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So still no collusion? When is this sham of an investigation going to be over?
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If trump pardons him for a crime that the DOJ claims trump had a role in ordering, then that would make things a million times worse for him. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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And I hope Trump pardons him. |
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Could someone give me - or point me to - the executive summary on this “possible Trump Tower Moscow project”? View Quote I think Cohen's just not a very savvy guy in this big-time sort of game, and he's what finally got caught in Mueller's perjury net. Small fish to be sure, but still a fish. The hope was he could be used as bait to land the bigger fish, but that seems to have been a nonstarter. |
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The twisted logic is paying her off influenced the election. Just like Russian meddling. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Can someone explain to me how it's a campaign finance violation to use your own money to pay women that you had affairs with to keep quiet? Does Congress have a slush fund for that exact thing? |
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Quoted: Not a campaign expenditure and it was Trump's own money. Even if it is illegal despite all that, how does being the lawyer that handled the transaction become illegal? View Quote |
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The SDNY is investigating "Russian collusion"? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: https://media.giphy.com/media/10PcMWwtZSYk2k/giphy.gif Add the press release that the SDNY just dropped regarding their non-prosecution agreement with AMI and you can start to see the picture that the Southern District is painting... You now have both Cohen and AMI stating that the dispersion of funds was done to influence the 2016 campaign. And this gets us to Russian collusion how? |
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So you actually can’t even link it together? You are the one declaring seeing the picture being painted. Finish the job Bob Ross. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: https://media.giphy.com/media/10PcMWwtZSYk2k/giphy.gif Add the press release that the SDNY just dropped regarding their non-prosecution agreement with AMI and you can start to see the picture that the Southern District is painting... You now have both Cohen and AMI stating that the dispersion of funds was done to influence the 2016 campaign. And this gets us to Russian collusion how? Do you understand how Cohen's case came about in that district? |
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Can someone explain this whole thing start to finish. So many fucking names thrown around I don't know who is who anymore.
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Again - the SDNY is investigating "Russian collusion"? Do you understand how Cohen's case came about in that district? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: https://media.giphy.com/media/10PcMWwtZSYk2k/giphy.gif Add the press release that the SDNY just dropped regarding their non-prosecution agreement with AMI and you can start to see the picture that the Southern District is painting... You now have both Cohen and AMI stating that the dispersion of funds was done to influence the 2016 campaign. And this gets us to Russian collusion how? Do you understand how Cohen's case came about in that district? |
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Quoted: https://media.giphy.com/media/10PcMWwtZSYk2k/giphy.gif Add the press release that the SDNY just dropped regarding their non-prosecution agreement with AMI and you can start to see the picture that the Southern District is painting... You now have both Cohen and AMI stating that the dispersion of funds was done to influence the 2016 campaign. And this gets us to Russian collusion how? Do you understand how Cohen's case came about in that district? Cohen has been cooperating with Mueller's office when it comes to the SCO's investigation. Exactly what he's given them we don't really know....yet. |
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Well Fox is reporting that the people at the National Inquirer cooperated and the Feds say the payments were made to hide the affairs in order to directly influence the election. If anyone remembers when CNN's Cuomo played the tapes that Lannie Davis brought Trump did mention something about protecting his campaign.
The SD of NYS may have dug up other stuff on Trump as part of the Cohen raid. It may have nothing to do with Russia but it seems they want Trumps head on a platter. The real question is will America sit by as the the corrupt left and DOJ take down a president based on Russian lies to kick this entire thing off. |
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for crimes that he and the dept of justice agree were committed at the direction of the president. You just made a massive jump in assumptions. At no time has anyone EVER admitted that Trumps' pay out on extortion attempt was "a crime". So your entire statement falls flat on the facts. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Eh, it's a bit more than that. The presidents personal lawyer is sentenced to 3 years in prison for crimes that he and the dept of justice agree were committed at the direction of the president. Can debate whether or not either of them thought or knew it was illegal, but happened non the less. Yea Hillary and others should be dragged in front of a judge too, but it doesn't change the fact or outcome. You just made a massive jump in assumptions. At no time has anyone EVER admitted that Trumps' pay out on extortion attempt was "a crime". So your entire statement falls flat on the facts. |
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Collusion?
The only collusion readily apparent is between Cohen and Mueller trying to give Trump some sore of blackeye, real or imagined. |
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Quoted: The real question is will America sit by as the the corrupt left and DOJ take down a president based on Russian lies to kick this entire thing off. View Quote |
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Well Fox is reporting that the people at the National Inquirer cooperated and the Feds say the payments were made to hide the affairs in order to directly influence the election. If anyone remembers when CNN's Cuomo played the tapes that Lannie Davis brought Trump did mention something about protecting his campaign. The SD of NYS may have dug up other stuff on Trump as part of the Cohen raid. It may have nothing to do with Russia but it seems they want Trumps head on a platter. The real question is will America sit by as the the corrupt left and DOJ take down a president based on Russian lies to kick this entire thing off. View Quote |
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Quoted: What he's been charged with in the SDNY doesn't directly involve "Russian collusion". That's why Mueller referred the case to SDNY. Cohen has been cooperating with Mueller's office when it comes to the SCO's investigation. Exactly what he's given them we don't really know....yet. View Quote Under that point, this investigation will never end. Mueller can search for “collusion” on any republican, for potentially forever. Nice to have that kind of job security. |
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Well Fox is reporting that the people at the National Inquirer cooperated and the Feds say the payments were made to hide the affairs in order to directly influence the election. If anyone remembers when CNN's Cuomo played the tapes that Lannie Davis brought Trump did mention something about protecting his campaign. The SD of NYS may have dug up other stuff on Trump as part of the Cohen raid. It may have nothing to do with Russia but it seems they want Trumps head on a platter. The real question is will America sit by as the the corrupt left and DOJ take down a president based on Russian lies to kick this entire thing off. View Quote It seems like SOP at this point, so the feds are wrong. |
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So the argument is that Cohen and the Enquirer made payments to third parties that were intended to influence the election, and therefore those payments are illegal campaign contributions?
How is this different from someone like George Clooney hosting a $350,000 dinner to benefit the Clinton campaign? |
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Quoted: The payments would only be a violation, if he wouldn't have normally paid off whores, but did so because he was running for office and needed to hide it. It seems like SOP at this point, so the feds are wrong. View Quote ETA: this investigation sounds like a lot of desperate grasping at technicalities to me, but what do I know. |
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So the argument is that Cohen and the Enquirer made payments to third parties that were intended to influence the election, and therefore those payments are illegal campaign contributions? How is this different from someone like George Clooney hosting a $350,000 dinner to benefit the Clinton campaign? View Quote |
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What he's been charged with in the SDNY doesn't directly involve "Russian collusion". That's why Mueller referred the case to SDNY. Cohen has been cooperating with Mueller's office when it comes to the SCO's investigation. Exactly what he's given them we don't really know....yet. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Well Fox is reporting that the people at the National Inquirer cooperated and the Feds say the payments were made to hide the affairs in order to directly influence the election. If anyone remembers when CNN's Cuomo played the tapes that Lannie Davis brought Trump did mention something about protecting his campaign. The SD of NYS may have dug up other stuff on Trump as part of the Cohen raid. It may have nothing to do with Russia but it seems they want Trumps head on a platter. The real question is will America sit by as the the corrupt left and DOJ take down a president based on Russian lies to kick this entire thing off. View Quote |
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So they couldn't prove Russian collusion so now they are moving the ball and trying to get him on campaign finance. Is that correct? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Trump has proven capable of multitasking when it comes to committing crimes.
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Clinton foundation lawyer, Jeannie Rhee says Cohen is cooperating with russia-related investigation. Lol Way to go Jake Flapper, concealing her identity. Eta: This tells me the special counsel, Clinton defense team, is worried about Clinton foundation crimes committed. |
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I wonder if Trump could get a hold of the documents pertaining to the millions that have been paid out to the sexual "conquests" of various congress-critters still in office.
Anyone with any sense at all knows those peeps were paid-off to keep the congress-critter in office. |
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How did Trump ever get hooked up with this stump? View Quote ETA: Representing the President personally is usually a dream gig that every white shoes firm fights for. There's a reason Trump is stuck with has-been dregs of the legal world like Sekelow and Rudy. |
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So spending your money to pay off a whore is an illegal campaign contribution, because it was spent to influence the election? Would that make the money spent by Hillary on the dossier illegal, and for that matter any money spent by the campaign illegal, cause it's all being spent to influence the election?
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He's a clown that doesn't listen to legal advice and doesn't pay his bills - would you work for him? ETA: Representing the President personally is usually a dream gig that every white shoes firm fights for. There's a reason Trump is stuck with has-been dregs of the legal world like Sekelow and Rudy. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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How did Trump ever get hooked up with this stump? ETA: Representing the President personally is usually a dream gig that every white shoes firm fights for. There's a reason Trump is stuck with has-been dregs of the legal world like Sekelow and Rudy. |
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Remember Trump never actually wrote a check to Stormy. He paid Cohen a $30,000 monthly retainer fee. So when this came up Trump said to Cohen take care of it for him. Cohen didn't have any money to take care of it so he took out a 2nd on his house to payoff Stormy. Stormy of all things was the one actually trying to effect the election with extortion, not Trump.
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Trump has proven capable of multitasking when it comes to committing crimes.
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Thanks to Tapper for narrowing down the Jeannie Rhee. First mentioned, I did not know if it was special council Rhee, or the Jeanne Rhee that served the CLINTON FOUNDATION. |
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So spending your money to pay off a whore is an illegal campaign contribution, because it was spent to influence the election? Would that make the money spent by Hillary on the dossier illegal, and for that matter any money spent by the campaign illegal, cause it's all being spent to influence the election? View Quote |
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Is this why special counsel teams end up with politically biased investigators and Clinton sycophant prosecutors? View Quote Still nothing on Hillary's emails, etc. |
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Nice drive-by shit slinging. What crimes was committed? Please list them by the date they were committed, thanks. Thanks to Tapper for narrowing down the Jeannie Rhee. First mentioned, I did not know if it was special council Rhee, or the Jeanne Rhee that served the CLINTON FOUNDATION. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Thanks to Tapper for narrowing down the Jeannie Rhee. First mentioned, I did not know if it was special council Rhee, or the Jeanne Rhee that served the CLINTON FOUNDATION. You still seem unable to understand the difference between the SDNY's role in this matter and the SCO's. Rhee was in court to explain how Cohen has been cooperating with Mueller's investigation. The actual charges are being handled through the SDNY. |
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All expenses have to be disclosed. This was not View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Quoted: Expenses paid with campaign funds have to be disclosed. Was this paid for with campaign funds or with the monthly retainer Trump had been paying him for exactly these types of circumstances? View Quote |
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My questions is how in the hell under a Republican controlled congress, as well as Trump's own Justice Department was this allowed to happen? Still nothing on Hillary's emails, etc. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Is this why special counsel teams end up with politically biased investigators and Clinton sycophant prosecutors? Still nothing on Hillary's emails, etc. When the tippy top levels of government are lawless and corrupt, this is what happens. |
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Unconstitutional appointment of Mueller and the most corrupt DOJ in US history under Obama. When the tippy top levels of government are lawless and corrupt, this is what happens. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Is this why special counsel teams end up with politically biased investigators and Clinton sycophant prosecutors? Still nothing on Hillary's emails, etc. When the tippy top levels of government are lawless and corrupt, this is what happens. I think Trump underestimated just how deep and wide the swamp's control is. If he's not careful I'm afraid they'll keep digging until they find something to string him up by. Not that they'll really do anything to him (well they probably will impeach him but so what, he'll stay in office). |
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I believe the justice department is rotten to the core, largely stemming from 8 years under Obama. I still find it frustrating that all of this has been allowed to take place and go on under Trump's authority and Republican controlled House and Senate. I think Trump underestimated just how deep and wide the swamp's control is. If he's not careful I'm afraid they'll keep digging until they find something to string him up by. Not that they'll really do anything to him (well they probably will impeach him but so what, he'll stay in office). View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Is this why special counsel teams end up with politically biased investigators and Clinton sycophant prosecutors? Still nothing on Hillary's emails, etc. When the tippy top levels of government are lawless and corrupt, this is what happens. I think Trump underestimated just how deep and wide the swamp's control is. If he's not careful I'm afraid they'll keep digging until they find something to string him up by. Not that they'll really do anything to him (well they probably will impeach him but so what, he'll stay in office). |
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Obama had a $3M campaign finance violation and was only fined $300K.
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Can someone explain to me how it's a campaign finance violation to use your own money to pay women that you had affairs with to keep quiet? Does Congress have a slush fund for that exact thing? View Quote |
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Obama had a $3M campaign finance violation and was only fined $300K. View Quote I listened to Judge Napalatano lay this all out. Basically what the campaign did (paying off whores to STFU) amounts to felony level campaign finance law violation. And Trump directing people to pay off said whores makes him copiable and makes it a conspiracy (an additional crime in and of itself). The way this goes may not end well for Trump. Impeachment may be an achievable goal. All the dems and a bunch of RINOs (especially the holy roller types may be game for this given the nature of the offense). IMO, that is the cold, hard truth of this. Not saying I like/agree with it, just that it could very well happen. My wish would be that it turns into an "everybody burns" moment where both sides of the aisle feel the pain as all the corrupt go down in flames but you know that isn't gonna happen. The Clintons, Obamas and all the other notable dems will ride through this unscathed. |
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Does anybody have the FBI #? There was a guy running for coroner, and he paid a shit ton of money for these signs. The signs, in my expert opinion, were trying to influence voting. View Quote What you can't do, however, is pay people off to influence an election and not RRPORT the payments on your campaign finance report. If they had reported the payments as payments to "Essential Consultants, LLC" or whatever proxy company Cohen had registered as "legal services" or "legal settlement fees" or something like that there wouldn't be any issue. In short, the issue isn't paying someone to influence an election. That's literally politics at its core. The issue is raising or spending money that you don't report. It would be no different than if Trump had taken a 120k campaign donation and didn't disclose it on his campaign finance reports. One, it would be in excess of the contribution caps mandated by law, and two it would be illegally concealing that you received the funds. Part of Cohen's issue is that he FRONTED the money and in doing so broke the contributions cap. Being reimbursed after the fact doesn't change that because the spending was never legally reported before being discovered. Whether people have a problem with Trump paying off whores or not isn't at issue. Personally, I don't give a shit. But you cannot spend money to influence an election and not report it. That's goes for any campaign, PAC, or non-profit out there. Trump isn't being singled out - - people are prosecuted for concealing donations or not reporting spending all the time. Generally, these cases never make it to the criminal level because if a violation is uncovered the violating party typically files an updated campaign finance report and pays a negotiated fine. Trump refused to do that, and instead worked with Cohen to keep the payments hidden. That's why it becomes criminal and isn't like other cases where the campaign or candidate can simply amend their report, say mea culpa, and pay a fine. If you go to extraordinary lengths to conceal the payments, refuse to admit the payments happened until a search warrant uncovers evidence of the payment during a search of your attorney's office, and a tape made by your attorney is discovered, in which you and your attorney conspire to conceal the payment and source of the funds, then the door is closed on a voluntary settlement. Especially since Trump continues to deny that it was a campaign related expenditure even though he's on tape implying otherwise. Finally, Trump eventually did disclose the payment in an official filing, but it was on his mandatory ethics form for being President (where you list assets and liabilities), was done after the Cohen raid, and totally prevents a voluntary settlement because he's still trying to claim it wasn't a campaign expenditure. Trump, more or less, did a version of OJ's "If I did it..." by claiming he didn't do it, but if he did, it was simply a private matter not related to the campaign, but if it was actually a campaign expenditure it was OK because he's allowed to contribute as much money to his own campaign he wants. The obvious flaw being that Cohen paid the money and not Trump, and so Trump's public statements and ethics form are actually self-incriminating instead of being exculpatory. |
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