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Link Posted: 2/15/2024 1:52:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Magsz18:


Run gear, for enough time and you're bound to start hitting shit.

That top slider may get bumped.  It's a non issue.  Period.
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Oh okay, not as operator as you bro I guess.  "It's a non issue. Period."  Great logic.
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Link Posted: 2/15/2024 10:53:35 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident:


Oh okay, not as operator as you bro I guess.  "It's a non issue. Period."  Great logic.
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Immature comments like that are a waste of the pixels they're printed in.

Let me ask you this.  If you're running a Holosun Iris and your gear moves the slider.  What is going to happen?

I run a MAWL.  When entering into rooms, I use my B button if I have to illuminate a wide space.  This requires a conscious movement of my finger to activate the B Button, ie manipulation of controls.

If you're running an IRIS and entering into a room and you're going to want to collect more data via a wide spill, you're going to run the slider into its "wide position" presumably to the back of the unit prior to entering into the room/area.

Knowing the condition/status of your gear prior to utilizing it is part of knowing how to use your gear.

Provided the slider is firm to where it WONT move via gravity, it's location being susceptible to being knocked around by gear is negated by proper training and utilization of the tool.  Like I said in my original post, run enough gear for long enough and shit gets bumped, jostled and disturbed.

White/IR light ND's are more of a concern than a spill adjustment lever being moved by gear.
Link Posted: 2/16/2024 10:44:04 AM EDT
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These 2 units are on the opposite side of the LAM spectrum. The MAWL is no doubt better than anything Holosun will put out but you can buy 3-4 of the Holosun for 1 MAWL. With enough use the short comings that the IRIS might have can be over come.

These 2 products are made for different consumers.
Link Posted: 2/16/2024 6:43:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Magsz18:


Immature comments like that are a waste of the pixels they're printed in.

Let me ask you this.  If you're running a Holosun Iris and your gear moves the slider.  What is going to happen?

I run a MAWL.  When entering into rooms, I use my B button if I have to illuminate a wide space.  This requires a conscious movement of my finger to activate the B Button, ie manipulation of controls.

If you're running an IRIS and entering into a room and you're going to want to collect more data via a wide spill, you're going to run the slider into its "wide position" presumably to the back of the unit prior to entering into the room/area.

Knowing the condition/status of your gear prior to utilizing it is part of knowing how to use your gear.

Provided the slider is firm to where it WONT move via gravity, it's location being susceptible to being knocked around by gear is negated by proper training and utilization of the tool.  Like I said in my original post, run enough gear for long enough and shit gets bumped, jostled and disturbed.

White/IR light ND's are more of a concern than a spill adjustment lever being moved by gear.
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Certainly it would be better if it locked in in some sort of way where you leave it. Idk how it would work. Depress the slider to unlock, adjust, and then when you release it the slider would lock in on some teeth hidden under the track? Would not be hard to do.

The idea that your gear doing anything unexpected is just fine is absurd and should ridiculed or shamed. That's like not caring about if the buttons on your red dot are getting hit- eventually you're gonna raise your rifle to your eye and go "wtf this is was too bright/way too dim" and you're not gonna be able to aim.

"bUt i d0nT tHiNk iTs aN iSsUe jUsT cHecK yOUr geAr beFOrE yOu usE iT" ok sure, obviously you should be doing pre mission checks, but gear can get bumped, adjusted, etc... during an action, not just before or after the action. Making sure it won't happen, as much as possible, is reasonable and worthwhile. I can't believe that people really want to argue about that.

"Bro it's ok that your optic loses zero when it takes a hit just zero before your mission, non-issue"

Imagine if you had a white light that had unknown amounts of throw or spill at any given time, "oh non issue bro just adjust it" lmao

Seriously, if it were a white light we'd be demanding that there be some way to ensure the light was actually on the setting we left it on, but suddenly on a LAM it's "just don't worry about it bro"?
Link Posted: 2/16/2024 10:03:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By NewWind:



Certainly it would be better if it locked in in some sort of way where you leave it. Idk how it would work. Depress the slider to unlock, adjust, and then when you release it the slider would lock in on some teeth hidden under the track? Would not be hard to do.

The idea that your gear doing anything unexpected is just fine is absurd and should ridiculed or shamed. That's like not caring about if the buttons on your red dot are getting hit- eventually you're gonna raise your rifle to your eye and go "wtf this is was too bright/way too dim" and you're not gonna be able to aim.

"bUt i d0nT tHiNk iTs aN iSsUe jUsT cHecK yOUr geAr beFOrE yOu usE iT" ok sure, obviously you should be doing pre mission checks, but gear can get bumped, adjusted, etc... during an action, not just before or after the action. Making sure it won't happen, as much as possible, is reasonable and worthwhile. I can't believe that people really want to argue about that.

"Bro it's ok that your optic loses zero when it takes a hit just zero before your mission, non-issue"

Imagine if you had a white light that had unknown amounts of throw or spill at any given time, "oh non issue bro just adjust it" lmao

Seriously, if it were a white light we'd be demanding that there be some way to ensure the light was actually on the setting we left it on, but suddenly on a LAM it's "just don't worry about it bro"?
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I never said any of what you're talking about.

I'm not saying that it's ok to walk around like a slob with gear that doesn't work cohesively and creates issues.

I'm saying that no matter how well you set up your gear, murphy can and will get in your way.  Creating standard operating procedures to to get around murphy is how you win with your equipment.

"Ok, murphy fucked me, how do I get around that"?

Refer to my above post regarding verifying the status of your equipment prior to its use.

Weapon lights don't have spill adjustment.  That analogy doesn't hold water.

IF, the IRIS has say, a button on the slider track that you have to depress in order to move it, that would be a win.  Holosun, are you listening?

It is IMPOSSIBLE for kit to NOT interact with itself in undesirable ways.

Example:

You sling your rifle to use your hands.  Upon returning the rifle to whatever ready position you desire you realize your MAWL power adjustment switch was knocked from low, to medium.  Prior to entering into the structure you verify you're on the low power setting as you know you're going to want a wide spill for this particular entry and you don't need the power output of medium.  Prior to entering, you verify the condition of your tool you are about to use.  That seems like common sense, no?  It's what I do.  I'm also not kicking in doors in Afghanistan.  Perhaps a more simple interface with a PEQ15 is more desirable in that instance?

Do you really believe that its impossible for gear to interact with other equipment if its "set up properly"?  Serious question my good man.
Link Posted: 2/17/2024 1:08:34 PM EDT
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I had the Monopod of a 90mm Recoiless, react negatively with an MH-6 Pilot's bungee net behind the seats (were my 90 went while on the benches) at Zero Dark Thirty with no NODs - sh*t happens
Link Posted: 2/17/2024 10:07:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By NewWind:



Certainly it would be better if it locked in in some sort of way where you leave it. Idk how it would work. Depress the slider to unlock, adjust, and then when you release it the slider would lock in on some teeth hidden under the track? Would not be hard to do.

The idea that your gear doing anything unexpected is just fine is absurd and should ridiculed or shamed. That's like not caring about if the buttons on your red dot are getting hit- eventually you're gonna raise your rifle to your eye and go "wtf this is was too bright/way too dim" and you're not gonna be able to aim.

"bUt i d0nT tHiNk iTs aN iSsUe jUsT cHecK yOUr geAr beFOrE yOu usE iT" ok sure, obviously you should be doing pre mission checks, but gear can get bumped, adjusted, etc... during an action, not just before or after the action. Making sure it won't happen, as much as possible, is reasonable and worthwhile. I can't believe that people really want to argue about that.

"Bro it's ok that your optic loses zero when it takes a hit just zero before your mission, non-issue"

Imagine if you had a white light that had unknown amounts of throw or spill at any given time, "oh non issue bro just adjust it" lmao

Seriously, if it were a white light we'd be demanding that there be some way to ensure the light was actually on the setting we left it on, but suddenly on a LAM it's "just don't worry about it bro"?
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If your planning on putting this on an AR, before you even get to the accessories you should be aware of the fact the safety is pretty susceptible to being knocked off safe. Routinely checking the status of your critical equipment should be absolutely be a system 1 process.
Link Posted: 2/18/2024 5:34:11 PM EDT
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I honestly love this part.  The one where we devolve into discussions about who runs their gear harder while operating operationally with a budget chinese product that hasn't even come to market yet.  If you're tier 1, this product isn't for you.  Ping ping didn't even consider you while designing this or during R&D.

Link Posted: 2/18/2024 7:00:01 PM EDT
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I love to read comments from the Gatekeepers of NV/Thermal Gear.

Goodness knows that if something comes out that works almost or even half as well for a quarter of the price, OPERATORS will be upset.

I want to know what changes Holosun is making to the IRIS before it's released.  But they are obviously watching and reading various posts with keen interest.

Link Posted: 2/18/2024 8:42:05 PM EDT
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I don't know why there is such a strong movement to shame people that want to use gear however they see fit?  Gatekeeping manifests itself in many forms fellas.

It's textbook hypocrisy.

Talking about how an MFAL is potentially going to work on a discussion forum about NV gear and equipment is hardly counter to the intent of this forum.
Link Posted: 2/19/2024 9:57:01 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/19/2024 8:17:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Magsz18:
I don't know why there is such a strong movement to shame people that want to use gear however they see fit?  Gatekeeping manifests itself in many forms fellas.

It's textbook hypocrisy.

Talking about how an MFAL is potentially going to work on a discussion forum about NV gear and equipment is hardly counter to the intent of this forum.
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To your original point, the slider really is a non issue. Idk how that triggered the guy responding to your posts afterwards.

You can plainly see in this video how stiff it is:
Holosun IRIS vs LS-321 First looks


And it would take all of half a second or less to verify it’s position and make adjustments as needed.

Link Posted: 2/19/2024 8:56:04 PM EDT
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Honestly the IRIS switchology makes more sense to me than that of the MAWL. YMMV.
Link Posted: 2/19/2024 10:03:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By tranzformer:
Honestly the IRIS switchology makes more sense to me than that of the MAWL. YMMV.
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While I haven't had hands on any Holosun units, I don't like the idea of a button to select the different modes.
Link Posted: 2/19/2024 10:09:12 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By WTFShane:


While I haven't had hands on any Holosun units, I don't like the idea of a button to select the different modes.
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The Holosun rep Josh responded to comments about this and that they are still making changes/refinements. What we have seen in public so far are functioning prototypes.
Link Posted: 4/4/2024 4:33:28 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By JohnDough:

OGL civ will be availabe for around $2999, Mid to late 2024, per Eotech at SHOT. Whether this happens, is anyone's guess.
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Originally Posted By Master_Blaster:


OGL no-show is a letdown. Was hoping to hear something.

OGL civ will be availabe for around $2999, Mid to late 2024, per Eotech at SHOT. Whether this happens, is anyone's guess.


That bounces the "competitive price point" they were talking up last year. Moving along...
Link Posted: 4/5/2024 7:38:28 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Master_Blaster:


That bounces the "competitive price point" they were talking up last year. Moving along...
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They meant competitive for government agencies that buy them using your money.
Link Posted: 4/9/2024 5:45:29 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ex_Sanguine_Nation:


They meant competitive for government agencies that buy them using your money.
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Originally Posted By Ex_Sanguine_Nation:
Originally Posted By Master_Blaster:


That bounces the "competitive price point" they were talking up last year. Moving along...


They meant competitive for government agencies that buy them using your money.


I recall $1299 being thrown out a year or so ago, but I guess "inflation" be like it is.
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