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Posted: 1/30/2015 1:07:30 AM EDT
Before you say "WTF??", for those that are not familiar with the f'd up laws in the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia, you have two options when buying or building an AR-15.

Option #1)  The same semi-auto AR everyone else has, with all the standard features (adjustable stocks, forward grips, etc.) - EXCEPT you MUST have a "Bullet Button" (a non detachable magazine, or a mag release that requires a tool to be inserted to remove the magazine) - and - you are limited to 10-round magazines

- OR -

Option #2) The California Featureless Rifle:  You start with your standard AR, BUT YOU MAY NOT HAVE ANY of the following:  No Flash Hider (muzzle brakes are OK), No Forward Vertical Grip (angled grips are OK), No Thumb Hole Stocks, No Folding or Telescoping Stocks, No Grenade Launcher, and the big one NO PISTOL GRIP.

HOWEVER, with this configuration, you may continue to use a 'standard' magazine release, and also use (pre-ban) standard capacity magazines.

So, while I have more than a few AR's in the "option #1" configuration that I purchased as complete rifles, this is my first build (more like an assembly actually) that also allows for the use of standard mags and a standard mag release .

Spikes Tactical stripped Punisher Lower
Spikes Tactical Carbine Receiver Extension
Spikes Tactical T-2 Buffer & Spring
Magpul CTR Stock (disabled / pinned)
Magpul Extended Rubber Butt Pad
Magpul BAD Lever
Magpul 30-round Mags
Magpul MBUS Pro BUIS
CMMG Lower Parts Kit
MolonLabe.com Trigger Guard
Geissele SSA Trigger
RifleGrip.com Grip**
Gunfighter Mod 4 Charging Handle
Noveske 60-Degree Short Throw Ambi-Safety Selector
Noveske QD Endplate
Noveske Keymod QD Sling Attachment Point
Noveske Keymod Picatinny Rail Section
Noveske 15" NSR Free Floated Handguard
Noveske 16" 1-in-7" Stainless Barrel w/Mid-Length Gas System
AAC Single Chamber Muzzle Brake
LaRue Tactical Index Clips
Trijicon VCOG 1-6x Variable Combat Optical Gunsight in Trijicon mount



** For those curious about the RifleGrip.com grip, it's actually pretty comfortable (especially compared to the alternative MonsterMan grip or Hammerhead Grip) and still allows for the use of a standard stock, rather than going with the popular Thorsdon FRS-15 stock.  The RifleGrip is made by a guy in NY state, for those AR owners afflicted by New York's "Safe Act".  In practical use, the RifleGrip places your trigger hand thumb so that it rides right on the ambi-safety selector.
Link Posted: 1/30/2015 1:25:28 AM EDT
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Very nice build!

...so in theory,  you could switch out the grip, if you to travel to a neighboring free state?
or does that grip need to be permanent?
Link Posted: 1/30/2015 1:26:23 AM EDT
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Very nice build!

...so in theory,  you could switch out the grip, if you to travel to a neighboring free state?
or does that grip need to be permanent?
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In a Free State, a man is Free to do as he wishes (with his grip).

ETA:  Frankly, the pinned stock may turn out to be more of an inconvenience than the grip.
Link Posted: 1/30/2015 1:29:25 AM EDT
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So by removing the pistol grip and putting a weird horizontal grip, you just made that rifle go from CHILD KILLING DEATH MACHINE to standard everyday range plinker.

Nice!


Link Posted: 1/30/2015 1:30:29 AM EDT
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Only way to get around having a BB.
Link Posted: 1/30/2015 1:31:17 AM EDT
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So by removing the pistol grip and putting a weird horizontal grip, you just made that rifle go from CHILD KILLING DEATH MACHINE to standard everyday range plinker.

Nice!


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Pretty much.  Thank Diane Feinstein & Friends
Link Posted: 1/30/2015 1:31:53 AM EDT
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Yup.  Seemed like the best solution for matches
Link Posted: 1/30/2015 2:48:15 AM EDT
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I mean really? I'm in KommieFornia but is a bullet button really the bane of our existence? Sorry I don't get it?

So you have pre ban mags that you can prove?

I will take the bullet button over that thing.

Sorry
Link Posted: 1/30/2015 3:02:24 AM EDT
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I mean really? I'm in KommieFornia but is a bullet button really the bane of our existence? Sorry I don't get it?

So you have pre ban mags that you can prove?

I will take the bullet button over that thing.

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Have you ever competed in a run-n-gun Rifle match or 3-Gun competition using a Bullet Button'd rifle?   Probably not, or you'd know why and not have to ask.

Prove to who?  You?  

You can have all the bullet button'd rifles you want.  More power to you.

ETA:  Hope you never need to use your BB'd rifle to defend yourself and need more than 10-rounds.
Link Posted: 1/30/2015 3:33:20 AM EDT
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So you're able to use new receivers for a featureless build, in order to use pre-owned baby-killing 30 round magazines?

I'm working on a hopper for you guys.  The Hickenlooper hopper.
Link Posted: 1/30/2015 3:38:16 AM EDT
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Absolutely, and you can build all the featureless rifles you want, all the live long day...
Link Posted: 1/30/2015 3:54:20 AM EDT
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The rifle looks fine. I have a couple detachable featureless CA rifles too.

It would be pretty difficult to "prove" that Magpul PMAG 30 is a pre-ban (2000) magazine since Pmags weren't invented until 2007. -W
Link Posted: 1/30/2015 3:55:42 AM EDT
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Easy Hollywood. You Southern California guys are so sensitive. To each his own right? I have cop buddies who look at the magazines first. They couldn't care less about stocks and such. I was told you had to prove the pre ban mags were purchased by you Before the ban.

I didn't mean to touch a nerve. I understand LA makes normal people freaky deaky after a while.

It was just my opinion your rifle was fugly. Even parents of ugly kids love them and tell them they are beautiful

Good luck at the running and gunning rootin tootin shootin 3 gun matches.

I have plenty of magazines for "defending" myself!! And I won't get defensive either

PasoGunner

PS I mill all my lowers from 80%ers. That way Gov Moonbeam don't even know I have them.

Good Luck and God Bless
Link Posted: 1/30/2015 4:00:10 AM EDT
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There is no burden of proof on the owner of high capacity magazines that they were owned prior to the ban. The burden is on the state that you didn't. -W
Link Posted: 1/30/2015 4:12:38 AM EDT
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The rifle looks fine. I have a couple detachable featureless CA rifles too.

It would be pretty difficult to "prove" that Magpul PMAG 30 is a pre-ban (2000) magazine since Pmags weren't invented until 2007. -W
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They were purchased as rebuild kits to repair my older magazines
Link Posted: 1/30/2015 4:22:23 AM EDT
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Well I wish you all luck sticking it to the man getting to use your  "pre-ban" Magpul polymer magazine. I also with you luck proving the government wrong. We all know in KommieFornia how warm and pleasant law enforcement is here. I'm sure when you tell them that these polymer 30 round magazines are "pre ban" and it's their problem to burden of proof that you did not buy them pre ban I'm sure they will just slap you on the back and let you use your 30 rounders. I know after you set them straight they would not dare mess with u again.

I really like my zombie green AR15 with the 10 rnd and bullet button. I'm so far below you I even have an VFG and AFG, a bipod, greens and red lasers, acog and a eotech with magnifyer on .45° angle. I wish I could learn from you someday. Your parts list is my "Holy Grail"

Thanks for schooling us underlings with your helpful and awesome attitude.

PS what's your ugly kids name anyway?

PasoGunner
Link Posted: 1/30/2015 4:24:38 AM EDT
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Easy Hollywood. You Southern California guys are so sensitive. To each his own right? I have cop buddies who look at the magazines first. They couldn't care less about stocks and such. I was told you had to prove the pre ban mags were purchased by you Before the ban.

I didn't mean to touch a nerve. I understand LA makes normal people freaky deaky after a while.

It was just my opinion your rifle was fugly. Even parents of ugly kids love them and tell them they are beautiful

Good luck at the running and gunning rootin tootin shootin 3 gun matches.

I have plenty of magazines for "defending" myself!! And I won't get defensive either

PasoGunner

PS I mill all my lowers from 80%ers. That way Gov Moonbeam don't even know I have them.

Good Luck and God Bless
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Actually I was taking it easy on you.  

I could care less that you think the rifle is ugly.  What I have is a problem with is your eagerness to accept the limiting use of the bullet button and outright dismissal of a featureless.  Your comments sound like you enjoy being restricted, and have no understanding of why someone else would want to be free of this obvious handicap.

Do you enjoy licking the boots of your overlord masters?  I do not.
Link Posted: 1/30/2015 4:34:39 AM EDT
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Well thanks for taking it easy on my. I hear you West Hollywood men can get pretty rough.

I hate being restricted as much or more than you. What I build from 80% lowers I build for me and my family. I do not put pictures on Facebook, Twitter,  and crap like that to advertise. What I build are Solid tools that do their job Every time.  I have a couple rifles I take to ranges. The rest I shoot on land in the country.

Of course my builds are not advertised along with their list of superior parts (more expensive anyway)

My rifles are 100% USA made parts, made milled by Me (USA born) on an USA made mill. I shoot USA made ammo. Also I don't pay 4X as much so I can feel superion.

You da man. I am not worthy to carry your spent brass............NOT
Link Posted: 1/30/2015 4:39:40 AM EDT
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Would y'all mind taking your pissing match to IM's, please?
Link Posted: 1/30/2015 4:39:46 AM EDT
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Well thanks for taking it easy on my. I hear you West Hollywood men can get pretty rough.

I hate being restricted as much or more than you. What I build from 80% lowers I build for me and my family. I do not put pictures on Facebook, Twitter,  and crap like that to advertise. What I build are Solid tools that do their job Every time.  I have a couple rifles I take to ranges. The rest I shoot on land in the country.

Of course my builds are not advertised along with their list of superior parts (more expensive anyway)

My rifles are 100% USA made parts, made milled by Me (USA born) on an USA made mill. I shoot USA made ammo. Also I don't pay 4X as much so I can feel superion.

You da man. I am not worthy to carry your spent brass............NOT
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I think you're mistaking this thread for GD, and mistaking me for someone who cares.
Link Posted: 1/30/2015 4:42:27 AM EDT
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Works for me. Have a great night!
Link Posted: 1/30/2015 4:43:40 AM EDT
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Quoted:  The rifle looks fine. I have a couple detachable featureless CA rifles too.

It would be pretty difficult to "prove" that Magpul PMAG 30 is a pre-ban (2000) magazine since Pmags weren't invented until 2007. -W


They were purchased as rebuild kits to repair my older magazines


So how does the rebuild thing work?  You had to get rebuild kits in before they banned rebuild kits, and you can rebuild your pre-owned pre-ban magazines with the rebuild kit?  You replace everything but the spring, and then a while down the road you replace the spring when it wears out?
Link Posted: 1/30/2015 4:46:21 AM EDT
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So how does the rebuild thing work?  You had to get rebuild kits in before they banned rebuild kits, and you can rebuild your pre-owned pre-ban magazines with the rebuild kit?  You replace everything but the spring, and then a while down the road you replace the spring when it wears out?
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It would be pretty difficult to "prove" that Magpul PMAG 30 is a pre-ban (2000) magazine since Pmags weren't invented until 2007. -W


They were purchased as rebuild kits to repair my older magazines


So how does the rebuild thing work?  You had to get rebuild kits in before they banned rebuild kits, and you can rebuild your pre-owned pre-ban magazines with the rebuild kit?  You replace everything but the spring, and then a while down the road you replace the spring when it wears out?

Correct
Link Posted: 1/30/2015 4:48:42 AM EDT
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Raddlock. Problem solved.
Link Posted: 1/30/2015 4:54:05 AM EDT
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Not really.  Legally speaking, you shouldn't be running in a match in CA with the raddlock in "position 2 / standard mode" as this mode is intended for use outside California.  Additionally, you would still be limited to 10-round mags while using the Raddlock.  Further the Raddlock has not actually been approved by the CA DOJ, so, there's that.
Link Posted: 1/30/2015 4:59:18 AM EDT
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Correct


And did they ban the magnetic tool that sat on the bullet button?  Or are some folks still using that?
Link Posted: 1/30/2015 5:01:59 AM EDT
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And did they ban the magnetic tool that sat on the bullet button?  Or are some folks still using that?
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Correct


And did they ban the magnetic tool that sat on the bullet button?  Or are some folks still using that?

Ban it?  No.  But you're "supposed" to only have the "tool" attached to the rifle when you're actually using it during the act of reloading the magazine, and not leaving it attached while you're shooting, which effectively negates the intent of the 'bullet button'.

ETA:  i.e. the "tool" is not supposed to be part of the rifle, even if not permanently attached.   Of course, there has been no test cases yet that I'm aware of.
Link Posted: 1/30/2015 8:26:50 PM EDT
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These work pretty well for matches. as long as you keep track of what direction its going in. It would be nice not to have the bb here
Link Posted: 1/30/2015 8:36:41 PM EDT
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Can I ask where you found the NSR at? been on the hunt for either a 15" or ideally the 16.7". No luck though.
Link Posted: 1/30/2015 8:38:32 PM EDT
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Looks great! From a fellow frustrated as well in CA
Link Posted: 1/30/2015 9:29:07 PM EDT
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These work pretty well for matches. as long as you keep track of what direction its going in. It would be nice not to have the bb here
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I have (and tried) something similar, but mine isn't a steel ring and post....it's an elastic band ring, with a pin through it....I got tired of stabbing myself with it while I was shooting.   I've pretty much tried all the gizmos out there....and it was my desperate search for a solution that led me to the RifleGrip.com grip....which I'm very happy with.
Link Posted: 1/30/2015 9:37:35 PM EDT
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I bought that upper like 2 or 3 years ago as part of a complete Rogue Hunter rifle with a 13.5" NSR handguard, and then bought a separate 15" NSR shortly there after.  I put the 15" NSR on the 16" barrel, and put the 13.5" NSR on another Noveske 14.5" upper I have.  Then I took the NSR that came on the 14.5" (I think it was a 12" NSR) and sold it in the EE.  I like the look and functionality of the handguard extending nearly to the end of the barrel.

Even if I could remember where I got the NSR, it was so long ago I doubt that would help you now.  I think it might have been http://RIFLEGEAR.COM or http://RAINIERARMS.COM, which are both good places to check anyway.
Link Posted: 1/30/2015 9:39:01 PM EDT
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Thanks!  Try it, you'll like it!
Link Posted: 1/30/2015 9:58:03 PM EDT
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Pretty much.  Thank Diane Feinstein & Friends
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So by removing the pistol grip and putting a weird horizontal grip, you just made that rifle go from CHILD KILLING DEATH MACHINE to standard everyday range plinker.

Nice!



Pretty much.  Thank Diane Feinstein & Friends


Nice looking rig!! Question, does your middle finger ride just below the trigger guard? I can see how that would work out pretty good.
Is Ms. Feinstein still alive? Last time I saw her on TV she didn't look so well. You can't ever tell now days. I heard on the news the other day that some guy out west there was still on the city council even though he had been dead for 2 years.
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Nice looking rig!! Question, does your middle finger ride just below the trigger guard? I can see how that would work out pretty good.
Is Ms. Feinstein still alive? Last time I saw her on TV she didn't look so well. You can't ever tell now days. I heard on the news the other day that some guy out west there was still on the city council even though he had been dead for 2 years.
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So by removing the pistol grip and putting a weird horizontal grip, you just made that rifle go from CHILD KILLING DEATH MACHINE to standard everyday range plinker.

Nice!



Pretty much.  Thank Diane Feinstein & Friends


Nice looking rig!! Question, does your middle finger ride just below the trigger guard? I can see how that would work out pretty good.
Is Ms. Feinstein still alive? Last time I saw her on TV she didn't look so well. You can't ever tell now days. I heard on the news the other day that some guy out west there was still on the city council even though he had been dead for 2 years.


Yes, your middle finger rides in the "hook" of the grip just behind the trigger guard.  While conceptually very similar to the Monsterman grip, the ergos of the RIfleGrip seem much more natural.  PLUS, I like that the maker has stamped the grip with "RIFLE GRIP" right on the base of the grip.  If DOJ were to look at it and ask "is that a 'pistol' grip", you can answer will full confidence "No, that's a  "RIFLE GRIP", says so right on it, duh!"

ETA:  DiFi has always been dead to me.
Link Posted: 1/30/2015 10:30:30 PM EDT
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Can you explain the use of the telescoping stock on the rifle. I am reading the OP as stating that a telescoping stock is an evil feature and therefore doesn't make the rifle featureless...









...also, I may have to look into that grip...
Link Posted: 1/30/2015 11:05:18 PM EDT
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Can you explain the use of the telescoping stock on the rifle. I am reading the OP as stating that a telescoping stock is an evil feature and therefore doesn't make the rifle featureless...



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The Featureless Build requires a non-telescoping stock.  In this case the CTR's adjustment mechanism has been disabled, rather than pinning it which would require drilling through the stock and receiver extension.   I detail the steps to disable in this thread
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