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Posted: 3/10/2019 9:37:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dragracer_Art]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sheltot: Isn’t this stuff essentially a commercial version of 1680? 12.0gr of the A1680 was only going 980ish fps. I will need to test for accuracy next. |
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Posted: 3/12/2019 10:17:19 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1SubSailor:
Man this is a great thread as I'm just getting started in 300 blk. Thanks for all the info so far gentlemen!! |
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Posted: 3/13/2019 1:24:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DoubleHaul]
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Anyone tried the 217gr Hi-Tek coated Gallant bullets? I just got a bag of 500. Using CFEBLK/CCI400. Loaded up a mag at 12.0gr, 2.25COAL to test out. Learned the hard way that my mixed plinking brass trim lengths are not consistent enough for the flaring die. Even though they have a boat tail they still require a good amount of flare to pull out cleanly.
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Posted: 3/16/2019 8:34:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lilMAC25]
[#4]
Anyone have any load data for Speer Grand Slam 150 gr SP and H110?
Closest I can find on Hogdon.com has 14.6 grains to start out and max of 17.2. I split the difference and went with 15.5 grains.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/17/2019 5:26:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: sheltot]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25:
Anyone have any load data for Speer Grand Slam 150 gr SP and H110? Closest I can find on Hogdon.com has 14.6 grains to start out and max of 17.2. I split the difference and went with 15.5 grains. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/71141/57F3FC22-C32E-470E-B0D9-1067B56A4D29_png-880169.JPG That said, I’d recommend Lil’Gun for that weight. ETA: Don’t select powder type. |
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Posted: 3/17/2019 9:26:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lilMAC25]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sheltot:
Go to speer-ammo.com and go through the menu picks. I found the Grand Slam in the second set. Look at the bottom for Win296. That said, I’d recommend Lil’Gun for that weight. ETA: Don’t select powder type. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sheltot:
Originally Posted By lilMAC25:
Anyone have any load data for Speer Grand Slam 150 gr SP and H110? Closest I can find on Hogdon.com has 14.6 grains to start out and max of 17.2. I split the difference and went with 15.5 grains. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/71141/57F3FC22-C32E-470E-B0D9-1067B56A4D29_png-880169.JPG That said, I’d recommend Lil’Gun for that weight. ETA: Don’t select powder type. First round of reloading of any type. This is more proof of concept for me as opposed to searching for perfection (at least at this point).I’ll grab some lil’Gun for alternate projects later on. Appreciate it. Actually looks like I might be a little underpowered at my current charge.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 3:24:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: NotanATFagent]
[#7]
Any good subsonic loads for 150gr bullets?
Will be for a suppressed 8.5” and needs to cycle and have bolt held open in last round Just trying to keep reloading costs as cheap as possible since it’ll mainly be a plinker |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 3:28:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NotanATFagent:
Any good subsonic loads for 150gr bullets? Will be for a 8.5" suppressed pistol Just trying to keep reloading costs as cheap as possible since it'll mainly be a plinker Want cheap bullets, get Extreme 150 gr plated for supers. Berry's makes a plated 220 gr for subs. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 1:38:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: NotanATFagent]
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dryflash3:
You need 200 gr or more in bullet weight for function. Want cheap bullets, get Extreme 150 gr plated for supers. Berry's makes a plated 220 gr for subs. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dryflash3:
Originally Posted By NotanATFagent:
Any good subsonic loads for 150gr bullets? Will be for a 8.5" suppressed pistol Just trying to keep reloading costs as cheap as possible since it'll mainly be a plinker Want cheap bullets, get Extreme 150 gr plated for supers. Berry's makes a plated 220 gr for subs. Will it leave a lot of residue in your barrel/rifle being copper plated? Also, what’s a good recommended powder and how much powder for a good subsonic round for a plinker? |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 2:11:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NotanATFagent:
Berry's looks interesting Will it leave a lot of residue in your barrel/rifle being copper plated? Also, what's a good recommended powder and how much powder for a good subsonic round for a plinker? Read this thread for loads, I don't do subs. |
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Posted: 3/23/2019 4:59:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25:
Thank you sir! First round of reloading of any type. This is more proof of concept for me as opposed to searching for perfection (at least at this point).I’ll grab some lil’Gun for alternate projects later on. Appreciate it. Actually looks like I might be a little underpowered at my current charge. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/71141/3737A302-6BF7-467F-8FB5-9F439AE6F9A1_png-881678.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25:
Originally Posted By sheltot:
Originally Posted By lilMAC25:
Anyone have any load data for Speer Grand Slam 150 gr SP and H110? Closest I can find on Hogdon.com has 14.6 grains to start out and max of 17.2. I split the difference and went with 15.5 grains. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/71141/57F3FC22-C32E-470E-B0D9-1067B56A4D29_png-880169.JPG That said, I’d recommend Lil’Gun for that weight. ETA: Don’t select powder type. First round of reloading of any type. This is more proof of concept for me as opposed to searching for perfection (at least at this point).I’ll grab some lil’Gun for alternate projects later on. Appreciate it. Actually looks like I might be a little underpowered at my current charge. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/71141/3737A302-6BF7-467F-8FB5-9F439AE6F9A1_png-881678.JPG |
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AK, USA
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Posted: 3/24/2019 12:34:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: dryflash3]
[#12]
<snip> brass that's ready to be primed?
Use the tacked "where to find" thread at the top of the page to ask your question. This thread does not need to be filled with WTF questions. dryflash3 |
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Posted: 4/3/2019 11:07:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: lilMAC25]
[#13]
Anyone pushing 110 gr VMAX with H110 through a 12.5” AAC branded upper?
I’ve loaded some rounds up from min to max charge and now I just need to take them to the range. Seems like this would be a good “thin skinned” game load. |
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Posted: 4/3/2019 11:44:30 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25:
Anyone pushing 110 gr VMAX with H110 through a 12.5" AAC branded upper? I've loaded some rounds up from min to max charge and now I just need to take them to the range. Seems like this would be a good "thin skinned" game load. Barrel ordered, and waiting. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/3/2019 1:00:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25:
Anyone pushing 110 gr VMAX with H110 through a 12.5” AAC branded upper? I’ve loaded some rounds up from min to max charge and now I just need to take them to the range. Seems like this would be a good “thin skinned” game load. Plinked with some 18.8gr/CCI400/2.05in COAL @ ~2,090fps. They feed/function great. I have a ladder loaded up that I haven't grouped yet. They do seem to require some flare to prevent shaving brass due to the flat base. The benefit I'm seeing is that they seem to have the same POA/POI as my 110gr TAC-TX hunting load @ 100yds and are pretty affordable (~30cpr). The 125gr Speer TNT are also worth looking at. With CFEBLK the charges were so compressed that the very thin jacket was getting dented pretty bad with all of my seating stems. |
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Posted: 4/3/2019 4:06:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lilMAC25]
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DoubleHaul:
Yes with Win296 (been told it's the same powder) through my 8.5" 1:7 PSA. Plinked with some 18.8gr/CCI400/2.05in COAL @ ~2,090fps. They feed/function great. I have a ladder loaded up that I haven't grouped yet. They do seem to require some flare to prevent shaving brass due to the flat base. The benefit I'm seeing is that they seem to have the same POA/POI as my 110gr TAC-TX hunting load @ 100yds and are pretty affordable (~30cpr). The 125gr Speer TNT are also worth looking at. With CFEBLK the charges were so compressed that the very thin jacket was getting dented pretty bad with all of my seating stems. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DoubleHaul:
Originally Posted By lilMAC25:
Anyone pushing 110 gr VMAX with H110 through a 12.5” AAC branded upper? I’ve loaded some rounds up from min to max charge and now I just need to take them to the range. Seems like this would be a good “thin skinned” game load. Plinked with some 18.8gr/CCI400/2.05in COAL @ ~2,090fps. They feed/function great. I have a ladder loaded up that I haven't grouped yet. They do seem to require some flare to prevent shaving brass due to the flat base. The benefit I'm seeing is that they seem to have the same POA/POI as my 110gr TAC-TX hunting load @ 100yds and are pretty affordable (~30cpr). The 125gr Speer TNT are also worth looking at. With CFEBLK the charges were so compressed that the very thin jacket was getting dented pretty bad with all of my seating stems.  Attached FileI’ve got multiple 10 round runs (per charge) starting down in the 18.4 range and intend to run it up to the max and maybe .1-.2 gr over (depending on OP indicators). |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2019 11:58:38 AM EDT
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Morning All, Has anyone run Hornaday FTX 160gr? I know they are made for lever guns but I grabbed it on the discount rack at the local GS and was curious how they would run in my 300 and trying to determine a good OAL since they are a little fatter higher up on the bullet. from what I can find it looks like 2.12 looks about where I want to be but this is my first load not running off published data so i'm a little apprehensive of it. Any info or incite would be great. My 300 is a 10.5" BCA barrel 1/8 twist pistol gas system running H110 with CCI 450 primers.
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Posted: 4/5/2019 11:49:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25:
Great info! Thanks. I will eventually be loading TAC-TX 110 gr bullets for hunting, but for now this seemed to be the cheapest way into a “good” hunting round. The Hogdgon numbers suggest a little heavier load though. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/71141/295E67EB-2443-439C-B17E-592FB5C0E739_png-899869.JPG I’ve got multiple 10 round runs (per charge) starting down in the 18.4 range and intend to run it up to the max and maybe .1-.2 gr over (depending on OP indicators). I've been loading tac-tsx bullets with this for several years now and never had an issue with pressures. The accuracy is great in my 9.5" SBR, too, and average speed on the chronograph is around 2130. Barnes 110 grain tac-tx 2.25 oal 20.0 g h110/w296 Wolf SRM primers |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 2:04:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lilMAC25]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rob99rt:
I'm not sure why they bumped down their load data to 19.4 because it used to be 20... I've been loading tac-tsx bullets with this for several years now and never had an issue with pressures. The accuracy is great in my 9.5" SBR, too, and average speed on the chronograph is around 2130. Barnes 110 grain tac-tx 2.25 oal 20.0 g h110/w296 Wolf SRM primers Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rob99rt:
Originally Posted By lilMAC25:
Great info! Thanks. I will eventually be loading TAC-TX 110 gr bullets for hunting, but for now this seemed to be the cheapest way into a “good” hunting round. The Hogdgon numbers suggest a little heavier load though. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/71141/295E67EB-2443-439C-B17E-592FB5C0E739_png-899869.JPG I’ve got multiple 10 round runs (per charge) starting down in the 18.4 range and intend to run it up to the max and maybe .1-.2 gr over (depending on OP indicators). I've been loading tac-tsx bullets with this for several years now and never had an issue with pressures. The accuracy is great in my 9.5" SBR, too, and average speed on the chronograph is around 2130. Barnes 110 grain tac-tx 2.25 oal 20.0 g h110/w296 Wolf SRM primers |
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Posted: 5/14/2019 1:12:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TheGunslinger]
[#20]
Anyone tried 220gr Berry's plated with IMR 4227? I've got an idea where to start, just curious how people like that combo. Clean or dirty burning, accuracy, consistency of velocity?
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2019 4:26:53 PM EDT
[#21]
For anyone running 220gr Berry’s etc subs, what dies are you using? I picked up a Hornady resizer + seater for my lnl ap but I’m noticing it’s going to be shaving the crap out of the 220gr’s plating if I try to seat these bullets as is. I remember reading about someone possibly flaring the cases using a 9mm or maybe 357 ptx (powder through expander) for the Hornady powder drop, but when I just tried out the 9mm ptx the flare was pretty nasty and didn’t seem to help much. I’d like to keep the die count down since I’m using a rcbs lube die along with a powder cop die which is why I tried the ptx method for flaring. But really, I’ll swap dies out to get it to work reliably. Thanks for the help.
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Posted: 5/16/2019 10:28:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: dryflash3]
[#22]
I would contact Hornady and see if they have the seater you need.
Or you could modify the one of the seaters that came with the dies with a bit of epoxy. Not a permanent mod as heating the epoxy will allow it to be removed. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 11:57:43 PM EDT
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Tried out the 4227 and 220gr Berry's.
Seater die is a Forster micrometer die. I too noticed it was trying to seat hard in the brass. Guided the bullet all the way up until the chamber closed around it and supported it. Might pick up a Lyman M die to flare the mouth more. 9.6gr of 4227 at 2.1 COAL, CCI450 giving me 939fps with SD of 15 from an 8in SBR and a TBAC Ultra 5. |
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Posted: 5/17/2019 12:13:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheGunslinger:
Tried out the 4227 and 220gr Berry's. Seater die is a Forster micrometer die. I too noticed it was trying to seat hard in the brass. Guided the bullet all the way up until the chamber closed around it and supported it. Might pick up a Lyman M die to flare the mouth more. 9.6gr of 4227 at 2.1 COAL, CCI450 giving me 939fps with SD of 15 from an 8in SBR and a TBAC Ultra 5. |
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Posted: 5/17/2019 10:23:57 AM EDT
[#25]
I use an M die in my cast bullet loads in 300 blk, works great.
You get the one meant for 30 carbine. If you get the 308 one, it won't adjust low enough for 300 blk. I found a light crimp from a Lee FCD also helps accuracy. |
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Posted: 5/20/2019 6:29:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TheGunslinger]
[#26]
Got my M die in and tried it out with and without expanding.
Expanding made velocities slightly less consistent. As far as I could tell, light crimp with FCD. Accuracy stayed the same I think (50yds with red dot and bad eyesight). More or less crimp? Expanded- 10 shot average of 927fps, 18 SD Not expanded- 10 shot average of 925fps, 25 SD |
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Posted: 10/15/2019 8:52:16 PM EDT
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I have a 16” bolt gun and a pile of Hornady 208gn projectiles. What’s the go to “stupid quiet” loading? I’m open to going and getting any powder I don’t currently have. Will be shooting with an Omega 9k.
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Posted: 10/18/2019 6:26:04 PM EDT
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Measured the distance between the ribs on a D&H 5.56 magazine and Lancer 300BLK magazine.
D&H center to center was 0.540 Lancer was 0.620, it has some flex so measurement was taken with light pressure. Just a data point |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 9:17:34 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dryflash3:
You need 200 gr or more in bullet weight for function. Want cheap bullets, get Extreme 150 gr plated for supers. Berry's makes a plated 220 gr for subs. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 1:25:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lilMAC25]
[#30]
Just finished the 2nd time reload of 50 of the Hornady 300AAC brass that I bought, this time with 125 gr Speer TNT.
Yuck. Neck is being pushed back into the shoulder causing donuts on the neck and shoulder bulges. I processed this brass start to finish taking care to do all the steps and do them correctly (AFAIK, as I AM a novice reloader). The Starline I recently acquired (then loaded and fired 1x) has zero issues despite all of the same steps being followed on the same equipment. This makes me wonder if the issue is shoddy brass. Barring a real shortage, I won’t be purchasing Hornady brass again. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 1:42:53 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25:
125 gr Speer TNT. Yuck. Neck is being pushed back into the shoulder causing donuts on the neck and shoulder bulges. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 1:58:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lilMAC25]
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DoubleHaul:
The Lyman M die neck expander will fix that. I'm loading on a 4 hole classic turret w/ an inline reverse rotation kit and have it setup Lyman M (load/seat primer on this step)-> Lee autodrum charge -> Hornady seating w/ microjust -> Lee Factory Crimp. Anytime I'm using flat based or coated bullets I use the Lyman M now days -- completely eliminated by brass shaving and shoulder crunching issues. Honestly can even get away without the chamfer step when using the M die w/ plated bullets. If I do crunch a shoulder with this setup it's likely from me getting sloppy with my bullet hold during seating. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DoubleHaul:
Originally Posted By lilMAC25:
125 gr Speer TNT. Yuck. Neck is being pushed back into the shoulder causing donuts on the neck and shoulder bulges. Is there a specific one for the 300 AAC? Or do I need the 30 Carbine version? Thanks |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 2:04:24 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25:
@DoubleHaul Is there a specific one for the 300 AAC? Or do I need the 30 Carbine version? |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 8:06:36 PM EDT
[#34]
The .30 Carbine M-die is what you want. It works very well with Blackout.
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Posted: 10/29/2019 10:12:15 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GHPorter:
The .30 Carbine M-die is what you want. It works very well with Blackout. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 10:02:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: lilMAC25]
[#36]
Thanks gentlemen, that’s going into my next order.
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Posted: 10/30/2019 8:18:21 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GHPorter:
The .30 Carbine M-die is what you want. It works very well with Blackout.  Attached File |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:03:46 PM EDT
[#38]
Looks like the SubX 300blk now available as a reloading bullet - .34cp on Midway (not in stock yet) ~40cpr reload cost
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:35:00 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DoubleHaul:
Looks like the SubX 300blk now available as a reloading bullet - .34cp on Midway (not in stock yet) ~40cpr reload cost |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 3:10:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: doubleshot00]
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bobbybananas:
Very cool. I’m set for supersonic 300blk but have been on the hunt for some subs that can actually expand that aren’t $1.50+ per. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bobbybananas:
Originally Posted By DoubleHaul:
Looks like the SubX 300blk now available as a reloading bullet - .34cp on Midway (not in stock yet) ~40cpr reload cost I can attest that it kills just as good as any other bullet I've used in the blackout. I've shot two deer with this round and both deer didn't even act like they got shot. Both times after i shot they bucked, looked around was like "WTF" and took off to only run for about 20 yds. then pile up. I feel that they are not scared as there is no supersonic crack. |
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Posted: 11/2/2019 2:45:22 PM EDT
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Not having any luck with these 217gr Gallant bullets. At 50yds they are printing over 1ft "groups". They do cycle reliably, and appear to be stable. I've tried 3x different 1:7 twist barrels. I was asking around and someone mentioned taking the calipers to one to verify OD - measuring 0.308in -- so I'm guessing they are undersized for cast/PC?
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Posted: 11/2/2019 3:58:02 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shadepuppy:
Here's the part # if you need it https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/315215/IMG_0438_JPG-1142941.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shadepuppy:
Originally Posted By GHPorter:
The .30 Carbine M-die is what you want. It works very well with Blackout. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/315215/IMG_0438_JPG-1142941.JPG Thank you |
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Posted: 11/7/2019 8:11:42 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DoubleHaul:
Looks like the SubX 300blk now available as a reloading bullet - .34cp on Midway (not in stock yet) ~40cpr reload cost |
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Posted: 11/8/2019 10:15:55 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25:
Placed order today. Thank you Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25:
Originally Posted By shadepuppy:
Originally Posted By GHPorter:
The .30 Carbine M-die is what you want. It works very well with Blackout. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/315215/IMG_0438_JPG-1142941.JPG Thank you |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/8/2019 11:29:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Bobbybananas]
[#45]
Any way to keep the neck expander/fl resizing die from mangling the
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Posted: 11/9/2019 8:03:44 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bobbybananas:
Any way to keep the neck expander/fl resizing die from mangling the Another route would be to size and expand in separate steps. Either a Lyman M die as shown above or a Brownells expander die with a carbide mandrel (my preference) will work well. I've yet to crush a case using a Redding FL die though, so I'm betting you have something else going on. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/9/2019 8:32:02 PM EDT
[#47]
I’m running a Hornady die set and I have the ball up a bit since I don’t want to deprime at the moment. I I’ll lower it and test it out.
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Posted: 11/9/2019 10:41:48 PM EDT
[#48]
That sure does sound like the expander ball is so high up that it goes into the case mouth when the case is unsupported.
If you don’t want to deprime at this step, there’s a simple fix: take the depriming pin out of the expander ball. Hornady’s expanders unscrew from the shaft, and their headed pins come right out of the ball. That way you can size and expand at the same time. |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 11/10/2019 11:31:05 AM EDT
[#49]
How critical is case-gage testing when converting 223 brass to 300blk?
Using Lee dies. With my Sheridian gauge, the brass drops right in, then stops just shy of flush with the gauge. But they chamber just fine in my rifle. I adjusted my full length sizing die to move the shoulder down more, but that hasn't seemed to help. |
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Posted: 11/10/2019 12:02:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lokifox]
[#50]
Finally got a chance to shoot some of the Nosler 220's for accuracy using my Micro 7 and Win 296. Last time I tried, someone else at the range was shooting my target and had me extremely confused...
Nosler load data is a bit off for bolt actions. You need to back off a hair more to stay subsonic. Accuracy seems to be 2.5 MOA but I have some better cases I need to try out with a slightly thicker neck. All of them stabilized perfectly contrary to what many on the web purport to have seen. Vertical deviation is more than acceptable using 296. The group was nice and round. Other powders have given me some nasty vertical spread in the 16" barrel. Another item of note - At the Nosler recommended COAL of 2.1" these jam the lands. If you hand load them definitely check your individual firearm. I should probably load a few on the lands to see if that improves accuracy too... My test loads today were .01" off. There's still very little good information on these to include real world performance on game animals or gel testing. I may try to shoot a deer with one next week.  Attached File |
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