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Posted: 6/19/2020 7:24:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where is that coupon good for? Brownells? AR15COM18 is good at KEArms.com for 15% off |
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Posted: 6/19/2020 8:42:45 PM EDT
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Russell, are we going to see some OD green versions?
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Posted: 6/19/2020 9:07:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe I'm a little slow.....is this the new GWAC MkIII? No. GWACS folded. KE Ams improved the design w/ a better pistol grip. |
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Posted: 6/19/2020 9:15:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The MK1's were bolted together right? Pics?   They're almost collectors items now Motown_Steve gave me one but I can't find where I put it right now. |
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Posted: 6/19/2020 9:17:52 PM EDT
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I’m a CavArms Lowe fan. I wonder what this one will weigh in at.
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Posted: 6/19/2020 9:23:04 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: AR15COM18 is good at KEArms.com for 15% off |
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Posted: 6/19/2020 9:32:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's the fire control pocket look like? Like a regular fire control pocket with radius's and drafts to be releasable out of a mold. The outside is reinforced. |
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Posted: 6/20/2020 10:24:36 AM EDT
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I'll be picking at least one up
I like the old GWACS I have on my 18" lightweight hunting rig and this is just a modern improvement.
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Posted: 6/20/2020 10:33:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Like a regular fire control pocket with radius's and drafts to be releasable out of a mold. The outside is reinforced. What’s the weight of this lower compared to a Mk2? |
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Posted: 6/20/2020 11:11:44 AM EDT
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So no product yet and still making or adjusting the molds. After that still need to evaluate what’s comes out of the molds and may need further mods.
I wonder when an actual product for sale will be available. Also no news on what the buttplate that comes with it will look like or what size it will be. If the stock with a plate are longer than an A1 I’m out. |
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Posted: 6/20/2020 11:33:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What’s the weight of this lower compared to a Mk2? We won’t have actual weights until we weigh one after the molds are complete. We can estimate, but if I publish something that’s off by half anounce people will say they were mislead. |
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Posted: 6/20/2020 11:37:28 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So no product yet and still making or adjusting the molds. After that still need to evaluate what’s comes out of the molds and may need further mods. I wonder when an actual product for sale will be available. Also no news on what the buttplate that comes with it will look like or what size it will be. If the stock with a plate are longer than an A1 I’m out. The stock is A1 length. Final buttplate design to be determined. It accepts any A1 or A2 Buttplate. Put whatever buttplate you want on it. |
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Posted: 6/20/2020 11:40:56 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://sinistralrifleman.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/cav-15-00.jpg From sinistralrifleman website back in the day. The colored stocks were kewl. Bought an A1 stock from Cavalry that I'm still totally satisfied with. |
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Posted: 6/20/2020 11:51:07 AM EDT
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I'm in. Ordered stripped lower and the KP parts kit yesterday. I really hope this "late July" thing isn't BS.
Thanks! Quote HistoryQuoted: Lots of negativity towards the design in this thread. If you don't believe in it that's fine. Please consider buying one of our Aluminum lowers, triggers, or anything else we make using our code AR15COM18 for 15% off. For the nay sayers saying they can get aluminum lowers now for $39.00 whats the point? You are currently experiencing market conditions that will likely never again be replicated. Those market conditions are currently changing well ahead of the normal election season panic. Raw materials in the form of aluminum forgings and billet evaporate during panic cycles. Machine shops take 35-40 minutes to complete a forging to 100%, an hour or more for billet. The injection molding process allows us to make a receiver every 60 seconds. The receiver eliminates the need for separate components that also need to be machined or molded separately. MSRP of $99.95 includes features Flared Magwell-You'd pay $200-250 for a billet lower with the same feature Modern Grip and Winter Trigger Guard-$25-30 Buffer Tube-$20.00 Buttstock with the ability to accept QD Sockets and MLOK Accessories -$40.00 Pivot and Take Down Pins-$10.00 (machined separately) ...and its making all of these components, except the pins, with the receiver every 60 seconds. If you don't understand the benefit to that, I guess you didn't live through Barackalypse Part 1, Part 2, or The Coming Doom of Hillary. If you have product questions please ask them in the industry forum here: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Industry/Polymer-Receiver-Update/749-296126/ |
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Posted: 6/20/2020 11:51:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Like a regular fire control pocket with radius's and drafts to be releasable out of a mold. The outside is reinforced. As soon as Brownells has these for sale I'm driving down there and picking up two. I appreciate you bringing these back! |
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Posted: 6/20/2020 11:53:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm in. Ordered stripped lower and the KP parts kit yesterday. I really hope this "late July" thing isn't BS. Thanks! We are at the mercy of subcontractors, which is why I am reluctant to give hard timelines. We will keep posting updates as things advance through the manufacturing process. |
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Posted: 6/20/2020 1:17:31 PM EDT
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In one of the videos it was mentioned that the original Cav-15 was designed when .45 acp conversions using grease gun magazines were the rage, so the Cav-15 magwell was designed to use them. Now that .45 acp conversions using grease gun mags isn't a big market anymore, the larger magwell has been deleted.
I see the largest hurdle for this rifle is that it appears to be a niche product. The pistol grip and buttstock are integral, in a market where the vast majority of rifles have adjustable stocks and changeable pistol grips. And even those rifles with fixed stocks can be changed out if the owner so desires. One of the best features of the AR platform is the modularity, even if this was a byproduct of the original design rather than by intention. ETA: perhaps the stock, since integral, could have been made shorter, so that spacers could be used to lengthen if need be. Or will there be an aftermarket for shortening stocks, as was with the original Cav-15? |
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Posted: 6/20/2020 1:41:32 PM EDT
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My preferred configuration is a fixed, A1 length stock. So this will work out just fine.
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Posted: 6/20/2020 1:55:23 PM EDT
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Glad to see you back in the game, Russel. My wife is still thrilled with her yellow Cav Arms rifle all these years later.
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Posted: 6/20/2020 2:19:23 PM EDT
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So will the stock be A1 length without a plate installed or will it be the same length as an A1 with installed plate?
I would have preferred a shorter stock. Since it uses a carbine buffer why not make it shorter and use spacers To make it longer. By my informal obs most prefer a shorter stock, even shorter than an A1. Also it looks like a buttplate either A1 or A2 adds $ 20-30 more to the price making it less appealing. |
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Posted: 6/20/2020 3:04:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So will the stock be A1 length without a plate installed or will it be the same length as an A1 with installed plate? I would have preferred a shorter stock. Since it uses a carbine buffer why not make it shorter and use spacers To make it longer. By my informal obs most prefer a shorter stock, even shorter than an A1. Also it looks like a buttplate either A1 or A2 adds $ 20-30 more to the price making it less appealing. $12.49 
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Posted: 6/20/2020 3:14:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So will the stock be A1 length without a plate installed or will it be the same length as an A1 with installed plate? I would have preferred a shorter stock. Since it uses a carbine buffer why not make it shorter and use spacers To make it longer. By my informal obs most prefer a shorter stock, even shorter than an A1. Also it looks like a buttplate either A1 or A2 adds $ 20-30 more to the price making it less appealing. $12.49 https://www.cavmfg.com/images/1380042943994-1903577815.jpeg |
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Posted: 6/20/2020 3:26:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So will the stock be A1 length without a plate installed or will it be the same length as an A1 with installed plate? I would have preferred a shorter stock. Since it uses a carbine buffer why not make it shorter and use spacers To make it longer. By my informal obs most prefer a shorter stock, even shorter than an A1. Also it looks like a buttplate either A1 or A2 adds $ 20-30 more to the price making it less appealing. |
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Posted: 6/20/2020 3:31:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Plus $4.20 (I kid you not) shipping for a total of $16.69. Pretty close to the guestimate of $20. Plus, I am not sure that is an actual A1 buttplate or the Cavarms "A1 style" rubber plate that came with their rifles. I have one from my old Cav arms. It’s soft flexible rubber with a “living” flexible hinge. It’s barely worth $10. I guess I will see what KE comes up with. May need to try to shorten on my own and shape a pachmayer pad to it. |
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Posted: 6/20/2020 3:32:06 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So will the stock be A1 length without a plate installed or will it be the same length as an A1 with installed plate? I would have preferred a shorter stock. Since it uses a carbine buffer why not make it shorter and use spacers To make it longer. By my informal obs most prefer a shorter stock, even shorter than an A1. Also it looks like a buttplate either A1 or A2 adds $ 20-30 more to the price making it less appealing. The stock is modeled after an A1 stock. Approximately 13” LOP. It accepts A1 and A2 buttplates like an A1. We will probably be supplying it with a thin aluminum buttplate until we get a buttplate mold made. There in reinforcement ribbing behind the buffer tube. Making spacers requires more tooling cost and more cost per unit. Making it more modular defeats one of the purposes of making it out of polymer to begin with: relatively low cost, rapid manufacturing. Trying to make this meet every potential users requirements would price it out of the market entirely. |
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Posted: 6/20/2020 3:33:34 PM EDT
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Also, in true Brownell's/AR-15.com institution, the stripped lower should have been $87
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Posted: 6/20/2020 3:34:37 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If I recall, the MKIII Prototype from Cav-Arms before their shutdown was a Sully Stock Design with spacers. I had a Sully at one time. It was really too short and surprisingly heavy. I think it was similar in LOP to an RRA Entry stock. |
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Posted: 6/20/2020 5:39:29 PM EDT
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I guess I don’t get all the haters.
They are offering a unique option for the market at a reasonable price when there is a panic going on. If you don’t like it, don’t buy one, but don’t criticize KE for offering another option, especially if they can churn out thousands of them quickly if there is demand. My son and I did a Four day carbine class with a couple of Light weight rifles built on The Sabre defense lowers from cav arms that got closed out a few years ago along with some PSA pencil barrel uppers. It wasn’t a particularly high round count class- maybe just under 1000 rounds each, but we had no issues. Can’t beat that for a $400 or so gun. They make for a great light weight build. |
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Posted: 6/20/2020 10:48:09 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess I don’t get all the haters. They are offering a unique option for the market at a reasonable price when there is a panic going on. If you don’t like it, don’t buy one, but don’t criticize KE for offering another option, especially if they can churn out thousands of them quickly if there is demand. My son and I did a Four day carbine class with a couple of Light weight rifles built on The Sabre defense lowers from cav arms that got closed out a few years ago along with some PSA pencil barrel uppers. It wasn’t a particularly high round count class- maybe just under 1000 rounds each, but we had no issues. Can’t beat that for a $400 or so gun. They make for a great light weight build. This is exactly why I'm getting the KP. It may not be tier1, but it's cheap enough, should be rugged enough, should be light enough, and with a basic lightweight upper should be reliable enough to put in the hands of my kids or in-laws for a basic class or two. Seems to me like the KP could be the equivalent(actually far superior) of the $100 SKS from days gone by. Cheap and plentiful. Reliable to a fault. I'm certainly willing to give it a chance to try out for the role at the current pricing. |
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Posted: 6/20/2020 11:06:16 PM EDT
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Like anything new, time will tell if the dimensions, welding of the halves together, and QC are up to snuff, but the fact that you have someone involved who goes all the way back to the cav arms days and likely lived through whatever growing pains they had is a good predictor that they might get this right the first time.
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Posted: 6/20/2020 11:13:15 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess I don’t get all the haters. They are offering a unique option for the market at a reasonable price when there is a panic going on. If you don’t like it, don’t buy one, but don’t criticize KE for offering another option, especially if they can churn out thousands of them quickly if there is demand. My son and I did a Four day carbine class with a couple of Light weight rifles built on The Sabre defense lowers from cav arms that got closed out a few years ago along with some PSA pencil barrel uppers. It wasn’t a particularly high round count class- maybe just under 1000 rounds each, but we had no issues. Can’t beat that for a $400 or so gun. They make for a great light weight build. 1) It's different. 2) It's polymer, even though most polymer AR haters have been shooting polymer pistols for decades now. 3) GD loves to hate everything it doesn't understand, whether it's Satanists, manufacturing, or wemin. |
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Posted: 6/20/2020 11:20:29 PM EDT
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Does it float? The rate at which folks on here have boating accidents
 , I'd like a Sport Utility Rifle that I wouldn't have to dive in after.
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Posted: 6/20/2020 11:24:01 PM EDT
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Backbencher, I think you helped get the Sabre defense lower sales going- thanks for doing that.
I would never have bought a polymer lower until I saw the WWSD video where they abused them. In my mind when you design something new like that with a new material you don’t really know how it is going to stand up until you get it into the real world. Cav arms seemed to get a lot right given how well they stand up to abuse.  Failed To Load Title ETA: I am not a big Carl fan either, but this isn’t all about him. |
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Posted: 6/21/2020 12:21:29 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Backbencher, I think you helped get the Sabre defense lower sales going- thanks for doing that. I would never have bought a polymer lower until I saw the WWSD video where they abused them. In my mind when you design something new like that with a new material you don’t really know how it is going to stand up until you get it into the real world. Cav arms seemed to get a lot right given how well they stand up to abuse.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjhvi8c0MF4ETA: I am not a big Carl fan either, but this isn’t all about him. Quite welcome - it was a favor for a friend who had nearly 2000 lowers that weren't selling, and drove him nuts every ATF audit where he had to account for each lower by SN. He ended up w/ no money in them, hence the blowout. I only have a few left - I gave almost all the ones I got away. Tomorrow going to shoot one of the ones he gave me for my wedding. I'm a big Karl fan primarily b/c he gets GD's jimmies in an uproar, and can outshoot well more than 87% of GD. That he associates w/ Ian and KE Arms is a bonus. |
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Posted: 6/21/2020 6:29:12 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My preferred configuration is a fixed, A1 length stock. So this will work out just fine. |
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Posted: 6/21/2020 9:58:32 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My preferred configuration is a fixed, A1 length stock. So this will work out just fine.    
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Posted: 6/21/2020 1:53:15 PM EDT
[#37]
Will this come in different colors?
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Posted: 6/21/2020 2:19:25 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess I don’t get all the haters. They are offering a unique option for the market at a reasonable price when there is a panic going on. If you don’t like it, don’t buy one, but don’t criticize KE for offering another option, especially if they can churn out thousands of them quickly if there is demand. I was going to say the same thing. I also don’t get the whining about the $99 cost. Doesn’t seem out of line to me. Is half of GD on freaking food stamps now? |
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Posted: 6/21/2020 5:34:56 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was going to say the same thing. I also don't get the whining about the $99 cost. Doesn't seem out of line to me. Is half of GD on freaking food stamps now? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I guess I don't get all the haters. They are offering a unique option for the market at a reasonable price when there is a panic going on. If you don't like it, don't buy one, but don't criticize KE for offering another option, especially if they can churn out thousands of them quickly if there is demand. I was going to say the same thing. I also don't get the whining about the $99 cost. Doesn't seem out of line to me. Is half of GD on freaking food stamps now? If it were Geissele, people would be talking about the incredible deal it represents. |
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Posted: 6/21/2020 5:58:25 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 1) It's different. 2) It's polymer, even though most polymer AR haters have been shooting polymer pistols for decades now. 3) GD loves to hate everything it doesn't understand, whether it's Satanists, manufacturing, or wemin. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I guess I don’t get all the haters. They are offering a unique option for the market at a reasonable price when there is a panic going on. If you don’t like it, don’t buy one, but don’t criticize KE for offering another option, especially if they can churn out thousands of them quickly if there is demand. My son and I did a Four day carbine class with a couple of Light weight rifles built on The Sabre defense lowers from cav arms that got closed out a few years ago along with some PSA pencil barrel uppers. It wasn’t a particularly high round count class- maybe just under 1000 rounds each, but we had no issues. Can’t beat that for a $400 or so gun. They make for a great light weight build. 1) It's different. 2) It's polymer, even though most polymer AR haters have been shooting polymer pistols for decades now. 3) GD loves to hate everything it doesn't understand, whether it's Satanists, manufacturing, or wemin. Who you kidding? There ain't no understanding women. With the exception of understanding there is no understanding women. |
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Posted: 6/21/2020 9:08:42 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If it were Geissele, people would be talking about the incredible deal it represents. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I guess I don't get all the haters. They are offering a unique option for the market at a reasonable price when there is a panic going on. If you don't like it, don't buy one, but don't criticize KE for offering another option, especially if they can churn out thousands of them quickly if there is demand. I was going to say the same thing. I also don't get the whining about the $99 cost. Doesn't seem out of line to me. Is half of GD on freaking food stamps now? If it were Geissele, people would be talking about the incredible deal it represents. I know right I'm almost feeling like I have to build a rifle with one of these from all the hate. |
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Posted: 6/22/2020 10:44:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/26/2020 9:01:27 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Shameless bumping, I like it  I would love an Mk3 - but I still have 19 unbuilt Sabre lowers from the deal of the century in 2017. I do have LPK's on the way to start finishing them out - but my blems needs pins and buttplates and Cav Mfg is coming up on 3 weeks since my order with no shipping or even response to emails. I'm trying to keep these builds affordable and Cav Mfg has the best price by far I've found on a complete buttplate (with trapdoor, sling swivel, and screws). |
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Posted: 6/26/2020 10:07:41 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Shameless bumping, I like it I would love an Mk3 - but I still have 19 unbuilt Sabre lowers from the deal of the century in 2017. I do have LPK's on the way to start finishing them out - but my blems needs pins and buttplates and Cav Mfg is coming up on 3 weeks since my order with no shipping or even response to emails. I'm trying to keep these builds affordable and Cav Mfg has the best price by far I've found on a complete buttplate (with trapdoor, sling swivel, and screws). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Shameless bumping, I like it I would love an Mk3 - but I still have 19 unbuilt Sabre lowers from the deal of the century in 2017. I do have LPK's on the way to start finishing them out - but my blems needs pins and buttplates and Cav Mfg is coming up on 3 weeks since my order with no shipping or even response to emails. I'm trying to keep these builds affordable and Cav Mfg has the best price by far I've found on a complete buttplate (with trapdoor, sling swivel, and screws). I would be surprised if CavMFG ever ships. |
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Posted: 6/26/2020 10:15:43 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Read the thread here I linked. Or for TL/DR: That was a campaign for SJWs by two anti-white ultrafeminist whatever ladies. If you took part, you either indicated that you belong to the social justice movement or at the very least support it. The premise was that as a white SJW, you are still not pure enough if you post supporting BLM and decry so called injustices to blacks. It's still white priviledge. According to the “shut up whitey” campaign you could only be virtuous if you banned yourself (for a week), banned all your white contacts (muted them in IG) and instead reposted only messages from black SJWs for a week. That's the gist of it. And he supported it. And somehow deviantollam (a known leftist activist and supposedly Karl's friend) and a bunch of other pinkos argued for 8 pages that the #muted campaign somehow wasn't SJW propaganda. Which it was. |
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Posted: 6/29/2020 3:58:15 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Shameless bumping, I like it I would love an Mk3 - but I still have 19 unbuilt Sabre lowers from the deal of the century in 2017. I do have LPK's on the way to start finishing them out - but my blems needs pins and buttplates and Cav Mfg is coming up on 3 weeks since my order with no shipping or even response to emails. I'm trying to keep these builds affordable and Cav Mfg has the best price by far I've found on a complete buttplate (with trapdoor, sling swivel, and screws). I emailed and never heard anything. I figured they were out of business. I'm using a pair of 1/4 clevis pins and a slip on buttpad from a shotgun if it fits Otgheriwse, I have tons of 4x4s I can use to improvise
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Posted: 6/29/2020 4:19:18 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://sinistralrifleman.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/cav-15-00.jpg From sinistralrifleman website back in the day. Did he ever sell all those GI Joes? |
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Posted: 6/29/2020 10:41:27 PM EDT
[#48]
 Failed To Load Title It's long w/ many geeky mold engineering moments. No, there will not be an 80%. No, there will not be a version w/ a replaceable pistol grip. No, they're not producing a ban state version directly - they tried. |
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Posted: 6/29/2020 11:10:22 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQGa7zNxCCsIt's long w/ many geeky mold engineering moments. No, there will not be an 80%. No, there will not be a version w/ a replaceable pistol grip. No, they're not producing a ban state version directly - they tried.
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Posted: 6/29/2020 11:33:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: it was mentioned in the video that they are holding off on the pin placement until they have run a few through so they can verify the shrinkage I was in the pool! |
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