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Awesome post! Thanks for the info!
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Dude, you ROCK! Nice to see some 62-grain options. |
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Outstanding. Great info, especially on the Fusion, which may be readily available to many folks in sporting goods stores.
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What is your budget, and what do you want to do with the rifle? These are the questions you must answer before purchasing anything.
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Excellent report! Thank you for the time and energy!
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Great writeup and interesting results!
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Have you done any testing with the Nosler 60 gr ballistic tip boat tail?
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On the federal fusion, remington core-lokt, and speer gold dot loads, are any of those short enough that I could expect them to stabilize in my 1-12" twist .223?
I might try those for deer if they'd stabilize in the slow twist, because that would give me 10" extra barrel length (over a 5.56 carbine) and a boost in velocity. |
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Originally Posted By Freakinout:
Have you done any testing with the Nosler 60 gr ballistic tip boat tail? Only in hand-loads. |
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Originally Posted By arowneragain:
On the federal fusion, remington core-lokt, and speer gold dot loads, are any of those short enough that I could expect them to stabilize in my 1-12" twist .223? Most likely, no. For example, the 64 grain Gold Dot fired from a 1:12" barrel will have a gyroscopic stability factor of approximately 0.91. |
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Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By arowneragain:
On the federal fusion, remington core-lokt, and speer gold dot loads, are any of those short enough that I could expect them to stabilize in my 1-12" twist .223? Most likely, no. For example, the 64 grain Gold Dot fired from a 1:12" barrel will have a gyroscopic stability factor of approximately 0.91. Thanks. |
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...But his word was in mine heart as a burning fire shut up in my bones, and I was weary with forbearing, and I could not stay...All my familiars watched for my halting...But the LORD is with me as a mighty terrible one...
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Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By Freakinout:
Have you done any testing with the Nosler 60 gr ballistic tip boat tail? Only in hand-loads. That's what I'm interested in, as I've got a lot of stuff loaded with that round and am interested to know more. I already get amazing accuracy with them, so how well do they penetrate and whatnot? |
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love it... awesome post
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Molon: Is this post included in your "Collected Wisdom of Molon" post over in the AR discussions forum?
I'll add a link to it in the Ammo FAQ shortly. |
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Originally Posted By Zhukov:
Molon: Is this post included in your "Collected Wisdom of Molon" post over in the AR discussions forum? Affirmative. |
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Originally Posted By Molon: Originally Posted By Zhukov: Molon: Is this post included in your "Collected Wisdom of Molon" post over in the AR discussions forum? Affirmative. Ammo FAQ, entry #7. |
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Crimson Trace on a Spaniel. Looks deadly.
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Originally Posted By 11BDad:
Crimson Trace on a Spaniel. Looks deadly. |
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Weather's starting to warm up. Whatcha got lined up for this spring?
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...But his word was in mine heart as a burning fire shut up in my bones, and I was weary with forbearing, and I could not stay...All my familiars watched for my halting...But the LORD is with me as a mighty terrible one...
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Great info , you rock bro
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Excellent as usual. Thanks much!
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Great work as usual.
-Cody |
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Originally Posted By arowneragain:
Weather's starting to warm up. Whatcha got lined up for this spring? I thought maybe I'd work on my tan this year. |
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Great report. Nice rifle.
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great info !
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Originally Posted By arowneragain:
Weather's starting to warm up. Whatcha got lined up for this spring? I should have some data on the 5.56mm version of the 64 grain Gold Dots in the near future. |
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Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By Sinister:
Nice to see some 62-grain options. It’s too bad that there are no commercial manufacturers offering a factory load using the 62 grain Berger HP. It’s one of the most universally accurate bullets for AR-15s that I’ve tested. The groups pictured below were fired from my Krieger barreled AR-15s. http://www.box.net/shared/static/05oc49rswk.jpg http://www.box.net/shared/static/xqcmgl3xs4.jpg http://www.box.net/shared/static/nfyjy7mv16.jpg Awesome, Molon. You don't do .308, do you? I am glad I bought a few cases of the IMI M855, have had consistent accuracy in everything from a 10.5" LMT SBR to a 18" Krieger SPR. I've only had one lot of LC that seemed measureably better, and the Win M855 I have on hand, well it's plinking ammo now! |
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Originally Posted By edwin907:
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By Sinister:
Nice to see some 62-grain options. It’s too bad that there are no commercial manufacturers offering a factory load using the 62 grain Berger HP. It’s one of the most universally accurate bullets for AR-15s that I’ve tested. The groups pictured below were fired from my Krieger barreled AR-15s. http://www.box.net/shared/static/05oc49rswk.jpg http://www.box.net/shared/static/xqcmgl3xs4.jpg http://www.box.net/shared/static/nfyjy7mv16.jpg Awesome, Molon. You don't do .308, do you? Negative. However, the LT OBR has me rethinking that position. |
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All that is necessary for Trolls to flourish, is for good men to do nothing.
In God We Trust. Everyone else needs to post data. |
Can't wait you slways provide such good info. Thanks and keep it coming.
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Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By arowneragain:
Weather's starting to warm up. Whatcha got lined up for this spring? I should have some data on the 5.56mm version of the 64 grain Gold Dots in the near future. Awesome, I know a lot of us are looking forward to that. Now if I can only find it for sale some damn place. |
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Fiocchi 77 grain Exacta added to the first post of the thread.
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All that is necessary for Trolls to flourish, is for good men to do nothing.
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Molon very informative and I mean "very informative" reading. |
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Remington 62 grain HP Premier Match added to the first post.
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All that is necessary for Trolls to flourish, is for good men to do nothing.
In God We Trust. Everyone else needs to post data. |
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By edwin907:
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By Sinister:
Nice to see some 62-grain options. It’s too bad that there are no commercial manufacturers offering a factory load using the 62 grain Berger HP. It’s one of the most universally accurate bullets for AR-15s that I’ve tested. The groups pictured below were fired from my Krieger barreled AR-15s. http://www.box.net/shared/static/05oc49rswk.jpg http://www.box.net/shared/static/xqcmgl3xs4.jpg http://www.box.net/shared/static/nfyjy7mv16.jpg Awesome, Molon. You don't do .308, do you? Negative. However, the LT OBR has me rethinking that position. Do it... |
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Molon I was just looking into going a quick comparison of every M855 availible. It would have cost me way over $150 to buy 40rds of each. I can only imagine how much money you spend on each of these reviews, and for that I thank you.
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All that is necessary for Trolls to flourish, is for good men to do nothing.
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Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By arowneragain:
Weather's starting to warm up. Whatcha got lined up for this spring? I should have some data on the 5.56mm version of the 64 grain Gold Dots in the near future. Do you think the extra 5.56 mm pressure/FPS is even needed when using the Gold Dots or Bonded SP in 223rem It seems to me the 223rem pressure loads do pretty well? Maybe the extra FPS will cause less penetration? BTW AWESOME JOB |
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Originally Posted By FMJ:
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By arowneragain:
Weather's starting to warm up. Whatcha got lined up for this spring? I should have some data on the 5.56mm version of the 64 grain Gold Dots in the near future. Do you think the extra 5.56 mm pressure/FPS is even needed when using the Gold Dots or Bonded SP in 223rem It seems to me the 223rem pressure loads do pretty well? Yup. Dr Roberts has stated that the 64 grain Gold Dots "are still working darn well at 2100 fps..." The .223 version fired from a 20" in Colt barrel would reach 2100 fps at approximately 220 yards. |
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COR-BON 69 grain Performance Match HPBT added to the top of the thread.
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Prvi Partizan 69 grain Match added.
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All that is necessary for Trolls to flourish, is for good men to do nothing.
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American Tactical 5.56 x 45mm 62 grain added.
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All that is necessary for Trolls to flourish, is for good men to do nothing.
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53 grain Superformance added.
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All that is necessary for Trolls to flourish, is for good men to do nothing.
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Thanks a bunch these test are so important as while they may vary in gun to gun there is certainly going to be similar scales.
If I may add something to the Privi-Partisan 62 gr ammo without the steel core: I, having bought a Les Baer M4 with a 1/8 barrel, wanted to load so my elevation would equal factory using the 62gr non steel core bullet for blasting and the SS109 for other uses. The reason I mention this? My LBC with a 1X EOTech 512 shot the factory at about 4MOA but my reloads were under 3MOA Now, I do nothing close to special to justify better groups (And this is based on many sessions not just one group). I do not trim the cases and after insuring my load is 24gr TAC I do not check them only throw them one after another. I do use a small base sizer and a good seating die (Forster Bench rest) and I crimp but these loads are blasters. So, I am wondering WTH Privi is doing to get consistently bad spreads. NOTE: I am not trying to start a reloading subtopic only mention this because it seems blasting reloads should be less accurate than a factory load and therefore suggest the bullet is likely not the culprit for inferior groups being they are the only known common denominator! I have since got rid of the factory Privi and bought a case of IMI M855 as my back up for real ammo Wulfmann |
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Molon, is there any way you could perform a test with some brand new blue-box PRVI 75gr Match?
I'm curious to see if the many production changes this ammo has undergone over the past year or so have affected it, good or bad. Seems I get fairly different results batch to batch... |
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Originally Posted By Brahmzy:
Molon, is there any way you could perform a test with some brand new blue-box PRVI 75gr Match? I'm curious to see if the many production changes this ammo has undergone over the past year or so have affected it, good or bad. Seems I get fairly different results batch to batch... I'll try to pick some up for the spring session. |
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Fusion came today from midwayusa Lot #047T416
Brass FC 223REM 11 with blue sealant on crimp primmer The 62gr Bullet almost looks like a HP. compared to exposed lead tips on other bullets like the win 64PP shouldnt have any build up on feed ramps |
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