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Posted: 1/31/2015 12:06:02 PM EDT
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I like these key mod handguards by guntec , some don't like them because they are a pain in the ass to put on. You have to find a narrow 1 1/4" crow foot or grind bevels on a regular one like I did. Use the shims that come with it to get it clocked right, on and off several times but worth the trouble to me.
Here is a link to a great place to buy one. Link They also have 7",10",12" as well as the 15" , I have 12" and15" of these. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 3:59:47 PM EDT
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Doesn't fit into the cheaper category, but has one of the most rock-solid attaching methods. BCM KMR:
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Posted: 1/31/2015 4:24:37 PM EDT
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Midwest industries gen2 ss handguard
MI Gen2 SS handguard They are running deals on panels and gas blocks when u buy these hand guards. I just installed the 12" model on a carbine length and a mid-length rifle. Super light. Best rail I've used. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 4:48:38 PM EDT
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UTG PRO Super Slim.
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Posted: 1/31/2015 4:49:58 PM EDT
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AP Customs makes some nice carbon fiber handguards. They're solid and super light.
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Posted: 1/31/2015 8:19:02 PM EDT
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UTG PRO Super Slim. I just installed one on a grendel. Nice for the $, slim and light. Very secure system. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 8:33:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/31/2015 8:44:45 PM EDT
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Doesn't fit into the cheaper category, but has one of the most rock-solid attaching methods. BCM KMR: http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag103/Headbarcode/B1AED190-7088-4333-98EE-BC6130C1957A-1108-000003437E5F7EDD_zps4389ec56.jpg Nice for sure. But 3 bills on a handguard ain't happening. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 8:45:42 PM EDT
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Mi ss g2 or alg emr
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Posted: 1/31/2015 9:02:50 PM EDT
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Strike industries. Comes with cooling fins, key mod sections on 7 sides, cheap, easy install.
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Posted: 1/31/2015 9:10:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Doesn't fit into the cheaper category, but has one of the most rock-solid attaching methods. BCM KMR: http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag103/Headbarcode/B1AED190-7088-4333-98EE-BC6130C1957A-1108-000003437E5F7EDD_zps4389ec56.jpg +1 KMR rails are stupid light.
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Posted: 1/31/2015 10:46:19 PM EDT
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kmr is the way ! about 250 ish
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Posted: 2/1/2015 1:48:59 AM EDT
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i looked for a while, needed to replace a 12 inch centurion C4 with something that is 10 inch.
I liked the c4 alot, i just didnt' need the side rails. Wound up buying a SLR Entrepid Lite....which has just the top and bottom rails. m-lok on the sides. Have not installed the rail yet, waiting for the barrel SLR Intrepid series |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 8:29:45 AM EDT
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ALG rails or Midwest Industries are awesome for the price.
Your concerned about the area that bolts to barrel nut? It hangs down like a 1/4 of an inch and about 1/2" long. How would that effect you shooting off sticks? |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 8:57:04 AM EDT
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ALG rails or Midwest Industries are awesome for the price. Your concerned about the area that bolts to barrel nut? It hangs down like a 1/4 of an inch and about 1/2" long. How would that effect you shooting off sticks? My forehand grips around the front of the lower receiver, so I think this "boss" would dig into the top of my hand. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 9:00:42 AM EDT
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Why the hell hasn't china copied some of these designs? It sure would help drive the price of this overprived US ones down.
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Posted: 2/1/2015 9:51:05 AM EDT
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Why the hell hasn't china copied some of these designs? It sure would help drive the price of this overprived US ones down. They have tried & China knock offs are not showing themselves to be good, at all. UTG Pro guards are very competitively priced & are showing themselves to be of good build quality. Most would agree, Please buy American & support American companies & their employees. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 9:56:56 AM EDT
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They have tried & China knock offs are not showing themselves to be good, at all. UTG Pro guards are very competitively priced & are showing themselves to be of good build quality. Most would agree, Please buy American & support American companies & their employees. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why the hell hasn't china copied some of these designs? It sure would help drive the price of this overprived US ones down. They have tried & China knock offs are not showing themselves to be good, at all. UTG Pro guards are very competitively priced & are showing themselves to be of good build quality. Most would agree, Please buy American & support American companies & their employees. I'm all for that. I'm also for free trade. So, if US companies charged say $600 would (should) we still buy them. It's just a $3 alum tube and cnc time....and a dip in a tank. 
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Posted: 2/1/2015 10:03:11 AM EDT
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I'm all for that. I'm also for free trade. So, if US companies charged say $600 would (should) we still buy them. It's just a $3 alum tube and cnc time....and a dip in a tank. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why the hell hasn't china copied some of these designs? It sure would help drive the price of this overprived US ones down. They have tried & China knock offs are not showing themselves to be good, at all. UTG Pro guards are very competitively priced & are showing themselves to be of good build quality. Most would agree, Please buy American & support American companies & their employees. I'm all for that. I'm also for free trade. So, if US companies charged say $600 would (should) we still buy them. It's just a $3 alum tube and cnc time....and a dip in a tank. I was in the same boat when I started building. I thought it was a tad too expensive for fancy aluminum FF rails. Now I have three MI rails & will be getting more soon for uppers I am assembling. The new ones will be built with UTG Pro SS rails or ? Obviously it isn't all that easy otherwise the market would be flooded with cheap & effective FF rails. But in the grand scheme of $1000+ AR's, a $150 FF HG is not that expensive. Gotta pay to play. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 10:29:43 AM EDT
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I was in the same boat when I started building. I thought it was a tad too expensive for fancy aluminum FF rails. Now I have three MI rails & will be getting more soon for uppers I am assembling. The new ones will be built with UTG Pro SS rails or ? Obviously it isn't all that easy otherwise the market would be flooded with cheap & effective FF rails. But in the grand scheme of $1000+ AR's, a $150 FF HG is not that expensive. Gotta pay to play. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why the hell hasn't china copied some of these designs? It sure would help drive the price of this overprived US ones down. They have tried & China knock offs are not showing themselves to be good, at all. UTG Pro guards are very competitively priced & are showing themselves to be of good build quality. Most would agree, Please buy American & support American companies & their employees. I'm all for that. I'm also for free trade. So, if US companies charged say $600 would (should) we still buy them. It's just a $3 alum tube and cnc time....and a dip in a tank. I was in the same boat when I started building. I thought it was a tad too expensive for fancy aluminum FF rails. Now I have three MI rails & will be getting more soon for uppers I am assembling. The new ones will be built with UTG Pro SS rails or ? Obviously it isn't all that easy otherwise the market would be flooded with cheap & effective FF rails. But in the grand scheme of $1000+ AR's, a $150 FF HG is not that expensive. Gotta pay to play. I would put $150 at the very top top of what I'm willing to pay for a calling rig. That's 1/4 a year would of fur....just for a damn handguard. It just has to be functional....don't give a damn about tacicool. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 1:28:53 PM EDT
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Has anybody had any experience with skulltactical.com? I was in the same boat and stumbled across their lo-pro keymod handguard and took a chance. It doesn't appear to be airsoft junk. The machining looks pretty nice and the barrel but threads on okay. The finish is a slightly different color than my receivers, but I figure if it starts to flake I'll cerakote all 3. It looks pretty much like a knockoff of the Noveski NSR.
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Posted: 2/1/2015 1:44:54 PM EDT
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I'm all for that. I'm also for free trade. So, if US companies charged say $600 would (should) we still buy them. It's just a $3 alum tube and cnc time....and a dip in a tank. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why the hell hasn't china copied some of these designs? It sure would help drive the price of this overprived US ones down. They have tried & China knock offs are not showing themselves to be good, at all. UTG Pro guards are very competitively priced & are showing themselves to be of good build quality. Most would agree, Please buy American & support American companies & their employees. I'm all for that. I'm also for free trade. So, if US companies charged say $600 would (should) we still buy them. It's just a $3 alum tube and cnc time....and a dip in a tank. If it's so easy make them yourself. I'm sure R&D, labor, overhead, and a quarter million dollar CNC machine + costs for tooling have nothing to do with the price. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 1:46:00 PM EDT
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Anyone running one of these?
http://algdefense.com/10-ergonomic-modular-rail-black-698.html |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 1:49:58 PM EDT
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If it's so easy make them yourself. I'm sure R&D, labor, overhead, and a quarter million dollar CNC machine + costs for tooling have nothing to do with the price. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why the hell hasn't china copied some of these designs? It sure would help drive the price of this overprived US ones down. They have tried & China knock offs are not showing themselves to be good, at all. UTG Pro guards are very competitively priced & are showing themselves to be of good build quality. Most would agree, Please buy American & support American companies & their employees. I'm all for that. I'm also for free trade. So, if US companies charged say $600 would (should) we still buy them. It's just a $3 alum tube and cnc time....and a dip in a tank. If it's so easy make them yourself. I'm sure R&D, labor, overhead, and a quarter million dollar CNC machine + costs for tooling have nothing to do with the price. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile that's what chinamen are for. 
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Posted: 2/1/2015 7:26:21 PM EDT
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Anyone running one of these? http://algdefense.com/10-ergonomic-modular-rail-black-698.html ALG is GTG |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 7:38:32 PM EDT
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Anyone running one of these? http://algdefense.com/10-ergonomic-modular-rail-black-698.html I bought the 12" over the holidays for a build I'm working on. I haven't mounted it yet but it seems like a quality piece and I like it. |
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Posted: 2/2/2015 1:37:38 PM EDT
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ALG is pretty much the same company as Geissele?
I was looking at their rails, but wanted the standard rail on top/bottom. Here are some pictures of a 10 inch SLR rail I just got in. SLR uses a aluminum barrel nut that most people just fasten it on with an adjustable wrench that allows for 1 1/4 inch; honestly I am slightly worried about stripping that barrel nut. But i picked up a quality wrench, we shall see 
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Posted: 2/2/2015 10:17:03 PM EDT
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Went ahead and ordered a 12" ALG M-lok rail. I hope it will work with the SAA low pro gas block on my carbine.
http://algdefense.com/10-ergonomic-modular-rail-black-698.html |
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Posted: 2/2/2015 11:30:39 PM EDT
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+1 for the emr
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Posted: 2/3/2015 10:16:44 AM EDT
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Nordic Components makes a really nice tube. You can add rail sections if you want, otherwise it's just a round, aluminum, slotted FF tube. 13.25 ounces for rifle-length all up (with barrel nut/hardware). Not KMR weight, but it's also under $100. If you want to cover most of the barrel, they also make an extended version that's 15.5"; that one's also under a Benjamin.
This is the extended length on a 20" Lothar-Walther varmint-tactical barrel. Great tube. Don't have this upper anymore though. I do have a regular rifle-length on a 16", but no photos of it right now. Depending on when I get home today and what all I have going on, I'll try to get a photo up. 
pdog1 by Armed Ferret, on Flickr |
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Posted: 2/3/2015 10:22:29 AM EDT
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ALG is pretty much the same company as Geissele? No, ALG is a separate company. It stands for Amy Lynn Geissele (not sure if spelling is correct on middle name; going off phonetics), Bill's wife. She owns the company, but as she's Amish you won't find photos of her nor does she actively participate in engineering/R&D/etc. It's the same family, but technically a separate company. |
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Posted: 2/3/2015 11:33:16 AM EDT
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Nortic
12.5" Id =1.75 Od=2" Wt=13.25oz $85? ALG m-lok 12" id= 1.46" Od= 1.75" Wt= 8.96oz. $110 Nortic wins with lower price. ALG wins for lighter weight, built in qd sling mounts, m-lok system, and thinner profile. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong or missed anything. WDO |
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Posted: 2/3/2015 12:33:04 PM EDT
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Nortic 12.5" Id =1.75 Od=2" Wt=13.25oz $85? ALG m-lok 12" id= 1.46" Od= 1.75" Wt= 8.96oz. $110 Nortic wins with lower price. ALG wins for lighter weight, built in qd sling mounts, m-lok system, and thinner profile. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong or missed anything. WDO I re-read your original post and couldn't find any of those criteria listed. So yes, you missed a lot the first time around. Maybe listing all your criteria initially will save us all some time. |
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Posted: 2/3/2015 12:54:27 PM EDT
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I re-read your original post and couldn't find any of those criteria listed. So yes, you missed a lot the first time around. Maybe listing all your criteria initially will save us all some time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nortic 12.5" Id =1.75 Od=2" Wt=13.25oz $85? ALG m-lok 12" id= 1.46" Od= 1.75" Wt= 8.96oz. $110 Nortic wins with lower price. ALG wins for lighter weight, built in qd sling mounts, m-lok system, and thinner profile. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong or missed anything. WDO I re-read your original post and couldn't find any of those criteria listed. So yes, you missed a lot the first time around. Maybe listing all your criteria initially will save us all some time. the last post was just comparing 2 of the recently suggested ones. |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 1:04:39 AM EDT
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Thanks for the recommendations for reasonably-priced FF tubes--and thanks especially to the guys who took the time to post pictures.
Looks to me like many of the rail manufacturers are using known designs--the ALG seems to be using a Midwest Industries-style timing lug, but went their own way on the barrel nut. Anyone who has installed one care to weigh the pro's and con's of the design, ease of installation? Any problems with the shims? Are you at all concerned (long term) that the rail is supported by steel screws in an aluminum barrel nut? As for the Nordic Components--the barrel nut seem a lot like the YHM design--yes? Is the barrel nut steel or aluminum? Any problems with the install? Standard barrel wrench--ir is there a proprietary wrench involved? Thanks for sharing your expertise, gentlemen. |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 3:34:33 PM EDT
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AP customs makes an insanely light FF carbon fiber handguard:
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/forend-amp-handguard-parts/handguards-amp-rails/ar15-m16-carbon-fiber-free-float-tubes-prod54552.aspx?avs|Manufacturer_1=AP%20INDUSTRIES%20LLC Mid-length is 4.5oz. for $131.99 |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 10:57:20 PM EDT
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Nordic Components barrel nut is similar to YHM's, but is a different thread pitch and is aluminium. Standard barrel wrench works on the NC nut.
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Posted: 2/4/2015 11:49:45 PM EDT
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Are you at all concerned (long term) that the rail is supported by steel screws in an aluminum barrel nut? . My MI hand guard is aluminum with steel screws securing it no problem if anti seize is used. V |
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Posted: 2/5/2015 12:54:40 PM EDT
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AP Customs makes some nice carbon fiber handguards. They're solid and super light. Was going to put one of these on a piston build but they wouldn't play nice together. Otherwise though it was VERY nice for the $$$ and very solid, as well as feather light. Ended up with the MI SS Gen II and love it! Slim and light, and the way it mounts would seem to serve as a sort of stop in your sticks ahead of your magwell. |
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Posted: 2/7/2015 1:28:29 AM EDT
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My friend has a UTG keymod and it looks very well built, is light and is fairly inexpensive ($130?). I'd recommend it.
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