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Can someone explain to me how it's a campaign finance violation to use your own money to pay women that you had affairs with to keep quiet? Does Congress have a slush fund for that exact thing?  |
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Trump is now on the record of having paid off multiple women to conceal affairs - I wonder what impact that will have on the backing of his conservative Christian base. I didn’t vote for Trump cause I didn’t think he could make whores pay him to fuck them, and thus wasn’t the greatest deal maker. He just recently showed he could. As a conservative Christian I will vote for him now. |
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So the argument is that Cohen and the Enquirer made payments to third parties that were intended to influence the election, and therefore those payments are illegal campaign contributions? How is this different from someone like George Clooney hosting a $350,000 dinner to benefit the Clinton campaign? |
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All of the Cohen plea agreement documents can be found here. You still seem unable to understand the difference between the SDNY's role in this matter and the SCO's. Rhee was in court to explain how Cohen has been cooperating with Mueller's investigation. The actual charges are being handled through the SDNY. Quoted:
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Thanks to Tapper for narrowing down the Jeannie Rhee. First mentioned, I did not know if it was special council Rhee, or the Jeanne Rhee that served the CLINTON FOUNDATION. You still seem unable to understand the difference between the SDNY's role in this matter and the SCO's. Rhee was in court to explain how Cohen has been cooperating with Mueller's investigation. The actual charges are being handled through the SDNY. And I understand the roles being played. Partisan Mueller found shit on Cohen, not related to “collusion”, and sent it to SDNY for prosecution. SDNY has a partisan hard on for Trump. A partisan lawyer for Mueller is saying glorious things about Cohen. |
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I wonder if Trump could get a hold of the documents pertaining to the millions that have been paid out to the sexual "conquests" of various congress-critters still in office. Anyone with any sense at all knows those peeps were paid-off to keep the congress-critter in office. Slow clap. |
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Quoted: I think people are missing a key point. It wasn't illegal to pay whores off to influence the election. You can absolutely do that as much as you want as Trump had clearly done in the past. What you can't do, however, is pay people off to influence an election and not RRPORT the payments on your campaign finance report. If they had reported the payments as payments to "Essential Consultants, LLC" or whatever proxy company Cohen had registered as "legal services" or "legal settlement fees" or something like that there wouldn't be any issue. In short, the issue isn't paying someone to influence an election. That's literally politics at its core. The issue is raising or spending money that you don't report. It would be no different than if Trump had taken a 120k campaign donation and didn't disclose it on his campaign finance reports. One, it would be in excess of the contribution caps mandated by law, and two it would be illegally concealing that you received the funds. Part of Cohen's issue is that he FRONTED the money and in doing so broke the contributions cap. Being reimbursed after the fact doesn't change that because the spending was never legally reported before being discovered. Whether people have a problem with Trump paying off whores or not isn't at issue. Personally, I don't give a shit. But you cannot spend money to influence an election and not report it. That's goes for any campaign, PAC, or non-profit out there. Trump isn't being singled out - - people are prosecuted for concealing donations or not reporting spending all the time. Generally, these cases never make it to the criminal level because if a violation is uncovered the violating party typically files an updated campaign finance report and pays a negotiated fine. Trump refused to do that, and instead worked with Cohen to keep the payments hidden. That's why it becomes criminal and isn't like other cases where the campaign or candidate can simply amend their report, say mea culpa, and pay a fine. If you go to extraordinary lengths to conceal the payments, refuse to admit the payments happened until a search warrant uncovers evidence of the payment during a search of your attorney's office, and a tape made by your attorney is discovered, in which you and your attorney conspire to conceal the payment and source of the funds, then the door is closed on a voluntary settlement. Especially since Trump continues to deny that it was a campaign related expenditure even though he's on tape implying otherwise. Finally, Trump eventually did disclose the payment in an official filing, but it was on his mandatory ethics form for being President (where you list assets and liabilities), was done after the Cohen raid, and totally prevents a voluntary settlement because he's still trying to claim it wasn't a campaign expenditure. Trump, more or less, did a version of OJ's "If I did it..." by claiming he didn't do it, but if he did, it was simply a private matter not related to the campaign, but if it was actually a campaign expenditure it was OK because he's allowed to contribute as much money to his own campaign he wants. The obvious flaw being that Cohen paid the money and not Trump, and so Trump's public statements and ethics form are actually self-incriminating instead of being exculpatory. If Trump tower was going to be foreclosed, it would hurt his chances of being elected. However, paying the loan payment doesn't violate campaign finance laws, because even if he wasn't running, he would make these payments anyway. Similarly, he seems to have a long history of banging hookers. Had this come out, regardless of if he were running for office, it could negatively impact his business and personal life. The odds are he would have made these payments either way--and probably has done so in the past. |
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Kinda. But, how will they prove the payments were made only to influence the election? If Trump tower was going to be foreclosed, it would hurt his chances of being elected. However, paying the loan payment doesn't violate campaign finance laws, because even if he wasn't running, he would make these payments anyway. Similarly, he seems to have a long history of banging hookers. Had this come out, regardless of if he were running for office, it could negatively impact his business and personal life. The odds are he would have made these payments either way--and probably has done so in the past. At this point, theres no real wiggle room. Crimes were committed, some one is going to jail and he's implicated the president on his way there. It seems unlikely that that means Trump goes to jail, or even gets impeached, but it sure as shit doesn't help him. |
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The people who made the payments, Cohen and AMI, have said that the payments were made to influence the election done at the direction of the president and in a way that was meant to hide them because everyone involved knew it was illegal. There is, undoubtedly, evidence to back all this up. At this point, theres no real wiggle room. Crimes were committed, some one is going to jail and he's implicated the president on his way there. It seems unlikely that that means Trump goes to jail, or even gets impeached, but it sure as shit doesn't help him. Quoted:
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Kinda. But, how will they prove the payments were made only to influence the election? If Trump tower was going to be foreclosed, it would hurt his chances of being elected. However, paying the loan payment doesn't violate campaign finance laws, because even if he wasn't running, he would make these payments anyway. Similarly, he seems to have a long history of banging hookers. Had this come out, regardless of if he were running for office, it could negatively impact his business and personal life. The odds are he would have made these payments either way--and probably has done so in the past. At this point, theres no real wiggle room. Crimes were committed, some one is going to jail and he's implicated the president on his way there. It seems unlikely that that means Trump goes to jail, or even gets impeached, but it sure as shit doesn't help him. |
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The people who made the payments, Cohen and AMI, have said that the payments were made to influence the election done at the direction of the president and in a way that was meant to hide them because everyone involved knew it was illegal. There is, undoubtedly, evidence to back all this up. At this point, theres no real wiggle room. Crimes were committed, some one is going to jail and he's implicated the president on his way there. It seems unlikely that that means Trump goes to jail, or even gets impeached, but it sure as shit doesn't help him. Quoted:
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Kinda. But, how will they prove the payments were made only to influence the election? If Trump tower was going to be foreclosed, it would hurt his chances of being elected. However, paying the loan payment doesn't violate campaign finance laws, because even if he wasn't running, he would make these payments anyway. Similarly, he seems to have a long history of banging hookers. Had this come out, regardless of if he were running for office, it could negatively impact his business and personal life. The odds are he would have made these payments either way--and probably has done so in the past. At this point, theres no real wiggle room. Crimes were committed, some one is going to jail and he's implicated the president on his way there. It seems unlikely that that means Trump goes to jail, or even gets impeached, but it sure as shit doesn't help him. Prove that he hid them, because they were illegal, vs. He didn't want to get caught banging horse face... it happens... we can all relate. Agree. Very unlikely he would go to jail. |
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Just because Cohen and AMI say something, doesn't make it a fact. They would need to prove it. Prove that he hid them, because they were illegal, vs. He didn't want to get caught banging horse face... it happens... we can all relate. Agree. Very unlikely he would go to jail. Quoted:
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Kinda. But, how will they prove the payments were made only to influence the election? If Trump tower was going to be foreclosed, it would hurt his chances of being elected. However, paying the loan payment doesn't violate campaign finance laws, because even if he wasn't running, he would make these payments anyway. Similarly, he seems to have a long history of banging hookers. Had this come out, regardless of if he were running for office, it could negatively impact his business and personal life. The odds are he would have made these payments either way--and probably has done so in the past. At this point, theres no real wiggle room. Crimes were committed, some one is going to jail and he's implicated the president on his way there. It seems unlikely that that means Trump goes to jail, or even gets impeached, but it sure as shit doesn't help him. Prove that he hid them, because they were illegal, vs. He didn't want to get caught banging horse face... it happens... we can all relate. Agree. Very unlikely he would go to jail. How can he be used as a witness when he's been shown by the courts to be a liar? |
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Kinda. But, how will they prove the payments were made only to influence the election? If Trump tower was going to be foreclosed, it would hurt his chances of being elected. However, paying the loan payment doesn't violate campaign finance laws, because even if he wasn't running, he would make these payments anyway. Similarly, he seems to have a long history of banging hookers. Had this come out, regardless of if he were running for office, it could negatively impact his business and personal life. The odds are he would have made these payments either way--and probably has done so in the past. At this point, theres no real wiggle room. Crimes were committed, some one is going to jail and he's implicated the president on his way there. It seems unlikely that that means Trump goes to jail, or even gets impeached, but it sure as shit doesn't help him. Prove that he hid them, because they were illegal, vs. He didn't want to get caught banging horse face... it happens... we can all relate. Agree. Very unlikely he would go to jail. How can he be used as a witness when he's been shown by the courts to be a liar? The National Enquirer. 
 
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Obviously you've forgot that they have a much more credible witness. The National Enquirer.
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Kinda. But, how will they prove the payments were made only to influence the election? If Trump tower was going to be foreclosed, it would hurt his chances of being elected. However, paying the loan payment doesn't violate campaign finance laws, because even if he wasn't running, he would make these payments anyway. Similarly, he seems to have a long history of banging hookers. Had this come out, regardless of if he were running for office, it could negatively impact his business and personal life. The odds are he would have made these payments either way--and probably has done so in the past. At this point, theres no real wiggle room. Crimes were committed, some one is going to jail and he's implicated the president on his way there. It seems unlikely that that means Trump goes to jail, or even gets impeached, but it sure as shit doesn't help him. Prove that he hid them, because they were illegal, vs. He didn't want to get caught banging horse face... it happens... we can all relate. Agree. Very unlikely he would go to jail. How can he be used as a witness when he's been shown by the courts to be a liar? The National Enquirer.
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Trump is now on the record of having paid off multiple women to conceal affairs - I wonder what impact that will have on the backing of his conservative Christian base. Also, how do we know that Trump didn't pay these women off so his hot wife won't find out. Edwards is better. 
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It's in his sentencing. Specifically relating to Trump; one count of making an excessive campaign contribution at the request of a candidate or campaign. Which is a felony. Quoted:
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What crime. Be specific Specifically relating to Trump; one count of making an excessive campaign contribution at the request of a candidate or campaign. Which is a felony. |
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From Trump's campaign money or checkbook? People need to get over the whole 'it wasn't campaign money' line of thinking. The problem isn't where the money came from. It's that they very deliberately hid where it was from, where it was going and why. It's so far past the point that the campaign could claim it was just a mistake or a misappropriation and correct it or pay a fine. There was a deliberate and ongoing conspiracy to cover up what they were doing and Trump has been named as part of that conspiracy. I don't get it; if this really wasn't a crime like everyone here seems to think it was why did Cohen, a fucking lawyer, plead guilty to it? Why did a judge just sentence him to jail for it? |
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It doesn't matter. People need to get over the whole 'it wasn't campaign money' line of thinking. The problem isn't where the money came from. It's that they very deliberately hid where it was from, where it was going and why. It's so far past the point that the campaign could claim it was just a mistake or a misappropriation and correct it or pay a fine. There was a deliberate and ongoing conspiracy to cover up what they were doing and Trump has been named as part of that conspiracy. I don't get it; if this really wasn't a crime like everyone here seems to think it was why did Cohen, a fucking lawyer, plead guilty to it? Why did a judge just sentence him to jail for it? Quoted:
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From Trump's campaign money or checkbook? People need to get over the whole 'it wasn't campaign money' line of thinking. The problem isn't where the money came from. It's that they very deliberately hid where it was from, where it was going and why. It's so far past the point that the campaign could claim it was just a mistake or a misappropriation and correct it or pay a fine. There was a deliberate and ongoing conspiracy to cover up what they were doing and Trump has been named as part of that conspiracy. I don't get it; if this really wasn't a crime like everyone here seems to think it was why did Cohen, a fucking lawyer, plead guilty to it? Why did a judge just sentence him to jail for it? |
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Presumably Cohen made all the relevant communications available. There's always a paper trail and, where there isn't, there are recordings. Muellers office has certainly said its happy with Cohens cooperation, as had the SDNY. In anycase, this is sort of a sideshow that's most significant in how it was used as a tool to get Cohen and the Trump Org. CFO to talk. And, apparently, talk they have. Quoted:
Quoted: Just because Cohen and AMI say something, doesn't make it a fact. They would need to prove it. Prove that he hid them, because they were illegal, vs. He didn't want to get caught banging horse face... it happens... we can all relate. Agree. Very unlikely he would go to jail. In anycase, this is sort of a sideshow that's most significant in how it was used as a tool to get Cohen and the Trump Org. CFO to talk. And, apparently, talk they have. Presumably... There's always a paper trail and, where there isn't, there are recordings. Always? Where are they? Muellers office has certainly said its happy with Cohens cooperation, as had the SDNY. If they were happy, he'd face no jail time. In anycase, this is sort of a sideshow that's most significant in how it was used as a tool to get Cohen and the Trump Org. CFO to talk. CFO? And, apparently, talk they have. When? |
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Do we know the NDA's were so his wife wouldn't find out? Cohen has said that they were to buy the silence of the women so they didn't influence the election negatively for Trump, and that Trump asked for them to happen. AMI also made a payment to another women and is also saying it was at the request and direction of Trump for the purpose of influencing the election. Why the fuck would David Pecker just make that up? These payments end up qualifying as campaign contributions because they materially help the candidate. At that point it doesn't really matter how Cohen or AMI were compensated because they long since missed the train on declaring the fuckup and just paying a fine. Again; it really doesn't matter, at all who paid cohen back or how. What matters is why he made the payments and who told him to do it. Right now the why is, according to everyone involved but Trump, 'influence the election' and the who is 'Person 1'. That means that Trump directed Cohen to commit a felony, and that makes Trump a co-conspirator. Sticking your fingers in your ears and saying 'but cohen is a liar' doesn't mean anything. This isn't going to be a he said/he said thing. The motherfucker was taping conversations and kept records. Now, Trump isn't going to jail for this but you better believe it's going to be real political hay for democrats. And Muellers report is going to come out, eventually, and add to the list of dumb fucking mistakes Trump made because he surrounds him self with the dumbest motherfuckers on earth. |
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It doesn't matter. People need to get over the whole 'it wasn't campaign money' line of thinking. The problem isn't where the money came from. It's that they very deliberately hid where it was from, where it was going and why. It's so far past the point that the campaign could claim it was just a mistake or a misappropriation and correct it or pay a fine. There was a deliberate and ongoing conspiracy to cover up what they were doing and Trump has been named as part of that conspiracy. I don't get it; if this really wasn't a crime like everyone here seems to think it was why did Cohen, a fucking lawyer, plead guilty to it? Why did a judge just sentence him to jail for it? Quoted:
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From Trump's campaign money or checkbook? People need to get over the whole 'it wasn't campaign money' line of thinking. The problem isn't where the money came from. It's that they very deliberately hid where it was from, where it was going and why. It's so far past the point that the campaign could claim it was just a mistake or a misappropriation and correct it or pay a fine. There was a deliberate and ongoing conspiracy to cover up what they were doing and Trump has been named as part of that conspiracy. I don't get it; if this really wasn't a crime like everyone here seems to think it was why did Cohen, a fucking lawyer, plead guilty to it? Why did a judge just sentence him to jail for it? And that's some kind of conspiracy? Lol...please cite the campaign finance law that says this is a conspiracy. |
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Yes, we do know what the NDAs were for because Cohen, the guy who wrote them, has told us exactly what they were for. Cohen has said that they were to buy the silence of the women so they didn't influence the election negatively for Trump, and that Trump asked for them to happen. AMI also made a payment to another women and is also saying it was at the request and direction of Trump for the purpose of influencing the election. Why the fuck would David Pecker just make that up? These payments end up qualifying as campaign contributions because they materially help the candidate. At that point it doesn't really matter how Cohen or AMI were compensated because they long since missed the train on declaring the fuckup and just paying a fine. Again; it really doesn't matter, at all who paid cohen back or how. What matters is why he made the payments and who told him to do it. Right now the why is, according to everyone involved but Trump, 'influence the election' and the who is 'Person 1'. That means that Trump directed Cohen to commit a felony, and that makes Trump a co-conspirator. Sticking your fingers in your ears and saying 'but cohen is a liar' doesn't mean anything. This isn't going to be a he said/he said thing. The motherfucker was taping conversations and kept records. Now, Trump isn't going to jail for this but you better believe it's going to be real political hay for democrats. And Muellers report is going to come out, eventually, and add to the list of dumb fucking mistakes Trump made because he surrounds him self with the dumbest motherfuckers on earth. Quoted:
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Do we know the NDA's were so his wife wouldn't find out? Cohen has said that they were to buy the silence of the women so they didn't influence the election negatively for Trump, and that Trump asked for them to happen. AMI also made a payment to another women and is also saying it was at the request and direction of Trump for the purpose of influencing the election. Why the fuck would David Pecker just make that up? These payments end up qualifying as campaign contributions because they materially help the candidate. At that point it doesn't really matter how Cohen or AMI were compensated because they long since missed the train on declaring the fuckup and just paying a fine. Again; it really doesn't matter, at all who paid cohen back or how. What matters is why he made the payments and who told him to do it. Right now the why is, according to everyone involved but Trump, 'influence the election' and the who is 'Person 1'. That means that Trump directed Cohen to commit a felony, and that makes Trump a co-conspirator. Sticking your fingers in your ears and saying 'but cohen is a liar' doesn't mean anything. This isn't going to be a he said/he said thing. The motherfucker was taping conversations and kept records. Now, Trump isn't going to jail for this but you better believe it's going to be real political hay for democrats. And Muellers report is going to come out, eventually, and add to the list of dumb fucking mistakes Trump made because he surrounds him self with the dumbest motherfuckers on earth. Can this be proven? |
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Have you just not been paying attention? Cohens office was raided. They took out boxes of computers, documents and probably old timey reel to reel tapes. On top of that Cohen has been cooperating with both Mueller and the SDNY since he plead guilty months ago. Most of that was deemed not privileged, meaning Mueller has access to it. From the sentencing recommendation: And Allen Weisselberg, the Chief Financial Officer of Trump Org. was granted immunity in exchange for testimony as part of the investigation into Micheal Cohen. That's a pretty fucking big deal, since Weisselberg has been knee deep in Trumps finances for decades. Quoted:
Quoted: Presumably Cohen made all the relevant communications available. Presumably... There's always a paper trail and, where there isn't, there are recordings. Always? Where are they? Muellers office has certainly said its happy with Cohens cooperation, as had the SDNY. If they were happy, he'd face no jail time. In anycase, this is sort of a sideshow that's most significant in how it was used as a tool to get Cohen and the Trump Org. CFO to talk. CFO? And, apparently, talk they have. When? Cohens office was raided. They took out boxes of computers, documents and probably old timey reel to reel tapes. On top of that Cohen has been cooperating with both Mueller and the SDNY since he plead guilty months ago. Most of that was deemed not privileged, meaning Mueller has access to it. From the sentencing recommendation: “Cohen did provide information to law enforcement, including information that assisted the Special Counsel’s Office (SCO) in ongoing matters. Till then... |
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Quoted: Remove "influence the election" from your post, and what do you have? Can this be proven? What about this is so complex? Cohen plead guilty to it. He was just sentenced for it. He's going to jail. Do you really think that after all the evidence showing that Cohen was a total sleazeball that recorded everything going on around him that he's got nothing to back his story up? That it's just Trump vs Cohens word? That really seems unlikely. If Trump is smart he'll just keep his mouth and twitter shut about it. He can't be legally hurt by it, but it can continue to be a giant embarrassment if he lets it. |
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Yes, we do know what the NDAs were for because Cohen, the guy who wrote them, has told us exactly what they were for. Cohen has said that they were to buy the silence of the women so they didn't influence the election negatively for Trump, and that Trump asked for them to happen. AMI also made a payment to another women and is also saying it was at the request and direction of Trump for the purpose of influencing the election. Why the fuck would David Pecker just make that up? These payments end up qualifying as campaign contributions because they materially help the candidate. At that point it doesn't really matter how Cohen or AMI were compensated because they long since missed the train on declaring the fuckup and just paying a fine. Again; it really doesn't matter, at all who paid cohen back or how. What matters is why he made the payments and who told him to do it. Right now the why is, according to everyone involved but Trump, 'influence the election' and the who is 'Person 1'. That means that Trump directed Cohen to commit a felony, and that makes Trump a co-conspirator. Sticking your fingers in your ears and saying 'but cohen is a liar' doesn't mean anything. This isn't going to be a he said/he said thing. The motherfucker was taping conversations and kept records. Now, Trump isn't going to jail for this but you better believe it's going to be real political hay for democrats. And Muellers report is going to come out, eventually, and add to the list of dumb fucking mistakes Trump made because he surrounds him self with the dumbest motherfuckers on earth. Quoted:
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Do we know the NDA's were so his wife wouldn't find out? Cohen has said that they were to buy the silence of the women so they didn't influence the election negatively for Trump, and that Trump asked for them to happen. AMI also made a payment to another women and is also saying it was at the request and direction of Trump for the purpose of influencing the election. Why the fuck would David Pecker just make that up? These payments end up qualifying as campaign contributions because they materially help the candidate. At that point it doesn't really matter how Cohen or AMI were compensated because they long since missed the train on declaring the fuckup and just paying a fine. Again; it really doesn't matter, at all who paid cohen back or how. What matters is why he made the payments and who told him to do it. Right now the why is, according to everyone involved but Trump, 'influence the election' and the who is 'Person 1'. That means that Trump directed Cohen to commit a felony, and that makes Trump a co-conspirator. Sticking your fingers in your ears and saying 'but cohen is a liar' doesn't mean anything. This isn't going to be a he said/he said thing. The motherfucker was taping conversations and kept records. Now, Trump isn't going to jail for this but you better believe it's going to be real political hay for democrats. And Muellers report is going to come out, eventually, and add to the list of dumb fucking mistakes Trump made because he surrounds him self with the dumbest motherfuckers on earth. Cohen committed a felony on his own, he plead guilty to a non-crime. Trump hasn't plead guilty and cannot possibly be a co conspirator for trusting a lawyer to follow the law. Democrats will make political hay out of Trump's tie color. Mueller better stick to Russian collusion(his mandate) or his report will be thrown in the trash by Whittaker. Sorry your girl lost. |
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The twisted logic is paying her off influenced the election. Just like Russian meddling. Quoted:
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Can someone explain to me how it's a campaign finance violation to use your own money to pay women that you had affairs with to keep quiet? Does Congress have a slush fund for that exact thing? |