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Posted: 12/19/2014 11:06:59 AM EDT
Got to fondle a Magpul armorer's wrench yesterday at PSA.
It's an impressive chunk of metal but dang....eighty bucks? (with tax) Still that didn't keep people from snapping them up. When I first got there they had six of them on the shelf; about fifteen minutes later all but one had been sold. I spoke to one young man who was loading up his basket with quantities of the same small parts so I'm assuming he's a builder. I said "I see you're buying of of those 'buy once, cry once' wrenches" and he said he'd broken three competitor's wrenches and was tired of it. (yeah, OK...I admit it. I want one  )
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Posted: 12/19/2014 11:23:18 AM EDT
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I'll admit it as well, I'd like one. But I think, in fact I know (because of my light wallet), I can wait for a year or two till they become more common and start jamming stock shelves and go on sale.
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Posted: 12/19/2014 11:38:06 AM EDT
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magpul could crap in a box and sell it for $50...
some people buy their stuff just because it says magpul. (not that they dont make good stuff, I own plenty of it myself..) |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 11:49:06 AM EDT
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magpul could crap in a box and sell it for $50... some people buy their stuff just because it says magpul. (not that they dont make good stuff, I own plenty of it myself..) I compare Magpul's pricing to that of Apple. Every once in a while you see something on sale for a couple of bucks less than the norm but for the most part their stuff is priced the same everywhere. Of course, that doesn't stop me from wanting to outfit my build with MOE SL furniture. At the same time I can appreciate the value of good tools. Still think the price point of that wrench is high. Capitalism in action, baby! 
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Posted: 12/19/2014 11:56:10 AM EDT
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Tapco makes a darn good armorer's wrench for a little over $40.
Mine has survived a dozen or so upper builds/rebuilds with no issues so far. Nothing bent, broken, or tweaked. Not sure how Magpul could improve on that... |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 12:01:23 PM EDT
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I have heard that the Gem State is the go to wrench.
Anybody used one? 80 is a little high in my opinion. my 2 cents. JBL |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 12:16:21 PM EDT
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In all my years of working on these rifles (20-30 complete builds, maybe 100 uppers over 15 years) I have not broken the DPMS wrench or the GI wrench. The two of them and set of bushmaster plastic vice blocks might have cost $50 all together.
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Posted: 12/19/2014 12:16:29 PM EDT
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I have heard that the Gem State is the go to wrench. Anybody used one? 80 is a little high in my opinion. my 2 cents. JBL Gem States are hard to find, that's the issue. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 12:17:24 PM EDT
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You couldn't trade me 5 magpul wrenches for my Gem State. It's so purdy I sleep with it !
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Posted: 12/19/2014 12:32:19 PM EDT
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Finding the Gem State is tough. I was able to be patient and wait.
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Posted: 12/19/2014 12:49:51 PM EDT
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If your going to spend $80 on a tool, it better be this one.
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Posted: 12/19/2014 1:03:07 PM EDT
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If your going to spend $80 on a tool, it better be this one. http://www.shotgunnews.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/12/files/cool-tools-geissele-reaction-rod/rod-2.jpg You still need a tool for tightening barrel nuts, that thing is only good for muzzle devices
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Posted: 12/19/2014 1:28:25 PM EDT
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You still need a tool for tightening barrel nuts, that thing is only good for muzzle devices
http://one-of-kellys-heroes.right-0n.com/images/Flame%20Suit.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If your going to spend $80 on a tool, it better be this one. http://www.shotgunnews.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/12/files/cool-tools-geissele-reaction-rod/rod-2.jpg You still need a tool for tightening barrel nuts, that thing is only good for muzzle devices
http://one-of-kellys-heroes.right-0n.com/images/Flame%20Suit.jpg That is why they made the BEV block. 
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Posted: 12/19/2014 1:40:31 PM EDT
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My Gem state wrench has never required me to use anything else on OEM type barrel nuts, muzzle devices, castle nuts, jam nuts, etc. I am sure the Magpul is a quality wrench but just looking at it, I am not sure it does as many functions as the Gem State at twice the price. Good luck whichever way you go.
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Posted: 12/19/2014 2:33:29 PM EDT
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I agree 100% with Lug. I I use my Gem State completely. I have used it for 8 builds so far. You are not going to break it! I found you can move the adapter for barrel nut to either side. That way your hand is pushing or pulling with the smooth side. You won't tear your hand up. It has adapters to purchase for pretty much ALL barrel nuts. It also works on AR10 rifles flash hiders and Pretty much ALL AR10 barrel nuts. I have still never seen a flaw. It took me 2 weeks checking back to see it in stock. I bought one for my father in law and he no longer uses his multitude of ChiCom tools.
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Posted: 12/19/2014 2:57:17 PM EDT
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If your going to spend $80 on a tool, it better be this one. http://www.shotgunnews.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/12/files/cool-tools-geissele-reaction-rod/rod-2.jpg Brownells makes a version of that that works well. I milled flats on the back end, and put it in the vise instead of the receiver. Works great (in conjunction with an armorer's wrench) for (un)installing barrel nuts and muzzle devices. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 3:56:32 PM EDT
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Brownells makes a version of that that works well. I milled flats on the back end, and put it in the vise instead of the receiver. Works great (in conjunction with an armorer's wrench) for (un)installing barrel nuts and muzzle devices. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If your going to spend $80 on a tool, it better be this one. http://www.shotgunnews.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/12/files/cool-tools-geissele-reaction-rod/rod-2.jpg Brownells makes a version of that that works well. I milled flats on the back end, and put it in the vise instead of the receiver. Works great (in conjunction with an armorer's wrench) for (un)installing barrel nuts and muzzle devices. The one for $35.00 right? |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 4:58:29 PM EDT
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Bought both the Magpul armorer wrench and BEV block from Del-ton for $123.40 shipped.
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Posted: 12/19/2014 5:02:55 PM EDT
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How the fuck does someone break an ar wrench? Never mind that he claims to have broken several.
What the fuck is he doing with them? |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 5:14:51 PM EDT
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Gem States are hard to find, that's the issue. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have heard that the Gem State is the go to wrench. Anybody used one? 80 is a little high in my opinion. my 2 cents. JBL Gem States are hard to find, that's the issue. I must have gotten lucky. I got one from them the first time I went to their website |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 5:22:58 PM EDT
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Maybe he is trying to jack up his car with them. You could move a car with a Gem State Wrench. I don't worry about this Armorers tool. Some gas turbine parts I use are not build as well as the Gem State!
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Posted: 12/19/2014 6:26:21 PM EDT
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Finding the Gem State is tough. I was able to be patient and wait. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Finding the Gem State is tough. I was able to be patient and wait. You guys aren't kidding about that. Quoted:
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If your going to spend $80 on a tool, it better be this one. http://www.shotgunnews.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/12/files/cool-tools-geissele-reaction-rod/rod-2.jpg You still need a tool for tightening barrel nuts, that thing is only good for muzzle devices
http://one-of-kellys-heroes.right-0n.com/images/Flame%20Suit.jpg Ok.. I noticed the flame suit and the smiley. Do people often suggest that the reaction rod is inappropriate for anything more? I'd be curious to hear why... From their website: "The removal and installation of barrels, flash hiders, gas blocks and hand guards is made much easier and simpler. The Reaction Rod is designed to be gripped in a bench vise so that the rod is either horizontal or vertical." |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 7:19:56 PM EDT
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You guys aren't kidding about that. Ok.. I noticed the flame suit and the smiley. Do people often suggest that the reaction rod is inappropriate for anything more? I'd be curious to hear why... From their website: "The removal and installation of barrels, flash hiders, gas blocks and hand guards is made much easier and simpler. The Reaction Rod is designed to be gripped in a bench vise so that the rod is either horizontal or vertical." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Finding the Gem State is tough. I was able to be patient and wait. You guys aren't kidding about that. Quoted:
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If your going to spend $80 on a tool, it better be this one. http://www.shotgunnews.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/12/files/cool-tools-geissele-reaction-rod/rod-2.jpg You still need a tool for tightening barrel nuts, that thing is only good for muzzle devices
http://one-of-kellys-heroes.right-0n.com/images/Flame%20Suit.jpg Ok.. I noticed the flame suit and the smiley. Do people often suggest that the reaction rod is inappropriate for anything more? I'd be curious to hear why... From their website: "The removal and installation of barrels, flash hiders, gas blocks and hand guards is made much easier and simpler. The Reaction Rod is designed to be gripped in a bench vise so that the rod is either horizontal or vertical." There have been a few cases of broken index pins and deformed index pin slots in upper receivers from using the reaction rod |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 7:27:24 PM EDT
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There have been a few cases of broken index pins and deformed index pin slots in upper receivers from using the reaction rod Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Finding the Gem State is tough. I was able to be patient and wait. You guys aren't kidding about that. Quoted:
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If your going to spend $80 on a tool, it better be this one. http://www.shotgunnews.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/12/files/cool-tools-geissele-reaction-rod/rod-2.jpg You still need a tool for tightening barrel nuts, that thing is only good for muzzle devices
http://one-of-kellys-heroes.right-0n.com/images/Flame%20Suit.jpg Ok.. I noticed the flame suit and the smiley. Do people often suggest that the reaction rod is inappropriate for anything more? I'd be curious to hear why... From their website: "The removal and installation of barrels, flash hiders, gas blocks and hand guards is made much easier and simpler. The Reaction Rod is designed to be gripped in a bench vise so that the rod is either horizontal or vertical." There have been a few cases of broken index pins and deformed index pin slots in upper receivers from using the reaction rod Not just a few cases, closer to one a month posted here on ARFCOM alone since the reaction rod became popular. There have been a few reports of this happening over on TOS as well. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 7:54:13 PM EDT
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In all my years of working on these rifles (20-30 complete builds, maybe 100 uppers over 15 years) I have not broken the DPMS wrench or the GI wrench. The two of them and set of bushmaster plastic vice blocks might have cost $50 all together. Yup. GI wrench works for me. Think it was 8 bucks. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 7:54:28 PM EDT
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Roger that - thanks for the info.
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Posted: 12/19/2014 8:29:29 PM EDT
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Hammerhead tool
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Posted: 12/19/2014 8:30:53 PM EDT
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Hammerhead tool
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Posted: 12/19/2014 10:20:50 PM EDT
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I just got my Gen State last week...putting her to action tomorrow...damn this thing is nice...built like a tank.
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Posted: 12/20/2014 1:53:10 AM EDT
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NSN 4933-00-070-9152 |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 10:34:40 AM EDT
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Been using the DPMS for years and see no reason to get anything else. Works like it should and if you break it, you're doing something wrong...
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Posted: 12/26/2014 4:48:11 PM EDT
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Been using the DPMS for years and see no reason to get anything else. Works like it should and if you break it, you're doing something wrong... I went over to a buddy's workshop this afternoon and used his vise, block, and DPMS wrench to torque the castle nut which was tightened against a Magpul ASAP end plate. The DPMS wrench worked just fine. |
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Posted: 12/26/2014 6:17:20 PM EDT
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Bought one from PSA fernandina rd store last week and have built 2 rifles with it so far this week, and will build 2 more tomorrow. I loves it. Broke a wheeler and AIM wrench so far in the past 2 years, this is the snap-on of ar wrenches
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Posted: 12/26/2014 9:57:55 PM EDT
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My problem with the wrench has nothing to do with the wrench and everything to do with cost averaging. Same reason I don't have snap on tools.
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Posted: 12/26/2014 10:52:46 PM EDT
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Looks like it would work as advertised...
I just find it hard to swallow paying that much for the privilege to advertise for magpul. The branding and 'logofication' of AR parts and accessories is becoming increasingly ridiculous by the second. I guess its a plus for those guys that like their rifles to look like a Nascar racing suit. |
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Posted: 12/27/2014 12:53:41 AM EDT
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I just got my Gen State last week...putting her to action tomorrow...damn this thing is nice...built like a tank. I have been checking their website multiple times daily for over a month now... and it always says the same thing: unavailable. 
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Posted: 12/27/2014 1:00:21 AM EDT
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$40 Tapco armorers wrench. Buy once, cry not. MP is crazy with their price for that.
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Posted: 12/27/2014 12:24:57 PM EDT
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How the fuck does someone break an ar wrench? Never mind that he claims to have broken several. What the fuck is he doing with them? A lot of them are cast garbage that break if you use them. Or drop them. |
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Posted: 12/27/2014 2:56:28 PM EDT
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I went over to a buddy's workshop this afternoon and used his vise, block, and DPMS wrench to torque the castle nut which was tightened against a Magpul ASAP end plate. The DPMS wrench worked just fine. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Been using the DPMS for years and see no reason to get anything else. Works like it should and if you break it, you're doing something wrong... I went over to a buddy's workshop this afternoon and used his vise, block, and DPMS wrench to torque the castle nut which was tightened against a Magpul ASAP end plate. The DPMS wrench worked just fine. I've used my DPMS wrench to put together several rifles and swap barrels/stocks/flash hiders on several others. It works fine and cost maybe $20 years ago. |
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Posted: 12/27/2014 8:52:48 PM EDT
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If your going to spend $80 on a tool, it better be this one. http://www.shotgunnews.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/12/files/cool-tools-geissele-reaction-rod/rod-2.jpg I would rather recommend Block Worx vice block. Its a two piece tool for light duty work on upper and heavy duty barrel installation work. Light duty 
Heavy duty 
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Posted: 12/27/2014 9:13:02 PM EDT
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I have two broken wrenches in my drawer, one that was said to be unbreakable.
The Magpul wrench has many more pins on it, it may actually remove an Armalite barrel nut without breaking.
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Posted: 12/29/2014 10:07:24 PM EDT
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PRI barrel nut wrench
+ Hammerhead = much building Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 12/30/2014 2:19:51 PM EDT
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I have a no name multi tool. Works just fine.
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I would rather recommend Block Worx vice block. Its a two piece tool for light duty work on upper and heavy duty barrel installation work. Light duty http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d64/seattledude/DSC_0361_1253.jpg~original Heavy duty http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d64/seattledude/DSC_0362_1254.jpg~original Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If your going to spend $80 on a tool, it better be this one. http://www.shotgunnews.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/12/files/cool-tools-geissele-reaction-rod/rod-2.jpg I would rather recommend Block Worx vice block. Its a two piece tool for light duty work on upper and heavy duty barrel installation work. Light duty http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d64/seattledude/DSC_0361_1253.jpg~original Heavy duty http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d64/seattledude/DSC_0362_1254.jpg~original This guy is the winner. The reaction rod is the wrong tool for installing a barrel, and that price?? 
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Posted: 12/30/2014 9:14:28 PM EDT
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Looks like it would work as advertised... I just find it hard to swallow paying that much for the privilege to advertise for magpul. The branding and 'logofication' of AR parts and accessories is becoming increasingly ridiculous by the second. I guess its a plus for those guys that like their rifles to look like a Nascar racing suit. No different than any other name brand product in the market today. |
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Posted: 12/31/2014 12:12:50 AM EDT
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Tapco makes a darn good armorer's wrench for a little over $40. Mine has survived a dozen or so upper builds/rebuilds with no issues so far. Nothing bent, broken, or tweaked. Not sure how Magpul could improve on that... Quote HistoryQuoted:
Tapco makes a darn good armorer's wrench for a little over $40. Mine has survived a dozen or so upper builds/rebuilds with no issues so far. Nothing bent, broken, or tweaked. Not sure how Magpul could improve on that... Quoted:
$40 Tapco armorers wrench. Buy once, cry not. MP is crazy with their price for that. This. My first build I broke/mangled teeth on the barrel nut because I didn't use enough or the right kind of grease and torqued it WAY past 30 ft-lbs trying to get the gas tube dead nuts straight, but the wrench was fine. I suppose it's possible that it's made from really cheap cast steel and if I drop it on my concrete floor it may shatter into a thousand pieces. If that ever happens, I'll report back. I also like it because it has ALL the wrench-type tools needed to work on an AR - barrel nuts, castle nuts, flash hiders, you name it. All the others seem to leave at least one out. |
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Posted: 12/31/2014 1:12:08 PM EDT
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I just bought the Magpul wrench from Midway for $66 (I think that included some sort of birthday discount). At $90 I would have said Hell No, but at this price, why not?
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Posted: 1/2/2015 2:59:50 AM EDT
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I just bought the Magpul wrench from Midway for $66 (I think that included some sort of birthday discount). At $90 I would have said Hell No, but at this price, why not? Great deal. Pics when it arrives |
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Posted: 1/2/2015 12:58:27 PM EDT
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In all my years of working on these rifles (20-30 complete builds, maybe 100 uppers over 15 years) I have not broken the DPMS wrench or the GI wrench. The two of them and set of bushmaster plastic vice blocks might have cost $50 all together. I've built about the same number using a GI wrench from Bushmaster. It was about 15 bucks 20+ years ago. The Magpul is nice but not $80 nice. Maybe $40. |
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Posted: 1/2/2015 1:43:13 PM EDT
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How the fuck does someone break an ar wrench? Never mind that he claims to have broken several. What the fuck is he doing with them? A lot of them are cast garbage that break if you use them. Or drop them. Try USGI |
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Posted: 1/3/2015 7:57:26 PM EDT
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Yup. GI wrench works for me. Think it was 8 bucks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In all my years of working on these rifles (20-30 complete builds, maybe 100 uppers over 15 years) I have not broken the DPMS wrench or the GI wrench. The two of them and set of bushmaster plastic vice blocks might have cost $50 all together. Yup. GI wrench works for me. Think it was 8 bucks. Yup again! I did buy the bev block though 
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Posted: 1/4/2015 1:30:15 AM EDT
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I just bought the Magpul wrench from Midway for $66 (I think that included some sort of birthday discount). At $90 I would have said Hell No, but at this price, why not? Great deal. Pics when it arrives Website said they were on the way. Email from Midway says backordered until July. :/ |
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