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GA, USA
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Posted: 1/12/2009 5:46:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: gigaphun]
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Well the MGI Arms multi caliber with the M3 grease gun magwell Lower has been release for some time now.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/12/2009 12:51:42 PM EDT
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does anyone have anything positive to say about this style setup from mgi, i am impressed, but would like to hear more about it
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GA, USA
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Posted: 1/12/2009 2:38:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: gigaphun]
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I really like the set up with the interchangeable mag wells and it fits solidly and the magazines fit like it should. No crazy expensive Frankenstein magazines to mess with. Most of the magazines are not expensive and readily available. Their customer service is something to be proud of, you won’t get an answering machine nor some idiot on the phone. I've seen their setup with the AK mag well set up with the model 1 sales 7.62X39 standard upper and became very impressed with them from what I saw. It ran flawlessly. So I expect the same with this with their grease gun mag well. As of right now the one and only thing that I didn't like was the price I paid over 500 for it.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/12/2009 5:27:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By edlmann:
Originally Posted By kaiheitai17:
ETA: Just measured the buffer spring, 12 1/2". I've got a rifle length spring in it! Guess I best go find a carbine length. Let me recommend the Wolff carbine spring. FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda. Regards, Ed Mann [email protected] Bobby Bowden is doing a fine job - just leave him alone. http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z111/edlmann/FlaGators2.png Well, I got my Wolff carbine spring in the other day and now I can lock my bolt back! Again thanks to all for the great advice and help. Now I got to get out to the range and check this baby out! 
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FL, USA
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Posted: 1/23/2009 6:50:07 AM EDT
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Having read through this thread it's aparent that with the standard AR-15 lower the only real option is to use with the OLY upper are the .45 UZI mags. I have OLY chambered in .45 that I bought years ago and has proven to be a great weapon. I wish when I purchased the weapon I had also bought additional mags.
My question is where can I get mags that will function with the standard lower? I checked the OLY website and it looks like they do not sell the mags alone. I also have the OLY in 9mm and have a bunch of sten mags so I'm good there. I read where the sten mags can be used for the .45, what is the easiest way to get them to function with the .45? magwell block? where can one get on of these that will work with the .45? Thanks |
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Posted: 1/23/2009 7:48:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TANGOCHASER]
[#6]
Sten mags work with .45 HPs. Get a KKF Sten magwell adapter, open up the feed lips on the Sten mags till the rounds feed ok, cut a couple of coils off of each mag spring and shoot all day long with an Oly upper and a regular AR lower. The Sten mags hold 15-17 rds of .45 HP.
Go to youtube and look up ".45 in a Sten". I taped me shooting .45 HP from a Sten mag to show it is doable. Ignore the part of me getting frustrated with my wife. I didn't know at the time, but the brass hit her in the head and made her jump. Oh, and I'm shooting at the ground because the neighbors house is just up the hill from my back stop. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 1/23/2009 8:08:42 AM EDT
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Thanks TANGOCHASER. Please pardon my ignorance....where can I get a KKF magwell adapter?
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Posted: 1/23/2009 10:45:25 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By AR1516:
Thanks TANGOCHASER. Please pardon my ignorance....where can I get a KKF magwell adapter? Kurts Kustom Firearms |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 1/23/2009 11:18:26 AM EDT
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Thank you for the link!
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ME, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2009 2:13:36 PM EDT
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I just aquired an Oly 45 upper and was wondering how much would it cost ( ballpark figure ) for an AR 45 lower from Thompson machine ? Would I need a new buffer / spring or is that only for the CavArms lowers ? Also , what would be a fair price for the original Oly converted 16rd Uzi mag that came with the conversion ? I appreciate any guidance you guys can give . Thanks.
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NY, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2009 4:10:08 PM EDT
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You're looking at over $400 for the AR45 lower (plus whatever your dealer charges to transfer the lower).
I'm buying a buffer and spring from Slash for about $125. I think you can get by running a regular buffer but with a lower that expensive I don't want to take a chance. Of course you'll need a LPK and I installed KNS pins (again, I don't want to take chances with a lower that expensive). I put a 16-round Uzi and a 30-rd M-3 mag on the EE and sold them both for $225 overnight and no haggling on the price. |
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Posted: 1/24/2009 4:14:28 PM EDT
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I'm kind of curious about market value of the Oly-converted Uzi mags, too. It's been a while since an Uzi 16 round .45 ACP mag sold for less than $100 on Gunbroker. And Oly charges $35 for the magwell block conversion. I don't have a feel for what converted ones might sell for.
As to the buffer, I have a BAZ45 that's been fine with a standard carbine buffer, but it hasn't had very heavy use. More rounds have been fired with the Uzi mags, also with standard buffers (with both rifle and carbine stocks), without any problems. Felt recoil is actually milder to me than 5.56. |
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Posted: 1/25/2009 9:11:21 AM EDT
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The Slash buffer is only necessary for use in a Cav Arms polymer lower. It is not necessary for use with a standard AR lower or an AR45 lower.
I have one in my prototype AR45 lower and it does noticeably slow down the cyclic rate. Should keep less carbon out of the port area by keeping the bolt in battery a little longer. Oly's pistol caliber uppers were designed to use a standard buffer and spring. The weight of the bolt carrier is calibrated to the spring rate of a standard carbine and rifle spring. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 1/25/2009 10:55:28 AM EDT
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TangoChaser,
I'll try my AR45 lower out as is if you don't think the Slash Buffer and spring is necessary. That'd save me some money for other firearms accessories. Anyone notice the Miami mayor asked for federal help for his assualt weapon problem? Bet that was set up and they just needed an excuse to start a new ban. He's said he'll use Presidential Decrees as much as he can for "change". John |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/28/2009 10:47:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BMGisbetter]
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this is the new way to go, finally someone sells a complete .45 ready to go.
MGI hybrid .45 carbine question is will they be able to keep up with demand. they also have a 460 rowland on thier site as well |
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Posted: 1/28/2009 3:29:05 PM EDT
[#16]
Originally Posted By BMGisbetter:
this is the new way to go, finally someone sells a complete .45 ready to go. MGI hybrid .45 carbine question is will they be able to keep up with demand. they also have a 460 rowland on thier site as well What's that forward assist for? 
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Posted: 1/28/2009 7:54:21 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By BMGisbetter:
this is the new way to go, finally someone sells a complete .45 ready to go. MGI hybrid .45 carbine question is will they be able to keep up with demand. they also have a 460 rowland on thier site as well It looks like they're using the Oly upper (distinctive flash hider), so availability will still be hooked to Oly's output. |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 1/30/2009 3:35:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Gloftoe]
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No For Sale posts anywhere except in the Equipment Exchange.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 2/2/2009 12:21:10 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By MMcfpd:
Originally Posted By BMGisbetter:
this is the new way to go, finally someone sells a complete .45 ready to go. MGI hybrid .45 carbine question is will they be able to keep up with demand. they also have a 460 rowland on thier site as well It looks like they're using the Oly upper (distinctive flash hider), so availability will still be hooked to Oly's output. no, i dont think they are using oly parts, because the ejector is mounted on the lower, not the upper I guess it is possible oly supplied the barrel |
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Posted: 2/2/2009 12:47:50 AM EDT
[#20]
Originally Posted By BMGisbetter:
Originally Posted By MMcfpd:
Originally Posted By BMGisbetter:
this is the new way to go, finally someone sells a complete .45 ready to go. MGI hybrid .45 carbine question is will they be able to keep up with demand. they also have a 460 rowland on thier site as well It looks like they're using the Oly upper (distinctive flash hider), so availability will still be hooked to Oly's output. no, i dont think they are using oly parts, because the ejector is mounted on the lower, not the upper I guess it is possible oly supplied the barrel If you look at the mgi 45 picture realy realy close you will see the Oly ejector pin in the upper. http://www.mgimilitary.com/store/index.php?main_page=popup_image&pID=49&zenid=191477372d3dfb2e03265bce78bd9af9 |
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Posted: 2/2/2009 12:51:51 AM EDT
[#21]
Originally Posted By Redtazdog:
If you look at the mgi 45 picture realy realy close you will see the Oly ejector pin in the upper. http://www.mgimilitary.com/store/index.php?main_page=popup_image&pID=49&zenid=191477372d3dfb2e03265bce78bd9af9 THANK YOU! I can now see the AR in the picture. When it pops up for me from the website that's selling it, I can see the pistol grip, and I can't scroll to see anything else. For some reason, I can see the entire thing w/scroll bars using your link above. Looks neat. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 2/2/2009 3:30:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Redtazdog:
Originally Posted By BMGisbetter:
Originally Posted By MMcfpd:
Originally Posted By BMGisbetter:
this is the new way to go, finally someone sells a complete .45 ready to go. MGI hybrid .45 carbine question is will they be able to keep up with demand. they also have a 460 rowland on thier site as well It looks like they're using the Oly upper (distinctive flash hider), so availability will still be hooked to Oly's output. no, i dont think they are using oly parts, because the ejector is mounted on the lower, not the upper I guess it is possible oly supplied the barrel If you look at the mgi 45 picture realy realy close you will see the Oly ejector pin in the upper. http://www.mgimilitary.com/store/index.php?main_page=popup_image&pID=49&zenid=191477372d3dfb2e03265bce78bd9af9 I dont know if that is an ejector , or not. The MGI ejector is mounted on the lower, I cant see it having 2 ejectors.none the less I dont think it is an Oly upper http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x42/jchreit/magwellsmgi.jpg http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x42/jchreit/mgi45lowerassywithgreacegunmagwell.jpg |
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Posted: 2/2/2009 10:40:34 PM EDT
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Between the ejector pin as pointed out by Redtazdog and the flash hider, I'm pretty well convinced that's an Oly upper on the gun in the picture on MGI's website. But I went ahead and emailed them asking if their offering uses an Oly upper. I'll let y'all know what they say.
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Posted: 2/2/2009 11:39:10 PM EDT
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Even if it isn't an Oly upper receiver, it sure is an Oly barrel. No one else has a weird flash suppressor like that (looks like an airsoft birdcage suppressor), do they?
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Posted: 2/3/2009 1:13:24 AM EDT
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They probably took an Oly upper and removed the ejector.
Oly builds their pistol cal uppers from .5.56 uppers with the useless FA (hence my sarcastic remark above). So you probably do see a hole for the ejector but it is no longer there. I doubt it's a "special" complete rifle. Just an Oly upper on the MGI lower. |
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Posted: 2/3/2009 1:58:48 PM EDT
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MGI's reply to my email:
Our .45 hybrids are using an Olympic style upper and bolt. I hope that this
helps answer your question. Cindy "Style" - Hmm... |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 2/3/2009 7:17:38 PM EDT
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maybe they made it just different enough that patent infringement would not be an issue
if i was a manufacturer, that is definitely what i would do |
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Posted: 2/5/2009 9:25:57 AM EDT
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That answer from MGI can not be correct. The bolt they sell is not an Oly type but a Colt/RRA 9mm style. It does not have a separate bolt and carrier as pictured on their website.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 2/8/2009 10:48:11 PM EDT
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is there any new news about oly coming out with a .45 mag
 i was told they were working on a polymer version to fit a standard ar frame
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Posted: 2/8/2009 11:39:08 PM EDT
[#30]
Originally Posted By BMGisbetter:
is there any new news about oly coming out with a .45 mag i was told they were working on a polymer version to fit a standard ar frameSome news here. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 2/8/2009 11:51:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BMGisbetter]
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has anyone seen pics or seen in person 2 grease gun mags welded and combined to form a 50 rnd mag? i read about this on th uzi talk forum |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 2/9/2009 1:53:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Runs-N-Guns_66]
[#32]
Originally Posted By BMGisbetter:
has anyone seen pics or seen in person 2 grease gun mags welded and combined to form a 50 rnd mag? i read about this on th uzi talk forum that would be loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong any new word on the ar45 lowers? are they still being produced. im still wanting to buy one, but it will be a little while before I can. |
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Posted: 2/9/2009 2:22:52 PM EDT
[#33]
Originally Posted By Runs-N-Guns_66:
any new word on the ar45 lowers? are they still being produced. im still wanting to buy one, but it will be a little while before I can. Still being produced. Justin found a new finisher. Reports are good, much better than the Khalan foolishness. Lots of AR45 info here CNC Forum |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 2/9/2009 7:36:25 PM EDT
[#34]
Originally Posted By BMGisbetter:
has anyone seen pics or seen in person 2 grease gun mags welded and combined to form a 50 rnd mag? This would be for use as a monopod from the standing position?  
I'm reminded of the Mauldin cartoon where one of the WWII GIs complains that he can't get low enough because, "...me buttons is in the way." FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda. Regards, Ed Mann Bobby Bowden is doing a fine job - just leave him alone. Albert says, "Click here for free Gator wallpaper." 
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LA, USA
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Posted: 2/9/2009 10:02:15 PM EDT
[#35]
Originally Posted By BMGisbetter:
has anyone seen pics or seen in person 2 grease gun mags welded and combined to form a 50 rnd mag? i read about this on th uzi talk forum His name is Bustoff. Pm or e-mail him on the Uzi forum. |
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Posted: 2/11/2009 10:07:34 AM EDT
[#36]
Fuck Khalan!
Damn, did I say that out loud again? |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 2/13/2009 1:45:53 AM EDT
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I think the key to the whole issue is acceptence by the market. If Ron gets his gas upper into production, SOMEONE MGI OR BAZOOKABROS is going to gain market acceptence for their GG lowers and BETA will make a GG compatible C mag and that will be the name of that tune.
I think the key to RON gaining acceptence of his gas upper is an adjustible gas block so the same upper can be used for ACP as well as SUPER. So many of the folks with OLY uppers are shooting SUPER in them already. When you have 29K PSI to work with with the SUPER and if you can get the enough of the right powder (SLOW BURNING) in that ACP case, you'll have a hell of a utility/truck/ranch rifle on your hands! No blowback built for the 19K PSI of the ACP is going to last long shootimg the hell out of 29K PSI SUPER out of it. Conversly, a relkiable blowback SUPER is not going to function flawlessly with 19K PSI ACP. But a gas upper with a simple adjustible block will give you the option to run cheap parctice handloads for training and practive, and the opportunity if you want to choke down the gas port stoke the mag with heavy bullet supers and go shoot hogs or even Whitetails at short ranges. I don't know if 29K PSI will do it, but I think the super with the right bullets has the potential to equal the .44 MAG in a light semi-auto carbine. If you need more than that you can always have one chambered for the ROWLAND and I know you can approch the original cavalry trapdoor carbine ballistics at 39K PSI. That gives you a solid 150 yard whitetail and HOGZILLA-KILLA. Personally I like the MGI lower because you can put together a single peice adaptable from Rimfire up to 7.62 NATO with you choice of magazines that are av available on the market. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 2/15/2009 10:16:13 PM EDT
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what ever happened to thompson mag conversions?? much shorter than grease gun stick mags, and easy to find also. id be interested if someone had some enterprising ideas what do you think TC? |
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Posted: 2/16/2009 8:37:08 AM EDT
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I have one AR45 lower that is set up for GG and Thompson mags. T mags require a thicker contact pad on the mag catch than the GG mag due to being thinner. Mag catch has to reach farther to contact mag catch slot.
I think the real draw back to Thompson mags is the bolt carrier and inside of the upper receiver need to be clearanced for the T mag feed lips. This adds to the overall cost and negates the cheap cost of the T mags. I am going to take an AR45 lower and cut the magwell for a dedicated Thompson gun. I already have the bolt carrier and upper receiver ready for the mods. The AR45 lower can be cut to work with the GG mags and T mags interchangeably but the minor mod to the mag catch is needed and the T mags need a mag catch slot cut in them. Ron Williams gas upper will solve all the BS ejector problems and use existing AR parts. |
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Posted: 2/16/2009 10:07:50 PM EDT
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I'm back in black.
and when I look in my ejection port, I want to see a big round! 
a CONFIDENCE inspiring round! 
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VA, USA
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Posted: 2/16/2009 11:55:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BMGisbetter]
[#41]
does anyone know where to find an oly .45 bolt and barrel yet, im tired of waiting for oly or its dealers. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 2/20/2009 7:39:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KurtsKustom]
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Mocking up Oly-type bolt heads with spring & plunger ejector in the bolt face. Carriers are M16:
THAT's what the forward assist engages!
I'm adding weight (tungstun) to the back of the carrier. I'm also prototyping my 45ACP rotary bolt gas gun with my Evo system. Kurt@KKF 
Home of the M9EvoM4 
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Posted: 2/20/2009 8:11:39 PM EDT
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Kurt,
You can't finish that soon enough. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 2/22/2009 5:41:49 PM EDT
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+1 for kurt. It is great to see someone taking the 45acp market seriously.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 2/22/2009 8:34:50 PM EDT
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do you have a better pic of the bolt?
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LA, USA
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Posted: 2/23/2009 12:29:55 AM EDT
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I think we are all very fortunate to have talented people like Kurt and Ron Williams who are exploring and developing the icredible versatility of the AR platform! I look forward to each new development!
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VA, USA
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Posted: 2/28/2009 2:40:30 PM EDT
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has anyone purchased a MGI upper or rifle yet?
id like to see pics of the parts etc , and how they did it |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 3/1/2009 4:29:21 AM EDT
[#48]
Originally Posted By BMGisbetter:
has anyone purchased a MGI upper or rifle yet? id like to see pics of the parts etc , and how they did it I'd like to see detailed pics as well, although I'm thinking I really want a gas upper with an adjustible port so I can shoot ACP & SUPER interchangably without having to swap out buffers and springs and all, I'm thinking either Ron or Kurt will soon be able to deliver what I really want. I hope one of them makes it before the ban crap starts again. I'm hoping that there will be a tsunami like occured for the amnesty crap a few years ago and we stop it. It is going to take a concentrated effort particularly with the U. S. Senators that will be our best chance to push hard on RED STATE Democrats to line up with the Republicans. I am from Louisiana and I have one Republican Vitter and one of the most Liberal Democrats Mary Landrieu. It is going to take every one and every single vote we can muster to stop it when it comes. Please be thinking on it and as soon as anything starts moving through Congress sound the alarm here and everywhere so we can have a chance of stopping it. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 3/15/2009 7:56:04 PM EDT
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any new MGI news...
this thread is straring to grow a lil stagnant |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 3/17/2009 6:47:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: gigaphun]
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As it seems right now many of us are waiting for parts to finish our AR45. you also have to admitt that there isn't many of us that are building this because of
a. our recession b. Availibilty of parts c. this is a special intrest group But I will be posting my new toy here as soon and Ron sends me one of his sweet DI 45acp Upper. the MGI Set up is some thing to look at once you get there heavy buffer and 2X spring. once Ron gets his production into high speed this market will have his name written all over it aong with MGI and CNCguns. 
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