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Originally Posted By ELittlefield: I wasn't a G$ guy before FRTs, and even now I just have SSA and SSA-E. What are all the different models? An endless pit of spending more money, lol. I only have the SSA. Considering the sdc next because of the flat trigger. . |
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Originally Posted By ELittlefield: I wasn't a G$ guy before FRTs, and even now I just have SSA and SSA-E. What are all the different models? The different models are separated by trigger shoe: curved, flat, hybrid... and then again by spring weight: the "-E" variant is lighter than the equivalent one without the enhanced suffix identifier. Not 100% consistent and they have other distinct models, such as their National Match trigger, but that's it in a nutshell. |
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FINALLY got my F1 approved, so I'll be heading to the range in the morning to give this trigger a whirl. FN lower with Geissele Super 42 spring & H2 buffer. Upper is a Geissele/Q Sugar Weasel 13" hybrid. SIG SLH762TiC can. |
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Originally Posted By tortilla-flats: Not going to list them all, but generally speaking... The different models are separated by trigger shoe: curved, flat, hybrid... and then again by spring weight: the "-E" variant is lighter than the equivalent one without the enhanced suffix identifier. Not 100% consistent and they have other distinct models, such as their National Match trigger, but that's it in a nutshell. The E is lighter and X has the bow trigger. You have a different break on the E variants. Crisper. You can use the SSA X springs with the SSAE-X to increase the pull weight. |
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Originally Posted By tortilla-flats: FINALLY got my F1 approved, so I'll be heading to the range in the morning to give this trigger a whirl. Colt lower with standard carbine spring & H3 buffer. Upper is a Geissele/Q Sugar Weasel 13" hybrid. SIG SLH762TiC can. Have fun!!! |
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I can't believe this. I'm going to have to put HKH and ELittlefield, the FRT Pimp extraordinaire, on ignore. I've already bought 7 G$ triggers in the last month and a half (six G2S and an SSA) and now I need to buy more triggers? I already thought that I had reached Nirvana. They are not the only ones in this thread that are a bad influence. I need to go through this thread and ignore the lot of you. I wish that I knew a way to do a "bulk ignore." 
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Originally Posted By viator: I can't believe this. I'm going to have to put HKH and ELittlefield, the FRT Pimp extraordinaire, on ignore. I've already bought 7 G$ triggers in the last month and a half (six G2S and an SSA) and now I need to buy more triggers? I already thought that I had reached Nirvana. They are not the only ones in this thread that are a bad influence. I need to go through this thread and ignore the lot of you. I wish that I knew a way to do a "bulk ignore." Email some dick pics to Aimless. He will make sure you're yeeted from seeing these threads. 
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Originally Posted By HKH: Bro Just no I just cut a SSAE-X last night and holy hell. I’ve got SSA, SDC, SDE and G2$ but I’ve never experienced anything like that… I’m buying that trigger for EVERY SINGLE GUN. Well maybe not every but at least for my top 10 ARs. There’s nothing like that. Originally Posted By HKH: Originally Posted By ar556223: I almost dont want to install the G$ after cutting it, the mil trigger that came with the ARC is not bad - consistently just under 3lbs on my cheap Lyman gauge, after about 3 mags. Bro Just no I just cut a SSAE-X last night and holy hell. I’ve got SSA, SDC, SDE and G2$ but I’ve never experienced anything like that… I’m buying that trigger for EVERY SINGLE GUN. Well maybe not every but at least for my top 10 ARs. There’s nothing like that. OK OK ...I will swap it out tonight  For the record, I do not have a mil trigger in any lower, except this one and I pulled the G out of it to install the arc.
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Maybe I’m obtuse, but I have a pile of SSAs and love them, I’ve had two SSA-Es and don’t particularly like them, they aren’t better IMO, they’re just lighter. |
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Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Maybe I’m obtuse, but I have a pile of SSAs and love them, I’ve had two SSA-Es and don’t particularly like them, they aren’t better IMO, they’re just lighter. I have a pair of SSA-Es cut for my ARC-Fires, and a pair of SSAs for my Cornfires. |
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Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Maybe I’m obtuse, but I have a pile of SSAs and love them, I’ve had two SSA-Es and don’t particularly like them, they aren’t better IMO, they’re just lighter. I’m not saying you’re obtuse, but uh, yeah, the SSA-E is just a lighter SSA lol. It isn’t supposed to be anything different. |
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Well that didn't go well. Consistent FTF every 2-3 rounds; not picking up new rounds. Geissele H2 buffer with Super 42 spring. Ran fine before swapping triggers. Go with an H1 buffer? I can also open up the gas. ETA: Swapping over to a standard buffer pringa and Colt H2 buffer and going from there. 13" carbine gas, AGB, FWIW. |
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Originally Posted By tortilla-flats: Well that didn't go well. Consistent FTF every 2-3 rounds; not picking up new rounds. Geissele H2 buffer with Super 42 spring. Ran fine before swapping triggers. Go with an H1 buffer? I can also open up the gas. ETA: Swapping over to a standard buffer pringa and Colt H2 buffer and going from there. 13" carbine gas, AGB, FWIW. Sounds under gassed. Before you installed the ARC, did it lock open on an empty mag with the last round? |
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Originally Posted By ELittlefield: Does it run a full magazine with a normal semi auto trigger in it? Originally Posted By ELittlefield: Originally Posted By tortilla-flats: Yes. Does it run a full magazine with a normal semi auto trigger in it?  Much better. Didn't have the buffer setup I thought i did. Swapped in a Colt H2 and standard buffer spring and opened up the gas a bit. Runs like a top now.
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Originally Posted By tortilla-flats: Much better. Didn't have the buffer setup I thought i did. Swapped in a Colt H2 and standard buffer spring and opened up the gas a bit. Runs like a top now. Originally Posted By tortilla-flats: Originally Posted By ELittlefield: Originally Posted By tortilla-flats: Yes. Does it run a full magazine with a normal semi auto trigger in it? Much better. Didn't have the buffer setup I thought i did. Swapped in a Colt H2 and standard buffer spring and opened up the gas a bit. Runs like a top now.
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Originally Posted By bkpkr: I'm not saying you're obtuse, but uh, yeah, the SSA-E is just a lighter SSA lol. It isn't supposed to be anything different. Originally Posted By bkpkr: Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Maybe I'm obtuse, but I have a pile of SSAs and love them, I've had two SSA-Es and don't particularly like them, they aren't better IMO, they're just lighter. I'm not saying you're obtuse, but uh, yeah, the SSA-E is just a lighter SSA lol. It isn't supposed to be anything different.  
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Originally Posted By HKH: Bro Just no I just cut a SSAE-X last night and holy hell. I’ve got SSA, SDC, SDE and G2$ but I’ve never experienced anything like that… I’m buying that trigger for EVERY SINGLE GUN. Well maybe not every but at least for my top 10 ARs. There’s nothing like that. Originally Posted By HKH: Originally Posted By ar556223: I almost dont want to install the G$ after cutting it, the mil trigger that came with the ARC is not bad - consistently just under 3lbs on my cheap Lyman gauge, after about 3 mags. Bro Just no I just cut a SSAE-X last night and holy hell. I’ve got SSA, SDC, SDE and G2$ but I’ve never experienced anything like that… I’m buying that trigger for EVERY SINGLE GUN. Well maybe not every but at least for my top 10 ARs. There’s nothing like that. I installed the G$ last night - but forgot about the d@mn lever blocker  .So about the rattling the guy posted about...I have some rattle can bedliner spray that I could hit it with....good idea or not. |
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Originally Posted By ar556223: I installed the G$ last night - but forgot about the d@mn lever blocker .So about the rattling the guy posted about...I have some rattle can bedliner spray that I could hit it with....good idea or not. Originally Posted By ar556223: Originally Posted By HKH: Originally Posted By ar556223: I almost dont want to install the G$ after cutting it, the mil trigger that came with the ARC is not bad - consistently just under 3lbs on my cheap Lyman gauge, after about 3 mags. Bro Just no I just cut a SSAE-X last night and holy hell. I’ve got SSA, SDC, SDE and G2$ but I’ve never experienced anything like that… I’m buying that trigger for EVERY SINGLE GUN. Well maybe not every but at least for my top 10 ARs. There’s nothing like that. I installed the G$ last night - but forgot about the d@mn lever blocker .So about the rattling the guy posted about...I have some rattle can bedliner spray that I could hit it with....good idea or not. 
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Originally Posted By spyderboy03: The SSA-E is not the same as the SSA, just lighter. They have different take up, breaks, and resets. Bill describes the break of the SSA as carrot-like and the SSA-E like an icicle. Here are Geissele's profiles: https://i.imgur.com/6hTIFDW.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/0NXAkHm.png Originally Posted By spyderboy03: Originally Posted By bkpkr: Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Maybe I'm obtuse, but I have a pile of SSAs and love them, I've had two SSA-Es and don't particularly like them, they aren't better IMO, they're just lighter. I'm not saying you're obtuse, but uh, yeah, the SSA-E is just a lighter SSA lol. It isn't supposed to be anything different. https://i.imgur.com/6hTIFDW.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/0NXAkHm.png Thanks for that. |
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Originally Posted By gunner76: So I really hate Milspec triggers and I'm trying to get the courage to modify the Geissele. If I do modify the G trigger will it still function with a regular safety if I choose to remove the Arc Fire down the road? Yes it will, as long as you modify it correctly. The amount you need to take from the left side corner is extremely small. Just rounding the point. On the right side, you can take a lot of material. Non critical dimension. |
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Originally Posted By ELittlefield: Yes it will, as long as you modify it correctly. The amount you need to take from the left side corner is extremely small. Just rounding the point. On the right side, you can take a lot of material. Non critical dimension. Thanks. I'm guessing I could use the mil spec trigger it came with as a template on how much to remove? |
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Originally Posted By gunner76: Thanks. I'm guessing I could use the mil spec trigger it came with as a template on how much to remove? Originally Posted By gunner76: Originally Posted By ELittlefield: Yes it will, as long as you modify it correctly. The amount you need to take from the left side corner is extremely small. Just rounding the point. On the right side, you can take a lot of material. Non critical dimension. Thanks. I'm guessing I could use the mil spec trigger it came with as a template on how much to remove? I would follow the instructions and pictures in this thread if I were you. That's your best bet |
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Originally Posted By JTX23: I would follow the instructions and pictures in this thread if I were you. That's your best bet Yes - HKH's tutorial on page 18 should be tacked/stickied/or a least called out in the title if OP would update it. @Corn-fed-556 |
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Are the ARC fire triggers that combat armory is selling the ones with the groove in the selectors? I'm not talking the mil spec looking ones I'm talking the type like the picture. When did AS designs start adding these grooves? Attached File |
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Originally Posted By airrick2003: Are the ARC fire triggers that combat armory is selling the ones with the groove in the selectors? I'm not talking the mil spec looking ones I'm talking the type like the picture. When did AS designs start adding these grooves? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/198051/IMG_3065_jpeg-3728043.JPG We started adding them a while ago, but us and dealers still had inventory to move through. I believe most units shipping from anyone at this point should have the grooved version. |
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Originally Posted By ASDesigns: We started adding them a while ago, but us and dealers still had inventory to move through. I believe most units shipping from anyone at this point should have the grooved version. Originally Posted By ASDesigns: Originally Posted By airrick2003: Are the ARC fire triggers that combat armory is selling the ones with the groove in the selectors? I'm not talking the mil spec looking ones I'm talking the type like the picture. When did AS designs start adding these grooves? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/198051/IMG_3065_jpeg-3728043.JPG We started adding them a while ago, but us and dealers still had inventory to move through. I believe most units shipping from anyone at this point should have the grooved version.  " />
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My ARC stopped forking when I went to the milspec levers, and I can not get it to run since. I did not want my help questions to get lost in this thread, so I started my own. But if anyone can offer some help or suggestions, I would be grateful. https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/I-need-help-getting-my-ARC-fire-to-work-again/130-793213/ |
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Originally Posted By airrick2003: Are the ARC fire triggers that combat armory is selling the ones with the groove in the selectors? I'm not talking the mil spec looking ones I'm talking the type like the picture. When did AS designs start adding these grooves? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/198051/IMG_3065_jpeg-3728043.JPG I got mine from them a couple weeks ago, it has the grooved levers. |
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Can anyone explain why this is not compatible with a Larue MBT? I played around with a standard SS and MBT and the only missing ingredient was the Lever Blocker. Why is this different? BTW this is the best thing since sliced bread. FRT with a great trigger. @ASDesigns. |
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Originally Posted By optionstrader: Can anyone explain why this is not compatible with a Larue MBT? I played around with a standard SS and MBT and the only missing ingredient was the Lever Blocker. Why is this different? BTW this is the best thing since sliced bread. FRT with a great trigger. @ASDesigns. https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Current-3-position-FRT-options/5-2835570/?page=1 Post 45 on this page. The trip lever is incompatible with the MBT shoe shape. |
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Originally Posted By optionstrader: Thank you. Does it work with the single stage? Originally Posted By optionstrader: Originally Posted By ELittlefield: That’s for the 2 stage, by the way. Thank you. Does it work with the single stage? I haven’t tried cutting a single stage. It’s basically just a well made USGI trigger. I expect it would work. |
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Round 2 now with my 9mm CMMG Banshee (FE)/BRT SD upper w/B&T SD suppressor. This rocks! Mags are T-Mags with the Endo insert. Standard lower with carbine buffer spring and H2 buffer. Standard v1 ARC-Fire trigger setup. Only had this happen a couple of times...  |
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When the V2 trigger is available, the V1 trigger will go in my CMMG Mk4 lower and will run with this 9mm upper. The CMMG lower has a Super 42 buffer spring & G$ H2 buffer. The new V2 trigger will go in my FN M16 and run with my GQ Sugar Weasel upper. |
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Originally Posted By tortilla-flats: Round 2 now with my 9mm CMMG Banshee (FE)/BRT SD upper w/B&T SD suppressor. This rocks! Mags are T-Mags with the Endo insert. Standard lower with carbine buffer spring and H2 buffer. Standard v1 ARC-Fire trigger setup. Only had this happen a couple of times... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/15341/20260317_151509-3731417.jpg Picture of the bullet but no pics of the banshee. Bummer, lol. . |
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