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Posted: 8/23/2017 5:41:28 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/23/2017 6:03:04 AM EDT
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If Ted Kennedy was alive I'm sure he could tell you all the great things about them.
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Posted: 8/23/2017 6:43:17 AM EDT
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Great Uncle was a member. Was an unapologetic communist from what I have been told and was a pariah of the family.
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Posted: 8/23/2017 6:59:39 AM EDT
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Absolutely not but it's pretty fucking disingenuous to say, "We funded the Taliban, organized them, trained them and they made 9/11 possible but THEY WERE OUR TERRORISTS THEN, so it was ok". You don't get to say, "We sent millions to death squads in El Salvador but tisk, tisk, you shouldn't fund terrorism by sending money to the IRA".....Context DOES MATTER and it's NOT irrelevant. When you start talking about modern nation states and groups, NOBODY has clean hands and you account ALL of it or NONE of it. In that context, I'm not blaming the IRA for killing 600 civilians over nearly 30 years of war, some of whom were Government officials, Militia members etc..... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you one of those guys who equates every military action by our nation with terrorism? When you start talking about modern nation states and groups, NOBODY has clean hands and you account ALL of it or NONE of it. In that context, I'm not blaming the IRA for killing 600 civilians over nearly 30 years of war, some of whom were Government officials, Militia members etc..... It is evident is that you really don't know what you are talking about, but claim to have had a pint with some bloke who claimed to be IRA and now you claim to know what you are taking about. You don't. Sorry. You also sanctioned the murder of innocent men, women and children to achieve a political objective, and that makes you a terrorist sympathiser by any definition. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 7:17:38 AM EDT
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Assholes fighting assholes, nothing of value was lost.
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Posted: 8/23/2017 7:21:14 AM EDT
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Educate me. Tell me about the millions we sent to death squads in El Salvador. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You don't get to say, "We sent millions to death squads in El Salvador ..." Tell me about the millions we sent to death squads in El Salvador. Meh.... Commies aren't people so it is all good. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 7:27:10 AM EDT
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Check who actually killed them, not what the papers or the official record says, but the people who were there, they tell a different story. Fuck the Brits! What's the tally, the Brits have invaded all but 22 countries on the planet? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well the Crown did bring about the IRA and Loyalists did start the shit in '69 that brought about the Provo and INLA. People are right when they say a large number of civilians were killed, more than double the number of either the militants or the UK security forces killed actually. Some people just can't govern themselves. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 7:27:13 AM EDT
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War is the same thing as murdering women and children? Show me where in US Military Doctrine that's an acceptable strategy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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War isn't murder, unless, of course, you're a faggot commie. I could be wrong, when was the last war we won by the way? |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 7:28:24 AM EDT
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"In the early 1990s, the Commission on the Truth for El Salvador (UNTC) investigated war crimes during the civil war. Their report concludes that the Battalion was responsible for the El Mozote massacre, the El Calabozo massacre, and the murder of six Jesuit priests. The Battalion was also implicated in the killing of "some 50 civilians on the banks of the Guaslinga river".[4] Human Rights Watch linked Atlacatl to additional massacres not cited in the UNTC report: dozens killed in Tenancingo and Copapayo in 1983, 68 in Los Llanitos, and three separate killings in 1989" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlacatl_Battalion You can believe the Truth Commission report or not but most observers agree that the American trained and funded Atlacatl Battallion murdered hundreds of their countrymen including men, women and children. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The U.S. must've sent a lot of money, since their currency is the US Dollar. This unit was trained by SF and 82nd: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlacatl_Battalion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlacatl_Battalion You can believe the Truth Commission report or not but most observers agree that the American trained and funded Atlacatl Battallion murdered hundreds of their countrymen including men, women and children. Civil Wars are brutal Welcome to life |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 7:32:25 AM EDT
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Yup. Realize that when you're white and don't like the Brits and you're located in Ireland you're sort of limited to who you can be allied with. So who hates the Brits and the west? Those whacky Soviets and their sympathizers and those whacky dictators in the middle East but Lybia in Africa was quite sympathetic for various reasons. The only other supporters are Irish heritage folks in the US who can be convinced that sending money and guns to fight for Irish independence is a good idea. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This 110% Realize that when you're white and don't like the Brits and you're located in Ireland you're sort of limited to who you can be allied with. So who hates the Brits and the west? Those whacky Soviets and their sympathizers and those whacky dictators in the middle East but Lybia in Africa was quite sympathetic for various reasons. The only other supporters are Irish heritage folks in the US who can be convinced that sending money and guns to fight for Irish independence is a good idea. They got support from the USSR because they were leftist suck and the USSR loves stirring shit up in the West. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 7:36:20 AM EDT
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Looks like I missed my education tonight. I'm out of here. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/18677/atlacatl_rz-287948.JPG |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 7:37:37 AM EDT
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This was a pretty good book.
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Posted: 8/23/2017 7:43:49 AM EDT
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The Brits think our founding fathers were terrorist too. But that said, if you side with commies and middle east terror, blow up innocents, I don't have any love for you.
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Posted: 8/23/2017 7:46:45 AM EDT
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I'm alive today because my family were thrown out of Ireland for being too Irish.
My mother's great grandfather was basically aiding and abetting. Casually running guns and people in the country. He was offered exile or transport for his crimes against the crown. Ended up bringing most of his family to America. Dads family over there were (and are still) sympathizers. The met up with a bunch of them for the 100th anniversary of thr Easter Uprising. There's a big difference between the groups then and the groups now. Once you get the Republic and Northern Ireland, thins get complicated quickly. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 7:54:36 AM EDT
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Read this. I did my thesis on the IRA and recommend this book to anybody who wants a good overview.https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/56078/IMAG0832-287780.JPG |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 8:06:22 AM EDT
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Bunch of commie cunts who should have been transported via rotary wing aircraft.
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Posted: 8/23/2017 8:14:38 AM EDT
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Tiocfaidh ár lá
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Posted: 8/23/2017 8:17:17 AM EDT
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Guerilla Days in Ireland to the list of books. The story or Tom Barry. OP- in regards to the rekindling in the Troubles in the early 20th century, Ireland elected a government and the Brits came in and executed them. That sparked the Troubles in the 20's that rebirthed the IRA. The IRA was torn from the start with who was to lead, how to lead, what goals were sought. The factions within the IRA split, siding between Micheal Collins and De Valera. IT gets pretty convoluted. Watch "The Wind that Shakes The Barley"- movie on Youtube. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 8:22:35 AM EDT
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Patriots PIRA had a lot of socialistshitstains but their end game was ending British/protestant discrimination against Catholics and uniting the 6 counties with the rest of Ireland. AQI wants to kill those who aren't muslim and impose their version of Sharia law on everyone. Some background. Bombing civilians is never acceptable. Battle of theBogside The Troubles Bloody Sunday |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 8:27:32 AM EDT
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Yup. Realize that when you're white and don't like the Brits and you're located in Ireland you're sort of limited to who you can be allied with. So who hates the Brits and the west? Those whacky Soviets and their sympathizers and those whacky dictators in the middle East but Lybia in Africa was quite sympathetic for various reasons. The only other supporters are Irish heritage folks in the US who can be convinced that sending money and guns to fight for Irish independence is a good idea. The Irish aren't white. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 8:30:24 AM EDT
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As opposed to the jihadi Taliban scum AMERICAN tax dollars funded in the mid 80s? Which was about the same time we were supplying weapons to our good friends in Iran and intelligence to Saddam? Which was about the same time we were funding Salvadoran death squads.... Context is somewhat important. points of order. 1. The Taliban started well after 1990. 2. If Iranians and Iraqis are killing each other, why is that bad? Shouldn't we keep that going as long as possible? 3. Better pro-American death squads than pro Moscow death squads. You shouldn't repeat communist talking points. Don't channel your inner Tim Kaine. To DK-Prof's point, the provos were communist assholes. Northern Ireland, like it or not, is majority protestant and want to remain in the UK. Any Catholic unhappy with that has always been free to move to Ireland. Yet, somehow, that arrangement is unsatisfactory. You'll notice it is peaceful now but the status quo ante bellum remains. the difference was Moscow (and stupid plastic paddys) funding the IRA has now stopped. Funny how that works. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 8:32:25 AM EDT
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Aren't there just like a couple hundred actual active IRA/Sinn Fein folks?
Kind of like the protesting "Nazis" currently in the news. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 8:34:00 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/23/2017 8:34:32 AM EDT
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Aren't there just like a couple hundred actual active IRA/Sinn Fein folks? Kind of like the protesting "Nazis" currently in the news. Of course. they are an actual political party. Funny how having paper thin divisions between active terrorists and "political" parties was always acceptable as long as they were communist. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 8:36:53 AM EDT
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Assholes fighting assholes, nothing of value was lost. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 8:40:31 AM EDT
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Aren't there just like a couple hundred actual active IRA/Sinn Fein folks? Kind of like the protesting "Nazis" currently in the news. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 8:44:09 AM EDT
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Always have been. IIRC, there was estimated to never be more than like 250 or 300 active PIRA members during the whole troubles. But with fawning media coverage and substantial monetary support. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 8:51:02 AM EDT
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The fact that the British were historically a bunch of cunts to the Irish (actually, the British mostly just economically benefited from the Irish upper class being a bunch of cunts to their fellow Irishmen) doesn't make the IRA be something other than a pack of murderous marxist jackals. Protestants attacked a bunch of Catholic neighborhoods. The IRA (in any form) wasn't able to do much with low manpower and most of their weapons being stored in the South (some neighborhoods were defended). Comments were made in the Catholic community such as "I Ran Away" or "IRWhere?" The RUC does it's normal poor job of policing and shoots some folks. The British Army was sent in and were greeted as heroes and protectors of the Catholic neighborhoods, and were welcomed, since the RUC helped the loyalists burn their homes and the IRA didn't do much. And then the Brits fucked it up. But if they'd done a better job at the start in 1969 none of it would've happened. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 8:52:22 AM EDT
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Ireland elected a government and the Brits came in and executed them. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 8:57:09 AM EDT
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Go watch the videos I posted... Better yet do your own research on Enniskillen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 8/23/2017 9:02:26 AM EDT
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Aren't there just like a couple hundred actual active IRA/Sinn Fein folks? Kind of like the protesting "Nazis" currently in the news. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 9:10:45 AM EDT
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The IRA in most of its iterations where nothing but terrorists, doesn't change the fact the Brits had no business being in Ireland. It the Soviet/Afgian war of the west. Quote HistoryQuoted:
The IRA in most of its iterations where nothing but terrorists, doesn't change the fact the Brits had no business being in Ireland. It the Soviet/Afgian war of the west. Assholes fighting assholes, nothing of value was lost. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 9:15:30 AM EDT
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Google Bobby Sands. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 9:23:15 AM EDT
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The really "funny" thing is that at the start of the latest "troubles", the British weren't cunts at all. Protestants attacked a bunch of Catholic neighborhoods. The IRA (in any form) wasn't able to do much with low manpower and most of their weapons being stored in the South (some neighborhoods were defended). Comments were made in the Catholic community such as "I Ran Away" or "IRWhere?" The RUC does it's normal poor job of policing and shoots some folks. The British Army was sent in and were greeted as heroes and protectors of the Catholic neighborhoods, and were welcomed, since the RUC helped the loyalists burn their homes and the IRA didn't do much. And then the Brits fucked it up. But if they'd done a better job at the start in 1969 none of it would've happened. The British Army arrived in 1969 to keep the peace and basically stop the Catholic community from being killed. The Catholics treated them as saviours. The problem was that the demonstrations by the Catholics for equal rights continued, but the Army had been put under the command of the N Ireland Prime Minister who used them to crush the dissent. PM Harold Wilson later said that handing over control was the biggest regret of his life) That was when the IRA stole their chance to be the rightful protectors. How it evolved in the years to come couldn't be foreseen, as it was with recent forays into the Middle East To keep referring to them as Commies or Socialists is really a weak cop out. This forum has some great members and great and knowledgeable discussions, all of you can do better than to keep trotting out that line |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:30:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:47:46 PM EDT
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Don't kneecap me bro...
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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:53:49 PM EDT
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F-ing commies. The whole lot of them. Piss on 'em.
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Posted: 8/23/2017 1:11:34 PM EDT
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I honestly did not realize that they were commie's but I didn't know much about it before now
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Posted: 8/23/2017 1:13:23 PM EDT
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Sea, beidh a lá ag na Communists... á húsáid as héileacaptair. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 8/23/2017 3:56:05 PM EDT
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Terrorist scum, funded by Communists. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 4:17:33 PM EDT
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No one's day it coming, The people of N Ireland on both sides of the divide are happy the way things are, and if it were to go in any direction, that would be for N Ireland to be its own Nation.....which it pretty much is Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 8/23/2017 4:20:11 PM EDT
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IRA or not, I support the right of the Irish people to resist their occupation- and it can be described as nothing else. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 4:21:39 PM EDT
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Read the book TRINITY
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Posted: 8/23/2017 4:25:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/23/2017 4:28:51 PM EDT
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If NI wants to be Independent, part of the UK, or part of Ireland fine by me. As long as commies are chucked out of helicopters. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 4:35:50 PM EDT
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The original IRA started out as independence fighters then over the next 40 years morphed into Marxist terrorists, PIRA split off from IRA in part due to the IRA's increasingly Marxist beliefs but eventually got in bed with commies to get the weapons they needed.
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Posted: 8/23/2017 4:38:34 PM EDT
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If NI wants to be Independent, part of the UK, or part of Ireland fine by me. As long as commies are chucked out of helicopters. I'll gladly do my part if you do yours. 
The troubles is a complicated mess and I am no where near an expert on that. 
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Posted: 8/23/2017 4:39:12 PM EDT
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The Brits think our founding fathers were terrorist too. But that said, if you side with commies and middle east terror, blow up innocents, I don't have any love for you. 
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Posted: 8/23/2017 4:39:18 PM EDT
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This is the most correct post in this thread The British Army arrived in 1969 to keep the peace and basically stop the Catholic community from being killed. The Catholics treated them as saviours. The problem was that the demonstrations by the Catholics for equal rights continued, but the Army had been put under the command of the N Ireland Prime Minister who used them to crush the dissent. PM Harold Wilson later said that handing over control was the biggest regret of his life) That was when the IRA stole their chance to be the rightful protectors. How it evolved in the years to come couldn't be foreseen, as it was with recent forays into the Middle East To keep referring to them as Commies or Socialists is really a weak cop out. This forum has some great members and great and knowledgeable discussions, all of you can do better than to keep trotting out that line
Like I typed earlier the IRA wouldn't exist without British rule and the Provo and INLA wouldn't have existed without loyalist violence in '69. I have heard that things are heating up a little again in regards to the cease fire, is it Brexit related? |
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