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Posted: 8/15/2007 11:10:48 AM EDT
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-No NFA Restrictions -CCW = Shall Issue, cost $10 for 4 years, no fingerprints, photo, or training required -No Sales tax -No State Income Tax -No Capital Gains Tax -We HATE Taxes and have booted many a Governor who has brought up increasing taxes -Home of the Free State Project -Open Carry is allowed -Our State motto is "Live Free or Die" -We were the first state to declare our independence from England in 1774 -We have the only constitution in the world that expressly protects our right to revolution. -Part Time legislature, our legislators are only paid $100 per year, so it is not full of career politicians who have nothing better to do that sitting around generating inane laws. -Executive and Legislative elections are held EVERY 2 YEARS, essentially our Government is ALWAYS on short notice, and must perform the will of the people. -Low dependence on Federal Dollars ... In fact when the Feds tried to blackmail us into instituting a mandatory seatbelt law or they'd pull funding for roads, we essentially siad "Fuck you, keep you money, we take care of ourselves" -As mentioned, there is no mandatory seatbelt or motorcycel helmet law. Adults are respected to make their own decisions. -Very low crime rate statewide almost the lowest in the nation -New Hampshire Constitution Part First, Article 2-a All persons have the right to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves, their families, their property and the state. |
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Posted: 8/15/2007 11:12:15 AM EDT
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All right, here's what I have so far:
NO GO (In no particular order) -------- Maine Massachusetts Conneticut Rhode Island New York New Jersey Delaware Maryland Florida Illinois Texas New Mexico Arizona California Washington Worth Researching (again, in no particular order) --------------------- New Hampshire (moved here on edit) Pennsylvania West Virginia North Carolina South Carolina Tennesse Indiana Mississippi Oklahoma Still waiting to hear (more) about -------------------- Ohio Kentucky Georgia Alabama Michigan Wisconsin Minnesota Iowa Missouri Arkansas Louisiana North Dakota South Dakota Nebraska Kansas Montana Wyoming Colorado Idaho Utah Oregon Nevada Sorry, Hawaii and Alaska -- I would be looking to stay in the lower 48. _MaH Edited - Reconsidering my stance on NH after the above post... |
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Posted: 8/15/2007 11:13:24 AM EDT
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 When did this happen? I borrowed 95% in 2000.ETA: TX will take you. We need all the LEGALS we can get  ETA2 Steve, are you possibly talking about equity loans? |
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Posted: 8/15/2007 11:13:55 AM EDT
[#4]
The sales tax is kind of high here. 
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Posted: 8/15/2007 11:16:30 AM EDT
[#5]
Sounds divine, and as a guy who prefers cold weather over warm, it's catching my eye. What's the likelihood I'd be able to grow corn or tobacco in NH, though? I'm thinking not well due to climate... (Yes, I know that conflicts with my seasonal preference) _MaH |
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Posted: 8/15/2007 11:16:36 AM EDT
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Decatur County or the city? Decatur county is my neighbor (about 5 minutes away). |
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Posted: 8/15/2007 11:18:18 AM EDT
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If you need more convincing, Check this link We WANT more Liberty Minded people moving here right now, due to our proximity to Massholechusetts we do tend to get a lot of them drifting up here. The Chicken Littles will scream that the State is going Liberal with the Masshole influx, but that's a crock of shit. |
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Posted: 8/15/2007 11:21:24 AM EDT
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I honestly don't know about tobacco, but their are PLENTY of Corn farms around here. I assume with the further North climate the growing seasn is reduced, but we always have fresh local corn in the Summer (I'm actually going to pick some up from the farmstand for dinner tonight). Apple Orchards, Cider and Maple Farming is also very popular up here. |
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Posted: 8/15/2007 11:23:20 AM EDT
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City - Don't know if the farm is actually in the city limits or in Adams county, but it's about 2 or 3 miles west of 13th Street off Route 224. Matter of fact, I'm 99.99% positive this is it: TEOTWAWKI "Safe House" (as I call it  -- provided I could get there...)_MaH |
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Posted: 8/15/2007 11:24:07 AM EDT
[#10]
Shame we're full. 
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Posted: 8/15/2007 11:25:04 AM EDT
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yeah dude Stay the hell away from Utah - we were just fine until people started moving in seeking a "Lifestyle change" or trying to "save their kids"... Utah's new state motto "Welcome to Utah! Now GO HOME!!!" |
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Posted: 8/15/2007 11:25:30 AM EDT
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Sorry, I meant to say second mortgage/home equity loan. |
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Posted: 8/15/2007 11:27:18 AM EDT
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Do it. |
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Posted: 8/15/2007 11:33:41 AM EDT
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Move Michigan to the No-Go column. 1. You can own Machine Guns, but you cannot own SBRs, SBSs or supressors. 2. They have shall issue concealed carry, but you cannot carry a gun otherwise unless you are hunting. In fact, if you are driving in your car and you don't have a CHL then your gun must be in a case and in the trunk with your ammo in the glove box, or it is considered carrying a concealed weapon, which is a 5 year felony. Also, if you don't have a CHL, then you have to be a member of a shooting range to even transport a handgun in your car or it is also considered to be carrying a concealed weapon. 3. Taxes are numerous and high. High property taxes, sales tax is 6%, Income tax is 4%. 4. You can get land in the country, but most municipalities restrict what you can and can't do on it. 5. The economy is in the toilet and it has not hit bottom yet. Unemployment is 7%, houses are worthless and it's going to get worse before it gets better. 6. HUGE nanny state mentality. The welfare queen is practically the state bird. 7. There is huge corruption in local governments and they require permits and inspections for just about everything you would want to do on your own property. Hell, you can't even have a yard sale in most cities without a permit from the city. 8. Speaking of permits, if you want to buy a handgun without a CHL, then you have to have a purchase permit from the local police chief or sheriff. You also have to register your handguns. Also, anything under 29" (I think it's 29") is considered a pistol, so AK underfolders and alot of pistol grip shotguns have to be registered. 9. Winter sucks...BAD! |
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Posted: 8/15/2007 11:35:01 AM EDT
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Arizona is full.......
Of illegals.  
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Posted: 8/15/2007 11:37:55 AM EDT
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LoL to me it will always be Wild and Wonderful. Most of the people I know don't care for open for business either. |
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Posted: 8/15/2007 11:40:05 AM EDT
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Florida is the Gunshine State!
 That being said...stay the F out!
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Posted: 8/15/2007 12:01:32 PM EDT
[#18]
You wouldn't like Iowa.
We have no restrictions on mag. capacity, Open Carry is not allowed Concealed Carry is at the discretion of the sheriff NFA only if you are a dealer Taxes, eh. Better than some, worse than others-they get it no matter what. Ground is good, tho!  Political values-like other places, conservative in the rural areas, population centers are very liberal (Des Moines/Iowa City). "Our Liberties We Prize and Our Rights We Will Maintain" is the state motto. |
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Posted: 8/15/2007 12:06:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/15/2007 12:06:29 PM EDT
[#20]
Don't worry, we are already on the NoGo list. He likes cold weather. |
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Posted: 8/15/2007 12:08:50 PM EDT
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What about Vermont? I've heard outside of the granola hippy types it's nice.
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Posted: 8/15/2007 12:16:16 PM EDT
[#22]
He's right , I hate it !!! NO I'm NOT joking .............. |
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Posted: 8/15/2007 12:20:02 PM EDT
[#23]
My State...
 Nothing to see here, move along.
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Posted: 8/15/2007 12:21:58 PM EDT
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Interesting... I may investigate jobs and such up there... I'm a Virginian, but it seems like this state is slowly going down the crapper, thanks to our neighbors in the north. |
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Posted: 8/15/2007 12:22:04 PM EDT
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MN
it's cold and it helps keep out the riff raff. The only bad things is no supressors and the bridges fall down everyonce in a while |
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Posted: 8/15/2007 12:28:51 PM EDT
[#26]
come to NY
its great here!   very gun friendly too! 
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Posted: 8/15/2007 12:41:09 PM EDT
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Don't come to Texas. It hot and everybody is a hick.
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Posted: 8/15/2007 12:44:03 PM EDT
[#28]
Montana meets most of your requirements, you can have my spot. The thought of another 9 month long winter isn't doing a lot for me right now
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Posted: 8/15/2007 1:21:46 PM EDT
[#29]
You could trade 9 months of winter for 9 months of summer. My wife's family did that. They moved from Alaska to Florida. |
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Posted: 8/15/2007 1:22:50 PM EDT
[#30]
As one of the hometown guys sig says. Oregon the only
and NFA friendly state on the west coast.
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Posted: 8/15/2007 1:25:43 PM EDT
[#31]
You expect me to try and sell you on NY or NJ?
How's this: STAY THE FRACK AWAY!
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Posted: 8/15/2007 6:58:00 PM EDT
[#32]
Indeed. Utah might be nice, but we have an ever-increasing number of illegals. And the state, and most municipalities, are more than happy to see to their needs. We'll give drivers licenses to them. We give them in-state tuition. We give them 'free' medical care. And the power brokers in this state are hell bent on turning us into the next California. Our governor is the epitome of RINO republicans. He's a one world socialist who is a lapdog to the left, just like our previous governor Leavitt. And gun laws have not improved. They've pebbled away at them, shooting down every pro-gun bill in the legislature, and only passing (by wide margins) the anti-gun 'feel good' measures. That feels better. |
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Posted: 8/15/2007 7:00:20 PM EDT
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TEXAS
'nuff said. |
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Posted: 8/15/2007 7:06:08 PM EDT
[#34]
New Mexico isn't too bad but you should look into learning spanish if you move here. I t really isn't too bad in most areas except when you talk to someone from back east and they think you live in another country. The CCW is not too hard to get and gun laws are pretty open.
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Posted: 8/15/2007 7:16:32 PM EDT
[#35]
ummm..........no, stay away
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Posted: 8/15/2007 7:24:39 PM EDT
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Kentucky
- Conservative values Very much so. Though Northern KY (suburb of Cincinatti) and Lexington are more liberal the rest of the state is staunchly conservative. - Little to no infringement upon open and concealed carry Open Carry check, Concealed carry requires a 6 hour class which is a cinch - No firearm restrictions (NFA, magazine capacity limits, AWB, etc...) No restrictions - Low taxes (for comparison, VA sales tax is 5%) Sales Tax: 6% - A perceived sense of preserved liberty - meaning that there's nothing (at the state level, anyway) which makes you say "This is unconstitutional and infringes upon my liberty" Good to go! Kentucky Constitution Section 1:7 "The right to bear arms in defense of themselves and of the State, subject to the power of the General Assembly to enact laws to prevent persons from carrying concealed weapons". - (ETA) Ideally, I'd like a place where I could get a sizeable plot of land to grow crops and hunt on. Lots of good cheap land for farming and hunting, plenty of rain and sunshine, not too cold I chose to move to Kentucky just a little over a year ago for the following reasons. 1. Closer to family 2. Low cost of living, affordable housing market, affordable land 3. Centrally located I can get to The following large cities in around 3 hrs or less from Lexington: Indianapolis IN, Cincinnati OH, Nashville TN, Knoxville TN, Columbus OH, Charleston, WV. Louisville, KY 4. Nice climate. Monthly average temperatures range from a high of 87.6 degrees to a low of 23.1 degrees. 5. Strong tradition of shooting sports and hunting 6. Gorgeous terrain, the rolling hills of the bluegrass to the wilderness areas of Red River Gorge and Daniel Boone National Forrest 7. Many large lakes if you enjoy boating/fishing 8. Lexington is pretty diverse because of the University and Lexmark both which attract a lot Indians, Pakis, and Europeans. Hence we have pretty good restaurant selection. The Toyota plant in Georgetown brings many Japanese people and with them awesome sushi joints. The DMV registration is not computerized, I don't care for Western Kentucky style BBQ, The University of Kentucky basketball fans are rabid. |
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Posted: 8/15/2007 8:00:46 PM EDT
[#37]
Kentucky and Pennsylvania are on my research list too.
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Posted: 8/15/2007 8:13:50 PM EDT
[#38]
Um... I can tell you right now. IL's out.
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Posted: 8/15/2007 8:13:53 PM EDT
[#39]
Louisiana is workable just avoid NOLA and Baton Rouge. If you think Shreveport perhaps, just buy accross the River in Bossier.
Bossier's Democrat population is not going up Shreveport's is. Plenty of rural areas no state gun laws, open carry is legal there is about a 40% chance of police encounter if you do though. Yes we have tards/libs on the police forces here. |
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Posted: 8/16/2007 4:46:17 AM EDT
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I notice you live in Tennessee. Is there a reason you're researching moving to Kentucky or Pennsylvania? I ask because Tennessee is one of the states I want to look into a bit more. Tell me about it (the pros and the cons) if you don't mind. _MaH ETA: Wheee! Post #800!
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Posted: 8/16/2007 5:36:36 AM EDT
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Missouri is full.
Besides, you won't like our weather. Yesterday was 108F at my house. Sometime between the 20th of November and the end of February the temperature will be 5 below zero, and could go as low as -20F. The humidity is nearly always 90% or higher. Taxes are high, and liberalism is rampant. Sales tax in nearly every municipality is 9.5% or more. You will have to write checks to the state for income tax, and to the county for your real estate and personal property. Land prices are stratospheric, precisely because of all the people that moved in here from California, Arizona, and Florida. A large parcel of farm land is $40k per acre, small parcels run to $60k, and building lots in the St. Louis area are about $80k per acre. You can't own a suppressor in Missouri. Gas prices are $3.60 per gallon. Milk is $6 per gallon, and this is the state with the second largest dairy producton in the US. f you build on a private lot, your well needs to 1000 feet deep to get to water. The ground in the south part of the state is so rocky it will barely grow a weed, and the clay is so thick in the north half of the state that water runs off and never soaks in. We have ticks and chiggers aplenty to supply the entire US, but for some reason they decided to settle here. If you are single, the girls here are so ugly they would stop two trains. They have no problem getting a man however, because they are big enough to catch one and haul him off for their entertainment. The dogs are mean and the cats hate people. We have 6 or 7 kinds of poisonous snakes, plus black widow and brown recluse spiders, and scorpions. Armadillos, too; they carry the virus that causes leprosy. The deer have mad cow disease, and their ticks all carry Lyme Disease. The skunks are mean and aggressive and carry rabies. The coyotes are on the hunt for cute and fuzzy pets for a midnight snack. Our politicians are morons, too, but that's probably universal across the country, so I guess that is a neutral factor. |
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Posted: 8/16/2007 5:40:08 AM EDT
[#42]
You can try SE Ohio. Plenty of cheap land and low population density. We do have that pesky 30 round mag limit for centerfire semi autos though. I have not found it a hinderence to my enjoyment.
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Posted: 8/16/2007 6:03:12 AM EDT
[#43]
    Arizona. And that's just for starters. |
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Posted: 8/16/2007 6:22:38 AM EDT
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All I see are a bunch of back-stops...
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Posted: 8/16/2007 6:37:57 AM EDT
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I know you ruled out Alaska, but I think you should reconsider. If I had my choice I would move there today. Cold weather and all, its the last frontier and its beautiful.
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Posted: 8/16/2007 6:55:03 AM EDT
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From what I have heard/seen, it is indeed a very beautiful state. Unfortunately, it's too far for my tastes. Would be fun to visit one day, though  _MaH |
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Posted: 8/16/2007 7:06:42 AM EDT
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Georgia has taken in the quota of outsiders for the year. Feel free to apply again next year.
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Posted: 8/16/2007 7:22:31 AM EDT
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Utah is nice, for now, but like you said, the influx of CA residents (liberal ones), illegals, and socialistic politicians are ruining the state. While I'm happy to live here for now, I'm starting to look at New Hampshire myself. Besides, it doesn't matter anyway, we're full. |
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Posted: 8/16/2007 7:54:12 AM EDT
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Don't get me wrong, I love Tennessee, but I hate Memphis. Tennessee is a very conservative state(except for Memphis), very gun friendly, with lots of good people, good vittles, and beautiful women. I hate the racial tension in Memphis, the corrupt politics, the crime, and the weather in the summer (106 yesterday). I want cooler weather, cheaper land, and less crime. I am doing research now because in 5 to 10 years, I am outta the Memphis area. East and Middle Tennessee are great, and are also on my short list, along with Ohio, Penn., Kentucky, and about 6 states out west. |
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Posted: 8/16/2007 8:02:07 AM EDT
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If you can, buy a few acres in NE TN now, while you still can get it reasonable, put a cheap travel trailer on it for a vacation place. |
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