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Posted: 1/13/2024 2:36:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Capta]
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Posted: 1/13/2024 3:01:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOn the contrary, everyone needs to look at this. Ukrainians are suffering similar wounds all over the front every day, and they will be paying for the rehabilitation and reintegration of these soldiers back into society for decades to come. The last video seems to have aircraft sounds, implying that this wounded Russian was being evacuated somewhere with a higher level of care. Maybe he would have preferred a grenade were dropped directly in his lap, but we can say from here that he counts as one of the "lucky ones". The more aid we provide, the sooner this is will all be over, and the fewer invalids and orphans that will be created. And since we know that the Russian leadership is perfectly comfortable sending waves of "meat", we need to focus just as hard on making a comfortable life impossible for the oligarchs, wherever they or their ill-gotten treasure is hidden away. They shouldn't be able to sleep a wink at night anywhere in the world, or go more than few hours without wondering if their bank balance has been zeroed out. 
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Posted: 1/13/2024 3:32:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: On the contrary, everyone needs to look at this. Ukrainians are suffering similar wounds all over the front every day, and they will be paying for the rehabilitation and reintegration of these soldiers back into society for decades to come. The last video seems to have aircraft sounds, implying that this wounded Russian was being evacuated somewhere with a higher level of care. Maybe he would have preferred a grenade were dropped directly in his lap, but we can say from here that he counts as one of the "lucky ones". The more aid we provide, the sooner this is will all be over, and the fewer invalids and orphans that will be created. And since we know that the Russian leadership is perfectly comfortable sending waves of "meat", we need to focus just as hard on making a comfortable life impossible for the oligarchs, wherever they or their ill-gotten treasure is hidden away. They shouldn't be able to sleep a wink at night anywhere in the world, or go more than few hours without wondering if their bank balance has been zeroed out. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: On the contrary, everyone needs to look at this. Ukrainians are suffering similar wounds all over the front every day, and they will be paying for the rehabilitation and reintegration of these soldiers back into society for decades to come. The last video seems to have aircraft sounds, implying that this wounded Russian was being evacuated somewhere with a higher level of care. Maybe he would have preferred a grenade were dropped directly in his lap, but we can say from here that he counts as one of the "lucky ones". The more aid we provide, the sooner this is will all be over, and the fewer invalids and orphans that will be created. And since we know that the Russian leadership is perfectly comfortable sending waves of "meat", we need to focus just as hard on making a comfortable life impossible for the oligarchs, wherever they or their ill-gotten treasure is hidden away. They shouldn't be able to sleep a wink at night anywhere in the world, or go more than few hours without wondering if their bank balance has been zeroed out. I’ve seen worse, but I think it’s best to give people the opportunity to pass on some things. On the other hand, I think some things people should be required to see. The video I posted a day or two ago which had Russians machine-gunning a dozen passing civilian cars everyone should have to watch. |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 4:17:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: Folks, don't buy into the hype of the mighty Russian Flankers. Go read about the engagement between Pakistani F-16A Block 15 MLU vs. Indian Su-30 MKI from a few years ago. These Pakistani F-16s are very similar to the version being gifted to Ukraine by various European nations and are among the oldest of F-16s still in service. They totally had the Indian Flankers on the defensive during the entire engagement, getting the first shots and controlling the engagement. And the Indian Flankers are among the best and most sophisticated in the world. Next to the Su-35, the Su-30MKI is probably the best Flanker variant in service. After this engagement, the Indians went to the Israelis and had them equip their Flankers for the Israeli Derby active radar missiles because the Russian R-77 Amraamski sucked so terribly. And the Indians started buying more French Rafale fighters because they came to the realization that western fighters are greatly superior to the Russian shit. And don't even get me started on the much hyped Russian R-37 missile. It may have range but it is designed for going after big, lumbering targets like AWACS and tankers. It isn't a dogfight missile and will fare poorly when employed against fighter aircraft that have good situational awareness. With the exception of the Archer missile, I've always thought their radar missiles suck from the Alamo to the Adder. Didn't know about the IAF effort to replace the R-77 with Derby and some local effort called Astra. While I'm familiar with the deadly Python series can't say I know much about Derby. Seems short ranged based on the size.  
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Posted: 1/13/2024 4:45:11 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/13/2024 5:09:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jaehaerys: There's a thread on the tank porn subreddit about this particular engagement. In short, there's actually two Bradleys. One engages first and retreats, and a second one comes in after the T90 pops smoke. The T-90's turret appears to get damaged, and the two Bradleys then gang up on it. I haven't examined the clip that closely, but, provided that's the case, this might be a mixture of training to use their advantages and also a bit of luck. I have no idea what exactly happened, but the one Brad I could see did an excellent job of changing positions frequently (as they should, when any T tank has a main gun which could catkill them in one shot if they were so unlucky). I hope/assume that the Brads had radio communications with each other, or just good optics, and the good sense to do the best they could with what they could see and shoot at any particular moment. My face was  because this all took place at 500-800m, which is knife-fighting range for either tanks or IFVs (unless you have shitty Russian optics, I guess).I have a feeling that Ukrainian crews, even as abbreviated as their training must be, are receiving more simulator time and range time than their Russian counterparts. Thus, more MEAT FOR THE MEAT CUBE. 
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Posted: 1/13/2024 5:22:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: GTLandser]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: I don’t think the F-16s will be going after SUs for a long time. If Mig-29s can survive by being careful, so can F-16s. Ukraine has only lost 7-8 aircraft all of 2023 (vs 60 in 2022) per Oryx. Mig-29s have already been launching HARMS “dumb.” F-16s will do it better and will probably start extracting a higher toll of SAMs pretty quickly. The Russians rely on their SAM coverage. It’s like their minefield doctrine. The SAMs are mines. The SUs are ATGMs. Except in this case the MCLIC (HARM) outranges the ATGM. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By strykr: Originally Posted By Capta: There was a report that the F-16s were getting a radar upgrade, and someone posted info that a drop-in export AESA was available. IMO F-16s will probably shoot HARMS for a while to diminish the Russian AD threat. Remember that Russian fighters are almost exclusively operating behind their own SAMs. If their SAMs start to go away they become a lot less secure and might be pushed back even further. It's standard practice to carry two AMRAAMS on the wingtips now. Two AMRAAMS, two HARMS, and two tanks is very doable. Or two AMRAAMS, two JDAMS, and two tanks. I do not think it is going to be as easy as you say. Those SAMs are going to be targeting the F-16s as well. And I doubt the F-16s would violate Russian air space. If they fly high, they will have to dodge missiles and eventually get shot down. As for 2 AMRAAMs, that's 2 chances to make the kill from a distance. It also needs an ECM pod since it does not have an internal unit, right? And then still it has shorter range to make it to the target and back safely. Contrast that to a hypothetical Su-30/35 carrying up to 6 medium-range missiles and it can absolutely force the F-16 to be on the defensive and wear it down. Now there are reports of them using the R-37 as well, which has longer range than even the AIM-120, so the Sukhoi could very well be the first to launch those missiles and force the F-16 to begin the fight by evading, while the Sukhoi keeps spamming missiles. That is a tough spot to be in for a Ukrainian pilot fresh out of pilot school. https://www.eurasiantimes.com/russian-su-35-uses-never-used-before-r37-m-air-to-air-missile The Ukrainian pilots would be fighting an uphill battle vs the Russian air force. Losses will be unavoidable when fighting a peer, and likely significant. And if we are talking a few dozen F-16s, that will not be enough to turn the tide when the Russians can field several hundred Sukhoi variants. You are right that Russia is using them sparingly, but they are available when they need them against NATO jets. To be frank, the F-15 would likely be a more appropriate plane to bring the fight to the Sukhois, but that is not even on the table. I don’t think the F-16s will be going after SUs for a long time. If Mig-29s can survive by being careful, so can F-16s. Ukraine has only lost 7-8 aircraft all of 2023 (vs 60 in 2022) per Oryx. Mig-29s have already been launching HARMS “dumb.” F-16s will do it better and will probably start extracting a higher toll of SAMs pretty quickly. The Russians rely on their SAM coverage. It’s like their minefield doctrine. The SAMs are mines. The SUs are ATGMs. Except in this case the MCLIC (HARM) outranges the ATGM. I'm no AF or ADA expert, but I think a critical difference is that Ukraine will have a shitload of "behind the scenes" support. They will have a bunch of information from NATO surveillance aircraft, their own friendly ADA network, and a bunch of other intel sources we don't even know about. I bet Ukrainian air planners are pretty good, and they have been getting radically better since the war started. After all, mil-mil collaboration with NATO dudes is probably pre-authorized, and just a phone call away. Nobody wants to waste aircraft or pilots, so I am pretty sure that the collaboration and coordination will be pretty tight, for the simple reasons of getting results, and avoiding bad PR. This is in contrast to the VVS, where it's all Putler explaining to his Generals that Steiner's attack on the Pankow district will surely bring everything back in order... 
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Posted: 1/13/2024 6:11:09 AM EDT
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 - 7 S-300/S-400 missiles; - 3 Shahed-136/131 attack UAVs; - 6 Kh-47M2 "Kinzhal" aeroballistic missiles; - Up to 12 Kh-101/Kh-555/Kh-55 cruise missiles; - 6 Kh-22 cruise missiles; - 6 "Iskander-M" ballistic missiles - 2 Kh-31P aviation missiles; - 4 Kh-59 aviation missiles
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Posted: 1/13/2024 6:13:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: fadedsun]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: I'm no AF or ADA expert, but I think a critical difference is that Ukraine will have a shitload of "behind the scenes" support. They will have a bunch of information from NATO surveillance aircraft, their own friendly ADA network, and a bunch of other intel sources we don't even know about. I bet Ukrainian air planners are pretty good, and they have been getting radically better since the war started. After all, mil-mil collaboration with NATO dudes is probably pre-authorized, and just a phone call away. Nobody wants to waste aircraft or pilots, so I am pretty sure that the collaboration and coordination will be pretty tight, for the simple reasons of getting results, and avoiding bad PR. This is in contrast to the VVS, where it's all Putler explaining to his Generals that Steiner's attack on the Pankow district will surely bring everything back in order... I don’t think there are any western weapons capable of hitting the bears that far behind the lines. Maybe it’s time for a modern version of the phoenix. Side note: Anyone have a video of page explaining the differences between the iris t and the nasams? All I get on Yt are the generic spam sites |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 6:15:29 AM EDT
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⚠️ Takeoff of the 1st MiG-31K fighter from Diaghilev air base.
Air alarms have been announced throughout the territory of Ukraine. @monitorwarr https://t.me/monitorwarr/17972 ✈️ 1 more MiG-31K takes off from Mozdok airfield. As of now, x2 MiG-31K are in the air. https://t.me/povitryanatrivogaaa/74960 |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 6:47:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fervid_dryfire: I'm looking forward to video of all that Russian stuff on fire, and soon. Here you are: |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/13/2024 7:27:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Does anyone know the name of the treaty between England and Poland prior to WWII? Again, England seems to be the conscience of the world... Agreement of Mutual Assistance Between the United Kingdom and Poland |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 8:32:28 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/13/2024 9:15:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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Quote HistoryQuote History
 As of 20:00, the KMT presidential candidate #侯友宜 and vice-presidential candidate #趙少康 spoke to voters and choked up. "I respect the people of Taiwan for making this final choice. The democratic choice is for the people to make the decision." At the same time, he also wished his opponents Democratic Progressive Party candidates #賴清德 and #蕭美琴 , saying: "I hope they will not disappoint the Taiwanese people's expectations of those in power."
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Posted: 1/13/2024 9:24:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryInteresting. So if I'm reading this correctly, "democratic progressive" has an opposite meaning in Taiwan as in the USA... A "Joe Xiden" in Taiwan would be the end of their independence. |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 9:54:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Solid gold. One of the best armor combat videos of the war. I agree. Gigantic balls on those Brad crews. Maybe the RU tank was damaged prior to the footage we saw, maybe it was a surprise meeting engagement... The first Brad running up on it, to less than 100M and giving it the business from the rear was epic, right out of Kelly's Hero's. It continued to make hits on the tank as it sped away. No way a BMP could do that. Maybe I was wrong about those fiery explosions...maybe the Brad hit the tank's smoke dischargers which blew up? Then the second Brad comes in like the tank owed it money and makes another few dozen hits. The footage will probably be studied since I don't this sort of combat is in doctrine for any IFV. I wonder why the Brads didnt try using their TOW's? Maybe they didnt have them? Sometimes things happen too fast for the best option but aggressive action can compensate. *I bet there will be some footage from RU sources of less successful Brad. vs tank action :(... |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 10:06:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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Z ABOUT NEW RUSSIA V ❗️It is reported that in the Khmelnitsky region, a dagger hit a command post in the airfield area. We are waiting for information on the Kirovograd region. There is either Belyaevka or Kanatovo airfield, we’ll clarify. https://t.me/pronorusnews/39336 Whoa. Ukrainian Air Force On the night of January 13, 2024, the enemy launched a missile attack on Ukraine, using cruise, aeroballistic, ballistic, aviation, anti-aircraft guided missiles and attack UAVs. 💥A total of 40 means of enemy air attack have been recorded: ❗ 7 S-300/S-400 anti-aircraft guided missiles from the Belgorod region. - Russian Federation; 🛵 3 "Shahed-136/131" attack UAVs from the Kursk region; 🚀 6 Kh-47M2 "Kinjal" aeroballistic missiles from six MiG-31K aircraft (launch area - Tambov); 🚀 up to 12 Kh-101/Kh-555/Kh-55 cruise missiles from 11 Tu-95MS strategic bombers (launch area – Caspian Sea, Russian Federation); 🚀 6 Kh-22 cruise missiles from Tu-22M3 bombers from the Bryansk region. - Russian Federation; 🚀 2 Kh-31P guided air missiles from two Su-35 aircraft (launch area – occupied Kherson Region); 🚀 4 Kh-59 guided air missiles from two Su-34 aircraft (launch area - Bryansk region - Russian Federation). As a result of combat work by the forces and means of the Air Force, in cooperation with the air defense forces of the Defense Forces, the following were destroyed: 🚀7 X-101/X-555/X-55 cruise missiles; 🚀1 guided air missile Kh-59. It should be noted that more than 20 of all the listed means of air attack, which were not included in the downed statistics, did not achieve their goals, as a result of active countermeasures by means of electronic warfare! In addition, the "unparalleled" Russian missiles are getting worse and worse and fly wildly! However, this does not mean that they do not pose a threat, on the contrary! Therefore, be vigilant, do not ignore the alarm, especially with the use of "ballistics". ✊ Let's keep the sky! 🇺🇦Together - to victory! https://t.me/kpszsu/9766
The Ministry of Defense reported on a massive morning attack on Ukrainian military-industrial complex facilities We are talking about enterprises producing shells, gunpowder and drones, the department clarified. They added that the attack was carried out with long-range precision weapons, Kinzhal missiles and UAVs
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Posted: 1/13/2024 10:17:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: grambosc]
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Meanwhile in St. Petersburg
Wildberries employees burned down the 100,000m² (25 acres) warehouse in Saint Petersburg in response to Putin's fascist mobilization raids at the location earlier in the day. Wildberries is an Amazon ripoff.
 Attached FileAnother video:  Attached Filehttps://t.me/beholdisraelchannel/26182 |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 10:17:38 AM EDT
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Air defenses in Tokmak
In Tokmak the Katsapsky PPO is starting up. It’s good to snuggle there, it’s shooting. Ask, perhaps, for cabbage soup with orchatina. https://t.me/gnilayachereha/13692 |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 10:36:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grambosc: Meanwhile in St. Petersburg Wildberries employees burned down the 100,000m² (25 acres) warehouse in Saint Petersburg in response to Putin's fascist mobilization raids at the location earlier in the day. Wildberries is an Amazon ripoff.
Another video: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/481717/Screenshot_20240113_091434_Telegram_jpg-3092399.JPG https://t.me/beholdisraelchannel/26182 The Wildberries warehouse in Shushary, where the fire started on the morning of January 13, was operating without permission, it was not put into operation, Vyacheslav Zakharov, acting head of the regional State Construction Supervision Service, told the 78.ru TV channel. “There was no application for commissioning. They issued a certificate of compliance in 2022, and then the developer himself [submits an application]. In general, they should not have worked with such papers without permission,” he said. https://t.me/rbc_news/87010 “The roof is falling! Faster, faster, everyone is out!” — the first minutes of a fire at the Wildberries warehouse in St. Petersburg. The workers do not yet understand the scale of what is happening and are trying to finish the job (“dump the goods”) before evacuating. https://t.me/astrapress/45985 |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 10:42:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: I don’t think there are any western weapons capable of hitting the bears that far behind the lines. Maybe it’s time for a modern version of the phoenix. Side note: Anyone have a video of page explaining the differences between the iris t and the nasams? All I get on Yt are the generic spam sites Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By GTLandser: I'm no AF or ADA expert, but I think a critical difference is that Ukraine will have a shitload of "behind the scenes" support. They will have a bunch of information from NATO surveillance aircraft, their own friendly ADA network, and a bunch of other intel sources we don't even know about. I bet Ukrainian air planners are pretty good, and they have been getting radically better since the war started. After all, mil-mil collaboration with NATO dudes is probably pre-authorized, and just a phone call away. Nobody wants to waste aircraft or pilots, so I am pretty sure that the collaboration and coordination will be pretty tight, for the simple reasons of getting results, and avoiding bad PR. This is in contrast to the VVS, where it's all Putler explaining to his Generals that Steiner's attack on the Pankow district will surely bring everything back in order... I don’t think there are any western weapons capable of hitting the bears that far behind the lines. Maybe it’s time for a modern version of the phoenix. Side note: Anyone have a video of page explaining the differences between the iris t and the nasams? All I get on Yt are the generic spam sites I don’t think there are any western weapons capable of hitting the bears that far behind the lines. There is, SM-6. Air launching it would give an already known 200 mile range missile even more range. But you need to fly out there part way to use it regardless of the weapon.  It has been reported that after the 2024 fiscal year, the MRC ground-based missile complex will be integrated with a new variant of the SM-6 missile called SM-6 Block IV, which is expected to have a hypersonic (exceeding Mach 5) speed and an increased range for targeting ground and surface targets, estimated at up to 400 miles (740 kilometres). These enhanced capabilities will be achieved by equipping the missile with a larger-diameter solid rocket motor (21 inches or 533 millimetres), replacing the standard 13.5-inch (343-millimetre) solid rocket motor used on current SM-6 missiles, while simultaneously reducing the size of the missile’s fins and stabilisers to fit within the diameter of the Mk 41 Universal Vertical Launch System cells. The SM-6 Block IV missile is also expected to have a more powerful warhead (the current SM-6 missile has a warhead weighing only 140 pounds or 64 kilograms). Maybe it’s time for a modern version of the phoenix. That would be the AIM-120 "D" series, which is publicly listed at 100 miles. Or if you needed even more range, the AIM-260 JATM. Hopefully this page showing IRIS-T and NASAMS will be helpful. https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htada/articles/20230710.aspx#:~:text=The%20IRIS%2DT%20missile%20has,a%20range%20of%2030%20kilometers |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 10:49:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: It only seems to be bothering you, your moaning over it is doing more thread sliding than anything. I'm glad snippets of the crisis in the middle east is included here as yes it is somewhat related. And I don't have to Wade through all the bullshit in the other threads to see it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By ad_nauseam: Originally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By ad_nauseam: This is a totally off-topic, unrelated, different war, different theater, different part of the world not logically connected to the thread. Would you PLEASE create a separate thread for this as this one is already cluttered to the 9th degree? Though they are tangentially related, events like this absolutely do deserve their own thread. The problem is you get a lot of retarded responses in other threads, but "because retards" is not a great reason to keep them here. I'll meet you halfway and minimize these posts to big breaking stuff and keep them inside quotes so you don't have to do a lot of scrolling to get past them. We got to put North Korea here as well and China. They are all friends you know. While at it, why not include Taiwan? Can't exclude them. They are critical to electronics used in Ukraine. Let's discuss all military engagements here in this very thread. In fact I have an idea. Let's just have one thread for all military topics, past and present. This one. Obstinacy is a virtue. It only seems to be bothering you, your moaning over it is doing more thread sliding than anything. I'm glad snippets of the crisis in the middle east is included here as yes it is somewhat related. And I don't have to Wade through all the bullshit in the other threads to see it. Exactly: this is our one-stop shop, and I like it here because I don't have to scrape Russian manure off my boots- like I do in the other threads. |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 10:51:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: I agree. Gigantic balls on those Brad crews. Maybe the RU tank was damaged prior to the footage we saw, maybe it was a surprise meeting engagement... The first Brad running up on it, to less than 100M and giving it the business from the rear was epic, right out of Kelly's Hero's. It continued to make hits on the tank as it sped away. No way a BMP could do that. Maybe I was wrong about those fiery explosions...maybe the Brad hit the tank's smoke dischargers which blew up? Then the second Brad comes in like the tank owed it money and makes another few dozen hits. The footage will probably be studied since I don't this sort of combat is in doctrine for any IFV. I wonder why the Brads didnt try using their TOW's? Maybe they didnt have them? Sometimes things happen too fast for the best option but aggressive action can compensate. *I bet there will be some footage from RU sources of less successful Brad. vs tank action :(... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By Capta: Solid gold. One of the best armor combat videos of the war. I agree. Gigantic balls on those Brad crews. Maybe the RU tank was damaged prior to the footage we saw, maybe it was a surprise meeting engagement... The first Brad running up on it, to less than 100M and giving it the business from the rear was epic, right out of Kelly's Hero's. It continued to make hits on the tank as it sped away. No way a BMP could do that. Maybe I was wrong about those fiery explosions...maybe the Brad hit the tank's smoke dischargers which blew up? Then the second Brad comes in like the tank owed it money and makes another few dozen hits. The footage will probably be studied since I don't this sort of combat is in doctrine for any IFV. I wonder why the Brads didnt try using their TOW's? Maybe they didnt have them? Sometimes things happen too fast for the best option but aggressive action can compensate. *I bet there will be some footage from RU sources of less successful Brad. vs tank action :(... The Bradley's were probably within minimum engagement range of the TOW2B missiles I have seen them using, they need at least 200 meters distance with those. Also, you need to be stationary when you launch them. All hits on the T-90 were from the 25mm gun. |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 10:56:29 AM EDT
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NSFW.
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Posted: 1/13/2024 11:00:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Interesting. After the Bradley's raped the T-90 and it hits that tree at the end of the video, the Ukrainians hit it with an FPV drone. At which point you can see all 3 crew members getting out and running away from the tank. What a ride.
And here is the official video from the 47th OMBr "Magura" from the vicinity of Avdiivka, Stepove village district Where Bradley disassembled the Russian T-90M "Breakthrough" tank, and FPV drone operators finished the job The Ukrainian 47th Brigade released another video of the destruction of the Russian T-90M. It shows that the M2A2 Bradley shot that Russian vehicle almost point blank. It further proves that the attached picture is indeed from the knocked out T-90M, though unlike assumed before it seems that all three crew members escaped. However, this makes the wild-rotating turret even more hilarious. If this wasn’t a malfunction then I can only assume that the gunner or commander were panicking. Either way, that isn’t normal. 
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Posted: 1/13/2024 11:03:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/13/2024 11:04:04 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/13/2024 11:05:27 AM EDT
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The result of two 🇺🇦Ukrainian FPV kamikaze drones hitting the turret of a 🇷🇺Russian T-72B3 tank of the 2022nd model. Dynamic protection was activated, the hit was on the Dynamic Protection attachment module. Allegedly without penetration.  |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 11:06:46 AM EDT
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To put in English terms regarding Taiwan this morning.
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Posted: 1/13/2024 11:15:19 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/13/2024 11:20:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grambosc: Meanwhile in St. Petersburg Wildberries employees burned down the 100,000m² (25 acres) warehouse in Saint Petersburg in response to Putin's fascist mobilization raids at the location earlier in the day. Wildberries is an Amazon ripoff.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/481717/Screenshot_20240113_091935_Brave_jpg-3092408.JPG Another video: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/481717/Screenshot_20240113_091434_Telegram_jpg-3092399.JPG https://t.me/beholdisraelchannel/26182 Wow, that is a MASSIVE warehouse. Amazon sort centers are 300,000 soft or more and that is big. This one is what, about 10x bigger?! I can’t imagine the cost of the building, equipment, and inventory. At least it is likely that no pallets were at risk!! 😂 ETA: 3.5x bigger. I was thinking 300k sqmeters. Still freaking big. |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 11:22:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Wow, that is a MASSIVE warehouse. Amazon sort centers are 300,000 soft or more and that is big. This one is what, about 10x bigger?! I can’t imagine the cost of the building, equipment, and inventory. At least it is likely that no pallets were at risk!! 😂 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By grambosc: Meanwhile in St. Petersburg Wildberries employees burned down the 100,000m² (25 acres) warehouse in Saint Petersburg in response to Putin's fascist mobilization raids at the location earlier in the day. Wildberries is an Amazon ripoff.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/481717/Screenshot_20240113_091935_Brave_jpg-3092408.JPG Another video: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/481717/Screenshot_20240113_091434_Telegram_jpg-3092399.JPG https://t.me/beholdisraelchannel/26182 Wow, that is a MASSIVE warehouse. Amazon sort centers are 300,000 soft or more and that is big. This one is what, about 10x bigger?! I can’t imagine the cost of the building, equipment, and inventory. At least it is likely that no pallets were at risk!! 😂 Apparently the cost in everything being lost is being quoted at 10 billion dollars worth of stuff. |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 11:23:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: The Wildberries warehouse in Shushary, where the fire started on the morning of January 13, was operating without permission, it was not put into operation, Vyacheslav Zakharov, acting head of the regional State Construction Supervision Service, told the 78.ru TV channel. “There was no application for commissioning. They issued a certificate of compliance in 2022, and then the developer himself [submits an application]. In general, they should not have worked with such papers without permission,” he said. https://t.me/rbc_news/87010 “The roof is falling! Faster, faster, everyone is out!” — the first minutes of a fire at the Wildberries warehouse in St. Petersburg. The workers do not yet understand the scale of what is happening and are trying to finish the job (“dump the goods”) before evacuating. https://t.me/astrapress/45985 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By grambosc: Meanwhile in St. Petersburg Wildberries employees burned down the 100,000m² (25 acres) warehouse in Saint Petersburg in response to Putin's fascist mobilization raids at the location earlier in the day. Wildberries is an Amazon ripoff.
Another video: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/481717/Screenshot_20240113_091434_Telegram_jpg-3092399.JPG https://t.me/beholdisraelchannel/26182 The Wildberries warehouse in Shushary, where the fire started on the morning of January 13, was operating without permission, it was not put into operation, Vyacheslav Zakharov, acting head of the regional State Construction Supervision Service, told the 78.ru TV channel. “There was no application for commissioning. They issued a certificate of compliance in 2022, and then the developer himself [submits an application]. In general, they should not have worked with such papers without permission,” he said. https://t.me/rbc_news/87010 “The roof is falling! Faster, faster, everyone is out!” — the first minutes of a fire at the Wildberries warehouse in St. Petersburg. The workers do not yet understand the scale of what is happening and are trying to finish the job (“dump the goods”) before evacuating. https://t.me/astrapress/45985 That last video looks like it was in full operation versus the official statement (expected lies to downplay the loss). Lots of employees and full warehouse shelves. |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 11:27:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: There is, SM-6. Air launching it would give an already known 200 mile range missile even more range. But you need to fly out there part way to use it regardless of the weapon. https://aviationweek.com/sites/default/files/styles/crop_freeform/public/2021-04/174113536_10216934427306795_1706156476083338582_n.jpg?itok=lJuoS-yX That would be the AIM-120 "D" series, which is publicly listed at 100 miles. Or if you needed even more range, the AIM-260 JATM. Hopefully this page showing IRIS-T and NASAMS will be helpful. https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htada/articles/20230710.aspx#:~:text=The%20IRIS%2DT%20missile%20has,a%20range%20of%2030%20kilometers Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By GTLandser: I'm no AF or ADA expert, but I think a critical difference is that Ukraine will have a shitload of "behind the scenes" support. They will have a bunch of information from NATO surveillance aircraft, their own friendly ADA network, and a bunch of other intel sources we don't even know about. I bet Ukrainian air planners are pretty good, and they have been getting radically better since the war started. After all, mil-mil collaboration with NATO dudes is probably pre-authorized, and just a phone call away. Nobody wants to waste aircraft or pilots, so I am pretty sure that the collaboration and coordination will be pretty tight, for the simple reasons of getting results, and avoiding bad PR. This is in contrast to the VVS, where it's all Putler explaining to his Generals that Steiner's attack on the Pankow district will surely bring everything back in order... I don’t think there are any western weapons capable of hitting the bears that far behind the lines. Maybe it’s time for a modern version of the phoenix. Side note: Anyone have a video of page explaining the differences between the iris t and the nasams? All I get on Yt are the generic spam sites I don’t think there are any western weapons capable of hitting the bears that far behind the lines. There is, SM-6. Air launching it would give an already known 200 mile range missile even more range. But you need to fly out there part way to use it regardless of the weapon. https://aviationweek.com/sites/default/files/styles/crop_freeform/public/2021-04/174113536_10216934427306795_1706156476083338582_n.jpg?itok=lJuoS-yX It has been reported that after the 2024 fiscal year, the MRC ground-based missile complex will be integrated with a new variant of the SM-6 missile called SM-6 Block IV, which is expected to have a hypersonic (exceeding Mach 5) speed and an increased range for targeting ground and surface targets, estimated at up to 400 miles (740 kilometres). These enhanced capabilities will be achieved by equipping the missile with a larger-diameter solid rocket motor (21 inches or 533 millimetres), replacing the standard 13.5-inch (343-millimetre) solid rocket motor used on current SM-6 missiles, while simultaneously reducing the size of the missile’s fins and stabilisers to fit within the diameter of the Mk 41 Universal Vertical Launch System cells. The SM-6 Block IV missile is also expected to have a more powerful warhead (the current SM-6 missile has a warhead weighing only 140 pounds or 64 kilograms). Maybe it’s time for a modern version of the phoenix. That would be the AIM-120 "D" series, which is publicly listed at 100 miles. Or if you needed even more range, the AIM-260 JATM. Hopefully this page showing IRIS-T and NASAMS will be helpful. https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htada/articles/20230710.aspx#:~:text=The%20IRIS%2DT%20missile%20has,a%20range%20of%2030%20kilometers WOW! Impressed with our capabilities and also how much info you packed into that post. Well done sir! |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 11:28:00 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/13/2024 11:28:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: NSFW.
Didn't even bother trying to put on a (fake) tourniquet. Just dropped his gear and shock-walked about 50 steps while draining out from every artery in that shredded arm. His comrades 'didi mau-ed' without so much as a glance back. |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 11:29:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: WOW! Impressed with our capabilities and also how much info you packed into that post. Well done sir! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By GTLandser: I'm no AF or ADA expert, but I think a critical difference is that Ukraine will have a shitload of "behind the scenes" support. They will have a bunch of information from NATO surveillance aircraft, their own friendly ADA network, and a bunch of other intel sources we don't even know about. I bet Ukrainian air planners are pretty good, and they have been getting radically better since the war started. After all, mil-mil collaboration with NATO dudes is probably pre-authorized, and just a phone call away. Nobody wants to waste aircraft or pilots, so I am pretty sure that the collaboration and coordination will be pretty tight, for the simple reasons of getting results, and avoiding bad PR. This is in contrast to the VVS, where it's all Putler explaining to his Generals that Steiner's attack on the Pankow district will surely bring everything back in order... I don’t think there are any western weapons capable of hitting the bears that far behind the lines. Maybe it’s time for a modern version of the phoenix. Side note: Anyone have a video of page explaining the differences between the iris t and the nasams? All I get on Yt are the generic spam sites I don’t think there are any western weapons capable of hitting the bears that far behind the lines. There is, SM-6. Air launching it would give an already known 200 mile range missile even more range. But you need to fly out there part way to use it regardless of the weapon. https://aviationweek.com/sites/default/files/styles/crop_freeform/public/2021-04/174113536_10216934427306795_1706156476083338582_n.jpg?itok=lJuoS-yX It has been reported that after the 2024 fiscal year, the MRC ground-based missile complex will be integrated with a new variant of the SM-6 missile called SM-6 Block IV, which is expected to have a hypersonic (exceeding Mach 5) speed and an increased range for targeting ground and surface targets, estimated at up to 400 miles (740 kilometres). These enhanced capabilities will be achieved by equipping the missile with a larger-diameter solid rocket motor (21 inches or 533 millimetres), replacing the standard 13.5-inch (343-millimetre) solid rocket motor used on current SM-6 missiles, while simultaneously reducing the size of the missile’s fins and stabilisers to fit within the diameter of the Mk 41 Universal Vertical Launch System cells. The SM-6 Block IV missile is also expected to have a more powerful warhead (the current SM-6 missile has a warhead weighing only 140 pounds or 64 kilograms). Maybe it’s time for a modern version of the phoenix. That would be the AIM-120 "D" series, which is publicly listed at 100 miles. Or if you needed even more range, the AIM-260 JATM. Hopefully this page showing IRIS-T and NASAMS will be helpful. https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htada/articles/20230710.aspx#:~:text=The%20IRIS%2DT%20missile%20has,a%20range%20of%2030%20kilometers WOW! Impressed with our capabilities and also how much info you packed into that post. Well done sir! lol, I think it's important people learn about some of our capabilities, we aren't wasting all of that 800 billion we get per year.
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Posted: 1/13/2024 11:31:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: NSFW.
These must be Russians from a civilized area: they didn’t steal his jacket and boots before leaving him behind. |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 11:32:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: Man, that guy has spent some time in front of a glory hole testing his gag reflex. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: Originally Posted By ad_nauseam: Meanwhile, in Mordor. Shaman has become the premiere artist promoting the "Special Military Operation". The armband is very apropos. The lyrics are: Give them hell  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2edDmIb1E8sMan, that guy has spent some time in front of a glory hole testing his gag reflex. |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 11:38:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: Holy shit, that guy at the end turns into "smoldering skeleton in a shell crater" before your very eyes. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Looks like the entire Russian advance was repulsed by FPV drones. NSFW https://x.com/region776/status/1745845981017686342 Holy shit, that guy at the end turns into "smoldering skeleton in a shell crater" before your very eyes.  Attached FileShould have stayed out of Ukraine . . . |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 11:48:40 AM EDT
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Russian media source
 The first footage from the epicenter of the fire at the Wildberries warehouse was published by Channel 78. The first units went inside, including employees of the St. Petersburg search and rescue service. Employees are conducting reconnaissance of the burned area of the warehouse and are engaged in extinguishing the fire. https://t.me/izvestia/158215
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Posted: 1/13/2024 11:52:31 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/13/2024 11:52:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: Folks, don't buy into the hype of the mighty Russian Flankers. Go read about the engagement between Pakistani F-16A Block 15 MLU vs. Indian Su-30 MKI from a few years ago. These Pakistani F-16s are very similar to the version being gifted to Ukraine by various European nations and are among the oldest of F-16s still in service. They totally had the Indian Flankers on the defensive during the entire engagement, getting the first shots and controlling the engagement. And the Indian Flankers are among the best and most sophisticated in the world. Next to the Su-35, the Su-30MKI is probably the best Flanker variant in service. After this engagement, the Indians went to the Israelis and had them equip their Flankers for the Israeli Derby active radar missiles because the Russian R-77 Amraamski sucked so terribly. And the Indians started buying more French Rafale fighters because they came to the realization that western fighters are greatly superior to the Russian shit. And don't even get me started on the much hyped Russian R-37 missile. It may have range but it is designed for going after big, lumbering targets like AWACS and tankers. It isn't a dogfight missile and will fare poorly when employed against fighter aircraft that have good situational awareness. Is this the incident you mentioned? 2 Sukhois vs 8 F-16s? It reads like a small skirmish rather than an all out dogfight. I do not think many would argue that the R-77 is better than the AIM-120. Yet the 3 AIM-120 missiles launched also missed the mark. R-77-1 does have higher range than the R-77 model that India used. https://www.eurasiantimes.com/indian-sukhois-counterattacked-pak-f16-jets-during-2019-combat/ https://www.eurasiantimes.com/india-upgrading-su-30mki-after-pakistani-f-16-outperformed-russian-build-fighter-jets/ While the R-37M would have a lower chance of scoring the hit, it will still force the F-16 to take evasive action or risk getting shot down. Other than the report I've posted about them downing the Su-27 with it, there is also mention of Su-57 using R-37M in Ukraine with a successful kill. But it is hard to tell how reliable these reports are. When the Ukrainian pilot must start the fight dodging 2 R-37M missiles before even getting the first launch, the odds are not in his favor. And the Sukhoi can simply turn around and fly back to Russia, where the Ukrainian fighter cannot follow due to political reasons. Russia has over 200 Sukhois just from the modern variants, not counting the older Su-27s and such. I think we have a tendency to overestimate the impact of Western fighter jets. It is not just a question of technical superiority, but whether they can be employed in numbers to make an actual difference. The F-16 is a good low cost fighter jet, but there is a reason it is being replaced. Rafale/Eurofighter are modern jets with more modern systems. Plus unlike the F-16, they have the capability to employ the Meteor missile, which seems better than the R-37M. Sure, well trained pilots will do well against third world countries. But going up against Russian jets with experienced pilots and SAMs on the ground is a different thing altogether. Ukraine has received modern Leopards, yet was not able to employ them nearly as effectively as NATO forces. USAF pilots also fly way more hours than their counterparts. That will not be the case for the green Ukrainian pilots coming out of fighter school. I do not know how "good" the current Ukrainian Mig-29 pilots are. It does not seem to me that they are making a big difference taking out lots of SAM sites, but I could be wrong. I do hope that the training of Ukrainian pilots is ahead of the reports. Maybe they have lots of trained pilots, just trying to keep it secret until the jets arrive. But from what I see, there is no political will to escalate the fight with Russia. There is little appetite on the West to sacrifice potentially dozens or hundreds of F-16s, while also educating Russia how to best counter them. The reason Ukraine are not getting the fighter jets may simply be because the US does not believe they would be able to employ them effectively and/or are not willing to bear the financial burden of it. That is the decision of the people in power, whether we agree with it or not. I think the only way we'll see significant impact is if a NATO country gets directly involved, flying missions with experienced pilots, which is unlikely. |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 11:53:16 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/13/2024 11:57:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Interesting. So if I'm reading this correctly, "democratic progressive" has an opposite meaning in Taiwan as in the USA... A "Joe Xiden" in Taiwan would be the end of their independence. DPP has a goofy name but it’s not a direct US equivalent that we think of when we read it here in the states. Similar to how confusion over British conservative names in the past |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 11:59:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Interesting. So if I'm reading this correctly, "democratic progressive" has an opposite meaning in Taiwan as in the USA... A "Joe Xiden" in Taiwan would be the end of their independence. Taiwan saw what happened to Hong Kong so they’re not interested in a Joe Biden  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 12:04:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By strykr: Is this the incident you mentioned? 2 Sukhois vs 8 F-16s? It reads like a small skirmish rather than an all out dogfight. I do not think many would argue that the R-77 is better than the AIM-120. Yet the 3 AIM-120 missiles launched also missed the mark. R-77-1 does have higher range than the R-77 model that India used. https://www.eurasiantimes.com/indian-sukhois-counterattacked-pak-f16-jets-during-2019-combat/ https://www.eurasiantimes.com/india-upgrading-su-30mki-after-pakistani-f-16-outperformed-russian-build-fighter-jets/ While the R-37M would have a lower chance of scoring the hit, it will still force the F-16 to take evasive action or risk getting shot down. Other than the report I've posted about them downing the Su-27 with it, there is also mention of Su-57 using R-37M in Ukraine with a successful kill. But it is hard to tell how reliable these reports are. When the Ukrainian pilot must start the fight dodging 2 R-37M missiles before even getting the first launch, the odds are not in his favor. And the Sukhoi can simply turn around and fly back to Russia, where the Ukrainian fighter cannot follow due to political reasons. Russia has over 200 Sukhois just from the modern variants, not counting the older Su-27s and such. I think we have a tendency to overestimate the impact of Western fighter jets. It is not just a question of technical superiority, but whether they can be employed in numbers to make an actual difference. The F-16 is a good low cost fighter jet, but there is a reason it is being replaced. Rafale/Eurofighter are modern jets with more modern systems. Plus unlike the F-16, they have the capability to employ the Meteor missile, which seems better than the R-37M. Sure, well trained pilots will do well against third world countries. But going up against Russian jets with experienced pilots and SAMs on the ground is a different thing altogether. Ukraine has received modern Leopards, yet was not able to employ them nearly as effectively as NATO forces. USAF pilots also fly way more hours than their counterparts. That will not be the case for the green Ukrainian pilots coming out of fighter school. I do not know how "good" the current Ukrainian Mig-29 pilots are. It does not seem to me that they are making a big difference taking out lots of SAM sites, but I could be wrong. I do hope that the training of Ukrainian pilots is ahead of the reports. Maybe they have lots of trained pilots, just trying to keep it secret until the jets arrive. But from what I see, there is no political will to escalate the fight with Russia. There is little appetite on the West to sacrifice potentially dozens or hundreds of F-16s, while also educating Russia how to best counter them. The reason Ukraine are not getting the fighter jets may simply be because the US does not believe they would be able to employ them effectively and/or are not willing to bear the financial burden of it. That is the decision of the people in power, whether we agree with it or not. I think the only way we'll see significant impact is if a NATO country gets directly involved, flying missions with experienced pilots, which is unlikely. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By strykr: Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: Folks, don't buy into the hype of the mighty Russian Flankers. Go read about the engagement between Pakistani F-16A Block 15 MLU vs. Indian Su-30 MKI from a few years ago. These Pakistani F-16s are very similar to the version being gifted to Ukraine by various European nations and are among the oldest of F-16s still in service. They totally had the Indian Flankers on the defensive during the entire engagement, getting the first shots and controlling the engagement. And the Indian Flankers are among the best and most sophisticated in the world. Next to the Su-35, the Su-30MKI is probably the best Flanker variant in service. After this engagement, the Indians went to the Israelis and had them equip their Flankers for the Israeli Derby active radar missiles because the Russian R-77 Amraamski sucked so terribly. And the Indians started buying more French Rafale fighters because they came to the realization that western fighters are greatly superior to the Russian shit. And don't even get me started on the much hyped Russian R-37 missile. It may have range but it is designed for going after big, lumbering targets like AWACS and tankers. It isn't a dogfight missile and will fare poorly when employed against fighter aircraft that have good situational awareness. Is this the incident you mentioned? 2 Sukhois vs 8 F-16s? It reads like a small skirmish rather than an all out dogfight. I do not think many would argue that the R-77 is better than the AIM-120. Yet the 3 AIM-120 missiles launched also missed the mark. R-77-1 does have higher range than the R-77 model that India used. https://www.eurasiantimes.com/indian-sukhois-counterattacked-pak-f16-jets-during-2019-combat/ https://www.eurasiantimes.com/india-upgrading-su-30mki-after-pakistani-f-16-outperformed-russian-build-fighter-jets/ While the R-37M would have a lower chance of scoring the hit, it will still force the F-16 to take evasive action or risk getting shot down. Other than the report I've posted about them downing the Su-27 with it, there is also mention of Su-57 using R-37M in Ukraine with a successful kill. But it is hard to tell how reliable these reports are. When the Ukrainian pilot must start the fight dodging 2 R-37M missiles before even getting the first launch, the odds are not in his favor. And the Sukhoi can simply turn around and fly back to Russia, where the Ukrainian fighter cannot follow due to political reasons. Russia has over 200 Sukhois just from the modern variants, not counting the older Su-27s and such. I think we have a tendency to overestimate the impact of Western fighter jets. It is not just a question of technical superiority, but whether they can be employed in numbers to make an actual difference. The F-16 is a good low cost fighter jet, but there is a reason it is being replaced. Rafale/Eurofighter are modern jets with more modern systems. Plus unlike the F-16, they have the capability to employ the Meteor missile, which seems better than the R-37M. Sure, well trained pilots will do well against third world countries. But going up against Russian jets with experienced pilots and SAMs on the ground is a different thing altogether. Ukraine has received modern Leopards, yet was not able to employ them nearly as effectively as NATO forces. USAF pilots also fly way more hours than their counterparts. That will not be the case for the green Ukrainian pilots coming out of fighter school. I do not know how "good" the current Ukrainian Mig-29 pilots are. It does not seem to me that they are making a big difference taking out lots of SAM sites, but I could be wrong. I do hope that the training of Ukrainian pilots is ahead of the reports. Maybe they have lots of trained pilots, just trying to keep it secret until the jets arrive. But from what I see, there is no political will to escalate the fight with Russia. There is little appetite on the West to sacrifice potentially dozens or hundreds of F-16s, while also educating Russia how to best counter them. The reason Ukraine are not getting the fighter jets may simply be because the US does not believe they would be able to employ them effectively and/or are not willing to bear the financial burden of it. That is the decision of the people in power, whether we agree with it or not. I think the only way we'll see significant impact is if a NATO country gets directly involved, flying missions with experienced pilots, which is unlikely. If you want to keep the engagements simple, as a Ukrainian F-16 pilot, I keep my radar off and fly low in the ground clutter well within the safe coverage of Ukrainian SAM and Patriot sites that will be letting me know when they detect something out there. I'll get some info from the NATO E-3's on where the Russian aircraft are and their headings as well. All I have to do then is stay in the clutter and fly close enough to passively launch my AIM-120 C's at them and then quickly turn away back into the clutter and safety of my own ground based SAM network. Rinse and repeat, any Russian bomber groups trying to fly at medium and high altitude to lob glide bombs is going to get it in the face from the F-16's. Any Russian jet foolish enough to try and go after an F-16 is going to get picked off from a NASAMS or Patriot. |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 12:04:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: The Taiwanese don’t see their situation as separate. They feel a kinship with Ukrainians https://focustaiwan.tw/culture/202401050021  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 12:05:58 PM EDT
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So far no real updates on Patriot Canada promised to donate
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