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Posted: 9/15/2009 4:27:46 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/15/2009 4:40:44 AM EST by raven]
Whatever happened to solidarity? I guess in the era of 'hope and change' it's every man for himself and the real winners are the CEOs and corporate fat cats


Boeing Co. employees vote to disband union
Monday, September 14, 2009

Boeing Co. workers in North Charleston voted overwhelmingly to disband their union in a move that could give the region an edge in landing an aircraft plant the company is looking to build.

Of the 267 ballots cast, 199 were in favor of decertifying the election that made them members of the International Association of Machinists. The company was pleased; the union was disappointed.

The local plant makes rear fuselage sections for Boeing's 787, a new fast-selling lightweight jet that has been delayed by snags with suppliers and an eight-week strike last year by the IAM.

Boeing has said it would consider North Charleston and its manufacturing hub outside Seattle, among other sites, for a new 787 assembly plant. A decision is expected by the end of the year.


http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2009/sep/14/boeing-co-employees-vote-to-disband-union/
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 4:30:46 AM EST
Excellent.
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 4:30:52 AM EST
Smart move. These workers want to keep their jobs, and know the plant is likelier to be shut down in the future if unionized.
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 4:31:41 AM EST
Good.
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 4:33:26 AM EST
good for them
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 4:36:33 AM EST
Good for them.
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 4:40:17 AM EST
Wow, signs of hope all over. Now if we could stop union officials from writing $787 Billion legislation...
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 4:45:09 AM EST
They are just trying to compete with the Chinese. Really I suspect someone detected a change in the wind, specifically a change to China.
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 4:46:19 AM EST

Originally Posted By raven:
Whatever happened to solidarity? I guess in the era of 'hope and change' it's every man for himself and the real winners are the CEOs and corporate fat cats




Link Posted: 9/15/2009 4:46:20 AM EST
Good for them. They are no longer only as good as the least among them.

In 1986 the union I was in voted to decert. I was a chief steward at the time & fully expected to be canned the next day. I wasn't and I'm still working for the same company. The propaganda I'd been fed all my life, growing up in a union household, was wrong.

As it turns out, life got ALOT better without the union. I no longer had to represent IDIOTS who all too often were the cause of their own problems.

Surprisingly, no former union member was fired by the company. The idiots eventually all left of their own accord.
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 4:46:59 AM EST
It's about fuckin time
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 4:49:32 AM EST
Boeing employees actually get it.
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 4:52:42 AM EST
Good for them.

Screw the unions.

HH
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 4:53:14 AM EST
Good for them! Of course the Boeing employees in WA will stay unionized to the end, even after they figure out that it doesn't take a rocket scientist to bolt a few fuselage sections together. They don't build 787s anyway, they come in a kit, some assembly required.
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 4:55:26 AM EST
Originally Posted By Chairborne:
Good for them! Of course the Boeing employees in WA will stay unionized to the end, even after they figure out that it doesn't take a rocket scientist to bolt a few fuselage sections together. They don't build 787s anyway, they come in a kit, some assembly required.


And that factory will 'vanish' over the years.... maybe months in this economy
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 4:58:23 AM EST
lol.

that's a gem. Good for the employees.
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 5:08:07 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/15/2009 5:08:36 AM EST by Imbhindu]
Originally Posted By raven:

Boeing has said it would consider North Charleston and its manufacturing hub outside Seattle, among other sites, for a new 787 assembly plant. A decision is expected by the end of the year.




I hope Boeing gives the 787 assembly line to the North Charleston outfit. It would definitely send a message to the unions....................

Link Posted: 9/15/2009 5:12:17 AM EST
Good for them. People are waking up.
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 5:14:27 AM EST
Great news for Boeing. Now if only Lockheed employees would do the same (would definitely make my Dad happy).
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 5:14:35 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 5:16:05 AM EST
Originally Posted By HoustonHusker:
Good for them.

Screw the unions.

HH


This!
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 5:20:49 AM EST
Originally Posted By SouthHoof:
Good for them. They are no longer only as good as the least among them.

In 1986 the union I was in voted to decert. I was a chief steward at the time & fully expected to be canned the next day. I wasn't and I'm still working for the same company. The propaganda I'd been fed all my life, growing up in a union household, was wrong.

As it turns out, life got ALOT better without the union. I no longer had to represent IDIOTS who all too often were the cause of their own problems.

Surprisingly, no former union member was fired by the company. The idiots eventually all left of their own accord.


Amazing, isn't it?
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 5:22:05 AM EST
Lot smarter then car workers or window workers.
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 5:24:10 AM EST
The caption is misleading, I was thinking the entire company, which will never happen
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 5:24:16 AM EST
cool, dump the unions
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 5:27:41 AM EST
Now. Fire the 68 socialists who voted to keep the union.
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 5:29:03 AM EST
Originally Posted By raven:...delayed by...an eight-week strike last year by the IAM.


OP, why exactly is getting rid of the union a bad thing?

Link Posted: 9/15/2009 5:31:32 AM EST
Good for Them............American workers are finally waking up!!!
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 5:41:30 AM EST
See where this goes.
The Unions sure as fuck didn't save my job and if these guys can keep their wages and benefits in this trying time so much the better for them and the company.
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 5:47:43 AM EST
Fuck Seattle, fuck the unions, and fuck...you know what follows.
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 5:49:13 AM EST
IMPOSSIBLE!!! everyone on arfcom knows you can't vote unions out!!! COMMUNISM plain and simple!!!

so much for this arfcom falacy!!!!!

i hope it works out and they get they're factory. i give a shit if its union or not... i just wants more americans to have good paying jobs with benefits.
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 5:49:37 AM EST
I wonder if that union is the same as the IAW used in WA?
As someone who used to work at Boeing,I can tell you the notion that all of the people there are union lovers is wrong. I was not the only one that saw the union as parasites and protectors of the worthless.
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 5:53:32 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/15/2009 5:55:15 AM EST by phatmax]
Originally Posted By winddummy82:
IMPOSSIBLE!!! everyone on arfcom knows you can't vote unions out!!! COMMUNISM plain and simple!!!

so much for this arfcom falacy!!!!!

i hope it works out and they get they're factory. i give a shit if its union or not... i just wants more americans to have good paying jobs with benefits.


I think this is a little different the the UAW voting to decert at Government motors.

I would be willing to bet there would be thinly veiled death threats against any member known to vote to disband the union. This is why they want to do that Card Check thing, so votes would be public knowledge, thus you know if you vote against the union, you are risking you and your family.
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 5:54:05 AM EST
Boeing has a substantial amount of losses stemming from Union strikes on their 10K from last year. That and the economic downturn certainly did not help them.

This isn't going to make Boeing sad.

It certainly doesn't make me sad.
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 5:55:53 AM EST
Whatever happened to solidarity? I guess in the era of 'hope and change' it's every man for himself and the real winners are the CEOs and corporate fat cats

We must be reading different news stories. The one I read the employees banded together to make a change that will make their plant more likely to get new work, less likely to get the ax, and pushed some fat cats that took a chunk of their pay every week out of power.
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 5:56:44 AM EST

Originally Posted By stangboy555:

Originally Posted By raven:
Whatever happened to solidarity? I guess in the era of 'hope and change' it's every man for himself and the real winners are the CEOs and corporate fat cats





I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic...
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 5:57:28 AM EST
wow now they will actually "make" money, instead of getting paid.
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 5:58:17 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/15/2009 6:00:04 AM EST by AeroE]
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 6:01:21 AM EST
Originally Posted By Soybomb:
Whatever happened to solidarity? I guess in the era of 'hope and change' it's every man for himself and the real winners are the CEOs and corporate fat cats

We must be reading different news stories. The one I read the employees banded together to make a change that will make their plant more likely to get new work, less likely to get the ax, and pushed some fat cats that took a chunk of their pay every week out of power.


Link Posted: 9/15/2009 6:02:45 AM EST
Good. Fuck unions.
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 6:07:36 AM EST
Originally Posted By phatmax:
Originally Posted By winddummy82:
IMPOSSIBLE!!! everyone on arfcom knows you can't vote unions out!!! COMMUNISM plain and simple!!!

so much for this arfcom falacy!!!!!

i hope it works out and they get they're factory. i give a shit if its union or not... i just wants more americans to have good paying jobs with benefits.


I think this is a little different the the UAW voting to decert at Government motors.

I would be willing to bet there would be thinly veiled death threats against any member known to vote to disband the union. This is why they want to do that Card Check thing, so votes would be public knowledge, thus you know if you vote against the union, you are risking you and your family.


yeah ok
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 6:11:19 AM EST
Originally Posted By oulufinn:
Now. Fire the 68 socialists who voted to keep the union.


No need to. They'll leave of their own accord quickly enough.
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 6:13:06 AM EST
Originally Posted By winddummy82:
Originally Posted By phatmax:
Originally Posted By winddummy82:
IMPOSSIBLE!!! everyone on arfcom knows you can't vote unions out!!! COMMUNISM plain and simple!!!

so much for this arfcom falacy!!!!!

i hope it works out and they get they're factory. i give a shit if its union or not... i just wants more americans to have good paying jobs with benefits.


I think this is a little different the the UAW voting to decert at Government motors.

I would be willing to bet there would be thinly veiled death threats against any member known to vote to disband the union. This is why they want to do that Card Check thing, so votes would be public knowledge, thus you know if you vote against the union, you are risking you and your family.


yeah ok



Gosh, I guess the unions have NEVER used threats and intimidation to maintain control over their "members"....who are more like slaves to do the bidding of the Union leadership.
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 6:15:57 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 6:18:07 AM EST
good less union dues going to those thugs
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 6:18:23 AM EST
But without the union they will be making 1 an hour and using childrens!!!
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 6:19:30 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 6:26:26 AM EST
Originally Posted By Regency:
Boeing employees actually get it.
http://i25.tinypic.com/70j2pc.jpg


That is a great picture. ANd LOL at the machinist union losing some dues. Guess they will have to jack up dues on the other suckers.
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 6:27:04 AM EST
Originally Posted By gotyoursix:
But without the union they will be making 1 an hour and using childrens!!!


OH NOES@ HURRY MESSIAH AND ILLEGALIZE THIS ANTI-HUMANZ EVIL BOMBER PEOPLE!

In the spirit of your joke, hilarity
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 6:27:35 AM EST
Originally Posted By Garand_Shooter:
Originally Posted By phatmax:
Originally Posted By winddummy82:
Originally Posted By phatmax:
Originally Posted By winddummy82:
IMPOSSIBLE!!! everyone on arfcom knows you can't vote unions out!!! COMMUNISM plain and simple!!!

so much for this arfcom falacy!!!!!

i hope it works out and they get they're factory. i give a shit if its union or not... i just wants more americans to have good paying jobs with benefits.


I think this is a little different the the UAW voting to decert at Government motors.

I would be willing to bet there would be thinly veiled death threats against any member known to vote to disband the union. This is why they want to do that Card Check thing, so votes would be public knowledge, thus you know if you vote against the union, you are risking you and your family.


yeah ok



Gosh, I guess the unions have NEVER used threats and intimidation to maintain control over their "members"....who are more like slaves to do the bidding of the Union leadership.


Winddummy himself has made the implied threats saying that I should come down to his union hall and tell them what I think and see what happens- it is in the archives. He knows good and well just how the racket works, but as long as he keeps getting his few extra $$$ he will defend them. Moneyy trumps integrity for these guys.

It is like the battered spouse with the black eye saying "But he says loves me (cares for the working man) and I don't have anywhere to go or have any money (I can't make it in the real world and free market)" as she keeps going back.


i have said come to a union meeting and try not taking your hat off or try not standing for the pledge of allegiance. (its in the archives) when we stand in silence for fallen soldiers try not standing then. yes we do have integrity.
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 6:29:45 AM EST

Originally Posted By raven:
Whatever happened to solidarity? I guess in the era of 'hope and change' it's every man for himself and the real winners are the CEOs and corporate fat cats


Oh man, you bought into that hook, line and sinker.

Are you one of those IBEW shit heads protesting outside of Whole Foods and harassing people for going to a non-union thug shop?
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