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I definitely agree that the charging handle is too small and short for realistic manipulation. I usually run the stock on at AR carbine at position 2, and on the ARX-100 I have it all the way out. The length and buttplate shape of the stock makes it seem that it was designed for troops in body armor most likely. The safety was a bit stiff, and the button on the underside of the trigger guard is simply unusable- it does not work as it is supposed to as a magazine release, you can't push it in far enough to get the mag catch to fully release. In an ideal world they would have purned down the area right in front of the magwell a bit, and have you be able to completely remove the side rail segments instead of having some bumps left on the sides of the gun. Overall, it could use a little refinement, but it definitely has some cool innovation going on with the barrel quick release and truly adjustable and ergonomic controls and ejection. From a functional standpoint I think we are looking at the future features of assault rifles right here and now. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms:
Overall, it could use a little refinement, but it definitely has some cool innovation going on with the barrel quick release and truly adjustable and ergonomic controls and ejection. From a functional standpoint I think we are looking at the future features of assault rifles right here and now. View Quote I really hate those words "assault rifles"; you sound like Fienstien. |
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Originally Posted By WS4LIF:
I really hate those words "assault rifles"; you sound like Fienstien. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By WS4LIF:
Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms:
Overall, it could use a little refinement, but it definitely has some cool innovation going on with the barrel quick release and truly adjustable and ergonomic controls and ejection. From a functional standpoint I think we are looking at the future features of assault rifles right here and now. I really hate those words "assault rifles"; you sound like Fienstien. Not to be a pedantic dick, but the phrase "assault rifle" predates Feinstein and her twatrous ilk. "Assault weapon" is the connotation-laden epithet you're probably thinking of. |
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Originally Posted By ken_mays:
Not to be a pedantic dick, but the phrase "assault rifle" predates Feinstein and her twatrous ilk. "Assault weapon" is the connotation-laden epithet you're probably thinking of. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ken_mays:
Originally Posted By WS4LIF:
Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms:
Overall, it could use a little refinement, but it definitely has some cool innovation going on with the barrel quick release and truly adjustable and ergonomic controls and ejection. From a functional standpoint I think we are looking at the future features of assault rifles right here and now. I really hate those words "assault rifles"; you sound like Fienstien. Not to be a pedantic dick, but the phrase "assault rifle" predates Feinstein and her twatrous ilk. "Assault weapon" is the connotation-laden epithet you're probably thinking of. Indeed. "Assault Rifle" is the correct term for a select fire rifle of intermediate caliber. "Assault Weapon" is a term made up to make things sound scary to the ignorant masses. |
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Originally Posted By WS4LIF:
I really hate those words "assault rifles"; you sound like Fienstien. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By WS4LIF:
Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms:
Overall, it could use a little refinement, but it definitely has some cool innovation going on with the barrel quick release and truly adjustable and ergonomic controls and ejection. From a functional standpoint I think we are looking at the future features of assault rifles right here and now. I really hate those words "assault rifles"; you sound like Fienstien. You can hate it all you want, the terminology is correct. Feel free to add something factual or useful to the conversation, my post was to review the rifle quickly and give some feedback. As my statement said these are the features you are going to see on assault rifles in the future, whether they be semi only civilian versions or military select fire assault rifles. |
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Originally Posted By runner6m:
So when are you going to make us some products for it? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By runner6m:
Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms:
As my statement said these are the features you are going to see on assault rifles in the future, whether they be semi only civilian versions or military select fire assault rifles. So when are you going to make us some products for it? What do you want to see? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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First priority is a better charging handle. It needs to be longer and have a bigger "pad" at the end. You are limited to the size and length that will fit through the ejection port but on inspection I think it could be several mm longer and the pad could be twice as big without much effort. Then work on an aftermarket gas adjustment plug with suppressor settings.
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Submitted Form 1 for mine. Any ideas who would be good to do the chop? I anticipate that it might require a fair bit of tinkering due to the unique gas system and lack of a suppressor setting on the gas plug.
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Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms: What do you want to see? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms: Originally Posted By runner6m: Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms: As my statement said these are the features you are going to see on assault rifles in the future, whether they be semi only civilian versions or military select fire assault rifles. So when are you going to make us some products for it? What do you want to see? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Charging handle, safety, cheek rest, some sort of extended buttpad. |
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Originally Posted By runner6m:
Charging handle, safety, cheek rest, some sort of extended buttpad. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By runner6m:
Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms:
Originally Posted By runner6m:
Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms:
As my statement said these are the features you are going to see on assault rifles in the future, whether they be semi only civilian versions or military select fire assault rifles. So when are you going to make us some products for it? What do you want to see? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Charging handle, safety, cheek rest, some sort of extended buttpad. I agree, the stock handle is nifty how it switches sides, but the ergonomics SUCK! We will start looking into it. |
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Also an aftermarket way to make the gas block with more
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Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms: What do you want to see? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms: Originally Posted By runner6m: Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms: As my statement said these are the features you are going to see on assault rifles in the future, whether they be semi only civilian versions or military select fire assault rifles. So when are you going to make us some products for it? What do you want to see? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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So, basically, Beretta took the ACR and made it even worse? Impressive feat.
Originally Posted By Larry Vickers:
Is it the rifle you should buy ? If your a fan of factory made semi auto versions of select fire assault rifles absolutely- this is a complete no brainer and history has shown weapons like this only go up in value so its a safe investment View Quote So, is that why ACRs, XCRs, Sig 556s, SCARs, Tavors, and all other recently released "weapons like this" are now selling for $500-$1000 LESS than during their first year on the market? I bet all those people who snapped up the first wave of $2800 ACRs and $2300 Tavors are living the high life right now thanks to their smart investments. Larry Vickers, you are so dumb. |
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Originally Posted By cochraneap:
So, basically, Beretta took the ACR and made it even worse? Impressive feat. So, is that why ACRs, XCRs, Sig 556s, SCARs, Tavors, and all other recently released "weapons like this" are now selling for $500-$1000 LESS than during their first year on the market? I bet all those people who snapped up the first wave of $2800 ACRs and $2300 Tavors are living the high life right now thanks to their smart investments. Larry Vickers, you are so dumb. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By cochraneap:
So, basically, Beretta took the ACR and made it even worse? Impressive feat. Originally Posted By Larry Vickers:
Is it the rifle you should buy ? If your a fan of factory made semi auto versions of select fire assault rifles absolutely- this is a complete no brainer and history has shown weapons like this only go up in value so its a safe investment So, is that why ACRs, XCRs, Sig 556s, SCARs, Tavors, and all other recently released "weapons like this" are now selling for $500-$1000 LESS than during their first year on the market? I bet all those people who snapped up the first wave of $2800 ACRs and $2300 Tavors are living the high life right now thanks to their smart investments. Larry Vickers, you are so dumb. Apparently you've only been into guns for a few years. |
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Originally Posted By cochraneap:
So, basically, Beretta took the ACR and made it even worse? Impressive feat. View Quote Not sure how one reads this thread and comes to that conclusion. Yes, there are some annoyances. But every rifle has some annoyances. Overall this is a pretty good rifle and coming in at very affordable street prices. |
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I'm more worried about my potential loss on my $89 MAK-90
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Originally Posted By vellnueve:
I'm more worried about my potential loss on my $89 MAK-90 View Quote Decades old milsurps are not "weapons like this." Please show me one recently produced higher end designer rifle "like this" that has increased in value over the past 20 years. Taking inflation into account, they all should be 50% over MSRP by now, but instead, prices have gone down. I love how people forget all about inflation when bragging about their awesome investment. "I bought an AK47 in 1989 for $200 and now it's worth $400! I'm a financial genius!" Well, that's awesome, but $200 in 1989 would buy 200 gallons of gas and now $400 will only buy 110 gallons. It might have increased in price, but it most certainly did not increase in value. |
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Originally Posted By cochraneap:
Decades old milsurps are not "weapons like this." Please show me one recently produced higher end designer rifle "like this" that has increased in value over the past 20 years. Taking inflation into account, they all should be 50% over MSRP by now, but instead, prices have gone down. I love how people forget all about inflation when bragging about their awesome investment. "I bought an AK47 in 1989 for $200 and now it's worth $400! I'm a financial genius!" Well, that's awesome, but $200 in 1989 would buy 200 gallons of gas and now $400 will only buy 110 gallons. It might have increased in price, but it most certainly did not increase in value. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By cochraneap:
Originally Posted By vellnueve:
I'm more worried about my potential loss on my $89 MAK-90 Decades old milsurps are not "weapons like this." Please show me one recently produced higher end designer rifle "like this" that has increased in value over the past 20 years. Taking inflation into account, they all should be 50% over MSRP by now, but instead, prices have gone down. I love how people forget all about inflation when bragging about their awesome investment. "I bought an AK47 in 1989 for $200 and now it's worth $400! I'm a financial genius!" Well, that's awesome, but $200 in 1989 would buy 200 gallons of gas and now $400 will only buy 110 gallons. It might have increased in price, but it most certainly did not increase in value. How about the $450 HK94? Trying to argue that a current production rifle hasn't increased in value is idiotic. Because they are current production. BTW, that new in box MAK90 is more like an 800% increase than 200% |
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Looks sig-ish
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Originally Posted By vellnueve:
How about the $450 HK94? Trying to argue that a current production rifle hasn't increased in value is idiotic. Because they are current production. BTW, that new in box MAK90 is more like an 800% increase than 200% View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By vellnueve:
Originally Posted By cochraneap:
Originally Posted By vellnueve:
I'm more worried about my potential loss on my $89 MAK-90 Decades old milsurps are not "weapons like this." Please show me one recently produced higher end designer rifle "like this" that has increased in value over the past 20 years. Taking inflation into account, they all should be 50% over MSRP by now, but instead, prices have gone down. I love how people forget all about inflation when bragging about their awesome investment. "I bought an AK47 in 1989 for $200 and now it's worth $400! I'm a financial genius!" Well, that's awesome, but $200 in 1989 would buy 200 gallons of gas and now $400 will only buy 110 gallons. It might have increased in price, but it most certainly did not increase in value. How about the $450 HK94? Trying to argue that a current production rifle hasn't increased in value is idiotic. Because they are current production. BTW, that new in box MAK90 is more like an 800% increase than 200% Idiotic is the definition of Larry Vickers' statement: "history has shown weapons like this only go up in value so its a safe investment" There are no "weapons like this" in history that have increased in value, unless you're talking about pre-1986 machine guns. Even if this Beretta rifle costs TWICE as much 20 years from now, it still won't worth more, because everything else in the world will also cost more. Price/cost is not the same thing as value/worth. But obviously your and Larry Vickers' minds cannot grasp that concept. |
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haven't gotten to hold one yet.
but,reminds me of the new F-35 jet clown |
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Well, I think I will try one based on the MAC review and others, even if it isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread it has some interesting features and represents a different design, and is in use by at least one foreign military making it interesting from a collector's standpoint. So as long as it isn't a complete non-functional of garbage and the price is right, I think I'll pick one up when my store gets one.
Anyway, like someone said above, anything special to keep in mind before cutting the barrel for an SBR? The military one has an 11 inch barrel, I don't know if that version's gas system is in any way different from the civie one. Also, sight over bore axis looks kind of high, what's a low-riding optic to recommend? |
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Aimpoint T1 ought to sit on there real nice, either without a riser or just a very low one.
In terms if the barrel chop, my primary concern is ensuring there is enough gas to cycle it, and also that it doesn't beat itself to death running a suppressor. I think the right way to do it is to make a custom adjustment plug for the gas block with different sized gas ports. This would allo one to chop the stock barrel and still tune the gas system for suppressed and unsuppressed fire. Might have to also earge the gas port in the barrel itself. |
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Originally Posted By cochraneap:
Idiotic is the definition of Larry Vickers' statement: "history has shown weapons like this only go up in value so its a safe investment" There are no "weapons like this" in history that have increased in value, unless you're talking about pre-1986 machine guns. Even if this Beretta rifle costs TWICE as much 20 years from now, it still won't worth more, because everything else in the world will also cost more. Price/cost is not the same thing as value/worth. But obviously your and Larry Vickers' minds cannot grasp that concept. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By cochraneap:
Originally Posted By vellnueve:
Originally Posted By cochraneap:
Originally Posted By vellnueve:
I'm more worried about my potential loss on my $89 MAK-90 Decades old milsurps are not "weapons like this." Please show me one recently produced higher end designer rifle "like this" that has increased in value over the past 20 years. Taking inflation into account, they all should be 50% over MSRP by now, but instead, prices have gone down. I love how people forget all about inflation when bragging about their awesome investment. "I bought an AK47 in 1989 for $200 and now it's worth $400! I'm a financial genius!" Well, that's awesome, but $200 in 1989 would buy 200 gallons of gas and now $400 will only buy 110 gallons. It might have increased in price, but it most certainly did not increase in value. How about the $450 HK94? Trying to argue that a current production rifle hasn't increased in value is idiotic. Because they are current production. BTW, that new in box MAK90 is more like an 800% increase than 200% Idiotic is the definition of Larry Vickers' statement: "history has shown weapons like this only go up in value so its a safe investment" There are no "weapons like this" in history that have increased in value, unless you're talking about pre-1986 machine guns. Even if this Beretta rifle costs TWICE as much 20 years from now, it still won't worth more, because everything else in the world will also cost more. Price/cost is not the same thing as value/worth. But obviously your and Larry Vickers' minds cannot grasp that concept. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=428243162 From dollartimes.com $576.00 in 1983 had the same buying power as $1,375.37 in 2014.
Annual inflation over this period was 2.85%. More recent example? The good old surplus M44s I bought in 2008 for $69? Can't find one now for less than double that price. Military surplus and military-type rifles very much tend to increase in price AND value. I'm not saying to make them your retirement fund. I'm done... this thread is going off topic. |
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Unless you pay well over MSRP for a SCAR or something you are generally going to be fine in the long run. Politics comes into play on some of the historical examples, like the HK series, and import status/numbers, like the FAMAS and L85 (check those against inflation). Of course there are negative examples, like the MSAR (yeah, I got burned on that one). I don't buy for investment though I buy what I like.
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Originally Posted By gunnut284:
Unless you pay well over MSRP for a SCAR or something you are generally going to be fine in the long run. Politics comes into play on some of the historical examples, like the HK series, and import status/numbers, like the FAMAS and L85 (check those against inflation). Of course there are negative examples, like the MSAR (yeah, I got burned on that one). I don't buy for investment though I buy what I like. View Quote The MSAR did what it did because it's a third party clone. Out-of-production rifles from the big name manufacturers that supply the armed forces of their respective nations are the ones that at a minimum retain or increase in value. And the politics absolutely do come into play; that's the name of the game with these types of firearms, they're always endangered by political idiots. OK, now back to the ARX... |
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Here is an article about the ARX-160A3 with some good pics. > Link. Needs translation though.
Notice that it does not include a roll pin through the hole under the rear end of the rail and I believe that the A3 is made in Italy. |
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Man the 11" rifle pictured in that article is dead sexy. That's the look I'm going for with mine. Now to wait on ATF for the next 6 months.
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Originally Posted By 556Cliff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzZUpQqA3kI Braver man than I would be. View Quote I would love to see someone come out with an aftermarket bolt release button for it, the one on the ACR is meatier and has more of a shelf to push on. Running the ARX bolt release vs the ACR's is like night and day, the ACR one is so much better. It would make breaking the stock ones no big deal if you had a nice larger one to install. |
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Here is another article in need of translation. > http://www.all4shooters.com/it/news/pro-zone/2014/Beretta-ARX-160-A3-fucile-assalto-Eurosatory-2014/
No roll pin under the rear of the rail on this one either... Made in Italy? |
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I just won one on GB for $1399. Couldn't believe it.
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Got my roll pin from Beretta today and installed it. It does work, but looks a bit funky. Took longer to clean the dried cosmoline on the spare mag that came with it than to install the pin.
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Originally Posted By jh1990:
Are you going to chop yours or try to buy a factory Beretta barrel? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By jh1990:
Originally Posted By Conqueror:
Man the 11" rifle pictured in that article is dead sexy. That's the look I'm going for with mine. Now to wait on ATF for the next 6 months. Are you going to chop yours or try to buy a factory Beretta barrel? If they release a short factory barrel I will buy it so I don't have to monkey around trying to find the right gas settings. But they said they would have barrels for .300blk at the launch and those are nowhere to be found, plus historically very few of the "modular rifle" manufacturers have followed through on their plans to have lots of barrels available. So I'm not going to hold my breath for a factory 11" or 9" barrel. |
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Originally Posted By 556Cliff:
Here is an article about the ARX-160A3 with some good pics. > Link. Needs translation though. Notice that it does not include a roll pin through the hole under the rear end of the rail and I believe that the A3 is made in Italy. View Quote Another point about that article: they say that the N setting is for Normal and the S setting is for suppressed. Beretta have said that the N setting is for nonstandard and the S is for standard. But it makes sense that if you chop the barrel down, you could use the large gas port (N) to get the weapon to cycle, and the smaller gas port (S) for suppressor use due to the increased back pressure. Makes me wonder if Beretta is using he same gas system on both barrel lengths and just changing which setting they call the default...? |
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Originally Posted By Rich_V: I check it daily and top it off as needed. |
I'm about to pull the trigger and really would like to pick one up at $1400 range.
Does anyone know who has the best price on ARX100? Should I wait for FDE model or get the BLK model now? Originally Posted By Bullet_:
Congrats! We have rules: if you don't post pics of the new rifle when it comes in, you get banned. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Bullet_:
Originally Posted By GuilterThanYou:
I just won one on GB for $1399. Couldn't believe it. Congrats! We have rules: if you don't post pics of the new rifle when it comes in, you get banned. |
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Originally Posted By vellnueve:
Seems like a question we can't really answer... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By vellnueve:
Originally Posted By coolhand:
Should I wait for FDE model or get the BLK model now? Seems like a question we can't really answer... Well, tomorrow they may be banned....you never know....don't be left out |
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Originally Posted By BulletBait:
The fuss is also that the ARX is only MIL grade one out that is truly multi-caliber and mags. The Masada was supposed to be multi-caliber, but Bushy fucked us. Note that the top is a late version and bottom pic is an early rifle. Pics of the 7.62x39 caliber conversion that uses AK mags. http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r128/BulletBait1969/Gun%20Stuff/ARX160/762x39-01.jpg http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r128/BulletBait1969/Gun%20Stuff/ARX160/762x39-02.jpg http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r128/BulletBait1969/Gun%20Stuff/ARX160/762x39-03.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By BulletBait:
Originally Posted By LIONHART:
Originally Posted By poorman:
Originally Posted By RebelAR-15:
Originally Posted By Blain:
Overly bulky and ugly looking. Same weight as a non polymer M4..... What's all the fuss? I agree. The fuss is all the bells and whistles it comes with. I will be getting one as soon as they are available, and the hoped for price point. Oh yeah, me too!!! The fuss is also that the ARX is only MIL grade one out that is truly multi-caliber and mags. The Masada was supposed to be multi-caliber, but Bushy fucked us. Note that the top is a late version and bottom pic is an early rifle. Pics of the 7.62x39 caliber conversion that uses AK mags. http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r128/BulletBait1969/Gun%20Stuff/ARX160/762x39-01.jpg http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r128/BulletBait1969/Gun%20Stuff/ARX160/762x39-02.jpg http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r128/BulletBait1969/Gun%20Stuff/ARX160/762x39-03.jpg I'd consider getting one of those.... |
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Oh yeah, me too!!! The fuss is also that the ARX is only MIL grade one out that is truly multi-caliber and mags. The Masada was supposed to be multi-caliber, but Bushy fucked us. Note that the top is a late version and bottom pic is an early rifle. Pics of the 7.62x39 caliber conversion that uses AK mags. http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r128/BulletBait1969/Gun%20Stuff/ARX160/762x39-01.jpg http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r128/BulletBait1969/Gun%20Stuff/ARX160/762x39-02.jpg http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r128/BulletBait1969/Gun%20Stuff/ARX160/762x39-03.jpg I'd consider getting one of those.... View Quote How do those go in? looks like the magwell is closed i can't see how they would rock into place. |
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Where is that picture from. Is that the ARX 160? or an SBR ARX 100?
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The rifle looks a lot better in FDE IMHO.
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