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Quoted: I won't be rushing out to buy one. Maybe in a couple of years when real world feedback comes in and torture tests have been done I'll be more interested. |
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Quoted: Literally have zero intrest in this rifle. Especially now that it's come out that Karl has aligned himself with pinko commie scum. What would Stoner do? Stoner would have done most of the work himself. The way it's described, the lower is just about completely outsourced, with the "design team" providing some input as to what areas needed to be beefed up. By the way fuck commies, and fuck satanists. |
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I love my 2 OG GWACS lowers and was all set to get a Mk III. And I don’t give a shit about the Satanist stuff either if he keeps it to himself. The online virtue signaling by Karl tells me to save my money though. I don’t have any need to get another AR if it means supporting someone that throws in with BLM/Antifa/et al. They can get fucked, I hope they eat a million unsold KE lowers because of his willing public stance. |
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Quoted: I won't be rushing out to buy one. Maybe in a couple of years when real world feedback comes in and torture tests have been done I'll be more interested. While I would also prefer not to be a guinea pig, it's a $100 receiver, not a car. The changes from the Mk 2 don't appear to be anything too risky and the internal structure was pretty much carried over according to Phagen. That adds up to an acceptable risk to me. |
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I'm thinking about using one of these for my next AR. They seem to be approaching the project correctly. Quoted: ITT we will see the OP not read this and still white knight for Karl. Coincidence that he spells it the same way Karl Marx did? NOPE! Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Read the thread here I linked. Or for TL/DR: That was a campaign for SJWs by two anti-white ultrafeminist whatever ladies. If you took part, you either indicated that you belong to the social justice movement or at the very least support it. The premise was that as a white SJW, you are still not pure enough if you post supporting BLM and decry so called injustices to blacks. It's still white priviledge. According to the “shut up whitey” campaign you could only be virtuous if you banned yourself (for a week), banned all your white contacts (muted them in IG) and instead reposted only messages from black SJWs for a week. That's the gist of it. And he supported it. And somehow deviantollam (a known leftist activist and supposedly Karl's friend) and a bunch of other pinkos argued for 8 pages that the #muted campaign somehow wasn't SJW propaganda. Which it was. Yep. I like InRange's content, but I stopped my Patreon contributions after that. ITT we will see the OP not read this and still white knight for Karl. Coincidence that he spells it the same way Karl Marx did? NOPE! I'm disappointed Karl supported this nonsense (hell, Deviant Ollam jumped on ARFCOM during the original discussion of the post which indicates he's willing to dialogue with the shit flinging that goes on here) but this is the most nonsensical criticism I've seen of the InRange guys. Did your parents give you the option of how your name is spelled? The spelling makes sense when you look at his first and last name - Karl Kasarda |
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Quoted: I'm thinking about using one of these for my next AR. They seem to be approaching the project correctly. I'm disappointed Karl supported this nonsense (hell, Deviant Ollam jumped on ARFCOM during the original discussion of the post which indicates he's willing to dialogue with the shit flinging that goes on here) but this is the most nonsensical criticism I've seen of the InRange guys. Did your parents give you the option of how your name is spelled? The spelling makes sense when you look at his first and last name - Karl Kasarda Pull the reins on your white knight trot. I'm not being overly critical of Ian, just Karl |
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<---27yrs injection molding designer. They will never get the shrinkage right sufficient for firearm use, not with all the different hole axes. [plural of axis] They should leave the pivot/fcg/detent holes for secondary machining operation which will screw the price. That and welded glass filled nylon seams are a weak spot. They will have the same rep as those shitty Bushmaster and ATI lowers.  No thanks. Aluminum master race for a reason. |
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Quoted: <---27yrs injection molding designer. They will never get the shrinkage right sufficient for firearm use, not with all the different hole axes. [plural of axis] They should leave the pivot/fcg/detent holes for secondary machining operation which will screw the price. That and welded glass filled nylon seams are a weak spot. They will have the same rep as those shitty Bushmaster and ATI lowers. No thanks. Aluminum master race for a reason. |
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Quoted: What does the fire control pocket look like? Hopefully they maximized the weight savings. Attached File |
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Quoted: <---27yrs injection molding designer. They will never get the shrinkage right sufficient for firearm use, not with all the different hole axes. [plural of axis] They should leave the pivot/fcg/detent holes for secondary machining operation which will screw the price. That and welded glass filled nylon seams are a weak spot. They will have the same rep as those shitty Bushmaster and ATI lowers. No thanks. Aluminum master race for a reason. Aren't the previous generation Cav Arms poly lowers known for their incredible durability? |
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Quoted: <---27yrs injection molding designer. They will never get the shrinkage right sufficient for firearm use, not with all the different hole axes. [plural of axis] They should leave the pivot/fcg/detent holes for secondary machining operation which will screw the price. That and welded glass filled nylon seams are a weak spot. They will have the same rep as those shitty Bushmaster and ATI lowers. No thanks. Aluminum master race for a reason. You've been here since 2001 and never heard of CavArms poly lowers? Show me all the failures these lowers have had when produced by the try previous companies over the past 20+ years. I'll wait. |
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Quoted: While I would also prefer not to be a guinea pig, it's a $100 receiver, not a car. The changes from the Mk 2 don't appear to be anything to risky and the internal structure was pretty much carried over according to Phagen. That adds up to an acceptable risk to me. Quoted: Quoted: I won't be rushing out to buy one. Maybe in a couple of years when real world feedback comes in and torture tests have been done I'll be more interested. While I would also prefer not to be a guinea pig, it's a $100 receiver, not a car. The changes from the Mk 2 don't appear to be anything to risky and the internal structure was pretty much carried over according to Phagen. That adds up to an acceptable risk to me. True, but I have several $35 stripped lowers already and enough parts to make several rifles. |
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Quoted: I like the idea, and the time and effort they are putting into it, but.... Ian is in a black Hawaiian Shirt, and the other guy has a Karen Haircut. What kind of customer service will you get when you ask to speak to the manager, and Karen answers? Kidding, just kidding. You just draw a pentagram on the floor, say Black Lives Matter three times, and Karl appears. |
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Quoted: These rumors keep going around but no one ever gives a cite. It was rumored that Ian was Antifastan's security director. He's not. Karl is a Satanist. That doesn't make him Antifa. Quoted: Quoted: Literally have zero intrest in this rifle. Especially now that it's come out that Karl has aligned himself with pinko commie scum. What would Stoner do? These rumors keep going around but no one ever gives a cite. It was rumored that Ian was Antifastan's security director. He's not. Karl is a Satanist. That doesn't make him Antifa. Yeah? Well... It doesn't make him NOT antifa, either... 
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Quoted: The AUG is a welded design of two halves. Doing very well since the 1970s. The Cav Arms Poly Lower is damn good. Quoted: Quoted: <---27yrs injection molding designer. They will never get the shrinkage right sufficient for firearm use, not with all the different hole axes. [plural of axis] They should leave the pivot/fcg/detent holes for secondary machining operation which will screw the price. That and welded glass filled nylon seams are a weak spot. They will have the same rep as those shitty Bushmaster and ATI lowers. No thanks. Aluminum master race for a reason. This. My Cav Arms lower is still going strong after (I think) 15 years? Including being my sister's knock around gun for a couple years. Not a single issue. I recently got it back from her and am trying to figure out something fun to build with it. |
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Quoted: <---27yrs injection molding designer. They will never get the shrinkage right sufficient for firearm use, not with all the different hole axes. [plural of axis] They should leave the pivot/fcg/detent holes for secondary machining operation which will screw the price. That and welded glass filled nylon seams are a weak spot. They will have the same rep as those shitty Bushmaster and ATI lowers. No thanks. Aluminum master race for a reason. |
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Quoted: For the consumer it is actually cheaper. $89 for a KE-15 polymer lower is the cheaper then your $39 forging, plus a $50 stock/receiver extension and $15 grip/screw. It actually comes out as cheaper and lighter. Quoted: Quoted: With superior Forged aluminum lowers selling for as low as $39 and A2 stock sets available, Why should anyone care?? For the consumer it is actually cheaper. $89 for a KE-15 polymer lower is the cheaper then your $39 forging, plus a $50 stock/receiver extension and $15 grip/screw. It actually comes out as cheaper and lighter. In the videos they talk about how the fixed stock length is pretty much what everyone sets their adjustable stocks to anyway. One other issue is balance - IIRC they discussed that as well. The stock balances out the barrel they used on the original WWSD rifle. You could probably build a lighter aluminum lower with some kind of ultra light stock but it would likely be front heavy. It's an interesting project. Nice to see somebody trying to do something new and different. |
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Quoted: <---27yrs injection molding designer. They will never get the shrinkage right sufficient for firearm use, not with all the different hole axes. [plural of axis] They should leave the pivot/fcg/detent holes for secondary machining operation which will screw the price. That and welded glass filled nylon seams are a weak spot. They will have the same rep as those shitty Bushmaster and ATI lowers. No thanks. Aluminum master race for a reason.  Ya, its already been done successfully. The original Cav15 designer had a lot of plastics experience, including mold making. Apparently your experience is lacking, good thing no one consulted you. |
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Quoted: No thanks. There are, IMHO, no advantages to making a lower from polymer. If an aluminum lower is too heavy for you, then you need to hit the gym. Talk to me when you blow up a metal lower. Let me know if you can just glue it back together and keep rocking it a decade later. |
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Quoted: <---27yrs injection molding designer. They will never get the shrinkage right sufficient for firearm use, not with all the different hole axes. [plural of axis] They should leave the pivot/fcg/detent holes for secondary machining operation which will screw the price. That and welded glass filled nylon seams are a weak spot. They will have the same rep as those shitty Bushmaster and ATI lowers. No thanks. Aluminum master race for a reason. Has anyone posted before me telling you that you are wrong? Once upon a time I had a whole skittle colored collection of Cavarms lowers and they all assembled and functioned just fine. |
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Quoted: You've been here since 2001 and never heard of CavArms poly lowers? Show me all the failures these lowers have had when produced by the try previous companies over the past 20+ years. I'll wait. Quoted: Quoted: <---27yrs injection molding designer. They will never get the shrinkage right sufficient for firearm use, not with all the different hole axes. [plural of axis] They should leave the pivot/fcg/detent holes for secondary machining operation which will screw the price. That and welded glass filled nylon seams are a weak spot. They will have the same rep as those shitty Bushmaster and ATI lowers. No thanks. Aluminum master race for a reason. You've been here since 2001 and never heard of CavArms poly lowers? Show me all the failures these lowers have had when produced by the try previous companies over the past 20+ years. I'll wait. To be fair, the Cav Arms lowers I've got have various small problems with seam fusion in the mag well area, and the overall design of the buffer retainer plunger area could use improvement. |
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Quoted: To be fair, the Cav Arms lowers I've got have various small problems with seam fusion in the mag well area, and the overall design of the buffer retainer plunger area could use improvement. I had onne of the Cav-aid lowers and know what you mean. I remember having to scrape the flashing off the seams. The buffer retainer wasnt great, but Cavarms actually recommended not installing it. You dont actually need a buffer retaining plunger and at worse they can actually break and jam up the FCG. |
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Quoted: I want one so bad. Alas I have two complete receiver sets sitting at home right now so I'll probably hold off for a bit. OD Green would be a great color option to add as well... hint hint. I don't know about the plastic on the newer ones but the older Cav-Arms plastic holds rattle can paint pretty well. Just be sure you like the color before you paint it, because it will not strip off anywhere near as easy as anodized aluminum. |
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Lots of negativity towards the design in this thread. If you don't believe in it that's fine. Please consider buying one of our Aluminum lowers, triggers, or anything else we make using our code AR15COM18 for 15% off. For the nay sayers saying they can get aluminum lowers now for $39.00 whats the point? You are currently experiencing market conditions that will likely never again be replicated. Those market conditions are currently changing well ahead of the normal election season panic. Raw materials in the form of aluminum forgings and billet evaporate during panic cycles. Machine shops take 35-40 minutes to complete a forging to 100%, an hour or more for billet. The injection molding process allows us to make a receiver every 60 seconds. The receiver eliminates the need for separate components that also need to be machined or molded separately. MSRP of $99.95 includes features Flared Magwell-You'd pay $200-250 for a billet lower with the same feature Modern Grip and Winter Trigger Guard-$25-30 Buffer Tube-$20.00 Buttstock with the ability to accept QD Sockets and MLOK Accessories -$40.00 Pivot and Take Down Pins-$10.00 (machined separately) ...and its making all of these components, except the pins, with the receiver every 60 seconds. If you don't understand the benefit to that, I guess you didn't live through Barackalypse Part 1, Part 2, or The Coming Doom of Hillary. If you have product questions please ask them in the industry forum here: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Industry/Polymer-Receiver-Update/749-296126/ |
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Quoted: I can get the dimensional thickness of the KP-15 outer walls from our engineers. I don't have the old dimensions. Thanks. That had always been my only "meh" with them. The grip is just too tiny. Throw a grip sleeve on or wrap them with sports tape and they are perfect. |