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Link Posted: 12/21/2020 2:56:28 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/21/2020 2:58:52 PM EST by triburst1]
The fifth trip to the range with the 19MOS and RMR.  My first 20 rounds fired, just under 3” at 25 yards, standing unsupported. I almost never shoot pistols for groups but the RMR makes it so easy.


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Link Posted: 12/21/2020 2:58:12 PM EST
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Originally Posted By tt350z:
Just jumped onto the optics bandwagon. Carry Optics gun with 2.5 MOA SRO and carry gun setup. I personally did not have a learning curve of any sort to pick up the dot. I can have my eyes closes during the draw and index and the dot is visible pretty much everytime I open my eyes. I’m personally gonna ditch the suppressor sights on the G19, I find it blocks to much id the window. It’d probably be better on a MOS slide but the slide melt sits the optics pretty low. Much prefer to Holosun 507C over the RMR07. More usable window, clearer/less tint glass, and a flatter image.

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Yikes. Looks like you’re well on your way to having a Fitz Special with that bottom pistol.
Link Posted: 12/22/2020 1:29:55 PM EST
HK VP9 with Holosun 509T, P80 serialized frame/Brownells optic cut G19 slide with Holosun 507C V2.

Both are great to shoot, but I find the 509T's reticle easier to pick up due to the more tube-like construction of the housing.

The RMR-pattern adapter plate included with the 509T won't work with the Brownell's slide because the slide uses bosses around the main screws instead of providing separate recoil bosses near the front of the slide cut.

Link Posted: 12/22/2020 6:24:53 PM EST
So if I carry a dot pistol in a Fudd holster is that modern enough or no?
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Link Posted: 12/22/2020 7:54:09 PM EST
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Originally Posted By steviesterno16:
So if I carry a dot pistol in a Fudd holster is that modern enough or no?
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I think it looks great!
Link Posted: 12/22/2020 8:32:56 PM EST
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Great setup. That said, why did you swap out the barrel? Unless I'm going threaded, I see zero reason to do so.
Link Posted: 12/22/2020 8:52:13 PM EST
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Originally Posted By PFran42:


Great setup. That said, why did you swap out the barrel? Unless I'm going threaded, I see zero reason to do so.
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True. Gen 5 barrel will do 3 inches for me at 25 (standing / freehand)
Link Posted: 12/22/2020 8:55:27 PM EST
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Originally Posted By PFran42:


Great setup. That said, why did you swap out the barrel? Unless I'm going threaded, I see zero reason to do so.
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Originally Posted By PFran42:


Great setup. That said, why did you swap out the barrel? Unless I'm going threaded, I see zero reason to do so.

I bought it as a stripped gen 5 frame , I bought all the other parts to complete it
Link Posted: 12/22/2020 11:26:09 PM EST
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Originally Posted By disturbed0013:

I bought it as a stripped gen 5 frame , I bought all the other parts to complete it
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Makes sense when you explain it like that.
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 9:03:45 PM EST
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Originally Posted By triburst1:
The fifth trip to the range with the 19MOS and RMR.  My first 20 rounds fired, just under 3” at 25 yards, standing unsupported. I almost never shoot pistols for groups but the RMR makes it so easy.


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That would be a 100 on B8 if it's under 3".
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Link Posted: 12/29/2020 11:38:31 PM EST
I've got the Ameriglo 429 black suppressor sights on my 19.5MOS with RMR. I don't miss the tritium dots for sighting since the irons are just for back up but I sure miss them for finding my pistol in the dark.
Link Posted: 12/30/2020 12:39:39 PM EST
Finally have everything I need to send off to Jagerwerks to cut for my RMR on my 17.5.  Hopefully the wait time isn't too bad
Link Posted: 12/30/2020 12:41:39 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/9/2021 12:14:05 AM EST by PFran42]
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Originally Posted By cone256:
Finally have everything I need to send off to Jagerwerks to cut for my RMR on my 17.5.  Hopefully the wait time isn't too bad
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You probably picked the absolute worst time of the year. JW was offering optic cuts for $80 on Black Friday. I'm sure many took them up on that offer, I know I did.
Link Posted: 12/30/2020 1:48:19 PM EST
Took the 365xl to the range for the first time in a while. First round with the 507k was dead ass center. Roll out to 25 yards and put a whole mag quickly into a head sized target.

Dots are the future.
Link Posted: 12/30/2020 1:50:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By cone256:
Finally have everything I need to send off to Jagerwerks to cut for my RMR on my 17.5.  Hopefully the wait time isn't too bad
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I sent in a slide at the beginning of December and they had it turned around in under 2 weeks.  Now, USPS being the shit show it is, it took almost another 2 weeks bouncing around the mail system.
Link Posted: 1/1/2021 9:11:45 AM EST
Clever optic reticle from Holosun

Holosun with Vulcan ACSS reticle

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Link Posted: 1/1/2021 3:02:35 PM EST
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Originally Posted By steviesterno16:
Took the 365xl to the range for the first time in a while. First round with the 507k was dead ass center. Roll out to 25 yards and put a whole mag quickly into a head sized target.

Dots are the future.
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Naw...Point shooting for the win brah!!!!
Link Posted: 1/7/2021 7:01:47 PM EST
@hagdaddy
Link Posted: 1/7/2021 11:10:53 PM EST
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I received mine four days ago. Swapped the SRO off of my G19 MOS/FCD. Absolutely loving it!

The 100moa circle is such a great cheat. Sure, if you have a perfect presentation you don’t need it. But, if you’re like me (and you are) you don’t have a perfect presentation much of the time. In those instances this thing is amazing. One handed, on the move, off angle, etc. the big ring of love is there for you. No more, “Where’s my dot? Where’s My Dot?? WHERE’S MY DOT???”  If you’re off you instantly know how to fix it. I had reservations that things might get busy under recoil but I haven’t found that to be the case.

I’ve gotten accustom to the large window of the SRO. So, going back to a smaller window feels strange. The circle really helps to ease that. If Trijicon could adopt this concept into an SRO they’d have even more of my money.

I need further testing but my initial impression is super favorable.

ETA, The chevron and brightness settings are also very nice. I’m a 10 yrd zero guy and this is meant to be zeroed at 25 yrds. I haven’t had a chance to see how that effects what is supposed to the 50/100 yrd poa’s. I’ve never shot a chevron handgun RDS before but so far I’m impressed with it.
Link Posted: 1/7/2021 11:48:23 PM EST
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Originally Posted By sunnybean:


I received mine four days ago. Swapped the SRO off of my G19 MOS/FCD. Absolutely loving it!

The 100moa circle is such a great cheat. Sure, if you have a perfect presentation you don’t need it. But, if you’re like me (and you are) you don’t have a perfect presentation much of the time. In those instances this thing is amazing. One handed, on the move, off angle, etc. the big ring of love is there for you. No more, “Where’s my dot? Where’s My Dot?? WHERE’S MY DOT???”  If you’re off you instantly know how to fix it. I had reservations that things might get busy under recoil but I haven’t found that to be the case.

I’ve gotten accustom to the large window of the SRO. So, going back to a smaller window feels strange. The circle really helps to ease that. If Trijicon could adopt this concept into an SRO they’d have even more of my money.

I need further testing but my initial impression is super favorable.

ETA, The chevron and brightness settings are also very nice. I’m a 10 yrd zero guy and this is meant to be zeroed at 25 yrds. I haven’t had a chance to see how that effects what is supposed to the 50/100 yrd poa’s. I’ve never shot a chevron handgun RDS before but so far I’m impressed with it.
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Interesting. I have 3 SROs right now and love them. I do have my fair share of dot-hunting at times. I just bought another Optic Ready pistol and am seriously considering the Holoson..
Link Posted: 1/7/2021 11:50:00 PM EST
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Originally Posted By sunnybean:


I received mine four days ago. Swapped the SRO off of my G19 MOS/FCD. Absolutely loving it!

The 100moa circle is such a great cheat. Sure, if you have a perfect presentation you don't need it. But, if you're like me (and you are) you don't have a perfect presentation much of the time. In those instances this thing is amazing. One handed, on the move, off angle, etc. the big ring of love is there for you. No more, "Where's my dot? Where's My Dot?? WHERE'S MY DOT???"  If you're off you instantly know how to fix it. I had reservations that things might get busy under recoil but I haven't found that to be the case.

I've gotten accustom to the large window of the SRO. So, going back to a smaller window feels strange. The circle really helps to ease that. If Trijicon could adopt this concept into an SRO they'd have even more of my money.

I need further testing but my initial impression is super favorable.

ETA, The chevron and brightness settings are also very nice. I'm a 10 yrd zero guy and this is meant to be zeroed at 25 yrds. I haven't had a chance to see how that effects what is supposed to the 50/100 yrd poa's. I've never shot a chevron handgun RDS before but so far I'm impressed with it.
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In stock anywhere?
Link Posted: 1/8/2021 2:29:25 AM EST

Link Posted: 1/8/2021 8:57:14 AM EST
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Originally Posted By steviesterno16:
Dots are the future.
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My take? Yes, they are the future and I plan on setting up a couple of guns with MRDS just to play around with it but in present time, the technology just isn't developed enough for me to trust them on my go to guns. They are not as reliable or robust as their bigger, rifle oriented brothers.

I just watched a video the other day from some firearms trainer talking about how great they are then admitted that in a recent class he had, they got heavy rain and the only 2 students that were able to finish the course where the 2 student running irons only

Two things need to happen to make MRDS sights on pistols the norm... Reliability needs to be improved and the gun and optic makers need to come together on a standard mounting system. This crap about your slide being milled to fit one specific sight (or having to use adaptor plates that raise the height of the sight) is BS and frustrating IMO. I want to be able to buy what ever gun I want and what ever optic I want and they just fit/work without having to jump through hoops, buy adaptors or spend time and money sending it out to be milled only then to be stuck with one specific optic platform.

ETA... from both a reliably and standardization viewpoint, they also need to incorporate a standardized lug system to keep the stress off the mounting screws and keep these sights from falling off the gun.

To each their own but that's just my $.02 on the subject
Link Posted: 1/8/2021 9:00:19 AM EST
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Originally Posted By PFran42:


You probably picked the absolute worst time of the year. YW was offering optic cuts for $80 on Black Friday. I'm sure many took them up on that offer, I know I did.
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Originally Posted By cone256:
Finally have everything I need to send off to Jagerwerks to cut for my RMR on my 17.5.  Hopefully the wait time isn't too bad


You probably picked the absolute worst time of the year. YW was offering optic cuts for $80 on Black Friday. I'm sure many took them up on that offer, I know I did.


Ugh figures
Link Posted: 1/8/2021 9:06:38 AM EST
Love the new 509T, but damn!
That stack height though!
(Can’t wait for my CHPWS plate to come in stock...

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Originally Posted By airgunner:

the gun and optic makers need to come together on a standard mounting system. This crap about your slide being milled to fit one specific sight (or having to use adaptor plates that raise the height of the sight) is BS and frustrating IMO. I want to be able to buy what ever gun I want and what ever optic I want and they just fit/work without having to jump through hoops, buy adaptors or spend time and money sending it out to be milled only then to be stuck with one specific optic platform.



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This right here.

As it stands now is weapons grade retarded.  Surely it can't be that far off.  Hell just recessing a 1913 section would make me happy.
Link Posted: 1/8/2021 10:24:21 AM EST
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Originally Posted By airgunner:

I just watched a video the other day from some firearms trainer talking about how great they are then admitted that in a recent class he had, they got heavy rain and the only 2 students that were able to finish the course where the 2 student running irons only [img]http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_abused.gif[/img
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That sounds like total BS.

I'm pretty sure a good mRDS like the Trijicon RMR won't be killed by ANY amount of rain.

And even if a mRDS does die, you can still use your IRON SIGHTS thru the mRDS window.  There would be no legitimate reason to not finish the course.

And the Trijicon RMR is plenty tough, so that isn't a valid argument.
Link Posted: 1/8/2021 10:33:43 AM EST
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Originally Posted By airgunner:

My take? Yes, they are the future and I plan on setting up a couple of guns with MRDS just to play around with it but in present time, the technology just isn't developed enough for me to trust them on my go to guns. They are not as reliable or robust as their bigger, rifle oriented brothers.

I just watched a video the other day from some firearms trainer talking about how great they are then admitted that in a recent class he had, they got heavy rain and the only 2 students that were able to finish the course where the 2 student running irons only

Two things need to happen to make MRDS sights on pistols the norm... Reliability needs to be improved and the gun and optic makers need to come together on a standard mounting system. This crap about your slide being milled to fit one specific sight (or having to use adaptor plates that raise the height of the sight) is BS and frustrating IMO. I want to be able to buy what ever gun I want and what ever optic I want and they just fit/work without having to jump through hoops, buy adaptors or spend time and money sending it out to be milled only then to be stuck with one specific optic platform.

ETA... from both a reliably and standardization viewpoint, they also need to incorporate a standardized lug system to keep the stress off the mounting screws and keep these sights from falling off the gun.

To each their own but that's just my $.02 on the subject
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@airgunner

the future is now.

Water test 1
Link Posted: 1/8/2021 11:29:45 AM EST
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Durability / reliability (at least the Trijicon products) is the last concern of mine at this point.  I've got enough rounds through 3 samples on 3 different guns that I have the utmost confidence in them.

User training is the biggest concern I see - there is an adjustment.  

Took about 4-5 good sessions for me on multiple platforms to work out this adjustment to the point where I instinctively present properly 90% of the time now.  

That other 10% is a split-second slower while I'm dot-hunting.  I suspect this is where the technology will improve, such as the Holosun reticle.
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Originally Posted By Sniper3142:
That sounds like total BS.

I'm pretty sure a good mRDS like the Trijicon RMR won't be killed by ANY amount of rain.
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I'm sure you're an expert and know better but go argue with this guy about it and leave me out of it...

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Relevant comment @2:46 but I suggest you watch the whole thing. For the most part, he's on your guys side but he's honest about the pros and cons of RDS's on pistols.

and to be clear, he's not specific about why the RDS guys couldn't complete the course of fire? I didn't get the impression that the RDS's died, more like the heavy weather made them unusable because of too much moisture on the glass? (and if that was the case, your BUIS's would be useless too)
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Originally Posted By Fooboy:
In stock anywhere?
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Originally Posted By sunnybean:


I received mine four days ago. Swapped the SRO off of my G19 MOS/FCD. Absolutely loving it!

The 100moa circle is such a great cheat. Sure, if you have a perfect presentation you don't need it. But, if you're like me (and you are) you don't have a perfect presentation much of the time. In those instances this thing is amazing. One handed, on the move, off angle, etc. the big ring of love is there for you. No more, "Where's my dot? Where's My Dot?? WHERE'S MY DOT???"  If you're off you instantly know how to fix it. I had reservations that things might get busy under recoil but I haven't found that to be the case.

I've gotten accustom to the large window of the SRO. So, going back to a smaller window feels strange. The circle really helps to ease that. If Trijicon could adopt this concept into an SRO they'd have even more of my money.

I need further testing but my initial impression is super favorable.

ETA, The chevron and brightness settings are also very nice. I'm a 10 yrd zero guy and this is meant to be zeroed at 25 yrds. I haven't had a chance to see how that effects what is supposed to the 50/100 yrd poa's. I've never shot a chevron handgun RDS before but so far I'm impressed with it.
In stock anywhere?


I purchased from Rainer Arms. I think I got one of the last ones they had because later that day I sent a link to a friend and they were out of stock. Primary Arms was already sold out. Sorry, not much help.
Link Posted: 1/8/2021 7:45:13 PM EST
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Originally Posted By airgunner:

I'm sure you're an expert and know better but go argue with this guy about it and leave me out of it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIdp6brWLxA
Relevant comment @2:46 but I suggest you watch the whole thing. For the most part, he's on your guys side but he's honest about the pros and cons of RDS's on pistols.

and to be clear, he's not specific about why the RDS guys couldn't complete the course of fire? I didn't get the impression that the RDS's died, more like the heavy weather made them unusable because of too much moisture on the glass? (and if that was the case, your BUIS's would be useless too)
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THANKS!



Good video with several valuable insights.
Link Posted: 1/8/2021 9:56:59 PM EST
Having some trouble finding cowitness sights for a G48 MOS + Holosun 507K-X2. Any recommendations? I prefer blacked out sights.
Link Posted: 1/8/2021 10:11:10 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Pleaforwar:
Having some trouble finding cowitness sights for a G48 MOS + Holosun 507K-X2. Any recommendations? I prefer blacked out sights.
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Is there a G48 version of the Ameriglo 429's?

Excellent bang for the buck and do what you need them to do.
Link Posted: 1/8/2021 11:06:05 PM EST
@WIZZO_ARAKM14

Unfortunately they do not. I can't find any Ameriglo sights that fit the slim frame and are elevated.
Link Posted: 1/9/2021 12:33:10 AM EST
Well pisser. Must be too new of a niche since none of them were offered optics ready until just a couple months ago.
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How difficult is it to cut a slide for an rmr? My neighbor has a bridgeport and has offered to cut mine for me if I can get whatever schematic I need.
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Originally Posted By billth777:
How difficult is it to cut a slide for an rmr? My neighbor has a bridgeport and has offered to cut mine for me if I can get whatever schematic I need.
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I'd send it in to a pro
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Lol dude... Do not do that
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Originally Posted By billth777:
How difficult is it to cut a slide for an rmr? My neighbor has a bridgeport and has offered to cut mine for me if I can get whatever schematic I need.
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I look forward to the epic "My slide is fooked" thread.
Link Posted: 1/31/2021 6:08:04 PM EST
About to begin week 4 of my wait with Jagerwerks.
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Lol dude... Do not do that
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an engineer with a brigeport and accurate drawings is incapable of cutting a slide for an RMR?
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