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Posted: 10/7/2007 3:52:14 PM EST

October 5, 2007 -- NEXT week's debate outside Detroit is do or die hard for Fred Thompson.

Actively campaigning for almost a month now, the "Law & Order" and "Die Hard 2" actor still looks good on paper, but has yet to ignite the passions of conservative Republicans still searching for a savior to slay Hillary the Inevitable.

In national polls, Thompson is in a solid second place. But the 5-point bounce he got after officially entering the race shows signs of evaporating.

And front-runner Rudy Giuliani hasn't given up any yardage to Thompson.

As a fund-raiser, Thompson hasn't been terrible - at least for a Republican - but he's fallen far short of expectations.

The $8 million he raised in the third quarter is about the average for GOPers - behind Giuliani's $11 million but just $3 million ahead of Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, the Dennis Kucinich of the Republican Party.

Thompson also has failed to capture the choir vote - Christians crucial to the Republican primary and disenchanted with the other GOP candidates.

And he doesn't appear too eager to court the support of influential Christian leaders such as James Dobson, who has determined Thompson is not a Christian.

"I don't particularly care to have a conversation with him," Thompson said of Dobson. "If he wants to call up and apologize again, you know, it's OK with me. But I'm not going to dance to anybody's tune."

Then there are the persistently poor reviews from the trail and sheer oddness that has many early supporters privately worrying that "Fred has flopped."

During an interview on Fox News' "Hannity & Colmes" this week, Thompson and his wife, Jeri, talked about life on the campaign trail.

As they spoke from Dubuque, Iowa, their two young children clamored all over them, playing with unidentified objects, and singing children's songs into the tiny microphones clipped to their parents' lapels.

It may have been a genuine moment of a candidate and his family, but it wasn't very presidential.

And that's just what he has to present next week on the national stage. After dodging previous Republican debates, Thompson will appear Tuesday for the first time with fellow GOPers in a debate in Dearborn, Mich.

Either he delivers an Oscar-worthy performance and puts to rest the jitters of so many who want to see him succeed or he flops and falls off the stage for good.



Oh.. and fuck Dobson.
Link Posted: 10/7/2007 10:18:41 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/7/2007 10:20:12 PM EST by 71-Hour_Achmed]

Thompson also has failed to capture the choir vote - Christians crucial to the Republican primary and disenchanted with the other GOP candidates.

And he doesn't appear too eager to court the support of influential Christian leaders such as James Dobson, who has determined Thompson is not a Christian.

Hmm. Let's see.

The Christian Right refuses to support Giuliani because of his divorces and pro-gay-rights stance.
The Christian Right refuses to support Romney because he's a Mormon.
The Christian Right refuses to support Thompson because he doesn't go to church often enough.
The Christian Right refuses to support Paul because he smokes too much pot.
The Christian Right refuses to support Tancredo because he opposes illegal immigration.
The Christian Right refuses to support Hunter because he's not cool enough.
The Christian Right refuses to support Obama because his father was a Muslim.
The Christian Right refuses to support Clinton because she had a sex change.

Sounds to me like there's a problem here, and it isn't with the candidates.
Link Posted: 10/7/2007 10:23:45 PM EST
Dosent fucking matter Ron Paul lets me suck his dick so im voting for him.
Link Posted: 10/7/2007 10:37:43 PM EST

Originally Posted By justinwb:
Dosent fucking matter Ron Paul lets me suck his dick so im voting for him.

This is how you let me know you left me?!?!?!111!
Link Posted: 10/7/2007 10:38:40 PM EST

Originally Posted By justinwb:
Dosent fucking matter Ron Paul lets me suck his dick so im voting for him.


Hold your tongue while adults are talking.

Fred may not have flash, but he doesn't need to, to get my vote. I wish that were true for the rest of the country.
Link Posted: 10/7/2007 10:41:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By justinwb:
Dosent fucking matter Ron Paul lets me suck his dick so im voting for him.



Ahhhhhhhhhhh weak
Link Posted: 10/7/2007 10:42:28 PM EST

Originally Posted By 71-Hour_Achmed:

Thompson also has failed to capture the choir vote - Christians crucial to the Republican primary and disenchanted with the other GOP candidates.

And he doesn't appear too eager to court the support of influential Christian leaders such as James Dobson, who has determined Thompson is not a Christian.

Hmm. Let's see.

The Christian Right refuses to support Giuliani because of his divorces and pro-gay-rights stance.
The Christian Right refuses to support Romney because he's a Mormon.
The Christian Right refuses to support Thompson because he doesn't go to church often enough.
The Christian Right refuses to support Paul because he smokes too much pot.
The Christian Right refuses to support Tancredo because he opposes illegal immigration.
The Christian Right refuses to support Hunter because he's not cool enough.
The Christian Right refuses to support Obama because his father was a Muslim.
The Christian Right refuses to support Clinton because she had a sex change.

Sounds to me like there's a problem here, and it isn't with the candidates.


Not that my thinking is exclusively shaped by what James Dobson has to say about politics, but the problem the "Christian Right" has with the candidates is that they are not identifiably Christian.

Anyway, it's not Dobson who has "determined" that Thompson is not a Christian, it's Thompson. Simply attending some church and making some glad handed statement about their "belief in a Supreme Being" don't qualify. It has a whole lot more to do with how you live.
Link Posted: 10/7/2007 10:44:21 PM EST

Originally Posted By BulletBait:

Originally Posted By justinwb:
Dosent fucking matter Ron Paul lets me suck his dick so im voting for him.

This is how you let me know you left me?!?!?!111!


ROFL
Link Posted: 10/7/2007 10:44:49 PM EST

Originally Posted By MMcCall:

Originally Posted By justinwb:
Dosent fucking matter Ron Paul lets me suck his dick so im voting for him.


Hold your tongue while adults are talking.

Fred may not have flash, but he doesn't need to, to get my vote. I wish that were true for the rest of the country.

Nice try at that weak childish attack, last time I checked my ID I am an adult. Oh and Fred has my vote
Link Posted: 10/7/2007 10:45:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By BulletBait:

Originally Posted By justinwb:
Dosent fucking matter Ron Paul lets me suck his dick so im voting for him.

This is how you let me know you left me?!?!?!111!

Sorry man, Ron says I make him feel like Larry Craig
Link Posted: 10/7/2007 11:00:00 PM EST

Originally Posted By justinwb:

Originally Posted By BulletBait:

Originally Posted By justinwb:
Dosent fucking matter Ron Paul lets me suck his dick so im voting for him.

This is how you let me know you left me?!?!?!111!

Sorry man, Ron says I make him feel like Larry Craig


Damn, wish I whispered that
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 3:32:45 AM EST

Originally Posted By ziarifleman:
Anyway, it's not Dobson who has "determined" that Thompson is not a Christian, it's Thompson. Simply attending some church and making some glad handed statement about their "belief in a Supreme Being" don't qualify. It has a whole lot more to do with how you live.


And someone else doesn't have the right to decide if I am Christian or not.

Thats between me and God, not between me and 'man'.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 3:45:41 AM EST

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:

Originally Posted By ziarifleman:
Anyway, it's not Dobson who has "determined" that Thompson is not a Christian, it's Thompson. Simply attending some church and making some glad handed statement about their "belief in a Supreme Being" don't qualify. It has a whole lot more to do with how you live.


And someone else doesn't have the right to decide if I am Christian or not.

Thats between me and God, not between me and 'man'.


Well, yeah. But this is the religious (far, in this case) right that charged to the defense of Ted Haggard when he was caught doing meth off a male prostitute's ass but gnashed their teeth when it was unveiled that Mother Teresa questioned her faith.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 3:46:29 AM EST

Originally Posted By JonasWright:

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:

Originally Posted By ziarifleman:
Anyway, it's not Dobson who has "determined" that Thompson is not a Christian, it's Thompson. Simply attending some church and making some glad handed statement about their "belief in a Supreme Being" don't qualify. It has a whole lot more to do with how you live.


And someone else doesn't have the right to decide if I am Christian or not.

Thats between me and God, not between me and 'man'.


Well, yeah. But this is the religious (far, in this case) right that charged to the defense of Ted Haggard when he was caught doing meth off a male prostitute's ass but gnashed their teeth when it was unveiled that Mother Teresa questioned her faith.


Which is why the religious right needs to get the fuck outa the party.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 3:55:10 AM EST

Originally Posted By ziarifleman:

Originally Posted By 71-Hour_Achmed:

Thompson also has failed to capture the choir vote - Christians crucial to the Republican primary and disenchanted with the other GOP candidates.

And he doesn't appear too eager to court the support of influential Christian leaders such as James Dobson, who has determined Thompson is not a Christian.

Hmm. Let's see.

The Christian Right refuses to support Giuliani because of his divorces and pro-gay-rights stance.
The Christian Right refuses to support Romney because he's a Mormon.
The Christian Right refuses to support Thompson because he doesn't go to church often enough.
The Christian Right refuses to support Paul because he smokes too much pot.
The Christian Right refuses to support Tancredo because he opposes illegal immigration.
The Christian Right refuses to support Hunter because he's not cool enough.
The Christian Right refuses to support Obama because his father was a Muslim.
The Christian Right refuses to support Clinton because she had a sex change.

Sounds to me like there's a problem here, and it isn't with the candidates.


Not that my thinking is exclusively shaped by what James Dobson has to say about politics, but the problem the "Christian Right" has with the candidates is that they are not identifiably Christian.

Anyway, it's not Dobson who has "determined" that Thompson is not a Christian, it's Thompson. Simply attending some church and making some glad handed statement about their "belief in a Supreme Being" don't qualify. It has a whole lot more to do with how you live.


And once again, as long as you live a morally significant life, WHO FUCKING CARES THAT YOU WALK INTO A CHURCH ONE DAY A WEEK?

Bible thumping idiots will only give Hitlery the election unless they get on board with who the candidate are and not who they wish them to be.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 3:58:58 AM EST
Actually, Dobson never said that Thompson wasn't a Christian. He said very clearly, that deciding who was and who was not a Christian was God's call, not his. He did state that the way Thompson lived his life didn't follow Christian teachings, but his relationship with God was between he and God.

From what I've seen, the "Christian Right" doesn't support Giuliani or Romney because their record doesn't show they can be trusted to be conservative if they get into the White House. In my opinion, Giuliani especially. He says he is pro-gun now, but readily admits, and is proud of the result, that he cracked down on guns in NY in a manner that stomped on the Constitution. His excuse is that it needed to be done to clean up NY City. To me, that means that he may say he is pro-gun now, but if an event occurs and he decides it is necessary to ban/confiscate/restrict guns, he'll do it, whether it is constitutional or not. I'm not Mormon, but I don't care if Romney is Mormon or not. I don't agree with the religion, but as a group, they are conservative and we share most of the same values. Romney's problem is that he is only now portraying himself as a conservative and it doesn't square with his past actions. He isn't a conservative.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 4:00:24 AM EST
What rag is this opinion piece from?
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 4:01:16 AM EST

Originally Posted By GeorgeInNePa:
What rag is this opinion piece from?


NY Post.


www.nypost.com/seven/10052007/news/columnists/next_debate__is_make_or__break.htm
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 4:01:55 AM EST

Originally Posted By 71-Hour_Achmed:

Thompson also has failed to capture the choir vote - Christians crucial to the Republican primary and disenchanted with the other GOP candidates.

And he doesn't appear too eager to court the support of influential Christian leaders such as James Dobson, who has determined Thompson is not a Christian.

Hmm. Let's see.

The Christian Right refuses to support Giuliani because of his divorces and pro-gay-rights stance.
The Christian Right refuses to support Romney because he's a Mormon.
The Christian Right refuses to support Thompson because he doesn't go to church often enough.
The Christian Right refuses to support Paul because he smokes too much pot.
The Christian Right refuses to support Tancredo because he opposes illegal immigration.
The Christian Right refuses to support Hunter because he's not cool enough.
The Christian Right refuses to support Obama because his father was a Muslim.
The Christian Right refuses to support Clinton because she had a sex change.

Sounds to me like there's a problem here, and it isn't with the candidates.


WTF Over? Conservative Christians are NOT for illegal immigration. Liberal Christians (read; democrats) are.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 4:12:06 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/8/2007 4:12:39 AM EST by VTHOKIESHOOTER]
Going to church and proclaiming yourself as a Christian means nothing. There are plenty of assholes that do as much. Similarly, just because you aren't a Christian or go to church regularly doesn't mean you are lying, nasty bad person either.

Dobson and his followers are idiots.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 4:14:39 AM EST

October 5, 2007 -- NEXT week's debate outside Detroit is do or die hard for Fred Thompson.

James Dobson, who has determined Thompson is not a Christian.



I've shot with Dobson's son. Nice enough guy.

But James Dobson, his dad, suffers from a severely over-inflated ego.

Who the fuck is he to determine whether or not anyone is a Christian!

John
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 4:15:23 AM EST
To hell with Thompson. I'm sick of globalists.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 4:17:41 AM EST
know I don't give a damn about what James Dobson says. If he is the paragon of Christianity then I'm switching to Mormon or Islam or no religion at all.

Dobson and his bunch of crazys are right up there with that idiot from Kansas.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 4:18:53 AM EST
You don't have to get very far right on the Christian scale for them to oppose any pro-choice candidate - that is a single deal breaker. It is pretty much like a candidate saying they are anti 2nd amendment - they will find no votes here.

Once you get past that, then you have 2 issues. 1) does the candidate espouse Christian values, and 2) is that candidate a Christian. On those two, the line will waver a bit. One church might be against illegal invasions, while the other would argue about the sanity of human beings - sometimes Christian values are not 100% resolute (I know a lot of "Christians" that are in favor of the death penalty). Other Christians would not have a problem with a mormen president, as they would fairly closely (politically anyway) mirror conservative Christian values.

Personally I don't think many Christians would have a problem with Thompson. Hillary is pretty much the anti-christ, and Guiliane is only slightly better. The Mormon issues will be a big one - Catholic was a big one before, and Jews would also be an issue. On the other hand, I would doubt anyone outside of the RR would vote for a thumper so once again Fred is probably the best choice.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 4:20:32 AM EST
Well, DUH, the field is still too full.

Conservative minded Republicans are split amongst:

Thompson
Tancredo
Hunter
Huc­kabee
Paul

Moderate minded Republicans are split amongst:

Thompson
Romney
McCain
Guili­ani

Liberal minded Republicans are split amonst:

Romney
McCain
Guiliani

I­t's still WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY early; as time passes, the field will condense.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 4:20:47 AM EST
Everyone has the right to vote, everyone has a right to express their views...except those damn Christians.



You guys are pathetic sometimes.

Vote your vote and quit complaining about people who DON'T want a Hillary presidency.

Link Posted: 10/8/2007 4:28:47 AM EST

Originally Posted By ZitiForBreakfast:
Everyone has the right to vote, everyone has a right to express their views...except those damn Christians.



You guys are pathetic sometimes.

Vote your vote and quit complaining about people who DON'T want a Hillary presidency.

Dobson wants this nation under a Christian Theocracy. No thanks.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 4:29:43 AM EST
Hey,

I'm looking forward to the debate. I don't think it's "Make or Break" just yet.

That douche Chris Matthews is going to be one of the hosts.

Hopefully when he asks Fred an obviously left leaning biased question, Fred will say, "C'mon, what kind of BS question is that?"

It'd be nice to see someone call BS on those crap questions.

Kevin "Raise your hand and bark like a seal...."

Link Posted: 10/8/2007 4:34:29 AM EST

Originally Posted By BulletBait:

Originally Posted By justinwb:
Dosent fucking matter Ron Paul lets me suck his dick so im voting for him.

This is how you let me know you left me?!?!?!111!


Now that is about the funniest post that I have seen on this message board!
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 4:36:53 AM EST

Originally Posted By ziarifleman:
Anyway, it's not Dobson who has "determined" that Thompson is not a Christian, it's Thompson. Simply attending some church and making some glad handed statement about their "belief in a Supreme Being" don't qualify. It has a whole lot more to do with how you live.


I'll gladly take that over a president that claims God tells him what to do in his decisions to lead a country through some sort of divine providence.

Link Posted: 10/8/2007 4:43:18 AM EST
I would like to hear Thompson renounce his CFR membership. Saying he would work to deport every wetback and prosecute socialist mayors & governors for infringing on the Second Amendment would work in favor too. But he won't because he's a piece of globalist feces.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 4:46:37 AM EST

Originally Posted By massa:
I would like to hear Thompson renounce his CFR membership. Saying he would work to deport every wetback and prosecute socialist mayors & governors for infringing on the Second Amendment would work in favor too. But he won't because he's a piece of globalist feces.



Well....bye.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 5:10:12 AM EST
I wonder if Rush Limbaugh or Mark Levin can moderate a DNC debate

Democrats and the Liberals would be left shaking in the corner just knowing they have to face them.



Link Posted: 10/8/2007 5:12:50 AM EST

Originally Posted By ZitiForBreakfast:
I wonder if Rush Limbaugh or Mark Levin can moderate a DNC debate

Democrats and the Liberals would be left shaking in the corner just knowing they have to face them.



You know that would probably make for some incredible ratings. The network to land that debate would clean house on advertising.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 5:18:46 AM EST
Repeat after me: Thompson will not be the nominee.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 5:25:34 AM EST

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
Repeat after me: Thompson will not be the nominee.
As much as I would like to see him be the nominee, if I had to bet, I would put money on Romney. He is strong in Iowa and NH and those usually set the tone.

Interesting times.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 5:25:51 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/8/2007 5:27:26 AM EST by ZitiForBreakfast]

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
Repeat after me: Thompson will not be the nominee.


I agree.

I haven't seen or heard him except with Hannity and I am spending less and less time listenting to him. I am tired of hearing Hannity talk with Rudy's penis in his mouth.


Link Posted: 10/8/2007 5:31:50 AM EST

Originally Posted By ZitiForBreakfast:

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
Repeat after me: Thompson will not be the nominee.


I agree.

I haven't seen or heard him except with Hannity and I am spending less and less time listenting to him. I am tired of hearing Hannity talk with Rudy's penis in his mouth.


Both local stations here have dropped Hannity's 3rd hour. None of his material seems like his and he is a broken record.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 5:42:14 AM EST

Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:

Originally Posted By ZitiForBreakfast:
Everyone has the right to vote, everyone has a right to express their views...except those damn Christians.



You guys are pathetic sometimes.

Vote your vote and quit complaining about people who DON'T want a Hillary presidency.

Dobson wants this nation under a Christian Theocracy. No thanks.



Do people actually believe that Christians are going to overthrow the government and toss out the constitution?

What exactly is the fear? Everyone is going to be rounded up and marched to church on Sundays? Anyone caught practicing witchcraft will be burned at the stake?
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 5:46:03 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 5:46:12 AM EST

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:

October 5, 2007 -- NEXT week's debate outside Detroit is do or die hard for Fred Thompson.

Actively campaigning for almost a month now, the "Law & Order" and "Die Hard 2" actor still looks good on paper, but has yet to ignite the passions of conservative Republicans still searching for a savior to slay Hillary the Inevitable.

In national polls, Thompson is in a solid second place. But the 5-point bounce he got after officially entering the race shows signs of evaporating.

And front-runner Rudy Giuliani hasn't given up any yardage to Thompson.

As a fund-raiser, Thompson hasn't been terrible - at least for a Republican - but he's fallen far short of expectations.

The $8 million he raised in the third quarter is about the average for GOPers - behind Giuliani's $11 million but just $3 million ahead of Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, the Dennis Kucinich of the Republican Party.

Thompson also has failed to capture the choir vote - Christians crucial to the Republican primary and disenchanted with the other GOP candidates.

And he doesn't appear too eager to court the support of influential Christian leaders such as James Dobson, who has determined Thompson is not a Christian.

"I don't particularly care to have a conversation with him," Thompson said of Dobson. "If he wants to call up and apologize again, you know, it's OK with me. But I'm not going to dance to anybody's tune."

Then there are the persistently poor reviews from the trail and sheer oddness that has many early supporters privately worrying that "Fred has flopped."

During an interview on Fox News' "Hannity & Colmes" this week, Thompson and his wife, Jeri, talked about life on the campaign trail.

As they spoke from Dubuque, Iowa, their two young children clamored all over them, playing with unidentified objects, and singing children's songs into the tiny microphones clipped to their parents' lapels.

It may have been a genuine moment of a candidate and his family, but it wasn't very presidential.

And that's just what he has to present next week on the national stage. After dodging previous Republican debates, Thompson will appear Tuesday for the first time with fellow GOPers in a debate in Dearborn, Mich.

Either he delivers an Oscar-worthy performance and puts to rest the jitters of so many who want to see him succeed or he flops and falls off the stage for good.



Oh.. and fuck Dobson.


Dobson is a psychologist, and has used his training well to make a bundle.

Link Posted: 10/8/2007 5:47:18 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 5:50:23 AM EST

Originally Posted By HeavyMetal:

Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
Repeat after me: Thompson will not be the nominee.
As much as I would like to see him be the nominee, if I had to bet, I would put money on Romney. He is strong in Iowa and NH and those usually set the tone.

Interesting times.


Did you see the latest Iowa polls? Fred is moving up on Romney and had knocked Gualani into third place.

It is a long time to the Iowa caucuses. If Fred keeps it up, he could easily win Iowa.
Yep I saw that. This month will be key for Fred. Something go consider and remember is how more often than not Senators loose Presidential elections while Governors win them. This isn't an endorcement of Romney, just pointing out historical trends.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 5:53:38 AM EST

Originally Posted By efpeter:

Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:

Originally Posted By ZitiForBreakfast:
Everyone has the right to vote, everyone has a right to express their views...except those damn Christians.



You guys are pathetic sometimes.

Vote your vote and quit complaining about people who DON'T want a Hillary presidency.

Dobson wants this nation under a Christian Theocracy. No thanks.



Do people actually believe that Christians are going to overthrow the government and toss out the constitution?

What exactly is the fear? Everyone is going to be rounded up and marched to church on Sundays? Anyone caught practicing witchcraft will be burned at the stake?
Now where did I say *all* Christians want a Theocracy? Some do and want laws made based on their view of the Bible. No thanks.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 6:01:29 AM EST

Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
Repeat after me: Thompson will not be the nominee.
As much as I would like to see him be the nominee, if I had to bet, I would put money on Romney. He is strong in Iowa and NH and those usually set the tone.

Interesting times.


I agree.

And honestly, I'd take Romney over Rudy. Romney may not have the most stellar record on major conservative issues, but at least he didn't actively campaign against us the way Rudy did. The picture of Rudy at the HCI podium next to Jim Brady comes to mind.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 6:08:14 AM EST

Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:

Originally Posted By efpeter:

Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:


Dobson wants this nation under a Christian Theocracy. No thanks.



Do people actually believe that Christians are going to overthrow the government and toss out the constitution?

What exactly is the fear? Everyone is going to be rounded up and marched to church on Sundays? Anyone caught practicing witchcraft will be burned at the stake?
Now where did I say *all* Christians want a Theocracy? Some do and want laws made based on their view of the Bible. No thanks.


I wasn't specifically addressing your statement. I just hear a lot about how Christians are going to mess everything up.

Maybe I am just ignorant. Are there really enough of these "radical Christians" that they pose a problem? Enough to seriously affect an election? What laws do they want to impose on non-Christians or people who aren't Christian enough?

BTW... I'm not trolling. I have just heard a lot of Christian bashing lately. As a Conservative and a Christian, I want to understand where it is coming from.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 6:11:05 AM EST

Originally Posted By jrkarp:

And honestly, I'd take Romney over Rudy. Romney may not have the most stellar record on major conservative issues, but at least he didn't actively campaign against us the way Rudy did. The picture of Rudy at the HCI podium next to Jim Brady comes to mind.


One word for you...

Massachusetts
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 6:16:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By ndolson:

Originally Posted By jrkarp:

And honestly, I'd take Romney over Rudy. Romney may not have the most stellar record on major conservative issues, but at least he didn't actively campaign against us the way Rudy did. The picture of Rudy at the HCI podium next to Jim Brady comes to mind.


One word for you...

MassTAXachusetts


Fixed...
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 6:18:56 AM EST
Just another hit piece on Thompson. After the debate it will be declared that Thompson "didn't do enough" to "salvage his ailing campaign". Just another day in smear media.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 6:26:40 AM EST

Originally Posted By massa:
To hell with Thompson. I'm sick of globalists.


All the heel-clicking & chanting 'there's no place like home' in the world....

WILL NOT MAKE THE REST OF THE WORLD GO AWAY...

So deal with it... People who think we can live in a vacuum, ignoring the ROW, are unfit to serve as President...
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 9:28:09 AM EST

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:

Originally Posted By ZitiForBreakfast:
Vote your vote and quit complaining about people who DON'T want a Hillary presidency.


I believe the 'C-Right' were inquiring about running a third party candidate.

What was that again about 'not wanting a Hillary presidency' ?

Yep:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071001/ap_po/conservatives_third_party_2&printer=1

Conservatives consider 3rd-party run

By RACHEL ZOLL, AP Religion Writer
Mon Oct 1, 5:01 PM ET

Some of the nation's most politically influential conservative Christians, alarmed by the prospect of a Republican presidential nominee who supports abortion rights, are considering backing a third-party candidate.

More than 40 Christian conservatives attended a meeting Saturday in Salt Lake City to discuss the possibility, and planned more gatherings on how they should move forward, according to Richard A. Viguerie, the direct-mail expert and longtime conservative activist.


Rudy Giuliani, who supports abortion rights and gay rights, leads in national polls of the Republican presidential candidates. Campaigning in New Jersey on Monday, Giuliani brushed aside talk of an upstart effort by religious conservatives.

"I'm working on one party right now - the Republican Party," Giuliani said. "I believe we are reaching out very, very well to Republicans. The emphasis is on fiscal conservatism, which brings Republicans together."

Other participants in the meeting included James Dobson, founder of the Focus on the Family evangelical ministry in Colorado Springs, Colo., and, according to Viguerie, Tony Perkins, head of the Family Research Council, a conservative policy group in Washington.

Dobson attended the meeting, but is not yet participating in any planning for a third party, said Gary Schneeberger, a spokesman for Focus on the Family Action. Dobson and others spoke out against the idea at the meeting, even though both major parties could nominate candidates who back abortion rights and other policies that conservative Christians oppose, Schneeberger said.

A spokesman for Perkins did not respond to requests for comment Monday.

Viguerie would not give specifics of the proposal or reveal additional names of participants, but said President Bush "would not have been elected in '04 without the people in that room."

"There is such jaundiced feelings about any promises or commitments from any Republican leaders," he said in a phone interview. "You could almost cut the anger and the frustration with a knife in that room it's so strong. Because they don't know what else to do, they're talking third party."

A spokesman for the Republican National Committee did not respond to a request for comment.

The participants were in Salt Lake City for a separate meeting of the secretive Council for National Policy, a group of conservative business, religious and political leaders that was co-founded years ago by Tim LaHaye, author of the "Left Behind" series of books. Vice President Dick Cheney flew into the city Friday to address the group, according to The Salt Lake Tribune.

Christian conservatives, who hold considerable sway in the Republican Party, have been deeply unhappy about the field of GOP presidential candidates.

Dobson has said he wouldn't support Giuliani, calling the former New York mayor an "unapologetic supporter of abortion on demand." Dobson has also rejected former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson as wrong on social issues, and wouldn't back John McCain because of the Arizona senator's opposition to a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage.

Viguerie said conservatives "are still open" to former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, but said, "we haven't seen anything that guarantees that he will hold to the positions that he's articulating." Romney has been questioned about his record on gay rights.

However, the proposal to consider a third-party candidate comes from anger that the Republicans whom Christians have helped elect for decades have failed to act on policy issues important to evangelicals on abortion, marriage and school prayer.

"Conservatives have been treated like a mistress as long as any of us can remember," Viguerie said. "They'll have lots of private meetings with us, tell us how much they appreciate it and how much they value us, but if you see me on the street please don't speak with me."

A third-party run would be a long shot, requiring millions of dollars and challenges to ballot access. Such a bid could prove disastrous for the GOP by splitting the vote.

Richard Land, head of the public policy arm of the Southern Baptist Convention, was not at the meeting. But he said no one floating the idea of a third party thinks there's much chance the candidate would win. He considers the proposal a reaction to "moguls of the Republican establishment" who think conservative Christians will support the GOP no matter what.

"A lot of them won't hold their nose and do it," Land said.

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Associated Press Writer Angela Delli Santi in Dennis Township, N.J., contributed to this report.
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