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Quoted: The lowers will transfer as other, by definition. You could build it as a rifle, or as a shotgun. You could chop the buttstock off and build a pistol or a 26" smoothbore firearm. I don’t think you will be able to chop the Butt stock off and still have a functional firearm. You can’t add any kind of buffer tube to it as the buffer and spring probably rides in a cavity formed by the two halves of the assembled stock. No way to really make a pistol out of it that I can see. Mag well is sized for 5.56 mags so still need adapters for pistol mags. |
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Quoted: I don’t think you will be able to chop the Butt stock off and still have a functional firearm. You can’t add any kind of buffer tube to it as the buffer and spring probably rides in a cavity formed by the two halves of the assembled stock. No way to really make a pistol out of it that I can see. Mag well is sized for 5.56 mags so still need adapters for pistol mags. Quoted: Quoted: The lowers will transfer as other, by definition. You could build it as a rifle, or as a shotgun. You could chop the buttstock off and build a pistol or a 26" smoothbore firearm. I don’t think you will be able to chop the Butt stock off and still have a functional firearm. You can’t add any kind of buffer tube to it as the buffer and spring probably rides in a cavity formed by the two halves of the assembled stock. No way to really make a pistol out of it that I can see. Mag well is sized for 5.56 mags so still need adapters for pistol mags. You cut off the buttstock and leave the buffer tube and one set of reinforcements in place. I've done it to one of the $5 Sabre lowers, and gave it to a fellow ARFCOMer. So easily doable if you have a Dremel and enjoy the sweet smell of overheated nylon. |
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Quoted: I don't think you will be able to chop the Butt stock off and still have a functional firearm. You can't add any kind of buffer tube to it as the buffer and spring probably rides in a cavity formed by the two halves of the assembled stock. No way to really make a pistol out of it that I can see. Mag well is sized for 5.56 mags so still need adapters for pistol mags. Quoted: Quoted: The lowers will transfer as other, by definition. You could build it as a rifle, or as a shotgun. You could chop the buttstock off and build a pistol or a 26" smoothbore firearm. I don't think you will be able to chop the Butt stock off and still have a functional firearm. You can't add any kind of buffer tube to it as the buffer and spring probably rides in a cavity formed by the two halves of the assembled stock. No way to really make a pistol out of it that I can see. Mag well is sized for 5.56 mags so still need adapters for pistol mags. |
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Quoted: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/129976/D93945FE-32D2-43D7-B7D1-6BF29794F45C-630102.jpg I definitely like the design, so I'm interested. They make lightweight builds fun.  The thing. You have utterly failed to FDE it.
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Quoted: The thing. You have utterly failed to FDE it.Quoted: Quoted: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/129976/D93945FE-32D2-43D7-B7D1-6BF29794F45C-630102.jpg I definitely like the design, so I'm interested. They make lightweight builds fun. The thing. You have utterly failed to FDE it. . But the FDE CavArms forend was OOS, and I'm wary about spray painting that lower.Not bad for the $20 lower you clued us all into, though. |
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Quoted: I don’t think you will be able to chop the Butt stock off and still have a functional firearm. You can’t add any kind of buffer tube to it as the buffer and spring probably rides in a cavity formed by the two halves of the assembled stock. No way to really make a pistol out of it that I can see. Mag well is sized for 5.56 mags so still need adapters for pistol mags. Quoted: I don’t think you will be able to chop the Butt stock off and still have a functional firearm. You can’t add any kind of buffer tube to it as the buffer and spring probably rides in a cavity formed by the two halves of the assembled stock. No way to really make a pistol out of it that I can see. Mag well is sized for 5.56 mags so still need adapters for pistol mags. It isn’t about what the frame or receiver can become, it’s about what the firearm IS at the point of transfer. A firearm without a barrel cannot be a rifle, pistol, shotgun, or revolver. Even the 4473 explains this. Question 16. Type of Firearm(s): "Other" refers to frames, receivers and other firearms that are neither handguns nor long guns (rifles or shotguns), such as firearms having a pistol grip that expel a shotgun shell, or National Firearms Act (NFA) firearms, including silencers. If a frame or receiver can only be made into a long gun (rifle or shotgun), it is still a frame or receiver not a handgun or long gun. However, frames and receivers are still "firearms" by definition, and subject to the same GCA limitations as any other firearms. See Section 921(a)(3)(B). Section 922(b)(1) makes it unlawful for a licensee to sell any firearm other than a shotgun or rifle to any person under the age of 21. Since a frame or receiver for a firearm, to include one that can only be made into a long gun, is a "firearm other than a shotgun or rifle," it cannot be transferred to anyone under the age of 21, nor can these firearms be transferred to anyone who is not a resident of the State where the transfer is to take place. Also, note that multiple sales forms are not required for frames or receivers of any firearms, or pistol grip shotguns, since they are not "pistols or revolvers" under Section 923(g)(3)(A). |
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Quoted: It isn’t about what the frame or receiver can become, it’s about what the firearm IS at the point of transfer. A firearm without a barrel cannot be a rifle, pistol, shotgun, or revolver. Even the 4473 explains this. Doesn’t matter to me how it’s Technically defined when I get it. I leave that up to the FFL I get it from. This particular receiver/stock can really be only made into a rifle so I don’t care what they classify it as. |
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If they think they're doing a modernized version of the original concept - then I want to see the weapon put through the same trials the original adopted version went through. If that new design passes those trials, I might be interested. Putting the weapon into a mud puddle doesn't count. 
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Quoted: If they think they're doing a modernized version of the original concept - then I want to see the weapon put through the same trials the original adopted version went through. If that new design passes those trials, I might be interested. Putting the weapon into a mud puddle doesn't count. Send me yours & I'll be happy to shoot it for you. Might have to put a few extra holes in it to hit the buffer tube.
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Quoted: Dunno. Any A1 or A2 compatible buttplate should bolt up to the Cav Arms Mk2/Sabre/GWACS/KE Arms Mk 3. yeah, but I'm trying to do this cheap  Cav Mfg is completely MIA. Numrich is like 8 weeks to ship orders  I've got orders in with both, we'll see what ships and when. |
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I think it is awesome that this core design is still alive and getting new life too! I’m looking forward to these. I’ve had a few Cavarms lowers over the years and they’ve all been great. Still have one in FDE and one of the Sabre Defense blowouts in black of course. Can’t wait to see how these turn out. You get a lot of features already built in at this price. |
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Quoted: Is cav MFG still in business? I thought they shut down years ago. Cav Arms got shut down by BATFE. Cav Mfg got some of the molds and continued production of some of the furniture. GWACS got the lower molds and continued production until they went under. KE Arms is run by SinistralRifleman, who worked at Cav Arms back in the day. |
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Quoted: You cut off the buttstock and leave the buffer tube and one set of reinforcements in place. I've done it to one of the $5 Sabre lowers, and gave it to a fellow ARFCOMer. So easily doable if you have a Dremel and enjoy the sweet smell of overheated nylon. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The lowers will transfer as other, by definition. You could build it as a rifle, or as a shotgun. You could chop the buttstock off and build a pistol or a 26" smoothbore firearm. I don't think you will be able to chop the Butt stock off and still have a functional firearm. You can't add any kind of buffer tube to it as the buffer and spring probably rides in a cavity formed by the two halves of the assembled stock. No way to really make a pistol out of it that I can see. Mag well is sized for 5.56 mags so still need adapters for pistol mags. You cut off the buttstock and leave the buffer tube and one set of reinforcements in place. I've done it to one of the $5 Sabre lowers, and gave it to a fellow ARFCOMer. So easily doable if you have a Dremel and enjoy the sweet smell of overheated nylon. Attached File 
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I've got an FDE pre-ordered at Brownells. For some reason, KE doesn't sell them on their own site. They're supposed to ship this month, but who knows when. Any idea if we'll get a warning before they ding our cards and ship? Want to make sure the money's there when needed. |
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What in the actual fuck? |
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Quoted: What in the actual fuck? Quoted: What in the actual fuck? Have a friend who's... let's just call him eccentric. He likes orky things. Weird things. Has been known to go out in public dressed like a LARPer. That is an ork blasta I built for him from the pistolized Sabre lower I got from Backbencher in the "That Every Man be Armed" thread. The goal was to provide people without arms a functioning AR, chambered in 5.56 that they could use when/if needed. The ork blasta meets those criteria, and my friend loves the shit out of it. 10.5" barrel, obviously not designed to shoulder stock. made of galvanized pipe, some copper spacers, and a shit ton of epoxy over the original Sabre tube. Over 26" long, just in case. The red dot is cheap, but functional, and hasn't fallen off yet, so I'm calling it good. Really, the only thing left to do is to finish cutting the holes in the exhaust pipe forearm and clamp it on. But the pistol is functional without it. ETA: It is possible that, when the Boog kicks off, he may be the furry in your squad, and he'll be rocking that blasta.
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Quoted: Cav Arms got shut down by BATFE. Cav Mfg got some of the molds and continued production of some of the furniture. GWACS got the lower molds and continued production until they went under. KE Arms is run by SinistralRifleman, who worked at Cav Arms back in the day. I know who he is I just wonder if he still likes crab..... |
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Quoted: Have a friend who's... let's just call him eccentric. He likes orky things. Weird things. Has been known to go out in public dressed like a LARPer. That is an ork blasta I built for him from the pistolized Sabre lower I got from Backbencher in the "That Every Man be Armed" thread. The goal was to provide people without arms a functioning AR, chambered in 5.56 that they could use when/if needed. The ork blasta meets those criteria, and my friend loves the shit out of it. 10.5" barrel, obviously not designed to shoulder stock. made of galvanized pipe, some copper spacers, and a shit ton of epoxy over the original Sabre tube. Over 26" long, just in case. The red dot is cheap, but functional, and hasn't fallen off yet, so I'm calling it good. Really, the only thing left to do is to finish cutting the holes in the exhaust pipe forearm and clamp it on. But the pistol is functional without it. ETA: It is possible that, when the Boog kicks off, he may be the furry in your squad, and he'll be rocking that blasta. |
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Quoted: The five gallon bucket next to the recliner is horrifying. Quoted: Quoted: Have a friend who's... let's just call him eccentric. He likes orky things. Weird things. Has been known to go out in public dressed like a LARPer. That is an ork blasta I built for him from the pistolized Sabre lower I got from Backbencher in the "That Every Man be Armed" thread. The goal was to provide people without arms a functioning AR, chambered in 5.56 that they could use when/if needed. The ork blasta meets those criteria, and my friend loves the shit out of it. 10.5" barrel, obviously not designed to shoulder stock. made of galvanized pipe, some copper spacers, and a shit ton of epoxy over the original Sabre tube. Over 26" long, just in case. The red dot is cheap, but functional, and hasn't fallen off yet, so I'm calling it good. Really, the only thing left to do is to finish cutting the holes in the exhaust pipe forearm and clamp it on. But the pistol is functional without it. ETA: It is possible that, when the Boog kicks off, he may be the furry in your squad, and he'll be rocking that blasta. Lucy the couch badger broke the recliner. The 5 gallon bucket is what holds the foot rest up. |
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Quoted: Lucy the couch badger broke the recliner. The 5 gallon bucket is what holds the foot rest up. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Have a friend who's... let's just call him eccentric. He likes orky things. Weird things. Has been known to go out in public dressed like a LARPer. That is an ork blasta I built for him from the pistolized Sabre lower I got from Backbencher in the "That Every Man be Armed" thread. The goal was to provide people without arms a functioning AR, chambered in 5.56 that they could use when/if needed. The ork blasta meets those criteria, and my friend loves the shit out of it. 10.5" barrel, obviously not designed to shoulder stock. made of galvanized pipe, some copper spacers, and a shit ton of epoxy over the original Sabre tube. Over 26" long, just in case. The red dot is cheap, but functional, and hasn't fallen off yet, so I'm calling it good. Really, the only thing left to do is to finish cutting the holes in the exhaust pipe forearm and clamp it on. But the pistol is functional without it. ETA: It is possible that, when the Boog kicks off, he may be the furry in your squad, and he'll be rocking that blasta. Lucy the couch badger broke the recliner. The 5 gallon bucket is what holds the foot rest up.   |
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Quoted: But what is the heat gun for? Pretty sure it was a separate project, although I don't remember what exactly. This was a little over a year ago. I do remember that I had other irons in the fire, and was taking care of other things while the blasta was sitting there with the multiple layers of epoxy curing. |
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Quoted: The five gallon bucket next to the recliner is horrifying. Quoted: Quoted: Have a friend who's... let's just call him eccentric. He likes orky things. Weird things. Has been known to go out in public dressed like a LARPer. That is an ork blasta I built for him from the pistolized Sabre lower I got from Backbencher in the "That Every Man be Armed" thread. The goal was to provide people without arms a functioning AR, chambered in 5.56 that they could use when/if needed. The ork blasta meets those criteria, and my friend loves the shit out of it. 10.5" barrel, obviously not designed to shoulder stock. made of galvanized pipe, some copper spacers, and a shit ton of epoxy over the original Sabre tube. Over 26" long, just in case. The red dot is cheap, but functional, and hasn't fallen off yet, so I'm calling it good. Really, the only thing left to do is to finish cutting the holes in the exhaust pipe forearm and clamp it on. But the pistol is functional without it. ETA: It is possible that, when the Boog kicks off, he may be the furry in your squad, and he'll be rocking that blasta. Could be knocking out primers while watching tv and using the bucket to through the brass in. I've done that |
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Quoted: I just don't see the point. I don't find the AR to be a particularly heavy gun. And relatively little of the weight of a fully loaded AR is in the lower. But hey, who doesn't want to sacrifice reliability for a very modest weight savings? What reliability sacrifice? The Cav style Polymer lowers have been run over, shot and just used like rented mules and kept going. |
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Quoted: I just don't see the point. I don't find the AR to be a particularly heavy gun. And relatively little of the weight of a fully loaded AR is in the lower. But hey, who doesn't want to sacrifice reliability for a very modest weight savings? An early GWACS lower being shot full of holes including a giant chunk of plastic from the buffer tube - and it keeps running. Shooting holes in the lower starts around 3:45: https://www.full30.com/watch/NjM1/testing-a-cavarms-mkii-polymer-receiver-ar Ian and Karl 2 years before the WWSD 2017 project - Karl w/ the abused GWACS blem which costs him 20 seconds on the 1st stage due to a manufacturing defect - note the giant hole in the buffer tube from when they had previously shot holes in the lower:  The GWACS "Icarus" Rifle In Competition Karl speaking of the time when his aluminum lower and an original Cav Arms Mk 2 were run over, and the one-piece polymer lower/stock survived w/o damage:  WWSD: GWACS Lower Receiver |
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Quoted: What reliability sacrifice? The Cav style Polymer lowers have been run over, shot and just used like rented mules and kept going. They have a very brief track record compared to the 5+ decades of aluminum AR lowers. Polymers do change characteristics with time and are subject to degradation from UV light and atmospheric oxygen. No one can tell you how that polymer lower will hold up over time. |
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Quoted: They have a very brief track record compared to the 5+ decades of aluminum AR lowers. Polymers do change characteristics with time and are subject to degradation from UV light and atmospheric oxygen. No one can tell you how that polymer lower will hold up over time. We do know, however, how badly aluminum fares when subjected to galvanic corrosion: https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/Can-this-SP-1-lower-be-repaired-/123-754008/ |
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Quoted: I just don't see the point. I don't find the AR to be a particularly heavy gun. And relatively little of the weight of a fully loaded AR is in the lower. But hey, who doesn't want to sacrifice reliability for a very modest weight savings? Quoted: They have a very brief track record compared to the 5+ decades of aluminum AR lowers. Polymers do change characteristics with time and are subject to degradation from UV light and atmospheric oxygen. No one can tell you how that polymer lower will hold up over time.  Nice backtrack. Your first (red) comment is stating a definite (it will happen) and your second comment (blue) is backtracking to say it might happen.Cavarm lowers have been around for almost 20 years? If there were any issues with degradation, you think we would have heard of it by now? This is the age of the Internet; a mule cannot fart without someone posting about it. |