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Posted: 9/8/2013 7:59:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:Certain things I very much agree, but for half of it, I do not.Driving a car is a way of life versus riding a motorcycle, is a chosen lifestyle. Everyone should learn to shoot, but not everyone should own a gun, obvious reason's why. Fire fighting, first aid, second language, reading maps, is important as it's very essential to society as a whole, martial arts, I'm not too sure, unless you're using it as a form to instill responsibility and discipline (which is useful for gun shooting too). As for maintenance, not everyone has the ability to problem solve before wrenching, as reasoning's can be blocked by those with a total loss of emotional control while frustrated. You probably don't know this but there are a large amount of people who do not own a car but only own a motorcycle. Riding motorcycles or driving cars can be a way of life or not equally. My list did not say you needed to own anything. My list also says "Basic maintenance" and martial arts is exactly for what it is intended for being self defense. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 8:08:41 PM EDT
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You probably don't know this but there are a large amount of people who do not own a car but only own a motorcycle. Riding motorcycles or driving cars can be a way of life or not equally. My list did not say you needed to own anything. My list also says "Basic maintenance" and martial arts is exactly for what it is intended for being self defense. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:Certain things I very much agree, but for half of it, I do not.Driving a car is a way of life versus riding a motorcycle, is a chosen lifestyle. Everyone should learn to shoot, but not everyone should own a gun, obvious reason's why. Fire fighting, first aid, second language, reading maps, is important as it's very essential to society as a whole, martial arts, I'm not too sure, unless you're using it as a form to instill responsibility and discipline (which is useful for gun shooting too). As for maintenance, not everyone has the ability to problem solve before wrenching, as reasoning's can be blocked by those with a total loss of emotional control while frustrated. You probably don't know this but there are a large amount of people who do not own a car but only own a motorcycle. Riding motorcycles or driving cars can be a way of life or not equally. My list did not say you needed to own anything. My list also says "Basic maintenance" and martial arts is exactly for what it is intended for being self defense. Our forefather's and my bro's and sister's didn't give a blank check with our live's for someone to tell us what we should or shouldn't learn or operate. Telling our kid's in school that it's okay not to give the Pledge of Allegiance is something to be concerned with; learning to ride and operate a motorcycle is the least in priorities. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 8:12:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I do think that everyone should be forced to wear leather chaps. This is actually posted on the wall when you enter my home. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 8:21:47 PM EDT
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Quoted: I think so. You would have fun. It would put a completely different perspective on peoples' minds and make the world a different place. Forced.  Maybe you should be "forced" to give up your firearms. Or forced to have FSA strangers live in your house. Perhaps you should be forced to donate blood each and every week for a year. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 8:23:32 PM EDT
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Only when the donor organ supply runs low.
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Posted: 9/8/2013 8:26:56 PM EDT
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Should we make you suck a cock to see if you actually like doing it or not?
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Posted: 9/8/2013 8:29:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: we make you suck a cock to see if you actually like doing it or not This is also posted on the wall when you enter my home. Under the part about the chaps. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 8:30:48 PM EDT
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No chaps, no cocksucking, no dice.
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Posted: 9/8/2013 8:35:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/8/2013 8:36:17 PM EDT
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I think so. You would have fun. It would put a completely different perspective on peoples' minds and make the world a different place. Yes, they work very well in blizzards. 
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Posted: 9/8/2013 8:40:36 PM EDT
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Like all the time? No.
There are days I jump on my motorcycle, head out of the neighborhood, and something does not feel right, so I go home, and take my truck instead. And maybe not everyone. Most of my kids are coordinated, and good with balance. One falls upstairs frequently, and is horrendous on a bicycle. He would not last long, and we like him. :) |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 8:43:49 PM EDT
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No but they should be strongly incentivized. Fuck spending taxpayer dollars subsidizing electric cars, motorcycles are easier on the roads and the environment. There should be zero annual registration fees for two wheel vehicles in every state, and the govt can take the money they piss away on hybrids and electric cars and provide subsidies to scooter/motorcycle purchases instead. Install motorcycle lanes, and more bike-only parking.
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Posted: 9/8/2013 8:50:04 PM EDT
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with the number of people out there that can't even drive a car without almost killing themselves or others.. I'd say no on putting them on 2 wheels...
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Posted: 9/8/2013 9:11:07 PM EDT
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One day a year where the entire population has to ride a motorcycle, brought to you by Live Leak.
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Posted: 9/8/2013 9:12:33 PM EDT
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I think so. You would have fun. It would put a completely different perspective on peoples' minds and make the world a different place. I used to ride. Got my liter bike up to 186 mph once. Never again. Sold both bikes last year. If I want to go fast I have a twin turbo vette. Never again on 2. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 9:13:10 PM EDT
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with the number of people out there that can't even drive a car without almost killing themselves or others.. I'd say no on putting them on 2 wheels... This. I think PSAs about motorcycles would be good, and more motorcycle info on driver's tests, and stupid people having their license revoked... |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 9:16:46 PM EDT
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with the number of people out there that can't even drive a car without almost killing themselves or others.. I'd say no on putting them on 2 wheels... Most of them would self-eliminate from the gene pool, and do it without taking anybody else with them. Sounds like a good thing to me. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 9:19:30 PM EDT
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I think so. You would have fun. It would put a completely different perspective on peoples' minds and make the world a different place. All Harley riders should do a million man ride, and then crash in one big fireball. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 9:20:48 PM EDT
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Not what I was specifically thinking. I posted my reasons earlier. But either way, theres no legit reason NOT to learn. Refusing to learn, anything, is retarded. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Forced? Of course not. That being said, it wouldnt hurt to learn. Same way I think everyone should know how to drive stick. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile again, why? for what? I don't know if the following is anything relative to what NY_Shooter was thinking, but learning to drive a stick is a very direct and intuitive method for learning how your car works, and what it's doing, when you press the pedal.  Not what I was specifically thinking. I posted my reasons earlier. But either way, theres no legit reason NOT to learn. Refusing to learn, anything, is retarded. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile you guys missed the whole point obviously, learning to drive a stick is beneficial, same as learning any other new skill is beneficial. however, that's not the point 1. the OP said he wants other people to ride motorcycles 2. this next guy says he wants other people to learn to drive a stick 3. I question why having other people do either was important to you. Because who cares. the usefulness of knowing how to drive a stick is not the issue |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 9:38:54 PM EDT
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No but they should be strongly incentivized. Fuck spending taxpayer dollars subsidizing electric cars, motorcycles are easier on the roads and the environment. There should be zero annual registration fees for two wheel vehicles in every state, and the govt can take the money they piss away on hybrids and electric cars and provide subsidies to scooter/motorcycle purchases instead. Install motorcycle lanes, and more bike-only parking. I think of a motorcycle as the world's worst form of transportation. An accident that would be nothing at all in a car is a bone-smashing disaster on a motorcycle. a friend of mine got lightly sideswiped by a car while riding a motorcycle, the other guy's door handle ripped the guy's kneecap right off his leg, the doctors wanted to amputate his leg. in a car, that accident would have been just some dents and scraped paint. a relative of mine, a lifelong rider, dumped his bike in a dry wash on a curve, broke his neck and died on the spot I think the actual statistics are that you are 16 times as likely to die in a motorcycle accident than a car accident. Which is not all surprising considering that a car is a giant steel box with seatbelts, padding and airbags in it. what's the "crumple zone' on a bike? answer: your ribcage on top of that, the roads are a little more than a smash-up derby. people drive like shit, they even text now. when I buy a car, I do a test: I ask myself, "Would I be willing to be rammed by an SUV while driving this car?" If the answer is no, then the car doesn't get bought. finally, it's cold here 6 or 7 months out of the year you'd freeze your ass off |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 9:41:40 PM EDT
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One day a year where the entire population has to ride a motorcycle, brought to you by Live Leak. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 9:42:35 PM EDT
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Only if it can be done quietly.
Loud pipes are for dicks. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 9:43:01 PM EDT
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Most of them would self-eliminate from the gene pool, and do it without taking anybody else with them. Sounds like a good thing to me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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with the number of people out there that can't even drive a car without almost killing themselves or others.. I'd say no on putting them on 2 wheels... Most of them would self-eliminate from the gene pool, and do it without taking anybody else with them. Sounds like a good thing to me.
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Posted: 9/8/2013 9:50:16 PM EDT
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Why yes, because it's just what we need moar of:
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Posted: 9/8/2013 10:17:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not mature enough to ride a motorcycle. Nearly ALL of my friends are EMS/Fire or Nurses and holy hell the stories I hear. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 10:19:43 PM EDT
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This, but adding "on the public roads". I love dirt bikes. I wouldn't drive a damn Smart Car on public streets, let alone a motorcycle. Nearly ALL of my friends are EMS/Fire or Nurses and holy hell the stories I hear. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not mature enough to ride a motorcycle. Nearly ALL of my friends are EMS/Fire or Nurses and holy hell the stories I hear. do tell |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 10:22:44 PM EDT
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... ah hells nah Many American men don't have the balls - and we'd all suffer for it this It's not lack of balls, it's lack of interest (and money). I just don't care to. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 10:25:55 PM EDT
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Never know when it may come in handy. Just a random personal example; Spent the day at a water park in the summer heat with my GF and her friend. I was ass tired and we had a 3 hour trip back home. My car was a manual. Neither of them could drive stick, so I had to drive the whole way. On top of that, Im like an infant who falls asleep in vehicles, even when Im not dead tired from spending the day out in the summer heat. Your problem solving skills suck. Drive to the highway entrance. Get in the passenger seat, shift for them until they are up to speed, then sleep until your exit. Been there, done that. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 10:28:27 PM EDT
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A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. -Robert A. Heinlein I can't conn a ship or program in anything other than BASIC. My sonnets suck, but I can do it. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 10:29:02 PM EDT
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I want to learn to drive an 18-wheeler. I heard when you don't have a trailer you can haul ass. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My dad always said you shouldn't be able to get your license until you drive a motorcycle 500 miles, and at the end of the 500 miles they give you the keys to an 18 wheeler and you have to drive it back to where you started. If you are 1. Still alive. 2. Ever want to drive again, have at it. Easy peasey.  I want to learn to drive an 18-wheeler. I heard when you don't have a trailer you can haul ass. But you can't fucking stop. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 10:32:22 PM EDT
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Should we make you suck a cock to see if you actually like doing it or not? See, this is why I sometimes think we need a "Like" button. Not sucking cocks, but your post. Just to be clear. No homo... |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 10:33:16 PM EDT
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Your problem solving skills suck. Drive to the highway entrance. Get in the passenger seat, shift for them until they are up to speed, then sleep until your exit. Been there, done that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Never know when it may come in handy. Just a random personal example; Spent the day at a water park in the summer heat with my GF and her friend. I was ass tired and we had a 3 hour trip back home. My car was a manual. Neither of them could drive stick, so I had to drive the whole way. On top of that, Im like an infant who falls asleep in vehicles, even when Im not dead tired from spending the day out in the summer heat. Your problem solving skills suck. Drive to the highway entrance. Get in the passenger seat, shift for them until they are up to speed, then sleep until your exit. Been there, done that. He put himself in that situation by getting a vehicle that only he can drive, so in a nutshell, he caused his own problem. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 10:49:30 PM EDT
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He put himself in that situation by getting a vehicle that only he can drive, so in a nutshell, he caused his own problem. Well, I was trying to be kind and supportive. Your avatar, is that a Lithuanian wolf? |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 10:53:02 PM EDT
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Well, I was trying to be kind and supportive. Your avatar, is that a Lithuanian wolf? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He put himself in that situation by getting a vehicle that only he can drive, so in a nutshell, he caused his own problem. Well, I was trying to be kind and supportive. Your avatar, is that a Lithuanian wolf? 
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Posted: 9/8/2013 11:01:40 PM EDT
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Nope! I'm a GoT's nerd: House Stark sigil of the Direwolf.
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He put himself in that situation by getting a vehicle that only he can drive, so in a nutshell, he caused his own problem. Well, I was trying to be kind and supportive. Your avatar, is that a Lithuanian wolf?
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Posted: 9/8/2013 11:17:58 PM EDT
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I can't conn a ship or program in anything other than BASIC. My sonnets suck, but I can do it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. -Robert A. Heinlein I can't conn a ship or program in anything other than BASIC. My sonnets suck, but I can do it. What the hell does "conn a ship" mean? *eta apparently it means steer... But it can't just say that for some reason, it has to try and sound smart buts full of damn shit like Heinlein's bitch ass is |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 11:20:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What the hell does "conn a ship" mean? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. -Robert A. Heinlein I can't conn a ship or program in anything other than BASIC. My sonnets suck, but I can do it. What the hell does "conn a ship" mean? You should also be able to use a dictionary and/or google in order to become self sufficient in answering your own dumb questions, instead of relying on others to answer for you. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=define%3A+conn |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 11:20:46 PM EDT
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What the hell does "conn a ship" mean? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. -Robert A. Heinlein I can't conn a ship or program in anything other than BASIC. My sonnets suck, but I can do it. What the hell does "conn a ship" mean? Drive a large ship, as in telling the engine room what to do, steering what to do, navigate, etc. Yes, I am an enabler. Forgive me, Hrairoo. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 11:25:03 PM EDT
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You should also be able to use a dictionary and/or google in order to become self sufficient in answering your own dumb questions, instead of relying on others to answer for you. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=define%3A+conn Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. -Robert A. Heinlein I can't conn a ship or program in anything other than BASIC. My sonnets suck, but I can do it. What the hell does "conn a ship" mean? You should also be able to use a dictionary and/or google in order to become self sufficient in answering your own dumb questions, instead of relying on others to answer for you. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=define%3A+conn I did. See edit. Thanks for being a dick though. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 11:57:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/9/2013 12:02:16 AM EDT
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They say riding a motorcycle makes you a better car driver.
You learn to PAY ATTENTION.
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Posted: 9/9/2013 12:04:34 AM EDT
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NOT A CHANCE!
Not unless the country is out to kill and maim a lot of people. Consider 
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Posted: 9/9/2013 12:11:46 AM EDT
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They say riding a motorcycle makes you a better car driver. You learn to PAY ATTENTION. See the post above for clarification. |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 12:13:50 AM EDT
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Amusing how some bike riders, many bike riders, hold this illusion that they are somehow more free than those on 4 wheels. As if your choice of transportation provides you with a special measure of independence.
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Posted: 9/9/2013 12:22:51 AM EDT
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Naw man. There's certain people that I feel like shouldn't stand within 10 feet of a motorcycle. Just like there's some people that I think shouldn't stand within 10 feet of an automobile.
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Posted: 9/9/2013 12:58:48 AM EDT
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I think I've been to enough funeral's of guy's just week's home after a deployment, been through some serious shit, PH's an all, only to get killed while riding a bike. And these were expert riders, too. I'm not one to ban what you see as enjoyment and I won't talk down to anyone who rides, but neither will I endorse something or put myself on a bike that I see as a reckless behavior, IMHO. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think so. You would have fun. It would put a completely different perspective on peoples' minds and make the world a different place.
I think I've been to enough funeral's of guy's just week's home after a deployment, been through some serious shit, PH's an all, only to get killed while riding a bike. And these were expert riders, too. I'm not one to ban what you see as enjoyment and I won't talk down to anyone who rides, but neither will I endorse something or put myself on a bike that I see as a reckless behavior, IMHO. You know that feeling you get when you roll outside the wire where your brain is in the ON position and your body is relaxed ready to take on anything? That's what getting on a bike is like. It's real your in the moment just like you are over there. It's not reckless it's an addictive activity that's just shy of heroin or pussy. |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:06:45 AM EDT
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It would teach a lot of shitty drivers how to be better drivers and how to pay attention a lot better and anticipate a lot of things better.
Id say at least 18 months of mandatory motorcycle riding and no cages until the 18 months is up. |
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:06:57 AM EDT
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I find sex to be very fun but I doubt people forced to do it would feel the same. Also as a side not i don't think they should be forced to either...
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Posted: 9/9/2013 1:40:34 AM EDT
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hell no
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Posted: 9/9/2013 3:48:41 AM EDT
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I think so. You would have fun. It would put a completely different perspective on peoples' minds and make the world a different place. Well in theory I've always been for it.. same goes for a semi.. the theory is that people will understand that semi's can't stop fast and when everyone get's in front of them at lights your cutting their braking distance.. I try and drive nice around them but I'm not a semi driver so that's the only real thing I know..heard it from a trucker decades ago. For motorcycles it would be look before you leap.. look for 3 seconds straight and then check again before you go... I always look in the rear view mirror before changing lanes then I look out the window...motorcycles can hide behind an A-Pillar.. the thing to the left or right of your windshield that blocks your view.. so it's good to give it a few seconds to make sure nothing is hiding there. Riding a motorcycles ass into a tight corner, or small roundabout.. actually had a dickhead on my ass and I had to lean right to enter the roundabout and then lean left to drive in it.. the dumb ass nearly ran me out of the roundabout because he was so aggressive and assumed I was going to turn right giving a motorcycle space from behind.. this allows other cars to see them further back so they aren't so likely to try to merge into the motorcycles lane.. I think a lot of people who think motorcylist are all crazy asshole rider's would have a change of heart once they realized that all the idiots in cages are trying to kill them... if you experienced have no cage to protect you and two wheels to keep you going perhaps you would see everything differently.. and yes there are still assholes on bikes.. there are assholes in everything... but I think a lot of bikers get a bad rap.. if your life was on the line perhaps you would ride the same way they do!
Bikes are also very fun.. about as close to feeling like superman.. wind.. and the steering.. riding S-curves.. the power of no weight ie cars take so long to go because they are heavy! |
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