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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:08:29 PM EDT
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Educate me. Tell me about the millions we sent to death squads in El Salvador. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You don't get to say, "We sent millions to death squads in El Salvador ..." Tell me about the millions we sent to death squads in El Salvador. Edit- so I'm not misunderstood I know uxb has. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:13:06 PM EDT
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Show me where we directly did such a thing, aside from our outright decimation of the German industrial machine in WW2. However, I'd certainly think that at this point, the GWOT would've been better fought if we'd treated Iraqi and Afghani cities like Dresden. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:13:17 PM EDT
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it's ok to send money to murder children in El Salvador Tell me about the Death Squads and how we funded them. Who were they? Who did they work for? Who did they kill? What did we get in return for giving them money? |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:15:37 PM EDT
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The U.S. must've sent a lot of money, since their currency is the US Dollar. I guess we sent Ecuador a lot, too. Since they use the US dollar as their official currency. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:16:57 PM EDT
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You were the one saying US Support for the murders of El Salvadoran children was acceptable because they were "communists". That that was simply, "war"....How is that any different than the "war" the IRA was fighting? Dead kids are dead kids. It's wrong, it's not wrong....or maybe sometimes it's wrong and sometimes it's not- Which is it? Under what context is one result acceptable and under what context is it not? I have no problems with anything that happened during our proxy wars with the USSR. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:21:46 PM EDT
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Which IRA? Micheal Collin's IRA? The Post Irish Free State IRA or the Provos? Lots of groups have claimed the mantle of the IRA? It goes back to the Fenians in hte 1870's according to some. 
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:21:59 PM EDT
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So we sent money and training to Atlacatl. I understand that part. Tell me about the Death Squads and how we funded them. Who were they? Who did they work for? Who did they kill? What did we get in return for giving them money? |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:23:43 PM EDT
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I consider Atlacatl a death squad. There were many others, most privately funded by various economic interests (there are some Leftist whack jobs that claim Mitt Romney even helped fund some of them, never really looked into it) that were opposed (rightfully so) to what FMLN represented. What we ultimately got for our support was an El Salvador that was not communist, although recent elections have not been too favorable in that regard..... Dafuq you? My guess is that you're less than 40, majored in some sort of liberal arts, and haven't seen the business end of a firearm pointed at you. Come back with real world experience. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:24:16 PM EDT
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LOL at "They were terrorists." The term "terrorist" has become so demonized that it is basically meaningless now, like "racist" and "Nazi."
Shit, you know who else was a terrorist? Moses. Read your Book of Exodus and try to tell me I am wrong. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:24:35 PM EDT
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Show me where we supported the commie IRA. I have no problems with anything that happened during our proxy wars with the USSR. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:26:24 PM EDT
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A bunch of cunts. The fact that the British were historically a bunch of cunts to the Irish (actually, the British mostly just economically benefited from the Irish upper class being a bunch of cunts to their fellow Irishmen) doesn't make the IRA be something other than a pack of murderous marxist jackals. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:26:31 PM EDT
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You consider? Dafuq you? My guess is that you're less than 40, majored in some sort of liberal arts, and haven't seen the business end of a firearm pointed at you. Come back with real world experience. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:27:33 PM EDT
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LOL at "They were terrorists." The term "terrorist" has become so demonized that it is basically meaningless now, like "racist" and "Nazi." Shit, you know who else was a terrorist? Moses. Read your Book of Exodus and try to tell me I am wrong. 
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:29:28 PM EDT
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I consider Atlacatl a death squad. Who gave them orders? Colonel Monterossa? Who gave him orders? Roberto D'Aubuisson? Did someone just give them a list and some money and say we want these people disappeared? Did the Death Squads fight against each other? Were we giving millions to the "actual" death squads, or just the military? |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:31:07 PM EDT
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IRA has always been a subject that I've been intrigued to learn more about. Sadly it's always confused the hell out me with the amount of different groups and goals. I thought it was about Ireland demanding freedom from Britain but was confused why religion was apart of it.
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Read this. I did my thesis on the IRA and recommend this book to anybody who wants a good overview.https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/56078/IMAG0832-287780.JPG |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:34:09 PM EDT
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You're wrong on two of the three. Why would real world "experience" matter? Would it provide context? I thought we decided that didn't matter. Everything is simply black and white....except when it isn't..... I have experience in grey areas, albeit minor. From the way you're talking, your only experience comes from books and tumblr posts. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:37:32 PM EDT
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So, how did they know who to kill? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I consider Atlacatl a death squad. 
I'd say they chose poorly. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:38:51 PM EDT
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IRA or not, I support the right of the Irish people to resist their occupation- and it can be described as nothing else. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:40:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:40:59 PM EDT
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It would be real easy to kill the neighbor that stole my chickens and say the death squad did it.
Lots of personal scores got settled that way. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:43:38 PM EDT
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It would be real easy to kill the neighbor that stole my chickens and say the death squad did it. Lots of personal scores got settled that way. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:50:01 PM EDT
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Commies to the core. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:50:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:51:11 PM EDT
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https://image.ibb.co/bPkdZ5/plo_ira_3.jpg https://image.ibb.co/hGTe7Q/mural_5.jpg https://image.ibb.co/cgy1Mk/IMG_4144.jpg https://image.ibb.co/jJq3Z5/belfast_mural_wall_5.jpg https://image.ibb.co/hq9Qgk/Belfast_Murals_7.jpg https://image.ibb.co/d85LE5/che_guevara_lynch_640x484.jpg Commies to the core. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:51:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:52:53 PM EDT
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LOL at "They were terrorists." The term "terrorist" has become so demonized that it is basically meaningless now, like "racist" and "Nazi." Shit, you know who else was a terrorist? Moses. Read your Book of Exodus and try to tell me I am wrong. One could argue, that they had every right to do so to end an occupation of their country and that they weren't wholly indiscriminate in their violence. I.e. Their actions were essentially justifiable and they would be honored now had they won. But I'm not buying that they weren't terrorists. Nor as a descendant of Protestant Ulster Scots would I personally make that argument. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:53:23 PM EDT
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Looks like I missed my education tonight. I'm out of here. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/18677/atlacatl_rz-287948.JPG 
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:57:19 PM EDT
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Looks like I missed my education tonight. I'm out of here. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/18677/atlacatl_rz-287948.JPG
For the record I'm on the side of not giving a fuck when death squads go back and forth in civil wars. Shit happens, especially when you're staring down the barrel of enslavement for generations of your descendants. Fuck commies |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:58:14 PM EDT
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terrorist scum, fuck be upon them.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:59:07 PM EDT
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From further reading there were/are numerous factions with quite different religious and political ideologies, which is to be expected I guess with a kind of underground organization like the IRA
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:01:11 PM EDT
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From further reading there were/are numerous factions with quite different religious and political ideologies, which is to be expected I guess with a kind of underground organization like the IRA Except they drank. And got less sun. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:06:43 PM EDT
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http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/5134ee1deab8ea1204000034-1000-673/nirelandderryfreejm.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/312096/IMG_0149-287725.JPG See lots of references in shows and a couple books but don't know much about it Enlighten me |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:09:45 PM EDT
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Next thing will be pregnant pauses. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:18:14 PM EDT
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Depends on which IRA you are talking about. The Provos killed less than 2,000 between their founding in 1969 and their disarmament in 1997, 1,100 of those were soldiers or security personnel. They killed less than 700 civilians, many of whom were associated with militias, the government etc...not exactly "blameless" in the whole affair. That hardly makes them blood thirsty terrorists who murdered civilians at every opportunity. If that were actually the case, the body count is pretty damn small, it doesn't compute.... And I'm not saying the loyalists are blameless. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:22:37 PM EDT
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From further reading there were/are numerous factions with quite different religious and political ideologies, which is to be expected I guess with a kind of underground organization like the IRA |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:22:53 PM EDT
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Those of you who like to read might enjoy an article from The Atlantic from April 2006 entitled "Double Blind". It outlines how the British destroyed the IRA, and the lengths necessary to do so. It's currently free in their archives.
It tells the supposed end of the story, but the major gripe started 350+ years ago. There's a rather deep hatred between many Irish and Brits, and most won't show that to you. I quit trying to understand after 20-25 books on the subject. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:24:08 PM EDT
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Patriots
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:25:28 PM EDT
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Patriots |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:30:10 PM EDT
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LOL at "They were terrorists." The term "terrorist" has become so demonized that it is basically meaningless now, like "racist" and "Nazi." Shit, you know who else was a terrorist? Moses. Read your Book of Exodus and try to tell me I am wrong. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:33:26 PM EDT
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So were AQI, amirite? |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:37:46 PM EDT
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No, those guys are douchebags. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:39:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:42:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:44:31 PM EDT
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IRA has always been a subject that I've been intrigued to learn more about. Sadly it's always confused the hell out me with the amount of different groups and goals. I thought it was about Ireland demanding freedom from Britain but was confused why religion was apart of it. As to groups, there are/were many. As a basic rule, any that use "Ulster" are protestant, any that use "Irish" are catholic. Often, a terrorist group will have a "legitimate" political wing (IRA had Sinn Fein, Ulster Freedom Fighters had the Ulster Defence Force). Loyalists and unionists are protestant, nationalists and republicans are catholic. And as far as goals go, the main goal on the republican side is a united Ireland, while the loyalists want to maintain their place within the UK. Since the ceasefire in '94, with power-sharing in place and once-major players in IRA activities having dinner with the Queen, etc, things have settled down. The UK government has said it will allow Ireland to unite and accept the dissolution of Northern Ireland if a majority in NI vote to do so, and as long as they're no longer getting shot answering the door or getting scooped up with a shovel and dumped into a plastic bag, people are generally satisfied. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:01:20 AM EDT
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A bunch of cunts. The fact that the British were historically a bunch of cunts to the Irish (actually, the British mostly just economically benefited from the Irish upper class being a bunch of cunts to their fellow Irishmen) doesn't make the IRA be something other than a pack of murderous marxist jackals. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:20:23 AM EDT
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I'm on mobile, so I can't see icons, but I'm pretty aware of how AQI acted. Ramadi 05-06. 
It's the "more you know" pic with the star from PBS or whatever channel it was on. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:28:09 AM EDT
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Those of you who like to read might enjoy an article from The Atlantic from April 2006 entitled "Double Blind". It outlines how the British destroyed the IRA, and the lengths necessary to do so. It's currently free in their archives. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2006/04/double-blind/304710/ |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:41:56 AM EDT
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Communist scum who resorted to bombing innocent women and children. They blew up the band while I was stationed in Germany, so was either '88 or '89. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:52:23 AM EDT
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Communist scum who resorted to bombing innocent women and children. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 4:41:41 AM EDT
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Patriots 
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I could go on, but I am just too fucking disgusted. There are a lot of dead Americans due to their bomb making expertise they gave (since the 1970s) to radical Islamic terror groups. |
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