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Posted: 4/7/2006 4:57:29 PM EDT
I'm visitor here, and am relating info about a project 3 of us
over on AR developed. I mentioned it in the Tricks thread.
We built a long, super strong, 12ga Paradox style cartridge, by
putting 12ga size rim on bmg cases. 1st picture of our case
next to regular 12ga case which can also be fired in our
chambers. 2nd pic is my Savage 210 that I used for cartridge with
a heavy barrel and stock.Ed Hubel

http://www.gunownerstv.com/1212.jpg


http://www.gunownerstv.com/redone.jpg
Link Posted: 4/7/2006 7:35:16 PM EDT
[#1]
Damn!

Shoot something with it and post more pics!!!

Link Posted: 4/7/2006 7:41:45 PM EDT
[#2]
Badass
Link Posted: 4/7/2006 7:42:42 PM EDT
[#3]
Link Posted: 4/7/2006 7:43:40 PM EDT
[#4]
You couldn't pay me to trip the trigger on that puppy without a brake on it.

God speed brave soul.......
Link Posted: 4/7/2006 7:48:34 PM EDT
[#5]
WOW!

Does that have to be a destructive device under the National Firearms Act?

I have wondered about that with regular shotgun sluggs, over 50 cal. I guess there is a loophole for shotguns.

I wonder if your rifle is also covered by that.  edited because I see now it can also shoot regular shells.

Not trying to be a killjoy.  Just wanting to make sure it's all legal.
Link Posted: 4/7/2006 7:59:31 PM EDT
[#6]
Holy FUCK A DUCK!!!!



1st picture of our case
next to regular 12ga case which can also be fired in our
chambers.



That is probably going to save them from any problems right there. It's still a shotty but it can also take this monster shell


At the very least guys thread that barrell so you can attach a brake when slug hunting... Whats the weight of that bastard pictured. Shotty and projectile please.
Link Posted: 4/7/2006 9:38:02 PM EDT
[#7]
I can use that to get rid of those goddamm elephants that keep nibbling the buds off my roses.
Link Posted: 4/8/2006 1:14:45 AM EDT
[#8]
"My top energy load is about 11,900 ft lbs"  


More here: www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=178655
Link Posted: 4/8/2006 5:06:07 AM EDT
[#9]
I'd love to see pictures of the shooter and target after a shot and see which has more damage!
Link Posted: 4/8/2006 6:02:51 AM EDT
[#10]
WOW

Mike
Link Posted: 4/8/2006 6:07:41 AM EDT
[#11]
Jesus Christ in fuck me pumps thats bad ass.
Link Posted: 4/8/2006 7:48:40 AM EDT
[#12]
THat's a hell of a build.
Link Posted: 4/8/2006 8:25:50 AM EDT
[#13]
Is that a crew served weapon?
Link Posted: 4/8/2006 10:04:42 AM EDT
[#14]
It doesn't kick bad as it weighs 25 lbs, and has thick recoil pad.
Long barrel, 31" helps. Kicks about like a 10 lb  458 Lott.
Yes it is legal as it is technically just a 12ga 3 3/4 inch,
and my barrel is marked that way. Title 18 of GCA exempts
shotguns from being DDs(thank goodness for all shotgun owners
would be registered and paying $200 tax per gun) and
in asking bureaucrats, that means any
type of case(paper, plastic, brass, aluminum, steel),
any practical length, any projectile or shot, rifled barrel or
smooth.Here is picture of the nice African style one Rob built
on the Borchardt falling block.Ed Hubel


http://www.hunt101.com/img/349129.JPG
Link Posted: 4/8/2006 3:01:23 PM EDT
[#15]
How much do they sell for?
Link Posted: 4/8/2006 3:40:53 PM EDT
[#16]
WOW!  I need one...  Along with the pintle mount so I can put it on a tripod...  

However, it might be worth machining a brake that looks like one you'd find on a WWII era Anti-Tank gun, as that would just be downright badass.  
Link Posted: 4/8/2006 3:56:10 PM EDT
[#17]
Woo-Hoo! A Graboid killing rifle. I bet Burt would be all over it.



Link Posted: 4/8/2006 3:58:47 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
It doesn't kick bad as it weighs 25 lbs, and has thick recoil pad.
Long barrel, 31" helps. Kicks about like a 10 lb  458 Lott.
Yes it is legal as it is technically just a 12ga 3 3/4 inch,
and my barrel is marked that way. Title 18 of GCA exempts
shotguns from being DDs(thank goodness for all shotgun owners
would be registered and paying $200 tax per gun) and
in asking bureaucrats, that means any
type of case(paper, plastic, brass, aluminum, steel),
any practical length, any projectile or shot, rifled barrel or
smooth.Here is picture of the nice African style one Rob built
on the Borchardt falling block.Ed Hubel


www.hunt101.com/img/349129.JPG



Does it have 2 triggers?
Link Posted: 4/8/2006 4:10:03 PM EDT
[#19]
Sweet Mary Francis!

I love the idea and would nearly pay to view a video of it being fired.
Link Posted: 4/8/2006 4:28:25 PM EDT
[#20]
Send her to me with a case of ammo,  I'll shoot her and post a very detailed review for all the pussies here!


Travis
Link Posted: 4/8/2006 4:40:33 PM EDT
[#21]
Wow!  
Link Posted: 4/8/2006 5:52:51 PM EDT
[#22]
I LIKE IT!
Link Posted: 4/8/2006 5:59:46 PM EDT
[#23]
Link Posted: 4/8/2006 9:08:10 PM EDT
[#24]
Rob has a double set trigger on his.His handles high pressures,
and he got 750 gr bullet out at 3000 fps. I got a 327gr sabot
out of my Savage at 3900, just to test it.Got 870 gr hardened
cast slug over 2300.I keep my pressures at about 30,000 psi.
The Savage has a big 3 lug bolt head and would go real
high pressures if action was thicker. I am trying
to find someone to make a heavy, thick action to put bolt in.
Here is picture of a case I reloaded and fired 36 times, sectioned.
No signs of thinning, not even to measure.So we have a winner
in our super strong case, good for couple hundred reloads.Ed


http://www.gunownerstv.com/12s.jpg
Link Posted: 4/8/2006 9:15:44 PM EDT
[#25]
Link Posted: 4/8/2006 9:19:38 PM EDT
[#26]
Tag  

Link Posted: 4/9/2006 2:33:41 AM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:
Its not this gun is it?



I'm planning on getting one of those this year!
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 8:37:05 AM EDT
[#28]
No ours is not that gun in the video. That is our
"intrepid" AR forum owner, screwing around with a
T-Rex that got the best of him.Mine heavy enough to
handle recoil, Ed
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 3:00:51 PM EDT
[#29]
That is pretty incredible.
I would love to see the wound channel created by that thing.
I am always thinking about a better bear gun for camping trips....I have to think that this would take down anything that breathes. Nice work!
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 4:05:29 PM EDT
[#30]
I would LOVE to see video of that in action!
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 5:29:30 PM EDT
[#31]
Shit that thing is crazy.  Good work man.
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 6:08:06 PM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:

I would love to see the wound channel created by that thing.



You could drive a yugo through the "wound channel" looking for bits and pieces of the body it hit.

Link Posted: 4/9/2006 9:34:49 PM EDT
[#33]
Mother mary of god thats big. I like it.


Quoted:
Damn!

Shoot something with it and post more pics!!!




+1 (thousand)
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 9:39:06 PM EDT
[#34]
Kills on one end, wounds on the other.
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 12:07:36 AM EDT
[#35]
Damn. That is badass.  

Need more pictures and a video!!
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 7:23:08 AM EDT
[#36]
Wowsers.
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 8:24:01 AM EDT
[#37]
Tag
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 9:16:18 AM EDT
[#38]
Damn it man!
How much does it cost!?

Link Posted: 4/10/2006 3:49:22 PM EDT
[#39]
Cost--Did my own work- gun $400--Used a barrel that was a second $50-
$20 heavy stock - Brass- $100. Pad $40-reamed chamber on lathe.
So I have about $600. If you use first class barrel $300 and
$100 stock blank, reamer, brass you will have a grand in it,
doing your ownwork. Gunsmith charges I don't know.
Rob did his work with expensive action, and fancy stock wood,
and he has $3500 plus in it.Ed
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 8:43:22 PM EDT
[#40]
I think that thing could put a Bradley IFV out of action!  

Forget "12 gauge from hell" and change the title to "Barret .50 cals are for wussies!"
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 9:25:06 PM EDT
[#41]
WTF   do  you shoot with it? Messerschmits?

I quote Ragnar Benson: "I never thought a man needed a reason to own a gun, but I could think of  a LOT of reasons not to own this gun!"
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 9:57:32 AM EDT
[#42]
Maybe you will be able to shoot down satalites with it!
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 12:13:07 PM EDT
[#43]
Full Power Shot™ anyone ? Wouldn't be a DD because it could be classed as a shotgun.  The same way single-shot .410's can chamber/fire .45LC.

Might make a good gator-gun.  If it were semi-auto ( no way, lol) or pump-action, might have uses for dangerous game or defense against bears, etc.  
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 12:51:46 PM EDT
[#44]

Quoted:
Full Power Shot™ anyone ? Wouldn't be a DD because it could be classed as a shotgun.  The same way single-shot .410's can chamber/fire .45LC.

Might make a good gator-gun.  If it were semi-auto ( no way, lol) or pump-action, might have uses for dangerous game or defense against bears, etc.  


The semi auto action would REALLY help the NOT BREAKING YOUR SHOULDER. Plus it would be totally badass.
-jls7
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 5:50:56 PM EDT
[#45]
There a guy out west building one a AR-50 bolt action.
He will be able to run high pressures.Couple others
checking out Encores and some heavy doubles..Ed
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 7:17:13 PM EDT
[#46]
I'll wait for the semi auto, chopped, pistol-gripped AOW version.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 9:05:11 AM EDT
[#47]
Here is the picture of a big double with heavy
alloy barrels we are checking on to use.Ed


http://www.zabalahermanos.com/213-magnum-1.JPG
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 7:37:13 PM EDT
[#48]
There's no way around it man, you have to make these things.
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 5:48:32 AM EDT
[#49]

Quoted:
Damn!

Shoot something with it and post more pics!!!




+1

Link Posted: 4/14/2006 6:47:56 AM EDT
[#50]
god WTF do you plan on shooting with that is it some kind of anti tank ... oh yeah elaphant guns to the next level sending them in to space.... knock you on your ass recoil really
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