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Posted: 3/23/2019 11:10:08 AM EDT

Just enough time for me to get my stuff loaded inside. I waited until the locksmith came to post in case it was my personal error. Apparently the lock mechanism failed completely and now it won't release the bolts. 48 fucking hours old. The pisser is that I went with a good safe company that gets recommended meanwhile my buddies Costco special that is less then half the price of mine is going strong for 5 years.

I'll update but it looks like they will need to drill out the brand new door, open the mechanism, get my stuff out, and either repair or replace.

I will need to call Amsec again. Updates to follow.

Posted: 3/23/2019 11:11:44 AM EDT

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Keypad or dial?

I just bought a dial to replace my keypad.

Posted: 3/23/2019 11:13:46 AM EDT

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How long will it take the locksmith to open it up?

Posted: 3/23/2019 11:16:22 AM EDT

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Posted: 3/23/2019 11:17:24 AM EDT

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Shitty safe thread.

Posted: 3/23/2019 11:19:04 AM EDT

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Long enough to rack up $400 to $800, depending on the model.

Posted: 3/23/2019 11:20:28 AM EDT

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Did you purchase a warranty with the safe?

Posted: 3/23/2019 11:20:36 AM EDT

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Sometimes things fail. It's how they respond is what makes the difference. From what I've read here, they seem like a A+ company and will take care of you.

Posted: 3/23/2019 11:20:49 AM EDT

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That sucks! Post lots of pics as the locksmiths do their work. Always wondered what the "oh shit" manual of arms for this type of situation entailed.

Posted: 3/23/2019 11:21:00 AM EDT

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Long enough to rack up $400 to $800, depending on the model.

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Not my money, Amsecs. Locksmith is replacing it with an upgraded locking mechanism.

Posted: 3/23/2019 11:23:53 AM EDT

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So was it one of those accursed electronic locks?

Posted: 3/23/2019 11:23:56 AM EDT

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In before the Day 1 meme.

Posted: 3/23/2019 11:24:52 AM EDT

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ESL 5.

Posted: 3/23/2019 11:24:53 AM EDT

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I will depend upon the safe. When the dial failed on our work safe the locksmith had a set of detailed instructions and plans on where to drill and how to open it. He had it open in about 30 minutes.

Posted: 3/23/2019 11:25:59 AM EDT

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That sucks! Post lots of pics as the locksmiths do their work. Always wondered what the "oh shit" manual of arms for this type of situation entailed.

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I've had to be present while locksmiths were drilling out malfunctioning locks on some big league doors a few times. From what I saw it takes some specialized tools, specialized knowledge, and a lot of hours listening to the drill do it's thing. I imagine a proper gun safe is similar but (hopefully) not as much drilling.

Posted: 3/23/2019 11:26:33 AM EDT

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There will be no Day 2... hopefully.

Posted: 3/23/2019 11:40:39 AM EDT

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What kind of badass locksmith brings his own shop lights?

Posted: 3/23/2019 12:14:41 PM EDT

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Had a new Liberty tip over on the handle they covered the parts I had to pay a locksmith to install. Had the keypad changed to a dial going off his opinion . They replace 2-3 failed keypads a month .

Posted: 3/23/2019 12:56:42 PM EDT

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Update 1: Locking mechanism has been drilled out, still will not open. Either the relocker is not releasing or the internals are broke.

Posted: 3/23/2019 1:02:43 PM EDT

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I will depend upon the safe. When the dial failed on our work safe the locksmith had a set of detailed instructions and plans on where to drill and how to open it. He had it open in about 30 minutes.

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That sucks! Post lots of pics as the locksmiths do their work. Always wondered what the "oh shit" manual of arms for this type of situation entailed.

I will depend upon the safe. When the dial failed on our work safe the locksmith had a set of detailed instructions and plans on where to drill and how to open it. He had it open in about 30 minutes.

same here
had one fail at work
to start with he put a machine on it that ran for a few days trying every combination

that didn't work so he drilled about a 1/4" hole and it was open in a couple minutes

Posted: 3/23/2019 1:05:18 PM EDT

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Hate to hear about this for you Z06.

Posted: 3/23/2019 1:07:28 PM EDT

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That must suck. My electronic locked Cheapo Cannon is like 7-8 maybe 9 years old now and its still even on the original batteries.

Posted: 3/23/2019 1:14:26 PM EDT

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The dial lock on my Sturdy safe has been G2G for almost 10 years.

Posted: 3/23/2019 1:18:28 PM EDT

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That must suck. My electronic locked Cheapo Cannon is like 7-8 maybe 9 years old now and its still even on the original batteries.

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Shit man, you like living dangerously? Set a PM for that to replace every couple years. Arteries are cheap.

Sucks to hear OP- sounds like AmSec is going to make it right though?

Posted: 3/23/2019 1:27:58 PM EDT

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The first ever thread where we know whats in the safe and can't get it open.

Posted: 3/23/2019 1:29:42 PM EDT

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Posted: 3/23/2019 1:36:01 PM EDT

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twoguysandacrowbar.com

Posted: 3/23/2019 1:36:55 PM EDT

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Shit man, you like living dangerously? Set a PM for that to replace every couple years. Arteries are cheap.

Sucks to hear OP- sounds like AmSec is going to make it right though?

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That must suck. My electronic locked Cheapo Cannon is like 7-8 maybe 9 years old now and its still even on the original batteries.

Shit man, you like living dangerously? Set a PM for that to replace every couple years. Arteries are cheap.

Sucks to hear OP- sounds like AmSec is going to make it right though?

Mine too lol, you can replace batteries from the outside so I never thought much about it.

Posted: 3/23/2019 1:41:56 PM EDT

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Amsec and The SafeGuy made it right for me when my ESL5 malfunctioned. That archived thread is from October 2016. Anyways, a bad bunch of locks slipped thru the QA process, and Amsec was very helpful in the end. Frustrating to not get at your own goodies, on demand. Good luck.

Posted: 3/23/2019 1:43:02 PM EDT

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That ain’t no good...

Posted: 3/23/2019 1:46:20 PM EDT

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Update 1: Locking mechanism has been drilled out, still will not open. Either the relocker is not releasing or the internals are broke.

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Prepare for the real fun. We had a safe fail like that in the military and it was time for "torch thru the door to reach the locking bars and then burn them in two". They sent us a replacement door with an improved lock.

We ended up replacing the locking mechanisms on all our safes (12 of them) with Sargent & Greenleaf models with all brass internals, because the failed unit used plastic parts to hold the tumblers, one had cracked and the tumbler was spinning rather than locking in when the combination was dialed in.

Posted: 3/23/2019 1:49:54 PM EDT

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Mine too lol, you can replace batteries from the outside so I never thought much about it.

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This was kind of my thought on it too which is why at this point I've just been curious how long they will last.
Im probably going to be getting a bigger safe this year and was planning on changing them if I gave it to my Dad but my wifes like “why? youre just gonna fill the new one up too and need another one.”
I was thinking about something nicer like a Liberty but shit Ill probably just get another Cannon.

Posted: 3/23/2019 1:50:13 PM EDT

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Sorry man, that sucks.

I have a Fatboy Jr, been going strong for 6 years and 4 moves.

Posted: 3/23/2019 1:51:52 PM EDT

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Posted: 3/23/2019 2:06:08 PM EDT

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My 1 cu ft Harbor Freight safe is still doing well after 10 years.

Posted: 3/23/2019 2:19:35 PM EDT

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So my takeaway here is to buy a safe just good enough to keep passing bad guys out, but just crappy enough that you can break back into it yourself if you need to?

Posted: 3/23/2019 2:25:22 PM EDT

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Get both...

Amsec rotobolt

What type of safe did you get?

Posted: 3/23/2019 2:31:32 PM EDT

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It will take him longer to get his tools out and put them away than to open the safe. RSC rated boxes be what they do.

Posted: 3/23/2019 2:35:45 PM EDT

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Electronic locks blow.

S&G dial or go home.

Posted: 3/23/2019 2:39:34 PM EDT

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http://www.amsecusa.com/product/rotobolt/

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If the relocker it triggered, it matters not which type of lock you have.

Posted: 3/23/2019 2:40:14 PM EDT

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Single door safes blow. Stay at home.

Posted: 3/23/2019 2:54:00 PM EDT

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Talk about New York Safe Act!

Sorry OP, couldn’t resist.

Posted: 3/23/2019 2:54:02 PM EDT

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The cam pin snapped and locked the bolt work at an angle so it could not disengage. Had to drill the side and knock it open with a sledge.

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Posted: 3/23/2019 2:55:57 PM EDT

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Update?

Eta. He posted the update as I typed lol

Glad to see it's open

Posted: 3/23/2019 3:02:17 PM EDT

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I’d return the clusterflok and get to costco

Posted: 3/23/2019 3:10:14 PM EDT

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The cam pin snapped and locked the bolt work at an angle so it could not disengage. Had to drill the side and knock it open with a sledge.

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Dang, that sucks! What was the total time to open?

Posted: 3/23/2019 3:10:31 PM EDT

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So I thought Amsec were kinda a go to for RSC's?

And they had a whole run of shitty mechanisms installed?

Wot?

Posted: 3/23/2019 3:11:06 PM EDT

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So the failure was not the lock itself but the unlocking mechanism?

Posted: 3/23/2019 3:15:45 PM EDT

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Front fell off.

Posted: 3/23/2019 3:17:04 PM EDT

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I once had a safe with an electronic lock that all of a sudden wouldn't open.
I replaced the battery and it still worked just fine for a few days.

I ended up calling the safe manufacturer and they asked what brand of battery I had used.
Apparently the lock is so sensitive that it requires a Duracell battery. no other brand will work.

It seems strange to me, but it was what it was.

Posted: 3/23/2019 3:17:08 PM EDT

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you say stupid shit but damn thats dumb

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