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Posted: 4/22/2019 2:44:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/28/2019 11:03:12 PM EDT by EdwardAvila]
Link Posted: 4/23/2019 3:33:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/24/2019 4:44:01 AM EDT by Royalwithcheese]
Saw one of these in person today. Very cool product and actually more solid than I thought it would be. Seemed to be well machined.
Link Posted: 4/23/2019 3:39:22 PM EDT
That's an odd way of saying I don't value this place and I'd like to close my account.

On topic, definitely interested in the range report. Is this going to see a bunch of rounds?
Link Posted: 4/23/2019 3:41:53 PM EDT
It's certainly an interesting design.
Link Posted: 4/23/2019 11:24:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/23/2019 11:28:26 PM EDT by 44-40pro]
I can personally attest to the outstanding Dead Foot Arms part of this firearm assembly. I sold several of the DFA MCSs through my shop and own/use a couple my self. Latest iteration is on my side charging 9mm AR9. It is now a braced AR9. The DFA unit is very well made with zero wiggle, a requirement for me when it comes to folding stocks.

No experience with any of the front end stuff......yet. Is it sold separately.......guess I'll go read the ad copy and find out.

ETA: Ouch.
Link Posted: 4/24/2019 1:41:30 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/24/2019 9:06:12 AM EDT
This is the system an Arfcommer posted a prototype of about a year ago?

Will the Foldar work with a Maxim CQB collapsing stock? (clearance for the rods when folded?)
Link Posted: 4/24/2019 9:08:36 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kuraki:
This is the system an Arfcommer posted a prototype of about a year ago?

Will the Foldar work with a Maxim CQB collapsing stock? (clearance for the rods when folded?)
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Looking at it, yes. The rods will ride below the folded upper, just above the safety.
Link Posted: 4/24/2019 9:16:16 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By jaqufrost:

Looking at it, yes. The rods will ride below the folded upper, just above the safety.
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Thanks. That's how it looked to me as well.

I'm interested in a 12.5" folding upper to pair with a Maxim for a roughly flush fold in half package that uses a standard BCG.
Link Posted: 4/24/2019 9:31:03 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kuraki:
Thanks. That's how it looked to me as well.

I'm interested in a 12.5" folding upper to pair with a Maxim for a roughly flush fold in half package that uses a standard BCG.
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That will be pretty sweet.
Link Posted: 4/24/2019 9:43:10 AM EDT
They're certainly cool. You really need to pair it with the dead foot folding stock for maximum compactness.

Looks like it would potentially fit in a truck center console.
Link Posted: 4/24/2019 9:47:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/24/2019 10:45:23 AM EDT by Kuraki]
ETA I IM'd about different lengths. I really want a 12 or 12.5" Grendel, and while I like the skinny barrels the 16" comes with it doesn't really allow to cut one down myself.
Link Posted: 4/24/2019 10:43:52 AM EDT
Let’s mark this off as a need
Link Posted: 4/24/2019 11:27:56 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/24/2019 11:39:17 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By EdwardAvila:

I will try this and post a photo of it later today...
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Link Posted: 4/24/2019 3:41:45 PM EDT
That is beautiful on several levels
Link Posted: 4/24/2019 4:37:23 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/24/2019 4:38:57 PM EDT
Awesome. Thank you!
Link Posted: 4/24/2019 5:28:33 PM EDT
I think a 12" with a short single chamber brake would be an almost perfect fit with the maxim brace.
Link Posted: 4/25/2019 8:28:34 PM EDT
I want to pre-order the 9” but it looks like the only option is for a stainless barrel behind the flash hider? That’s a deal breaker for me. Bummer.
Link Posted: 4/25/2019 10:28:21 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/26/2019 9:36:04 AM EDT
@Kuraki - any plans to go forward with a FoldAR grendel build? If so, what parts will you use? I'm assuming you will want magnified optics, will you go ACOG style to keep the optic from protruding past the fold point?
Link Posted: 4/26/2019 10:18:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/26/2019 10:20:13 AM EDT by Kuraki]
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Originally Posted By jaqufrost:

@Kuraki - any plans to go forward with a FoldAR grendel build? If so, what parts will you use? I'm assuming you will want magnified optics, will you go ACOG style to keep the optic from protruding past the fold point?
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If FoldAR is offering the lengths they're offering and that's that, then I need to know the diameter of the barrel near 12" length to decide.

The way it looks to me right now is that to get what I want, I'd have to order a long barrel, cut it down, then deal with the lack of material for a new shoulder by either making a muzzle device that bottoms out on the muzzle, or by silver soldering a sleeve, or, figure out how to disassemble it and just replace the barrel with the one I want (I have no idea if this is using standard AR barrels and extensions?).

$1k for an upper that I then have to modify to get what I want isn't real high on my list of things to do. What I really wish is that (and again I don't know if the design allows for it) that they'd sell the upper and folding mechanism/rail for people to assemble with the barrel of their choice for ~$600.

But I would really like a 12" 6.5 Grendel with a Maxim CQB stock, and I have a TA11 I could throw on it for the time being, eventually upgrade that to an ATACR 1-8x which is receiver length or damn near.

ETA: This is not a criticism of FoldAR in any way. I've been a fan since he posted his first prototype and think it's brilliant.
Link Posted: 4/26/2019 10:25:32 AM EDT
Yeah, it sucks it couldn't be made with a standard barrel extension. That would make it far easier put your choice of barrel in. But I understand why they're using the tapered extension that lets the fold work. I wonder if they would sell the extension seperately or let you custom order a barrel.
Link Posted: 4/26/2019 11:20:25 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/26/2019 11:23:37 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/26/2019 11:38:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/26/2019 11:43:46 AM EDT by Kuraki]
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Originally Posted By FoldAR:
I wouldn't recommend a 12.5" Grendel, as that caliber is best suited for 16"-20" barrels. 300BLK or 6.8SPC would be much better in 12.5".

We have a basic drawing of the barrel critical dimensions in the manual: https://foldar.com/download.php?file_id=809 at page 38.
This is for people who wish to have a custom barrel fitted.
Unfortunately, you still have to buy the complete upper.
Existing customers will have the option to have their qualified gunsmith use the extension from the factory barrel to turn a custom barrel, or order an extension from us, given stock availability.
We wont sell extensions to prospective customers however.
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Oh now that is very helpful. We don't have to debate the caliber and barrel length here, I'd happily go 6.8 if I could buy both high quality and steel case ammunition for it, but I can't.

Ok I'm in. With that drawing I can do the machine work. What actually retains the barrel in the forearm? I'm not seeing on the drawing. Are 18" Grendels going to be available through Brownell's? Otherwise I'll order a .223 and just buy a BCG for 6.5 separately.

Understand completely your sales decisions.
Link Posted: 4/26/2019 11:44:30 AM EDT
This is a boutique AR that I can get into.

Txl
Link Posted: 4/26/2019 11:52:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/26/2019 11:53:08 AM EDT by Kuraki]
Oh, wait, 13/16-16...

That's standard extension thread pitch right?

Brownells is selling Saturn 6.5 Grendel barrels with a bolt. 18" mid length gas. So I could buy a 16" .223 FoldAR, and that Grendel barrel, and all I have to do is swap extensions and time/headspace after cutting to length.
Link Posted: 4/26/2019 1:06:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/26/2019 1:08:34 PM EDT by Kuraki]
@jaqufrost here's my parts list. Going on my SBR lower. Orders placed. Hoping I can reuse the .223 barrel. We'll see.

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Link Posted: 4/26/2019 1:08:33 PM EDT
Very nice! Figured out the muzzle device/suppressor side of it yet?

I'm thinking a Nomad with a Plan A/short comp might work well.
Link Posted: 4/26/2019 1:16:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By jaqufrost:

Very nice! Figured out the muzzle device/suppressor side of it yet?

I'm thinking a Nomad with a Plan A/short comp might work well.
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I'll probably spin one out for my Form 1 QD 30 cal.

Can't find a photo atm but here's a screenshot of the model. It's a ratchet like AAC.

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However down the road here I will likely be making a shorter, lighter TI can that is QD on A2 flash hiders.
Link Posted: 4/26/2019 1:17:32 PM EDT
Interesting. 1.5" OD? Any clips on your baffles?
Link Posted: 4/26/2019 1:27:22 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By jaqufrost:

Interesting. 1.5" OD? Any clips on your baffles?
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Yes and yes they're clipped. I don't know if crenulating the cones was worth the effort or not.

But I did actually have the opportunity to have this can professionally metered on a 16" .308 and 8" .300 blackout (subs) and it was pretty comparable to cans you can buy. Cones aren't the best for subs IMO but I shoot subs the least anyway. This mostly gets .308 and 6.5x55 shot out of it.
Link Posted: 4/26/2019 1:30:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/26/2019 1:33:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/26/2019 1:35:40 PM EDT by Kuraki]
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Originally Posted By EdwardAvila:
Added photo of 12.5" barrel for comparison with the Maxim/FoldAR above.

The 12.5" was almost exactly to the back of the brace, so take away the extra .5" and add 1" for a short muzzle device, and you'll be just over the lower's length.
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Sweet! Thanks Edward.

I can't wait to get this thing built.

Then find a case that'll hold the gun, optic, can and a mag or two.
Link Posted: 4/26/2019 2:46:39 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/26/2019 10:02:42 PM EDT
would rather see the model to be honest
Link Posted: 4/28/2019 8:59:04 PM EDT
I saw this on Friday at NRAAM and was very impressed and Deadfoot arms was packed with people looking at it. At first I thought it was a Dolos setup until I was shown otherwise. Big thumbs up for this product.
Link Posted: 5/1/2019 10:31:13 PM EDT
Received mine today. I dunno what these humps are on the bottom face of the upper. Look like tool path error.
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But they won't allow the receiver to close and have to go away. See how they're making contact with the lower above the mag well?

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Link Posted: 5/1/2019 10:33:44 PM EDT
No problem it's only aluminum.

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Link Posted: 5/1/2019 10:44:38 PM EDT
Stupid phone. Lost a long post hitting back

Basically I'm reconsidering my plan and may just cut this barrel to 12" and build an SBR Grendel.

Lots of things to consider how to remediate to get the Faxon barrel in there.
Link Posted: 5/1/2019 11:29:52 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/1/2019 11:34:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By EdwardAvila:

I guess you should have watched the video... those bumps are tensioners to prevent any wiggle between upper and lower. Just have to press upper and lower together...
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Not on my lower. It wasn't possible. I left them proud, so it's under tension, just in case that was intentional. But I couldn't get them closed if I laid on it.
Link Posted: 5/2/2019 12:50:28 AM EDT
Picked up 2 of these a couple weeks ago. a 9" .300 double fold and a 14.5" .223 wylde single fold. It's crazy how fast these deploy from a case or bag. I used a shot timer with the double fold and was always right under 10 seconds from zipped up bag to shot on target.

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The ACOG fit perfectly in the case it came in, could probably even fit a 1-6x24. I wanted to stay light because I thought the rifle would be heavy, but it's surprisingly light.

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Shoots pretty well too. I didn't have much time to set up targets or have a full range day, was just doing work at the ranch this weekend and only had an hour to get some trigger time. here's some groups while I was zeroing with bulk AE XM193 resting on the steering wheel of a polaris with 4x ACOG.

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Link Posted: 5/2/2019 10:13:48 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/2/2019 10:22:59 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By FoldAR:

We have started to see some of the uppers being too tight of a fit on some lowers.
We use only Aero's lowers and all our stuff fits on all their stuff.

But in these few cases of not fitting particular lowers (even when squeezing tight) here is what FoldAR suggests considering when contacting us:
-We will sell an Aero lower to our existing customers who are having a fit problem for $40 (they are normally $90). This offsets the shipping cost on an RMA that might not even be helpful.
-For customers who dont want the lower but still need a fix, we can swap the upper component with parts that are currently in production )which lowers the humps a little and lowers the rear takedown slot a little), in order to fit the other-branded tight lowers better. These wont be ready for another month or so.
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Understandable.

This lower is my oldest SBR lower and is tight with most uppers. Now that Eforms is back I should just get a couple more Aero lowers registered as SBRs.
Link Posted: 5/7/2019 12:44:07 AM EDT
I have been looking at these for a little while.
I either am going to get a 16” double folder which I think equals a setup with a total length of right at 18” Os that true?
I have a 300 std. upper already and installed a laws tactical folder on it. But a 9inch 300 with a pistol receiver and brace may be doable. Currently I do not have a lower receiver designated as a pistol to use the short barrel setup
My secret wish is for a 10mm double folder with a brace- I do worry the brace decision could be revoked anytime and am a bit nervous about being left with a SBR and having to run it thru the F4 WAITING PERIOD. Ugh

So for everyone buying barrels for these that are under 16” ya’ll are all going to form 1 them to SBR-Is that correct?
I want to buy one of these that double fold, the latest iteration, that fires when folded.

Has the cracking of a few gas blocks been studied and changes made yet? That worries me most.
Can the FoldAR gas block be replaced with an adjustable gas block? IF so which would ya’ll recommend

Mark
Link Posted: 5/7/2019 8:59:10 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/11/2019 9:01:49 PM EDT
Well here's mine all buttoned up. I stuck with the 223 barrel and just cut and threaded it so muzzle attachments bottom out on the crown. At this length I had to open the gas port a bit. But I like it, a lot.

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