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Posted: 3/23/2019 11:10:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2019 3:51:11 PM EDT by Silverbulletz06]
Just enough time for me to get my stuff loaded inside. I waited until the locksmith came to post in case it was my personal error. Apparently the lock mechanism failed completely and now it won't release the bolts. 48 fucking hours old. The pisser is that I went with a good safe company that gets recommended meanwhile my buddies Costco special that is less then half the price of mine is going strong for 5 years.

I'll update but it looks like they will need to drill out the brand new door, open the mechanism, get my stuff out, and either repair or replace.

I will need to call Amsec again. Updates to follow.
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 11:11:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2019 11:12:02 AM EDT by Engineer5]
Keypad or dial?

I just bought a dial to replace my keypad.
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 11:13:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2019 11:14:19 AM EDT by wakeboarder]
How long will it take the locksmith to open it up?
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 11:16:22 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 11:17:24 AM EDT
Shitty safe thread.
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 11:19:04 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By wakeboarder:
How long will it take the locksmith to open it up?
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Long enough to rack up $400 to $800, depending on the model.
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 11:20:28 AM EDT
Did you purchase a warranty with the safe?
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 11:20:36 AM EDT
Sometimes things fail. It's how they respond is what makes the difference. From what I've read here, they seem like a A+ company and will take care of you.
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 11:20:49 AM EDT
That sucks! Post lots of pics as the locksmiths do their work. Always wondered what the "oh shit" manual of arms for this type of situation entailed.
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 11:21:00 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By L_JE:
Long enough to rack up $400 to $800, depending on the model.
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Not my money, Amsecs. Locksmith is replacing it with an upgraded locking mechanism.
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 11:23:53 AM EDT
So was it one of those accursed electronic locks?
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 11:23:56 AM EDT
In before the Day 1 meme.
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 11:24:52 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 4v50:
So was it one of those accursed electronic locks?
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ESL 5.
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 11:24:53 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 9mmmac:p
That sucks! Post lots of pics as the locksmiths do their work. Always wondered what the "oh shit" manual of arms for this type of situation entailed.
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I will depend upon the safe. When the dial failed on our work safe the locksmith had a set of detailed instructions and plans on where to drill and how to open it. He had it open in about 30 minutes.
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 11:25:59 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 9mmmac:
That sucks! Post lots of pics as the locksmiths do their work. Always wondered what the "oh shit" manual of arms for this type of situation entailed.
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I've had to be present while locksmiths were drilling out malfunctioning locks on some big league doors a few times. From what I saw it takes some specialized tools, specialized knowledge, and a lot of hours listening to the drill do it's thing. I imagine a proper gun safe is similar but (hopefully) not as much drilling.
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 11:26:33 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By JustaMerc:
In before the Day 1 meme.
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There will be no Day 2... hopefully.
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 11:40:39 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Silverbulletz06:

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There will be no Day 2... hopefully.
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What kind of badass locksmith brings his own shop lights?
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 12:14:41 PM EDT
Had a new Liberty tip over on the handle they covered the parts I had to pay a locksmith to install. Had the keypad changed to a dial going off his opinion . They replace 2-3 failed keypads a month .
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 12:56:42 PM EDT
Update 1: Locking mechanism has been drilled out, still will not open. Either the relocker is not releasing or the internals are broke.
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 1:02:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DamascusKnifemaker:
I will depend upon the safe. When the dial failed on our work safe the locksmith had a set of detailed instructions and plans on where to drill and how to open it. He had it open in about 30 minutes.
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Originally Posted By DamascusKnifemaker:
Originally Posted By 9mmmac:p
That sucks! Post lots of pics as the locksmiths do their work. Always wondered what the "oh shit" manual of arms for this type of situation entailed.
I will depend upon the safe. When the dial failed on our work safe the locksmith had a set of detailed instructions and plans on where to drill and how to open it. He had it open in about 30 minutes.
same here
had one fail at work
to start with he put a machine on it that ran for a few days trying every combination

that didn't work so he drilled about a 1/4" hole and it was open in a couple minutes
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 1:05:18 PM EDT
Hate to hear about this for you Z06.
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 1:07:28 PM EDT
That must suck. My electronic locked Cheapo Cannon is like 7-8 maybe 9 years old now and its still even on the original batteries.
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 1:14:26 PM EDT
The dial lock on my Sturdy safe has been G2G for almost 10 years.
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 1:18:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DmacRTCo:
That must suck. My electronic locked Cheapo Cannon is like 7-8 maybe 9 years old now and its still even on the original batteries.
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Shit man, you like living dangerously? Set a PM for that to replace every couple years. Arteries are cheap.

Sucks to hear OP- sounds like AmSec is going to make it right though?
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 1:27:58 PM EDT
The first ever thread where we know whats in the safe and can't get it open.
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 1:29:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Traderjac:
The first ever thread where we know whats in the safe and can't get it open.
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Link Posted: 3/23/2019 1:36:01 PM EDT
twoguysandacrowbar.com
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 1:36:55 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Nicodareus:
Shit man, you like living dangerously? Set a PM for that to replace every couple years. Arteries are cheap.

Sucks to hear OP- sounds like AmSec is going to make it right though?
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Originally Posted By Nicodareus:
Originally Posted By DmacRTCo:
That must suck. My electronic locked Cheapo Cannon is like 7-8 maybe 9 years old now and its still even on the original batteries.
Shit man, you like living dangerously? Set a PM for that to replace every couple years. Arteries are cheap.

Sucks to hear OP- sounds like AmSec is going to make it right though?
Mine too lol, you can replace batteries from the outside so I never thought much about it.
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 1:41:56 PM EDT
Amsec and The SafeGuy made it right for me when my ESL5 malfunctioned. That archived thread is from October 2016. Anyways, a bad bunch of locks slipped thru the QA process, and Amsec was very helpful in the end. Frustrating to not get at your own goodies, on demand. Good luck.
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 1:43:02 PM EDT
That ain’t no good...
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 1:46:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Silverbulletz06:
Update 1: Locking mechanism has been drilled out, still will not open. Either the relocker is not releasing or the internals are broke.
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Prepare for the real fun. We had a safe fail like that in the military and it was time for "torch thru the door to reach the locking bars and then burn them in two". They sent us a replacement door with an improved lock.

We ended up replacing the locking mechanisms on all our safes (12 of them) with Sargent & Greenleaf models with all brass internals, because the failed unit used plastic parts to hold the tumblers, one had cracked and the tumbler was spinning rather than locking in when the combination was dialed in.
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 1:49:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MrZeat:

Mine too lol, you can replace batteries from the outside so I never thought much about it.
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This was kind of my thought on it too which is why at this point I've just been curious how long they will last.
Im probably going to be getting a bigger safe this year and was planning on changing them if I gave it to my Dad but my wifes like “why? youre just gonna fill the new one up too and need another one.”
I was thinking about something nicer like a Liberty but shit Ill probably just get another Cannon.
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 1:50:13 PM EDT
Sorry man, that sucks.

I have a Fatboy Jr, been going strong for 6 years and 4 moves.
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 1:51:52 PM EDT
@TheSafeGuy
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 2:06:08 PM EDT
My 1 cu ft Harbor Freight safe is still doing well after 10 years.
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 2:19:35 PM EDT
So my takeaway here is to buy a safe just good enough to keep passing bad guys out, but just crappy enough that you can break back into it yourself if you need to?
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 2:25:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2019 2:26:53 PM EDT by drmgallen]
Get both...



Amsec rotobolt

What type of safe did you get?
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 2:31:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By wakeboarder:
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It will take him longer to get his tools out and put them away than to open the safe. RSC rated boxes be what they do.
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 2:35:45 PM EDT
Electronic locks blow.

S&G dial or go home.
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 2:39:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By drmgallen:
Get both...

http://www.amsecusa.com/product/rotobolt/

Amsec rotobolt

What type of safe did you get?
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If the relocker it triggered, it matters not which type of lock you have.
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 2:40:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CWO:
Electronic locks blow.

S&G dial or go home.
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Single door safes blow. Stay at home.
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 2:54:00 PM EDT
Talk about New York Safe Act!

Sorry OP, couldn’t resist.
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 2:54:02 PM EDT
The cam pin snapped and locked the bolt work at an angle so it could not disengage. Had to drill the side and knock it open with a sledge.

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Link Posted: 3/23/2019 2:55:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2019 2:56:41 PM EDT by Sev89]
Update?

Eta. He posted the update as I typed lol

Glad to see it's open
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 3:02:17 PM EDT
I’d return the clusterflok and get to costco
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 3:10:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Silverbulletz06:
The cam pin snapped and locked the bolt work at an angle so it could not disengage. Had to drill the side and knock it open with a sledge.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/192163/20190323_144418_jpg-887504.JPG

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/192163/20190323_145024_jpg-887505.JPG
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Dang, that sucks! What was the total time to open?
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 3:10:31 PM EDT
So I thought Amsec were kinda a go to for RSC's?

And they had a whole run of shitty mechanisms installed?

Wot?
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 3:11:06 PM EDT
So the failure was not the lock itself but the unlocking mechanism?
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 3:15:45 PM EDT
Front fell off.
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 3:17:04 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/23/2019 3:17:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TheRealGhurkaDin:
I’d return the clusterflok and get to costco
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you say stupid shit but damn thats dumb
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