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Posted: 10/18/2005 12:34:50 PM EDT
has anyone shot any of Winchesters new q3131 ammo? I was wondering if it was as hot as xm193 or more like IMI q3131a.
Link Posted: 10/18/2005 1:11:40 PM EDT
I have been hearing "rumors" about the new Q3131 and would also like to know. Where would be the best place to find it?
Link Posted: 10/18/2005 1:20:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ar_mcadams:
has anyone shot any of Winchesters new q3131 ammo? I was wondering if it was as hot as xm193 or more like IMI q3131a.



+1
Link Posted: 10/18/2005 1:29:20 PM EDT
I've seen it at the Austin Academy stores @ $4.39/box.

It's marked WCC 05, with the circle - "+", so it's M193 spec, or at least, supposed to be. Too bad they didn't keep the price at $3.99.
Link Posted: 10/18/2005 1:32:15 PM EDT
TAG!
Link Posted: 10/18/2005 1:34:30 PM EDT
Huh?

Tagged....
Link Posted: 10/18/2005 2:39:56 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/18/2005 2:52:38 PM EDT
OH SNAP!

This shit should IMMEDIATELY BE PULLED FROM CIVILIAN AVAILABILITY! AND BANNED!
Link Posted: 10/18/2005 2:54:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By markm:
OH SNAP!

This shit should IMMEDIATELY BE PULLED FROM CIVILIAN AVAILABILITY! AND BANNED!



SHUT UP!!!
Link Posted: 10/18/2005 2:59:35 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/18/2005 3:26:23 PM EDT

Ah, I see. They charge extra for the cardboard!

Link Posted: 10/18/2005 5:11:52 PM EDT
Bass Pro Shop in Harrisburg Pa is now stocking Q3131 at 4.39 per box. The dates were all 04.
Link Posted: 10/19/2005 1:31:12 AM EDT
Anybody know if this is commercial manufacture or is it still a surplus-type ammo? It would be nice if it was a commercial process, because that would imply a steady supply past the gov't need. "For Civilian Use Only"
Link Posted: 10/19/2005 1:36:26 AM EDT
Brass is probably overrun stuff from Olin's ammo contract for DOD. Sounds like the same thing that happened with Federal....the new FAE is boxed just like the XM193, some of the early product was loaded in LC brass, and the powder recipe appears to have been modified.
Link Posted: 10/19/2005 5:30:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DigDug:

Originally Posted By markm:
OH SNAP!

This shit should IMMEDIATELY BE PULLED FROM CIVILIAN AVAILABILITY! AND BANNED!



SHUT UP!!!



It's true DANG IT! Do you really want a bunch of unchecked civilians roaming the streets with this kind of FIRE POWER in their 30 round CLIPS? HECK NO!
Link Posted: 10/19/2005 10:31:36 AM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 10/19/2005 12:18:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MattARHBAR:
Bass Pro Shop in Harrisburg Pa is now stocking Q3131 at 4.39 per box. The dates were all 04.



now to wait until the next fall hunting sale!

2.99/box
Link Posted: 10/19/2005 12:45:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MP906:

Originally Posted By MattARHBAR:
Bass Pro Shop in Harrisburg Pa is now stocking Q3131 at 4.39 per box. The dates were all 04.



now to wait until the next fall hunting sale!

2.99/box



Got a stock number?
Link Posted: 10/19/2005 12:47:07 PM EDT
tagged for tagging purposes
Link Posted: 10/19/2005 12:50:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/19/2005 12:54:52 PM EDT by JustinOK34]
I found some yesterday at the Academy in OKC. $3.99/box $4.23
Q3131

Edit-checked my receipt
Link Posted: 10/19/2005 1:20:16 PM EDT
I for one am glad this stuff is back! Q3131 was always the best M-193 ammo IMHO. I see that Winchester used M855 brass. I see a NATO cross on them.
Link Posted: 10/19/2005 2:11:02 PM EDT
I just received a case today from Impact Guns, had ordered Q3131A but got the Q3131 instead, primers are sealed and all brass is '04 and '05 with some '03's but only a very few have the NATO stamp hyThe necks are crimped, all in all looks to be ok, guess I'll put these in bandos and store them for shtf.

Lot # is WH03
Link Posted: 10/19/2005 3:30:04 PM EDT
All of the boxes of Q3131 I bought yesterday are from lot "WK31".
All of my boxes of Q3131A that I have are lot "WB30".
About half of my WalMart .223 REM (the 40 rd value packs) is lot "WF61".
The other half of my WalMart .223 is "WE03".
And for shits and giggles, the 9mm I have is lot "WF82".
Link Posted: 10/19/2005 3:35:58 PM EDT
Winchester Website lists 5.56 Q3131 MV 3270 fps.
Link Posted: 10/19/2005 4:54:51 PM EDT
we need someone to chrono this stuff pronto!
Link Posted: 10/19/2005 5:09:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cruze5:
tagged for tagging purposes



ohhh I like that, me too
Link Posted: 10/19/2005 5:20:13 PM EDT
i have a chrono. someone send me some and i will shoot it from a 16,20 and 24 inch barrels.
Link Posted: 10/19/2005 5:27:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By markm:
OH SNAP!

This shit should IMMEDIATELY BE PULLED FROM CIVILIAN AVAILABILITY! AND BANNED!



YEAH!!! Ban it!!! Pull it ALL off the shelves and send it to me IMMEDIATELY!!!!
Link Posted: 10/19/2005 5:35:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DigDug:

Originally Posted By markm:
OH SNAP!

This shit should IMMEDIATELY BE PULLED FROM CIVILIAN AVAILABILITY! AND BANNED!



SHUT UP!!!





Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Yeah, what DigDug said.

Link Posted: 10/19/2005 5:36:27 PM EDT
I just picked up a couple boxes at the Harrisburg Bass Pro Shop.

They have crimped and sealed primers and there is sealant on the projectile.

I'll shoot some across my chronograph and report back with the data. May be a couple days though.
Link Posted: 10/19/2005 6:48:11 PM EDT
I'm suprised at the Harrisburg representation on here and in this thread.
Link Posted: 10/20/2005 2:12:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/20/2005 2:19:07 AM EDT by Darkhellmutt]

Originally Posted By markm:

Originally Posted By DigDug:

Originally Posted By markm:
OH SNAP!

This shit should IMMEDIATELY BE PULLED FROM CIVILIAN AVAILABILITY! AND BANNED!



SHUT UP!!!



It's true DANG IT! Do you really want a bunch of unchecked civilians roaming the streets with this kind of FIRE POWER in their 30 round CLIPS? HECK NO!



Unchecked civilians don't know the difference. Only those learned in the finer points
of military ammo know, and we are the guardians of freedom! So, send me ALL the Q3131
and I will make sure it gets used properly! Right Jaltered and Henry455?
Link Posted: 10/20/2005 5:22:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Darkhellmutt:
Unchecked civilians don't know the difference. Only those learned in the finer points
of military ammo know, and we are the guardians of freedom! So, send me ALL the Q3131
and I will make sure it gets used properly! Right Jaltered and Henry455?



Oh snap! I didn't know we had a real live guardian of freedom here!
Link Posted: 10/20/2005 5:57:22 AM EDT
Chrono ... chrono ... chrono ... chrono ...


Link Posted: 10/20/2005 8:59:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/20/2005 9:00:12 AM EDT by Triple_D]

Originally Posted By JustinOK34:
I found some yesterday at the Academy in OKC. $3.99/box $4.23
Q3131




Same price at Academy in DFW. Most headstamps are '05, along with the Nato stamp. But some are '04 headstamp with no Nato stamp.

Link Posted: 10/20/2005 10:32:33 AM EDT
I saw some at Gander Mnt today...$5.24 a box...
Link Posted: 10/20/2005 11:14:12 AM EDT
Here ya go.......

Bushy 14.5", 1/9 twist.

String 1
10 shots
Low 3000
High 3116
Avg 3057
ES 116
SD 37

String 2
10 shots
Low 3015
High 3139
Avg 3064
ES 124
SD 41

Comparing this data with the FRAG CHART, it would appear that this new Q3131 ammo is loaded to M193 specifications.

Sealed and crimped primers, sealed and crimped projectiles, loaded to M193 specs, looks like Winchester deserves a pat on the back for this one.





Link Posted: 10/20/2005 11:26:17 AM EDT
Oh snap! 3057+ out of a 14.5?

Sound like the Real deal. Not bad for Tier 2, Grade 87, floor sweepings!
Link Posted: 10/20/2005 11:31:49 AM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 10/20/2005 11:47:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By thezman:
Here ya go.......

Bushy 14.5", 1/9 twist.

String 1
10 shots
Low 3000
High 3116
Avg 3057
ES 116
SD 37

String 2
10 shots
Low 3015
High 3139
Avg 3064
ES 124
SD 41

Comparing this data with the FRAG CHART, it would appear that this new Q3131 ammo is loaded to M193 specifications.

Sealed and crimped primers, sealed and crimped projectiles, loaded to M193 specs, looks like Winchester deserves a pat on the back for this one.





Well crap. Now I have to go buy 10000 rounds of it.



Link Posted: 10/20/2005 11:56:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Triple_D:

Originally Posted By thezman:
Here ya go.......

Bushy 14.5", 1/9 twist.

String 1
10 shots
Low 3000
High 3116
Avg 3057
ES 116
SD 37

String 2
10 shots
Low 3015
High 3139
Avg 3064
ES 124
SD 41

Comparing this data with the FRAG CHART, it would appear that this new Q3131 ammo is loaded to M193 specifications.

Sealed and crimped primers, sealed and crimped projectiles, loaded to M193 specs, looks like Winchester deserves a pat on the back for this one.





Well crap. Now I have to go buy 10000 rounds of it.






yeah, me to.
Link Posted: 10/20/2005 1:02:19 PM EDT
Excellent! Thank you Winchester.

Now, just keep it going!
Link Posted: 10/20/2005 1:31:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Jicky:
I saw some at Gander Mnt today...$5.24 a box...



And I thought the Cincy Bass Pro was crazy charging $4.49/box.

Either way, I'll just get some from the next show.
Link Posted: 10/20/2005 1:32:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
Excellent! Thank you Winchester.

Now, just keep it going!



+87
Link Posted: 10/20/2005 1:39:51 PM EDT
Is there any difference between Q3131 and Q3131a other than IMI makes Q3131a?
Link Posted: 10/20/2005 2:31:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TROJANII:
Is there any difference between Q3131 and Q3131a other than IMI makes Q3131a?



As far as velocity goes, no. I don't know if they used a flash retardant on the QA loads, or if they use one on the new Q loads. The bullet may or may not be the same, but one would have to assume they would use the same tip. That's info you would have to get direct from Winchester.

The brass on the Q3131A loads is marked W.C.C. 04. Note the dots between the letters.

The brass on the Q3131 loads is marked WCC 04 with the Nato cross. Note lack of dots.
Somebody had said that they are using the M855 brass for the new Q3131 loads. I can't verify this as I have no Win M855 loads on hand.

Both cases are annealed, and are clean and shiny.
Link Posted: 10/20/2005 3:20:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Triple_D:
Most headstamps are '05, along with the Nato stamp. But some are '04 headstamp with no Nato stamp.


fyi
all my 04 seem to have the NATO cross.

ar-jedi




ps: rest of pics are in this thread:
ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=253863

Link Posted: 10/20/2005 4:22:49 PM EDT
Here's an '04 and '05 without the NATO cross.


Link Posted: 10/20/2005 4:33:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Triple_D:
Here's an '04 and '05 without the NATO cross.


images.snapfish.com/344%3C%3A84%3B23232%7Ffp7%3Enu%3D3256%3E%3B87­%3E338%3EWSNRCG%3D3232%3C765%3C%3A3%3A7nu0mrj­




Looks just like the rounds in the case that I just got, mine has a few '03's mixed in also, you can tell on about 50% of the rounds that the primers are sealed, others you can't, some even have sort of a powdery coating, maybe where the sealent got rubbed off from shipping, I don't know. Maybe 2 rounds per box are nato stamped brass. I'm gonna go out Sunday and throw some down range to see how it shoots before I bando the rest and seal it up for storage.
Link Posted: 10/20/2005 4:54:56 PM EDT
lot numbers guys?

my case of Q3131 (example rounds shown above) is all WK12.

ar-jedi



Link Posted: 10/20/2005 5:03:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ar-jedi:
lot numbers guys?

my case of Q3131 (example rounds shown above) is all WK12.

ar-jedi




Mine is all lot #WH03
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