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Posted: 9/15/2009 7:31:35 AM EDT
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IMPOSSIBLE!!! everyone on arfcom knows you can't vote unions out!!! COMMUNISM plain and simple!!! so much for this arfcom falacy!!!!!   
i hope it works out and they get they're factory. i give a shit if its union or not... i just wants more americans to have good paying jobs with benefits. I think this is a little different the the UAW voting to decert at Government motors. I would be willing to bet there would be thinly veiled death threats against any member known to vote to disband the union. This is why they want to do that Card Check thing, so votes would be public knowledge, thus you know if you vote against the union, you are risking you and your family. yeah ok Gosh, I guess the unions have NEVER used threats and intimidation to maintain control over their "members"....who are more like slaves to do the bidding of the Union leadership. no union rep has ever tried to threaten or intimidate me. when will you learn violence is not the answer? since when do slaves make $40.77 and hour with full benefits? |
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Posted: 9/15/2009 7:32:33 AM EDT
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We kicked out our union 2 years ago. Now, we all had even raises, we get allowance for clothes, the company buys us boots twice a year, and we went back to seniority and qualifications for promotions. Life got better at our plant. The company always said that they went going to pay for the union and the money would come from us. I believe them now.
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Posted: 9/15/2009 7:33:45 AM EDT
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Boeing Co. employees vote to disband union Monday, September 14, 2009 Boeing Co. workers in North Charleston voted overwhelmingly to disband their union in a move that could give the region an edge in landing an aircraft plant the company is looking to build. WHOA! Unpossible! Unions are deterimental to competition?!?!?!? |
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Posted: 9/15/2009 7:38:09 AM EDT
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Quoted: Boeing Co. employees vote to disband union Monday, September 14, 2009 Boeing Co. workers in North Charleston voted overwhelmingly to disband their union in a move that could give the region an edge in landing an aircraft plant the company is looking to build. WHOA! Unpossible! Unions are deterimental to competition?!?!?!? Weird...next they'll find out being covered in leaches isn't conducive to winning marathons... |
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Posted: 9/15/2009 7:38:52 AM EDT
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We kicked out our union 2 years ago. Now, we all had even raises, we get allowance for clothes, the company buys us boots twice a year, and we went back to seniority and qualifications for promotions. Life got better at our plant. The company always said that they went going to pay for the union and the money would come from us. I believe them now. im glad its working out for you. |
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Posted: 9/15/2009 7:44:11 AM EDT
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Whatever happened to solidarity? I guess in the era of 'hope and change' it's every man for himself and the real winners are the CEOs and corporate fat cats  Who the fuck do you think gives you your job? At least some union members are getting smarter and realizing that unions decrease their chance of being employed in the near future. The most heart warming part of this story is that at least a few union thugs making 6 figures are now out of a job 
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Posted: 9/15/2009 7:45:54 AM EDT
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Boeing Co. workers in North Charleston voted overwhelmingly to disband their union in a move that could give the region an edge in landing an aircraft plant the company is looking to build. Imagine that. 
Of the 267 ballots cast, 199 were in favor of decertifying the election that made them members of the International Association of Machinists. The company was pleased; the union was disappointed.
More like pissed off to high heaven. Talk about being told to STFU and GTFO. 
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Posted: 9/15/2009 7:46:35 AM EDT
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Sigh..... God, I love that plane. 
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Posted: 9/15/2009 7:48:43 AM EDT
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Union might get voted out for the lift drivers at our job site soon.
 By the contract they signed, the boss wants to give them a raise but their contract, the way it was written, keeps that from happening until renewal. Talk about idiots... Teamsters suck.
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Posted: 9/15/2009 7:49:14 AM EDT
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Smart move. Hopefully Boeing will treat their employees good, watch their costs go down, get more contracts, and set the lead for other companies.
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Posted: 9/15/2009 7:50:44 AM EDT
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The employees made a simple decision: Who can do the most to help us keep our jobs?
A. Unions B. Employer Looks like they made the right decision. |
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Posted: 9/15/2009 7:55:35 AM EDT
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Smart move. These workers want to keep their jobs, and know the plant is likelier to be shut down in the future if unionized. Exactly. Very smart move. These workers voted to keep their jobs. |
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Posted: 9/15/2009 8:10:10 AM EDT
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The employees made a simple decision: Who can do the most to help us keep our jobs? A. Unions B. Employer Looks like they made the right decision. Yep. |
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Posted: 9/15/2009 8:15:12 AM EDT
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I belive that facility was just purchased by boeing from vought aircraft in dallas, after a brief shutdown.
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Posted: 9/15/2009 8:25:42 AM EDT
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IMPOSSIBLE!!! everyone on arfcom knows you can't vote unions out!!! COMMUNISM plain and simple!!! so much for this arfcom falacy!!!!!
i hope it works out and they get they're factory. i give a shit if its union or not... i just wants more americans to have good paying jobs with benefits. I think this is a little different the the UAW voting to decert at Government motors. I would be willing to bet there would be thinly veiled death threats against any member known to vote to disband the union. This is why they want to do that Card Check thing, so votes would be public knowledge, thus you know if you vote against the union, you are risking you and your family. yeah ok Gosh, I guess the unions have NEVER used threats and intimidation to maintain control over their "members"....who are more like slaves to do the bidding of the Union leadership. Winddummy himself has made the implied threats saying that I should come down to his union hall and tell them what I think and see what happens- it is in the archives. He knows good and well just how the racket works, but as long as he keeps getting his few extra $$$ he will defend them. Moneyy trumps integrity for these guys. It is like the battered spouse with the black eye saying "But he says loves me (cares for the working man) and I don't have anywhere to go or have any money (I can't make it in the real world and free market)" as she keeps going back. i have said come to a union meeting and try not taking your hat off or try not standing for the pledge of allegiance. (its in the archives) when we stand in silence for fallen soldiers try not standing then. yes we do have integrity. You are a liar, your quote said nothing about the Pledge or anything else patriotic, it was all about going to tell them their politics. you need to get a grip and counseling. LOTS OF COUNSELING. while your at it quit beating off while you type this crap!!! if it makes you feel like a man keep beating off to my union brothers and fellow socialist/ communist !!! if you want feel free to stop by a meeting and tell all the comrades that are honorably discharged veterans that they are communist / socialist pigs. I WILL BRING THE POPCORN!!! 1ST wednsday of every month. or maybe you would like to help us with the labor day float and parade? cmon theres free hotdogs and beer!!!
teamster city, suite 100 600 s. ashland avenue chicago, il. 60607 http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=804229&page=5 Once again, you have shown your dishonest colors by resorting to a lie and not owning up to your own words. No, you don't have integrity. You can't even be honest about your own words. |
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Posted: 9/15/2009 8:27:30 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/15/2009 8:29:41 AM EDT
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Good for them. They are no longer only as good as the least among them. In 1986 the union I was in voted to decert. I was a chief steward at the time & fully expected to be canned the next day. I wasn't and I'm still working for the same company. The propaganda I'd been fed all my life, growing up in a union household, was wrong. As it turns out, life got ALOT better without the union. I no longer had to represent IDIOTS who all too often were the cause of their own problems. Surprisingly, no former union member was fired by the company. The idiots eventually all left of their own accord. Hear here! 
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Posted: 9/15/2009 8:33:50 AM EDT
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Smart move. These workers want to keep their jobs, and know the plant is likelier to be shut down in the future if unionized. I concur!! I wish other industries/Companies would steer their employees to do the same, FUCK THE UNIONS! 
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Posted: 9/15/2009 8:36:19 AM EDT
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Boeing has said it would consider North Charleston and its manufacturing hub outside Seattle, among other sites, for a new 787 assembly plant. A decision is expected by the end of the year. I hope Boeing gives the 787 assembly line to the North Charleston outfit. It would definitely send a message to the unions.................... I think it's pretty likely that the idea has been fielded. 
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Posted: 9/15/2009 8:39:22 AM EDT
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Good for them.
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Posted: 9/15/2009 8:40:38 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Good for them! Of course the Boeing employees in WA will stay unionized to the end, even after they figure out that it doesn't take a rocket scientist to bolt a few fuselage sections together. They don't build 787s anyway, they come in a kit, some assembly required. And that factory will 'vanish' over the years.... maybe months in this economy This was discussed by the talking heads here during the strike, actually... What if Everett stayed Boeing HQ, but no airplanes were made there anymore? |
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Posted: 9/15/2009 8:41:00 AM EDT
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I'll bet this "change" was not one BHO anticipated!
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Posted: 9/15/2009 8:42:22 AM EDT
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Never ceases to amaze me how unions can badmouth the owners-and investors-of a company.
Guess what:  People start businesses to make money. Unions somehow think they're entitled to a greater majority of it
If unions are so great, so solid, why don't they take their OWN MONEY and start aircraft maufacturing plants, automobile assembly plants, etc. I'm sure that they and their....uh...reknowned "business partners" can come up with a few bucks. I guess it's easier to leech off other person(s) taking the risk of business, then bitch because they're not getting a big enough slice of the pie that doesn't belong to them anyway. Gamesniper (former IBEW local 550, NoCal, I've experienced the insanity) |
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Posted: 9/15/2009 8:43:43 AM EDT
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Always LULZ watching GS slap around a union shill.
Very well done. [golfclap] |
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Posted: 9/15/2009 8:44:40 AM EDT
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Good for them! Of course the Boeing employees in WA will stay unionized to the end, even after they figure out that it doesn't take a rocket scientist to bolt a few fuselage sections together. They don't build 787s anyway, they come in a kit, some assembly required. And that factory will 'vanish' over the years.... maybe months in this economy This was discussed by the talking heads here during the strike, actually... What if Everett stayed Boeing HQ, but no airplanes were made there anymore? I thought they technically moved their HQ to Illinois? |
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Posted: 9/15/2009 8:45:23 AM EDT
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Good for them! Of course the Boeing employees in WA will stay unionized to the end, even after they figure out that it doesn't take a rocket scientist to bolt a few fuselage sections together. They don't build 787s anyway, they come in a kit, some assembly required. And that factory will 'vanish' over the years.... maybe months in this economy This was discussed by the talking heads here during the strike, actually... What if Everett stayed Boeing HQ, but no airplanes were made there anymore? I've read recently they were considering relocating their HQ offshore to avoid our ridiculous taxes. |
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Posted: 9/15/2009 8:45:23 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/15/2009 8:49:11 AM EDT
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IMPOSSIBLE!!! everyone on arfcom knows you can't vote unions out!!! COMMUNISM plain and simple!!! so much for this arfcom falacy!!!!!
i hope it works out and they get they're factory. i give a shit if its union or not... i just wants more americans to have good paying jobs with benefits. I think this is a little different the the UAW voting to decert at Government motors. I would be willing to bet there would be thinly veiled death threats against any member known to vote to disband the union. This is why they want to do that Card Check thing, so votes would be public knowledge, thus you know if you vote against the union, you are risking you and your family. yeah ok Gosh, I guess the unions have NEVER used threats and intimidation to maintain control over their "members"....who are more like slaves to do the bidding of the Union leadership. Winddummy himself has made the implied threats saying that I should come down to his union hall and tell them what I think and see what happens- it is in the archives. He knows good and well just how the racket works, but as long as he keeps getting his few extra $$$ he will defend them. Moneyy trumps integrity for these guys. It is like the battered spouse with the black eye saying "But he says loves me (cares for the working man) and I don't have anywhere to go or have any money (I can't make it in the real world and free market)" as she keeps going back. i have said come to a union meeting and try not taking your hat off or try not standing for the pledge of allegiance. (its in the archives) when we stand in silence for fallen soldiers try not standing then. yes we do have integrity. You are a liar, your quote said nothing about the Pledge or anything else patriotic, it was all about going to tell them their politics. you need to get a grip and counseling. LOTS OF COUNSELING. while your at it quit beating off while you type this crap!!! if it makes you feel like a man keep beating off to my union brothers and fellow socialist/ communist !!! if you want feel free to stop by a meeting and tell all the comrades that are honorably discharged veterans that they are communist / socialist pigs. I WILL BRING THE POPCORN!!! 1ST wednsday of every month. or maybe you would like to help us with the labor day float and parade? cmon theres free hotdogs and beer!!!
teamster city, suite 100 600 s. ashland avenue chicago, il. 60607 http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=804229&page=5 Once again, you have shown your dishonest colors by resorting to a lie and not owning up to your own words. No, you don't have integrity. You can't even be honest about your own words. keep looking... paste only one side(the side that fits your agenda) yes those are my words. im sure if you keep looking you can qoute many things i have said. but those quotes don't fit your agenda today! stop by next months meeting. same place and same time. i will bring the popcorn! mother russias prooganda machine have nothing on you comrade garand_shooter
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Posted: 9/15/2009 8:49:20 AM EDT
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Whatever happened to solidarity? I guess in the era of 'hope and change' it's every man for himself and the real winners are the CEOs and corporate fat cats
Boeing Co. employees vote to disband union Monday, September 14, 2009 Boeing Co. workers in North Charleston voted overwhelmingly to disband their union in a move that could give the region an edge in landing an aircraft plant the company is looking to build. Of the 267 ballots cast, 199 were in favor of decertifying the election that made them members of the International Association of Machinists. The company was pleased; the union was disappointed. The local plant makes rear fuselage sections for Boeing's 787, a new fast-selling lightweight jet that has been delayed by snags with suppliers and an eight-week strike last year by the IAM. Boeing has said it would consider North Charleston and its manufacturing hub outside Seattle, among other sites, for a new 787 assembly plant. A decision is expected by the end of the year. http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2009/sep/14/boeing-co-employees-vote-to-disband-union/ Solidarity? HA, the only ones making out in unions are the leaders of the unions, who are for the most part rabble rousers. |
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Posted: 9/15/2009 8:56:32 AM EDT
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IMPOSSIBLE!!! everyone on arfcom knows you can't vote unions out!!! COMMUNISM plain and simple!!! so much for this arfcom falacy!!!!!
i hope it works out and they get they're factory. i give a shit if its union or not... i just wants more americans to have good paying jobs with benefits. I think this is a little different the the UAW voting to decert at Government motors. I would be willing to bet there would be thinly veiled death threats against any member known to vote to disband the union. This is why they want to do that Card Check thing, so votes would be public knowledge, thus you know if you vote against the union, you are risking you and your family. yeah ok Gosh, I guess the unions have NEVER used threats and intimidation to maintain control over their "members"....who are more like slaves to do the bidding of the Union leadership. Winddummy himself has made the implied threats saying that I should come down to his union hall and tell them what I think and see what happens- it is in the archives. He knows good and well just how the racket works, but as long as he keeps getting his few extra $$$ he will defend them. Moneyy trumps integrity for these guys. It is like the battered spouse with the black eye saying "But he says loves me (cares for the working man) and I don't have anywhere to go or have any money (I can't make it in the real world and free market)" as she keeps going back. i have said come to a union meeting and try not taking your hat off or try not standing for the pledge of allegiance. (its in the archives) when we stand in silence for fallen soldiers try not standing then. yes we do have integrity. You are a liar, your quote said nothing about the Pledge or anything else patriotic, it was all about going to tell them their politics. you need to get a grip and counseling. LOTS OF COUNSELING. while your at it quit beating off while you type this crap!!! if it makes you feel like a man keep beating off to my union brothers and fellow socialist/ communist !!! if you want feel free to stop by a meeting and tell all the comrades that are honorably discharged veterans that they are communist / socialist pigs. I WILL BRING THE POPCORN!!! 1ST wednsday of every month. or maybe you would like to help us with the labor day float and parade? cmon theres free hotdogs and beer!!!
teamster city, suite 100 600 s. ashland avenue chicago, il. 60607 http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=804229&page=5 Once again, you have shown your dishonest colors by resorting to a lie and not owning up to your own words. No, you don't have integrity. You can't even be honest about your own words. keep looking... paste only one side(the side that fits your agenda) yes those are my words. im sure if you keep looking you can qoute many things i have said. but those quotes don't fit your agenda today! stop by next months meeting. same place and same time. i will bring the popcorn! mother russias prooganda machine have nothing on you comrade garand_shooter If it was there, then why didn't you post it? Its your quote. Highlight, copy, paste. simple. |
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Posted: 9/15/2009 8:57:45 AM EDT
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IMPOSSIBLE!!! everyone on arfcom knows you can't vote unions out!!! COMMUNISM plain and simple!!! so much for this arfcom falacy!!!!!
i hope it works out and they get they're factory. i give a shit if its union or not... i just wants more americans to have good paying jobs with benefits. please quote this post comrade garand_shooter.... you seemed to have edited my post in this same thread.
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Posted: 9/15/2009 9:02:21 AM EDT
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We kicked out our union 2 years ago. Now, we all had even raises, we get allowance for clothes, the company buys us boots twice a year, and we went back to seniority and qualifications for promotions. Life got better at our plant. The company always said that they went going to pay for the union and the money would come from us. I believe them now. im glad its working out for you. please quote this post also comrade garand_shooter... but this time please don't edit this post like you did my other one!
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Posted: 9/15/2009 9:04:34 AM EDT
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IMPOSSIBLE!!! everyone on arfcom knows you can't vote unions out!!! COMMUNISM plain and simple!!! so much for this arfcom falacy!!!!! We now that union members can get rid of a union. You calling it a fallacy speaks volumes to the fact that you are either incapable of comprehending what you read here, or you just intentionally lie about it to misrepresnt things to try and make your invalid arguements seem valid. We just know that 99% are so gutless and incapable of making it in the world without a protection racket that they are scared to death to man up and get rid of the union or go work without it. Otherwise every union out there would have a decertification petition floating right now, even if it does not succeed. A real man or woman of courage and integrity with a real work ethic doesn't need a union to make it in the world. A person of integrity won't take money that comes from a government backed extortion scheme, no join an organization that does not reflect their views for a few more dollars. Congratulationsd to the Boeing workers for manning up and dumping the socialists. nice edit job comrade garand_shooter
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Posted: 9/15/2009 9:07:06 AM EDT
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So are they better techs now, or just better people?
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Posted: 9/15/2009 9:09:54 AM EDT
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Less money for the union bosses to give to the demoncrap scum. Good for all - well except the demoncrap scum.
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Posted: 9/15/2009 9:12:27 AM EDT
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IMPOSSIBLE!!! everyone on arfcom knows you can't vote unions out!!! COMMUNISM plain and simple!!! so much for this arfcom falacy!!!!! We now that union members can get rid of a union. You calling it a fallacy speaks volumes to the fact that you are either incapable of comprehending what you read here, or you just intentionally lie about it to misrepresnt things to try and make your invalid arguements seem valid. We just know that 99% are so gutless and incapable of making it in the world without a protection racket that they are scared to death to man up and get rid of the union or go work without it. Otherwise every union out there would have a decertification petition floating right now, even if it does not succeed. A real man or woman of courage and integrity with a real work ethic doesn't need a union to make it in the world. A person of integrity won't take money that comes from a government backed extortion scheme, no join an organization that does not reflect their views for a few more dollars. Congratulationsd to the Boeing workers for manning up and dumping the socialists. nice edit job comrade garand_shooter
He trimmed the post down to the parts relevant to what he was responding to. While I would have added a "..." where the irrelevant parts were, but no foul. |
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Posted: 9/15/2009 9:12:54 AM EDT
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I worked for Lockheed in the '80's, and had the displeasure of paying dues to the IAM-AW. What a bunch of shitbags.
First, the International Association of Machinists scrambled to add the "Aerospace Workers" onto the union. They added all of the "office & technical" positions too. For every machinist they represented, there were 5 paper pushers. Silly assed production planners made more than a journeyman machinist, and the only "tool" they owned was a company issued pencil. I caught a bit of heat for the following statement in a meeting: Nothing here matters. If it did we would not approach it this way. 1) It does not matter if you choose to show up for work or not. If the company fires you for poor attendance, the union will get you back in. 2) If you choose to show up, work is optional. Even people caught sleeping in the plant will get their job back. 3) If you choose to actually do some work, it does not matter if you do it well or poorly - you will get paid just the same. The IAM is causing the company to eat it's young. Senority is everything. Nobody can be promoted on merit, and the best & brightest leave because managment will not promote a loser that hired in a day before the good worker. Most of our apprentices leave within a year of completing the program. The talent runs out the door while we keep the dreck employed with the threat of crippling strikes. You idiots will eventually kill this company. –––––––– When the IAM came to represent the airline baggage handlers I was laughing my ass off. What part of being a machinist is tossing bags? Why are they not represented by the Teamsters? The IAM is only about money. They are crappy representation at best, and are only focused on more dues paying members. It looks like some actual rivet smackers just figured this out. Good for them. Lem |
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Posted: 9/15/2009 9:13:37 AM EDT
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IMPOSSIBLE!!! everyone on arfcom knows you can't vote unions out!!! COMMUNISM plain and simple!!! so much for this arfcom falacy!!!!! We now that union members can get rid of a union. You calling it a fallacy speaks volumes to the fact that you are either incapable of comprehending what you read here, or you just intentionally lie about it to misrepresnt things to try and make your invalid arguements seem valid. We just know that 99% are so gutless and incapable of making it in the world without a protection racket that they are scared to death to man up and get rid of the union or go work without it. Otherwise every union out there would have a decertification petition floating right now, even if it does not succeed. A real man or woman of courage and integrity with a real work ethic doesn't need a union to make it in the world. A person of integrity won't take money that comes from a government backed extortion scheme, no join an organization that does not reflect their views for a few more dollars. Congratulationsd to the Boeing workers for manning up and dumping the socialists. nice edit job comrade garand_shooter
I edited out the portion of your post I was not responding to. I did not change your words. That is common practice. You were caught in a lie about your words, and now you are grasping at straws that do not even exist to try and distract from that fact that you have been caught in a lie. |
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Posted: 9/15/2009 9:16:33 AM EDT
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IMPOSSIBLE!!! everyone on arfcom knows you can't vote unions out!!! COMMUNISM plain and simple!!! so much for this arfcom falacy!!!!!
i hope it works out and they get they're factory. i give a shit if its union or not... i just wants more americans to have good paying jobs with benefits. I think this is a little different the the UAW voting to decert at Government motors. I would be willing to bet there would be thinly veiled death threats against any member known to vote to disband the union. This is why they want to do that Card Check thing, so votes would be public knowledge, thus you know if you vote against the union, you are risking you and your family. yeah ok Gosh, I guess the unions have NEVER used threats and intimidation to maintain control over their "members"....who are more like slaves to do the bidding of the Union leadership. Winddummy himself has made the implied threats saying that I should come down to his union hall and tell them what I think and see what happens- it is in the archives. He knows good and well just how the racket works, but as long as he keeps getting his few extra $$$ he will defend them. Moneyy trumps integrity for these guys. It is like the battered spouse with the black eye saying "But he says loves me (cares for the working man) and I don't have anywhere to go or have any money (I can't make it in the real world and free market)" as she keeps going back. i have said come to a union meeting and try not taking your hat off or try not standing for the pledge of allegiance. (its in the archives) when we stand in silence for fallen soldiers try not standing then. yes we do have integrity. You are a liar, your quote said nothing about the Pledge or anything else patriotic, it was all about going to tell them their politics. you need to get a grip and counseling. LOTS OF COUNSELING. while your at it quit beating off while you type this crap!!! if it makes you feel like a man keep beating off to my union brothers and fellow socialist/ communist !!! if you want feel free to stop by a meeting and tell all the comrades that are honorably discharged veterans that they are communist / socialist pigs. I WILL BRING THE POPCORN!!! 1ST wednsday of every month. or maybe you would like to help us with the labor day float and parade? cmon theres free hotdogs and beer!!!
teamster city, suite 100 600 s. ashland avenue chicago, il. 60607 http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=804229&page=5 Once again, you have shown your dishonest colors by resorting to a lie and not owning up to your own words. No, you don't have integrity. You can't even be honest about your own words. keep looking... paste only one side(the side that fits your agenda) yes those are my words. im sure if you keep looking you can qoute many things i have said. but those quotes don't fit your agenda today! stop by next months meeting. same place and same time. i will bring the popcorn! mother russias prooganda machine have nothing on you comrade garand_shooter I posted the link to the source so everybody could go see the entire context, I am hiding nothing. Every side of that thread is right at that link for anyone to go see. You have been caught in a lie, pure and simple, and are now trying to muddy the waters to distract from it. Problem is, you are not even smart enbough to see that I included the link so everybody could go see all 8 pages of context- so you have no point. |
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Good for them! Of course the Boeing employees in WA will stay unionized to the end, even after they figure out that it doesn't take a rocket scientist to bolt a few fuselage sections together. They don't build 787s anyway, they come in a kit, some assembly required. And that factory will 'vanish' over the years.... maybe months in this economy This was discussed by the talking heads here during the strike, actually... What if Everett stayed Boeing HQ, but no airplanes were made there anymore? I've read recently they were considering relocating their HQ offshore to avoid our ridiculous taxes. Corporate HQ has been in Chicago for years. The company wants to be a global company. Moving corporate HQ to China will demonstrate that commitment. I have heard not one word denying the report about a move. |
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IMPOSSIBLE!!! everyone on arfcom knows you can't vote unions out!!! COMMUNISM plain and simple!!! so much for this arfcom falacy!!!!! We now that union members can get rid of a union. You calling it a fallacy speaks volumes to the fact that you are either incapable of comprehending what you read here, or you just intentionally lie about it to misrepresnt things to try and make your invalid arguements seem valid. We just know that 99% are so gutless and incapable of making it in the world without a protection racket that they are scared to death to man up and get rid of the union or go work without it. Otherwise every union out there would have a decertification petition floating right now, even if it does not succeed. A real man or woman of courage and integrity with a real work ethic doesn't need a union to make it in the world. A person of integrity won't take money that comes from a government backed extortion scheme, no join an organization that does not reflect their views for a few more dollars. Congratulationsd to the Boeing workers for manning up and dumping the socialists. nice edit job comrade garand_shooter
He trimmed the post down to the parts relevant to what he was responding to. While I would have added a "..." where the irrelevant parts were, but no foul. part of that i agree with. comrade garand_shooter posts only what fits his agenda. i have never denied post that and i won't start now. why doesn't comrade garand_shooter quote me on union members charity work i have posted about??? because it doesn't fit his propagande machine agenda! here is a thread i started... quote me from this thread comrade garand_shooter |
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Posted: 9/15/2009 9:27:46 AM EDT
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IMPOSSIBLE!!! everyone on arfcom knows you can't vote unions out!!! COMMUNISM plain and simple!!! so much for this arfcom falacy!!!!!
i hope it works out and they get they're factory. i give a shit if its union or not... i just wants more americans to have good paying jobs with benefits. I think this is a little different the the UAW voting to decert at Government motors. I would be willing to bet there would be thinly veiled death threats against any member known to vote to disband the union. This is why they want to do that Card Check thing, so votes would be public knowledge, thus you know if you vote against the union, you are risking you and your family. yeah ok Gosh, I guess the unions have NEVER used threats and intimidation to maintain control over their "members"....who are more like slaves to do the bidding of the Union leadership. no union rep has ever tried to threaten or intimidate me. when will you learn violence is not the answer? since when do slaves make $40.77 and hour with full benefits? So, do you have any idea what your job is worth in a non-union shop/state where free-market principles are allowed to work? I'll bet it's not $40.77/hour with full benefits which means that you're happily getting more than you're worth because some dickhead teamster went to the CEO of your company and said "pay my guys more than the market demands or we'll strike and screw your business into the ground". I'm sure you're real proud. |
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Posted: 9/15/2009 9:40:58 AM EDT
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IMPOSSIBLE!!! everyone on arfcom knows you can't vote unions out!!! COMMUNISM plain and simple!!! so much for this arfcom falacy!!!!! We now that union members can get rid of a union. You calling it a fallacy speaks volumes to the fact that you are either incapable of comprehending what you read here, or you just intentionally lie about it to misrepresnt things to try and make your invalid arguements seem valid. We just know that 99% are so gutless and incapable of making it in the world without a protection racket that they are scared to death to man up and get rid of the union or go work without it. Otherwise every union out there would have a decertification petition floating right now, even if it does not succeed. A real man or woman of courage and integrity with a real work ethic doesn't need a union to make it in the world. A person of integrity won't take money that comes from a government backed extortion scheme, no join an organization that does not reflect their views for a few more dollars. Congratulationsd to the Boeing workers for manning up and dumping the socialists. nice edit job comrade garand_shooter
He trimmed the post down to the parts relevant to what he was responding to. While I would have added a "..." where the irrelevant parts were, but no foul. part of that i agree with. comrade garand_shooter posts only what fits his agenda. i have never denied post that and i won't start now. why doesn't comrade garand_shooter quote me on union members charity work i have posted about??? because it doesn't fit his propagande machine agenda! here is a thread i started... quote me from this thread comrade garand_shooter Because the charity work is window dressing. You can do charity work without pushing Obama, anti-gun politicians, giving millions to leftists, etc. Doing some charity work does not erase the bad political side. This is just another attempt to distract from the bad political things with some window dressing. There are plenty of groups you can join that do even more charity work without being part of a huge leftist political machine. |
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Smart move. These workers want to keep their jobs, and know the plant is likelier to be shut down in the future if unionized. Plus those "union due dollars" will now go into their own pocket. I wonder what they will do with that extra money? They'll stimulate the economy with it, just like every American would do given more hard-earned dollars to keep for themselves instead of having it taken from them to feed socialist programs that promote sloth and waste. |
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IMPOSSIBLE!!! everyone on arfcom knows you can't vote unions out!!! COMMUNISM plain and simple!!! so much for this arfcom falacy!!!!! We now that union members can get rid of a union. You calling it a fallacy speaks volumes to the fact that you are either incapable of comprehending what you read here, or you just intentionally lie about it to misrepresnt things to try and make your invalid arguements seem valid. We just know that 99% are so gutless and incapable of making it in the world without a protection racket that they are scared to death to man up and get rid of the union or go work without it. Otherwise every union out there would have a decertification petition floating right now, even if it does not succeed. A real man or woman of courage and integrity with a real work ethic doesn't need a union to make it in the world. A person of integrity won't take money that comes from a government backed extortion scheme, no join an organization that does not reflect their views for a few more dollars. Congratulationsd to the Boeing workers for manning up and dumping the socialists. nice edit job comrade garand_shooter
He trimmed the post down to the parts relevant to what he was responding to. While I would have added a "..." where the irrelevant parts were, but no foul. part of that i agree with. comrade garand_shooter posts only what fits his agenda. i have never denied post that and i won't start now. why doesn't comrade garand_shooter quote me on union members charity work i have posted about??? because it doesn't fit his propagande machine agenda! here is a thread i started... quote me from this thread comrade garand_shooter Because the charity work is window dressing. You can do charity work without pushing Obama, anti-gun politicians, giving millions to leftists, etc. Doing some charity work does not erase the bad political side. This is just another attempt to distract from the bad political things with some window dressing. There are plenty of groups you can join that do even more charity work without being part of a huge leftist political machine. ahhhh dismissal for positive actions volunteering time at veterans homes is not dimissable in my opinion. many time the vfw grand poobah or a disabled vet themself calls one of us union members that also happens to be a veteran and thats how the word spreads that they need work done! oh sorry thats just window dressing for our leftist motives. you need to get over the fact that union members play a valuable role in this country. this is the same old tired bullshit you always come up with. comrade garand_shooter your not going to tell us where or when to work. how to spend the hard earned money we make or where or how we can volunteer our time and skills. just like union members can't tell you to stop peddling union made goods at your store!
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IMPOSSIBLE!!! everyone on arfcom knows you can't vote unions out!!! COMMUNISM plain and simple!!! so much for this arfcom falacy!!!!! We now that union members can get rid of a union. You calling it a fallacy speaks volumes to the fact that you are either incapable of comprehending what you read here, or you just intentionally lie about it to misrepresnt things to try and make your invalid arguements seem valid. We just know that 99% are so gutless and incapable of making it in the world without a protection racket that they are scared to death to man up and get rid of the union or go work without it. Otherwise every union out there would have a decertification petition floating right now, even if it does not succeed. A real man or woman of courage and integrity with a real work ethic doesn't need a union to make it in the world. A person of integrity won't take money that comes from a government backed extortion scheme, no join an organization that does not reflect their views for a few more dollars. Congratulationsd to the Boeing workers for manning up and dumping the socialists. nice edit job comrade garand_shooter
He trimmed the post down to the parts relevant to what he was responding to. While I would have added a "..." where the irrelevant parts were, but no foul. part of that i agree with. comrade garand_shooter posts only what fits his agenda. i have never denied post that and i won't start now. why doesn't comrade garand_shooter quote me on union members charity work i have posted about??? because it doesn't fit his propagande machine agenda! here is a thread i started... quote me from this thread comrade garand_shooter Because the charity work is window dressing. You can do charity work without pushing Obama, anti-gun politicians, giving millions to leftists, etc. Doing some charity work does not erase the bad political side. This is just another attempt to distract from the bad political things with some window dressing. There are plenty of groups you can join that do even more charity work without being part of a huge leftist political machine. ahhhh dismissal for positive actions volunteering time at veterans homes is not dimissable in my opinion. many time the vfw grand poobah or a disabled vet themself calls one of us union members that also happens to be a veteran and thats how the word spreads that they need work done! oh sorry thats just window dressing for our leftist motives. you need to get over the fact that union members play a valuable role in this country. this is the same old tired bullshit you always come up with. comrade garand_shooter your not going to tell us where or when to work. how to spend the hard earned money we make or where or how we can volunteer our time and skills. just like union members can't tell you to stop peddling union made goods at your store!
why don't you ask bryan anderson how he feels about union members volunteering their time and skill!!! im still waiting for you to quote me from this thread The KKK adopted a road for litter cleanup, doesn't change who they are though. |
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