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Posted: 10/7/2007 4:52:14 PM EDT
Oh.. and fuck Dobson. |
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Hmm. Let's see. The Christian Right refuses to support Giuliani because of his divorces and pro-gay-rights stance. The Christian Right refuses to support Romney because he's a Mormon. The Christian Right refuses to support Thompson because he doesn't go to church often enough. The Christian Right refuses to support Paul because he smokes too much pot. The Christian Right refuses to support Tancredo because he opposes illegal immigration. The Christian Right refuses to support Hunter because he's not cool enough. The Christian Right refuses to support Obama because his father was a Muslim. The Christian Right refuses to support Clinton because she had a sex change. Sounds to me like there's a problem here, and it isn't with the candidates. |
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Dosent fucking matter Ron Paul lets me suck his dick so im voting for him.
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This is how you let me know you left me?!?!?!111! |
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Hold your tongue while adults are talking. Fred may not have flash, but he doesn't need to, to get my vote. I wish that were true for the rest of the country. |
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Ahhhhhhhhhhh weak |
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Not that my thinking is exclusively shaped by what James Dobson has to say about politics, but the problem the "Christian Right" has with the candidates is that they are not identifiably Christian. Anyway, it's not Dobson who has "determined" that Thompson is not a Christian, it's Thompson. Simply attending some church and making some glad handed statement about their "belief in a Supreme Being" don't qualify. It has a whole lot more to do with how you live. |
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ROFL |
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Nice try at that weak childish attack, last time I checked my ID I am an adult. Oh and Fred has my vote |
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Sorry man, Ron says I make him feel like Larry Craig |
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Damn, wish I whispered that |
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And someone else doesn't have the right to decide if I am Christian or not. Thats between me and God, not between me and 'man'. |
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Well, yeah. But this is the religious (far, in this case) right that charged to the defense of Ted Haggard when he was caught doing meth off a male prostitute's ass but gnashed their teeth when it was unveiled that Mother Teresa questioned her faith. |
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Which is why the religious right needs to get the fuck outa the party. |
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And once again, as long as you live a morally significant life, WHO FUCKING CARES THAT YOU WALK INTO A CHURCH ONE DAY A WEEK? Bible thumping idiots will only give Hitlery the election unless they get on board with who the candidate are and not who they wish them to be. |
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Actually, Dobson never said that Thompson wasn't a Christian. He said very clearly, that deciding who was and who was not a Christian was God's call, not his. He did state that the way Thompson lived his life didn't follow Christian teachings, but his relationship with God was between he and God.
From what I've seen, the "Christian Right" doesn't support Giuliani or Romney because their record doesn't show they can be trusted to be conservative if they get into the White House. In my opinion, Giuliani especially. He says he is pro-gun now, but readily admits, and is proud of the result, that he cracked down on guns in NY in a manner that stomped on the Constitution. His excuse is that it needed to be done to clean up NY City. To me, that means that he may say he is pro-gun now, but if an event occurs and he decides it is necessary to ban/confiscate/restrict guns, he'll do it, whether it is constitutional or not. I'm not Mormon, but I don't care if Romney is Mormon or not. I don't agree with the religion, but as a group, they are conservative and we share most of the same values. Romney's problem is that he is only now portraying himself as a conservative and it doesn't square with his past actions. He isn't a conservative. |
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NY Post. www.nypost.com/seven/10052007/news/columnists/next_debate__is_make_or__break.htm |
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WTF Over? Conservative Christians are NOT for illegal immigration. Liberal Christians (read; democrats) are. |
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Going to church and proclaiming yourself as a Christian means nothing. There are plenty of assholes that do as much. Similarly, just because you aren't a Christian or go to church regularly doesn't mean you are lying, nasty bad person either.
Dobson and his followers are idiots. |
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I've shot with Dobson's son. Nice enough guy. But James Dobson, his dad, suffers from a severely over-inflated ego. Who the fuck is he to determine whether or not anyone is a Christian! John |
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know I don't give a damn about what James Dobson says. If he is the paragon of Christianity then I'm switching to Mormon or Islam or no religion at all.
Dobson and his bunch of crazys are right up there with that idiot from Kansas. |
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You don't have to get very far right on the Christian scale for them to oppose any pro-choice candidate - that is a single deal breaker. It is pretty much like a candidate saying they are anti 2nd amendment - they will find no votes here.
Once you get past that, then you have 2 issues. 1) does the candidate espouse Christian values, and 2) is that candidate a Christian. On those two, the line will waver a bit. One church might be against illegal invasions, while the other would argue about the sanity of human beings - sometimes Christian values are not 100% resolute (I know a lot of "Christians" that are in favor of the death penalty). Other Christians would not have a problem with a mormen president, as they would fairly closely (politically anyway) mirror conservative Christian values. Personally I don't think many Christians would have a problem with Thompson. Hillary is pretty much the anti-christ, and Guiliane is only slightly better. The Mormon issues will be a big one - Catholic was a big one before, and Jews would also be an issue. On the other hand, I would doubt anyone outside of the RR would vote for a thumper so once again Fred is probably the best choice. |
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Well, DUH, the field is still too full.
Conservative minded Republicans are split amongst: Thompson Tancredo Hunter Huckabee Paul Moderate minded Republicans are split amongst: Thompson Romney McCain Guiliani Liberal minded Republicans are split amonst: Romney McCain Guiliani It's still WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY early; as time passes, the field will condense. |
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Everyone has the right to vote, everyone has a right to express their views...except those damn Christians.
You guys are pathetic sometimes. Vote your vote and quit complaining about people who DON'T want a Hillary presidency. |
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Hey,
I'm looking forward to the debate. I don't think it's "Make or Break" just yet. That douche Chris Matthews is going to be one of the hosts. Hopefully when he asks Fred an obviously left leaning biased question, Fred will say, "C'mon, what kind of BS question is that?" It'd be nice to see someone call BS on those crap questions. Kevin "Raise your hand and bark like a seal...." |
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Now that is about the funniest post that I have seen on this message board! |
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I'll gladly take that over a president that claims God tells him what to do in his decisions to lead a country through some sort of divine providence. |
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I would like to hear Thompson renounce his CFR membership. Saying he would work to deport every wetback and prosecute socialist mayors & governors for infringing on the Second Amendment would work in favor too. But he won't because he's a piece of globalist feces.
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Well....bye. |
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I wonder if Rush Limbaugh or Mark Levin can moderate a DNC debate
Democrats and the Liberals would be left shaking in the corner just knowing they have to face them. |
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Interesting times. |
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I agree. I haven't seen or heard him except with Hannity and I am spending less and less time listenting to him. I am tired of hearing Hannity talk with Rudy's penis in his mouth. |
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Do people actually believe that Christians are going to overthrow the government and toss out the constitution? What exactly is the fear? Everyone is going to be rounded up and marched to church on Sundays? Anyone caught practicing witchcraft will be burned at the stake? |
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Yep and Fred raised most of that in only one month. |
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Dobson is a psychologist, and has used his training well to make a bundle. |
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Did you see the latest Iowa polls? Fred is moving up on Romney and had knocked Gualani into third place. It is a long time to the Iowa caucuses. If Fred keeps it up, he could easily win Iowa. |
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I agree. And honestly, I'd take Romney over Rudy. Romney may not have the most stellar record on major conservative issues, but at least he didn't actively campaign against us the way Rudy did. The picture of Rudy at the HCI podium next to Jim Brady comes to mind. |
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I wasn't specifically addressing your statement. I just hear a lot about how Christians are going to mess everything up. Maybe I am just ignorant. Are there really enough of these "radical Christians" that they pose a problem? Enough to seriously affect an election? What laws do they want to impose on non-Christians or people who aren't Christian enough? BTW... I'm not trolling. I have just heard a lot of Christian bashing lately. As a Conservative and a Christian, I want to understand where it is coming from. |
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One word for you... Massachusetts |
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Fixed... |
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Just another hit piece on Thompson. After the debate it will be declared that Thompson "didn't do enough" to "salvage his ailing campaign". Just another day in smear media.
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All the heel-clicking & chanting 'there's no place like home' in the world.... WILL NOT MAKE THE REST OF THE WORLD GO AWAY... So deal with it... People who think we can live in a vacuum, ignoring the ROW, are unfit to serve as President... |
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Yep: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071001/ap_po/conservatives_third_party_2&printer=1
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