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Link Posted: 6/14/2013 5:45:37 PM EDT
[#1]
Yes data for 125 SST is in Hornady 9th. They used Win SR primers in Hornady cases.  Overall length given was 2.100" for the 125 SST.
H110 ----start 14.6-1700fps----15.6-1800---16.7-1900----17.7-2000---max 18.8-2100fps
Lil'Gun---start---14.7-1700------16-1800-----17.3-1900------18.7-2000----max 20.0-2100fps
AA 1680---start 18.3-1700------19.5-1800------max 20.7--1900 fps
  Same data is listed for the Hornady 130 SP. They tested in a S&W 16" 1/7.5  barrel.
Link Posted: 6/14/2013 11:06:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: chevcamo] [#2]
Originally Posted By Minuteman419:
Originally Posted By chevcamo:
Here is Hornady's latest data for 150-155 gr bullets.

<a href="http://s372.photobucket.com/user/csanford/media/IMG_20130613_211419_045_zps4dd64427.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo162/csanford/IMG_20130613_211419_045_zps4dd64427.jpg</a>


Is data in there for the new 125 grain SST please?

Danny


I guess I'll play nice tonight.



ETA: Didn't see the last post on the new page.
Link Posted: 6/14/2013 11:17:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dryflash3] [#3]
Link Posted: 6/14/2013 11:21:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: chevcamo] [#4]
Copy that.

If someone else asks for info, can I IM it to them?
Link Posted: 6/14/2013 11:22:11 PM EDT
[#5]
One loophole in copyright law is that raw data can't be copyrighted.  The formatting, layout, and pictures can be though.  So if you re-enter the data instead of taking pictures, it is generally safer copyright-wise.  Just talking in general terms, I can't speak on forum policy on the matter.
Link Posted: 6/15/2013 1:33:48 AM EDT
[#6]
Link Posted: 6/15/2013 11:43:13 AM EDT
[#7]
Originally Posted By xtreme762:
Originally Posted By rob99rt:
Finally shot some of the 150 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips a few minutes ago.  Had loaded up several with 15.0, 15.3, and 15.6 grains of Lil'Gun behind them with an OAL of 2.07.  I used Wolf SRM primers, mixed brass that I annealed after forming, and all were crimped with a Lee FCD.

~Snip

ETA:  

Loaded up another with 15.6 grains of Lil'Gun in a round this morning, dug some milk jugs and a big apple juice jug out of the trash, filled them with water, and shot the jugs.  I only had 3 jugs and the apple jug I laid length-wise since it was about a foot high, but I didn't figure that would be enough so I put a box of paper behind it.  The round went all the way through the 3 jugs and then penetrated just a few pieces of paper and was laying in the box.  All in all, it probably went through 24-26" or so of water.

As you can see, the jacket came apart and the lead core went into a million pieces, but it definitely expanded compared to the rounds above which were shot into wood.  This is all I could find in the jugs and laying around in the grass.


The Nosler 150 BT's are the bullets I'll be loading to start with. Thanks for the info, and the starting point. I'll report back with what I come up with also so we can get something together. I won't be able to shoot for a few more days as I'm waiting on headspace gages to get here to finish this 10.5" pistol.

These are actually my first go at brass. But this time next week I'll be doing a lot of testing.


I've got these 150gn Nosler BT's to 1850fps. average out of this 10.5" barrel with mediocre accuracy. Using 16.1gn of Lilgun, and FED match primers, and 2.22" COAL.. No signs of over pressure as of yet, so I'll go up in .3gn increments with two more 5 shot work ups to see if I can get it to 1900fps average.

According to Nosler, 1900fps. is the minimum velocity for good expansion on this bullet. I don't have any data for this bullet so I started with Hornady's minimum load data for their 150gn bullets. So far, so good! I'll post back with my findings.

Once I get this bullet at the minimum velocity, and with good accuracy. I'll test it for expansion.

Link Posted: 6/15/2013 12:02:37 PM EDT
[#8]
Can someone post some subsonic loads using the Hornady 208 grain A-Max. Powder will be A-1680.
Link Posted: 6/15/2013 3:01:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dryflash3] [#9]
From Hornady Manual:





Pic removed. Don't get this thread locked. See warning in my post above.



If you want to be helpful, IM the pic to the poster that requested it. dryflash3
Link Posted: 6/15/2013 4:25:02 PM EDT
[#10]
Thank you very much....but please see the warring a few posts higher...don't want anyone to get into trouble
Link Posted: 6/15/2013 5:11:35 PM EDT
[#11]
Jimmy did you see my PM?
Link Posted: 6/16/2013 12:21:49 AM EDT
[#12]
Link Posted: 6/16/2013 1:54:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: chevcamo] [#13]
To keep from getting this locked and/or any possible legal stuff, anyone looking for the Hornady and Nosler info can IM me with your email address and I can get it sent to you. I put the info into a spreadsheet format that I can send instead of taking a photo of each page and uploading it to photobucket.

It is all the info ranging from all the 110 grain bullets to the 225 grain bullets with indicated C.O.L. and max loads highlighted. Hell I even was nice enough to put the powders in alphabetical order as the mixed up listing was getting annoying.. That's actually the main reason I done it in the first place.
Link Posted: 6/16/2013 3:05:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MRBLACK947] [#14]
I am having a helluva time getting consistant trustworthy neck tension.  Using once fired 223 brass mostly PMC and lee dies.  Also have the lee crimp die.  A google search tells me I'm not the only one having experienced this.  I would say one in 8 rounds I can spin the bullet in the neck or even shove it all they way in the case.   If I have one that loose and then put it through the crimp die, it literally gets worse.  

On the Lee bullet seating die I am not using the built in crimp feature as the instructions say not to if you are using the crimp die afterwards.    

Rough cutting, rough length sizing, deburring, lubing and forming the neck, length sizing, and then off to another polishing.  

I have seen this with Nosler 125g BTs.  Sierra 125g 2121s and also with some old 150g 308 FMJ steel cores I have a can of

Mods, if you want this to be it's own thread please delete this and I'll make a new one.  

Any advice would be much appreciated as I don't fully trust these in a semi auto gun quite yet.

Some of the BTs that turned out real nice.  17.4g of lilgun.

Link Posted: 6/16/2013 4:19:21 PM EDT
[#15]



Originally Posted By MRBLACK947:


I am having a helluva time getting consistant trustworthy neck tension.  Using once fired 223 brass mostly PMC and lee dies.  Also have the lee crimp die.  A google search tells me I'm not the only one having experienced this.  I would say one in 8 rounds I can spin the bullet in the neck or even shove it all they way in the case.   If I have one that loose and then put it through the crimp die, it literally gets worse.  



On the Lee bullet seating die I am not using the built in crimp feature as the instructions say not to if you are using the crimp die afterwards.    



Rough cutting, rough length sizing, deburring, lubing and forming the neck, length sizing, and then off to another polishing.  



I have seen this with Nosler 125g BTs.  Sierra 125g 2121s and also with some old 150g 308 FMJ steel cores I have a can of



Mods, if you want this to be it's own thread please delete this and I'll make a new one.  



Any advice would be much appreciated as I don't fully trust these in a semi auto gun quite yet.



Some of the BTs that turned out real nice.  17.4g of lilgun.



http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff208/Mr__Black/Firearms/photo5_zpsf7a2c702.jpg
Your process doesn't mention annealing.    PM sent.





 
Link Posted: 6/16/2013 10:10:27 PM EDT
[#16]
No I have not been annealing.  

I just want to find out if I am doing something wrong.  

Thanks coug, PM sent back.
Link Posted: 6/16/2013 10:24:02 PM EDT
[#17]
Originally Posted By MRBLACK947:
No I have not been annealing.  

I just want to find out if I am doing something wrong.  

Thanks coug, PM sent back.


I've noticed that after annealing my groups got much smaller with this particular caliber. I think dryflash mentioned that earlier in the thread somewhere. Annealing will help a lot with consistent neck tension. It's almost a must for .300blk. IMO..

Link Posted: 6/16/2013 10:25:21 PM EDT
[#18]
Has anyone reloaded any of the 110 grain Round Nose for plinking with. I am using a bolt gun and not the AR platform.
Link Posted: 6/16/2013 10:33:19 PM EDT
[#19]
Originally Posted By mcbjus:
Has anyone reloaded any of the 110 grain Round Nose for plinking with. I am using a bolt gun and not the AR platform.


PG.6 about a 1/3 of the way down.
Link Posted: 6/16/2013 10:34:18 PM EDT
[#20]
Originally Posted By TOTHEMAX:
Originally Posted By CBR900:
Originally Posted By TOTHEMAX:
Since this thread has gotten fairly popular, is there anything we need to do different? Is there anything that has been posted that needs to be moved to the front page? Any other suggestions??


Yes- the LEE warning back about 4 pages, or 5 pages - or maybe 8 pages>???  

-about the danger from really THICK necks when forming BLK from .mil or LC brass.  Basically (working from memory) Lee points out that you are essentially necking DOWN an already thick area of the 5.56mm case - and the added thickness can result in high pressures.

Case in point above:  I loaded 150 grn bullets WELL BELOW the max in the book pictured above: 16.2 grains of LilGun over a M-80 (actually a 147 not a 150, but valid for comaprison).  

The LC cases showed deep "ejector swipes" and the primers were more flat than factory BLK brass, even though the charge was well below max.  Only factor that makes sense in the Lee explanation a few pages back (if I could find it again).



Copy. I will look into that.

I was also hoping to develop a master reloading data sheet. People could refer to it and copy or develop loads from there.


I tried to round it up but couldn't find it.
Link Posted: 6/16/2013 10:37:27 PM EDT
[#21]
Originally Posted By TOTHEMAX:
Originally Posted By CBR900:
Originally Posted By TOTHEMAX:
Since this thread has gotten fairly popular, is there anything we need to do different? Is there anything that has been posted that needs to be moved to the front page? Any other suggestions??


Yes- the LEE warning back about 4 pages, or 5 pages - or maybe 8 pages>???  

-about the danger from really THICK necks when forming BLK from .mil or LC brass.  Basically (working from memory) Lee points out that you are essentially necking DOWN an already thick area of the 5.56mm case - and the added thickness can result in high pressures.

Case in point above:  I loaded 150 grn bullets WELL BELOW the max in the book pictured above: 16.2 grains of LilGun over a M-80 (actually a 147 not a 150, but valid for comaprison).  

The LC cases showed deep "ejector swipes" and the primers were more flat than factory BLK brass, even though the charge was well below max.  Only factor that makes sense in the Lee explanation a few pages back (if I could find it again).



Copy. I will look into that.

I was also hoping to develop a master reloading data sheet. People could refer to it and copy or develop loads from there.


I would love a master reloading sheet. Right now I have to search several forums to find load data for various bullets, so a sticky at the top of the page with load data would be most helpful.
Link Posted: 6/16/2013 10:40:53 PM EDT
[#22]
Originally Posted By xtreme762:
Originally Posted By MRBLACK947:
No I have not been annealing.  

I just want to find out if I am doing something wrong.  

Thanks coug, PM sent back.


I've noticed that after annealing my groups got much smaller with this particular caliber. I think dryflash mentioned that earlier in the thread somewhere. Annealing will help a lot with consistent neck tension. It's almost a must for .300blk. IMO..



I haven't even gotten to groups yet.  I am nervous just chambering a round and keeping the bullet safely in the same spot of the case as when it was loaded.  Maybe I am making too much of this, I don't know?    I hope to know soon enough as you mention how much of an affect annealing has on neck tension. I've got nothing else but to try that at this point.
Link Posted: 6/16/2013 11:05:48 PM EDT
[#23]
Link Posted: 6/16/2013 11:16:26 PM EDT
[#24]
Originally Posted By OIF_Vet08-09:
Originally Posted By TOTHEMAX:
Originally Posted By CBR900:
Originally Posted By TOTHEMAX:
Since this thread has gotten fairly popular, is there anything we need to do different? Is there anything that has been posted that needs to be moved to the front page? Any other suggestions??


Yes- the LEE warning back about 4 pages, or 5 pages - or maybe 8 pages>???  

-about the danger from really THICK necks when forming BLK from .mil or LC brass.  Basically (working from memory) Lee points out that you are essentially necking DOWN an already thick area of the 5.56mm case - and the added thickness can result in high pressures.

Case in point above:  I loaded 150 grn bullets WELL BELOW the max in the book pictured above: 16.2 grains of LilGun over a M-80 (actually a 147 not a 150, but valid for comaprison).  

The LC cases showed deep "ejector swipes" and the primers were more flat than factory BLK brass, even though the charge was well below max.  Only factor that makes sense in the Lee explanation a few pages back (if I could find it again).



Copy. I will look into that.

I was also hoping to develop a master reloading data sheet. People could refer to it and copy or develop loads from there.


I would love a master reloading sheet. Right now I have to search several forums to find load data for various bullets, so a sticky at the top of the page with load data would be most helpful.


If someone was good at MS Office they could make a spreadsheet fairly easily. When someone adds to this thread, they could update that spreadsheet.
Link Posted: 6/16/2013 11:29:35 PM EDT
[#25]
Link Posted: 6/16/2013 11:51:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: chevcamo] [#26]
Originally Posted By TOTHEMAX:
If someone was good at MS Office they could make a spreadsheet fairly easily. When someone adds to this thread, they could update that spreadsheet.


I'm fairly decent at making spreadsheets. I'll see about starting one with all the personal loads posted on here.

===================================================================

Has anyone tried some of the Cutting Edge Raptor bullets, Barnes Triple Shock Flat Nose bullets, or 30 caliber pistol bullets? I was just browsing Midway and looked at pistol bullets and 30 cal goes down to 85 grains. I know they probably wouldn't be all that accurate with being round noses and all that but just wondering.

Also, anyone use the Wilson Combat chamber type seating die?
Link Posted: 6/17/2013 12:00:31 AM EDT
[#27]
Link Posted: 6/17/2013 12:34:13 AM EDT
[#28]
Originally Posted By medicmandan:
Set it up as a google doc so several people can add/update the data?


I don't know if that'd be a good idea because then anyone could do what they want with the numbers if they get pissed off or banned or whatever and endanger a lot of people.

We'll see.
Link Posted: 6/17/2013 12:42:21 AM EDT
[#29]
Originally Posted By dryflash3:

Originally Posted By MRBLACK947:
No I have not been annealing.  

I just want to find out if I am doing something wrong.  

Thanks coug, PM sent back.

First thing I would do is measure your expanding ball in your sizing die.  

Should be .002 to .003 below bullet diameter for proper neck tension.

So it should be .305 to .306.

You should be annealing before forming the case shoulder when making cases.
 


Just took it apart and measured.  

Double checked at exactly .308 if I am looking at the right part of the die.

Link Posted: 6/17/2013 9:14:51 AM EDT
[#30]
Originally Posted By medicmandan:
Originally Posted By chevcamo:
Originally Posted By TOTHEMAX:
If someone was good at MS Office they could make a spreadsheet fairly easily. When someone adds to this thread, they could update that spreadsheet.


I'm fairly decent at making spreadsheets. I'll see about starting one with all the personal loads posted on here.

===================================================================

Has anyone tried some of the Cutting Edge Raptor bullets, Barnes Triple Shock Flat Nose bullets, or 30 caliber pistol bullets? I was just browsing Midway and looked at pistol bullets and 30 cal goes down to 85 grains. I know they probably wouldn't be all that accurate with being round noses and all that but just wondering.

Also, anyone use the Wilson Combat chamber type seating die?


Set it up as a google doc so several people can add/update the data?



Thats a good idea. Is there a way to lock certain parts of the doc so only certain people can change that info?
Link Posted: 6/17/2013 9:28:45 AM EDT
[#31]
Originally Posted By TOTHEMAX:
Thats a good idea. Is there a way to lock certain parts of the doc so only certain people can change that info?


You can set it up to where only you can edit the info or make it to where anyone can. I'm not sure if you can limit it to certain people.

You can also set it to where only you, only those with a direct link, or the public can see the document.

I will look more into it tonight. I started pulling posted data last night.
Link Posted: 6/17/2013 9:30:06 AM EDT
[#32]
Originally Posted By chevcamo:
Originally Posted By TOTHEMAX:
Thats a good idea. Is there a way to lock certain parts of the doc so only certain people can change that info?


You can set it up to where only you can edit the info or make it to where anyone can. I'm not sure if you can limit it to certain people.

You can also set it to where only you, only those with a direct link, or the public can see the document.

I will look more into it tonight. I started pulling posted data last night.


Awesome. Thanks
Link Posted: 6/17/2013 1:56:25 PM EDT
[#33]
Link Posted: 6/17/2013 10:55:07 PM EDT
[#34]
Originally Posted By dryflash3:

Originally Posted By MRBLACK947:
Originally Posted By dryflash3:

Originally Posted By MRBLACK947:
No I have not been annealing.

I just want to find out if I am doing something wrong.

Thanks coug, PM sent back.

First thing I would do is measure your expanding ball in your sizing die.

Should be .002 to .003 below bullet diameter for proper neck tension.

So it should be .305 to .306.

You should be annealing before forming the case shoulder when making cases.


Just took it apart and measured.

Double checked at exactly .308 if I am looking at the right part of the die.

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff208/Mr__Black/Firearms/photo9a_zps154f881f.jpg

That's your problem, your expander button is too large in diameter.

Chuck it in a drill and use some 400 grit sandpaper to make it smaller.

Don't use a larger grit, any auto store should have 400 grit wet/dry sandpaper.

Fold sandpaper over a few times and place sizing button inside.

Run drill for 30 seconds and remeasure sizing button diameter. Repeat as needed. Go for .306.

Remember, you can take material off, you can't put it back on.

If you do it correctly, you will probably measure 6-8 times, so don't be in a hurry.


Thanks dryflash.  

I had everything on hand in the shop to fix it right up.  Looks a lot better than the factory machine job as well.  

I tested two rounds this afternoon and even though not annealed it is a very noticeable difference. Even without crimp I can't move the bullet.    

now that being said, not to put anybody on the spot, am I safe to shoot the ones I already loaded in semi auto if I can't move the bullet by hand in the case with all my might?  

Link Posted: 6/17/2013 11:05:45 PM EDT
[#35]
Link Posted: 6/17/2013 11:51:38 PM EDT
[#36]
Originally Posted By TOTHEMAX:
Originally Posted By chevcamo:
Originally Posted By TOTHEMAX:
Thats a good idea. Is there a way to lock certain parts of the doc so only certain people can change that info?


You can set it up to where only you can edit the info or make it to where anyone can. I'm not sure if you can limit it to certain people.

You can also set it to where only you, only those with a direct link, or the public can see the document.

I will look more into it tonight. I started pulling posted data last night.


Awesome. Thanks


Ok, so I can do the above things and I can add certain people to be able to edit, comment, or view the document.

Who did you guys have in mind to be able to edit the document. I would rather only certain people be able to edit it instead of just anyone.
I can also set it to where the extra editors can add or remove people or set it to where only I can add people to edit the list.
Link Posted: 6/18/2013 1:11:10 AM EDT
[#37]
Link Posted: 6/18/2013 6:00:59 AM EDT
[#38]
Yup your expander ball is over sized. You can always get Lee to send you a new one or just mill/sand it down. I don't anneal and I have never had neck tension issues.
Link Posted: 6/18/2013 9:49:08 AM EDT
[#39]
Originally Posted By Recoil737:
Yup your expander ball is over sized. You can always get Lee to send you a new one or just mill/sand it down. I don't anneal and I have never had neck tension issues.


Thanks Recoil.

I took dryflashes advice and resized it already and couldn't be happier with the results.  

For the sake of learning and testing things we are going to try some annealed brass and see if there is a noticeable difference in neck tension.
Link Posted: 6/18/2013 10:17:29 PM EDT
[#40]
Originally Posted By medicmandan:
Originally Posted By chevcamo:
Originally Posted By TOTHEMAX:
Originally Posted By chevcamo:
Originally Posted By TOTHEMAX:
Thats a good idea. Is there a way to lock certain parts of the doc so only certain people can change that info?


You can set it up to where only you can edit the info or make it to where anyone can. I'm not sure if you can limit it to certain people.

You can also set it to where only you, only those with a direct link, or the public can see the document.

I will look more into it tonight. I started pulling posted data last night.


Awesome. Thanks


Ok, so I can do the above things and I can add certain people to be able to edit, comment, or view the document.

Who did you guys have in mind to be able to edit the document. I would rather only certain people be able to edit it instead of just anyone.
I can also set it to where the extra editors can add or remove people or set it to where only I can add people to edit the list.


Not me.




I would say both of the reloading forum mods, with their approval of course.
Link Posted: 6/18/2013 11:38:12 PM EDT
[#41]
Link Posted: 6/19/2013 1:33:38 AM EDT
[#42]
Originally Posted By medicmandan:
Originally Posted By TOTHEMAX:
I would say both of the reloading forum mods, with their approval of course.


That works.  Don't forget to add a really huge disclaimer.


Yea, I already planned to add dryflash to be able to have full control and was going to see if aero wanted in on it as well.
But I was also going to see if there was someone else interested in the matter enough to post the information as well.


Oh yea, I know. There definitely will be a nice sized disclaimer lol.
Link Posted: 6/19/2013 11:23:42 AM EDT
[#43]
Originally Posted By chevcamo:
Originally Posted By medicmandan:
Originally Posted By TOTHEMAX:
I would say both of the reloading forum mods, with their approval of course.


That works.  Don't forget to add a really huge disclaimer.


Yea, I already planned to add dryflash to be able to have full control and was going to see if aero wanted in on it as well.
But I was also going to see if there was someone else interested in the matter enough to post the information as well.


Oh yea, I know. There definitely will be a nice sized disclaimer lol.


I don't mind helping out.
Link Posted: 6/19/2013 11:25:30 AM EDT
[#44]
Originally Posted By TOTHEMAX:
Originally Posted By chevcamo:
Originally Posted By medicmandan:
Originally Posted By TOTHEMAX:
I would say both of the reloading forum mods, with their approval of course.


That works.  Don't forget to add a really huge disclaimer.


Yea, I already planned to add dryflash to be able to have full control and was going to see if aero wanted in on it as well.
But I was also going to see if there was someone else interested in the matter enough to post the information as well.


Oh yea, I know. There definitely will be a nice sized disclaimer lol.


I don't mind helping out.


So is anyone going to be able to go in and edit the info? Or will it just be a select few?
Link Posted: 6/19/2013 12:12:56 PM EDT
[#45]
Originally Posted By TOTHEMAX:
Originally Posted By TOTHEMAX:
Originally Posted By chevcamo:
Originally Posted By medicmandan:
Originally Posted By TOTHEMAX:
I would say both of the reloading forum mods, with their approval of course.


That works.  Don't forget to add a really huge disclaimer.


Yea, I already planned to add dryflash to be able to have full control and was going to see if aero wanted in on it as well.
But I was also going to see if there was someone else interested in the matter enough to post the information as well.


Oh yea, I know. There definitely will be a nice sized disclaimer lol.


I don't mind helping out.


So is anyone going to be able to go in and edit the info? Or will it just be a select few?


Only a select few. That way the data can be somewhat controlled. After I get setup in my new place and get the document started, I'll set it up so anyone with a direct link can view or comment on it. But only the ones I add to the editor list can do actual adding people or editing the data. I will need email addresses to add you to the list. When added it will send an email with the link to it.

The second reason I want only a few to be able to edit it is so someone doesn't accidentally delete the info.
Link Posted: 6/19/2013 2:23:44 PM EDT
[#46]
Link Posted: 6/19/2013 6:14:04 PM EDT
[#47]
Originally Posted By dryflash3:
I mod two other forums beside the Reloading Forum and just do not have the time to be involved in this project. Wish you luck on this.

IM AeroE and see what he says.


Roger that.
Link Posted: 6/19/2013 8:23:56 PM EDT
[#48]
Maybe just a new thread...

One where the MOD is editing the first post with current info?  Replies with new info would be added back to the new post?

I for one would just like to be able to see at a glance which powders and bullets I should be using when standing in a store with limited supplies.
Link Posted: 6/19/2013 8:36:32 PM EDT
[#49]
Just shot my first 25 reloads.  I actually assembled the gun last night too.  I was thinking I would need factory ammo for a function test, but I didn't!


16.0gr of Lil' Gun to 18.0gr in increments of .5gr under a 125gr Nosler Polytip (whatever they call them).  Anyway every since round functioned perfectly. The rifle fed and ran perfectly, except the 16.0gr didn't lock the bolt back.

10.5" Barrel with a Carbine buffer.

Here is my brother shooting some of the remaining rounds ( I tested them all before handing it over)
Link Posted: 6/19/2013 11:37:07 PM EDT
[#50]
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