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Posted: 10/11/2004 5:58:14 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 5:59:57 PM EDT
I've only heard good things about Llamas. I have HK, Colt, and Kimber .45's, so I can't give you a hands on opinion.
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 6:02:45 PM EDT
good and cheap. Kinda like the Star model B. Ugly butt it works
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 6:06:35 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 6:09:50 PM EDT
quick before its too late save your soul

prepair a burnt offering to lord Browning and beg for forgivness.

Link Posted: 10/11/2004 6:09:55 PM EDT
20yrs ago, the Llama .45s were ill-fitting rattling pieces'o'crap. I'm stunned to read otherwise.
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 6:10:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By HiramRanger:

OK... so am I going to 1911 hell? quote]

In a word? YES
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 6:12:16 PM EDT
moped rules apply
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 6:14:44 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 6:16:33 PM EDT
They are not bad pistols, but a little rough. They smooth out a little with use and a lot of folks like them. I had one in the 70's that was like the Government model and it shot pretty good.

I understand that most 1911 parts will not fit the Llama though.
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 6:16:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By rayra:
20yrs ago, the Llama .45s were ill-fitting rattling pieces'o'crap. I'm stunned to read otherwise.

+ 1. The only Llama I'd ever seen was about 20 years ago, rattled like a maraca and had minute-of-barn-door accuracy.
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 6:17:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
OK, joking aside... will it go bang when I need it to and not blow up in my hand?

Oh I wouldn't worry about that.

Your biggest concern is if it'll consistently go bang without stoppage.

Only one way to find out...
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 6:17:13 PM EDT
Dude, you got a new gun?

Link Posted: 10/11/2004 6:20:33 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 6:20:54 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 7:03:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
Originally Posted By HiramRanger:

OK... so am I going to 1911 hell? quote]

In a word? YES

+1 without the nice smiley

Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:29:01 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:34:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/12/2004 7:35:53 AM EDT by GonzoAR15-1]
For what its worth, I picked up a well abused LLAMA MaxI (full size) 1911 clone and refinished it. I got the gun for $80 so, yeah, it was a deal. Manufacture date of 1998 according to the serial number.

Frankly, I think LLAMA worked out the kinks. My gun has shot EVERYTHING I've fed to it, even lead SWC rounds. And its shooting 3 inch groups (better if I concentrate) at 15 - 20 yards. Its been a great little workhorse, and for the money, I can't see how I could have gone wrong.

For the trivial minded among us, LLAMA has a firing pin lock safety, but doesn't actuate it by way of the trigger as the Colt Series 80 guns do. Rather, the LLAMA version uses the grip safety to unlock the firing pin. Bottom line, if you've "gripped" the pistol you're both unblocking the trigger itself (the traditional grip safety), AND undoing the firing pin safety.

Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:36:23 AM EDT
No pics?
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:57:16 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 8:08:09 AM EDT
The late models are not bad pieces. I wouldn't put any serious money into it as it will not be valued as anything more than a Llama. Out of the three I have had the first and last were Mini-max's in 9mm and 45 ACP. Both of those were great shooters. The other was one of the old fullsized CE variants, and it was a rattle-trap jam-o-matic piece of crap. I like the mini-max.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 8:13:40 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 8:20:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/12/2004 8:22:16 AM EDT by HardShell]
HR, FWIW I've got a Llama "MiniMax II" - compact 10-round double-stack, about the size of a Para P-12. I've never been able to get it to run reliably with anything but ball ammo, but it does fine with ball. The more I shot it, the better it got. It has served me as a "glove box gun" in the past.

EAT: It was $208 NIB, wholesale, delivered (a few years ago)
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 10:13:29 AM EDT
yep, you are going to hell. sure 'nuf.

Link Posted: 10/12/2004 10:15:57 AM EDT

Don't they make the "Jam-o-Matic"?
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 11:32:25 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 11:37:27 AM EDT
I had a .380 Llama several years ago, I never had any problems with it at all..........
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 11:44:10 AM EDT
I know a guy that has a older Llama 45., The finish sucks, the sights suck, but the gun is decent. I have never seen it jam, and it is accurate enough. He has put alot of rounds through it and he has no complants. The only thing I noticed about it is that the slide and reciever are a bit loose. (Which can be a good and a bad thing)

I would say that they are worth the price, but they probably have a crumy repair policy and won't last as long as some of thier competitors. (But that last part is strictly theory)

Link Posted: 10/12/2004 11:45:19 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 12:10:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
I have no intention of putting any money into it... well other than some decent mags maybe as that seems to be a problem for some folks. Just want an inexpensive piece to keep in the car.

Get a used S&W .38 for in the car or something better if you can afford it. Think about it: You are putting a gun in your car "just in case" something happens. IF that happens, wouldn't you rather have a handgun you know is going to fire versus one that has a checkered reputation? A Llama is fine to play around with, but if your life is on the line?
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 12:15:50 PM EDT
Well, I have both the full size Llama Maxi-1, and the matching Firestorm .45 Gov't, and they both have run without any FTF /FTE's. But I've only shot SA surplus FMJ.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 12:35:47 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 12:37:03 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 12:39:33 PM EDT
The question is not whether you are going to hell.

Its whether you are going to the morgue with a jammed firearm in your fist.

Link Posted: 10/12/2004 12:40:16 PM EDT
Hey, you're most welcome. Incidentally, my name has nothing to do with the pistol.

I think you ought to create an account by that name.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 12:43:56 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 4:33:44 PM EDT
See my last post. My Mini-Max experiences were great ones. Two flawless functioning autos, one in 9mm and one in 45ACP.

The older CE and some of the DUOTONE models were problematic, but later full sized units seemed to have had these bugs worked out for the most part.

The 380 autos seem to all have a magical degree of reliability. Never heard any complaints about them. I did work up a full sized Llama for a friend, came out pretty good. Just like working on a 1911.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 4:36:18 PM EDT
My FFL buddy has had a Lhama for years, and he says it will eat anything. Zero malfunctios.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 4:39:05 PM EDT
For $175, why not? As long as it is reliable, it's still a .45 and should be good (stopping power wise) with ball ammo.

If you have any issues with it... just trade it in. What could ya lose? $25?

- BG
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 5:05:23 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 6:09:03 PM EDT
If nothing else its good trading stock. It looks like just what I've been looking for for a truck gun, right price too. If its reliable, it looks like a sweet deal!
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 6:18:11 PM EDT
<-------------And for my 1000th post. I don't like Llamas they stink and they will spit on you.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 6:22:33 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 6:39:48 PM EDT
Ok. I think that Llamas are un-1911 enough that you won't end up in 1911 hell. Having said that I don't think I would buy one. It would be like somebody saying they can get a great deal on a Lorcin. Sorry, You asked.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 6:41:51 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 6:44:31 PM EDT
I looked at some at a gunshow once and they did not impress me enough to warrant my money. If you want to send me some I will purchase one and check it out for you.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 6:45:09 PM EDT
I forgot almost no parts interchange.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 6:48:02 PM EDT
And heres a link to some discussion on them. ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=36&t=10799
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 6:52:16 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:01:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:

Originally Posted By pale_pony:

Don't they make the "Jam-o-Matic"?

Do you have personal experience concerning this or just offering conjecture? I would like to hear from thoise who have owned them, used them extensively, sold them in their shops and have either had to service them or return them... I'm looking for facts.

I owned one for awhile iit went bang everytime was a decent little gun only thing i caution you about is watch out for the brass flying out had one hit me in my nose once.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:03:39 PM EDT
If you feel like taking a chance on it. Buy it and about 300 rounds of ammo. Take it and shoot those 300 rounds thru it without cleaning it. Stop about every 50 rounds and put one drop of lube on the each slide rail. If it fires those 300 rounds without a hitch clean it and put it in your car. If it don't ...
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