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Originally Posted By crazytuco:
Anyone ever built/seen a .45 AR using a side-charging upper? I built a 45super using one so yes, It can be done. |
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Short of going with a dedicated 45 lower (ultimately the best option, but for me is a last resort, and due to my short attention span, I would probably give up on it rather than wait 6+ months for another SBR stamp), what is the best, most reliable mag/block combo?
I have RMW modified GG mags with attached blocks on the rear of the mags. Empty, they fit in the lower just fine. Once I get more than about 10 rounds in, the things bulge and don't even fit in the magwell. And I don't mean they're snug. You'd literally have to pound them in. I've been plagued with feeding issues too. I've modified the lips to give the rounds a slightly more nose-up position and an earlier release, which has helped greatly, but don't want to waste any more time on them since they won't work properly anyway. I haven't seen any other similar experiences, so I'm not sure what the deal is, but does someone make a sturdier GG mag that won't bulge once the "foreskin" (as I recall someone calling it) is removed? Or is there a better mag/block option for a standard ar-15 lower? |
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Originally Posted By alfh:
Short of going with a dedicated 45 lower (ultimately the best option, but for me is a last resort, and due to my short attention span, I would probably give up on it rather than wait 6+ months for another SBR stamp), what is the best, most reliable mag/block combo? I have RMW modified GG mags with attached blocks on the rear of the mags. Empty, they fit in the lower just fine. Once I get more than about 10 rounds in, the things bulge and don't even fit in the magwell. And I don't mean they're snug. You'd literally have to pound them in. I've been plagued with feeding issues too. I've modified the lips to give the rounds a slightly more nose-up position and an earlier release, which has helped greatly, but don't want to waste any more time on them since they won't work properly anyway. I haven't seen any other similar experiences, so I'm not sure what the deal is, but does someone make a sturdier GG mag that won't bulge once the "foreskin" (as I recall someone calling it) is removed? Or is there a better mag/block option for a standard ar-15 lower? I will fix or replace it. I only had one other give me issues & it was a minor adj to the feed lips. I test these in my tightest lower but i dont doubt a tighter lower exists. LMK |
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I will fix or replace it. I only had one other give me issues & it was a minor adj to the feed lips. I test these in my tightest lower but i dont doubt a tighter lower exists. LMK
Thanks. I don't expect you to fix or replace them after I've monkeyed with them, and the intent of the post wasn't to pressure you into doing so. (PM sent to keep the thread from going too far off track) So who makes the best/sturdiest GG mags? Are the NOS GI mags better than anyone's current production? |
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Does anyone make a magblock conversion for a standard AR lower (non-Cavarms) which allows you to use unmodded uzi or GG mags with a stock Oly .45 upper? I've seen the magblock conversions earlier in this thread, but assuming that they only work for the DI uppers...
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Bazooka Bros does I believe.
http://bazookabrothers.com/products1.htm |
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Isn't that an entirely new lower receiver? Was looking for a magblock conversion for a standard RRA lower that I've got....Thx
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Anyone have a phone number? I used their contact form a long time ago and a week ago more recently... no one ever got back to me. I'm ready to place an order for a barrel (10.5"), bcg, mag block, and mag if they will sell them. Planning to get it converted and drop it in my LMT MRP upper. Anything proprietary about the complete uppers? Widened ejection port? |
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"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." Gandhi, An Autobiography, p. 446 (Beacon Press paperback edition)
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Originally Posted By IULaw:
Does anyone make a magblock conversion for a standard AR lower (non-Cavarms) which allows you to use unmodded uzi or GG mags with a stock Oly .45 upper? I've seen the magblock conversions earlier in this thread, but assuming that they only work for the DI uppers... Assuming that you're asking about unmodded GG mags, the answer is no. Take a GG mag and hold it next to your standard AR magwell and you'll see why it's necessary to remove the sheet metal wrap that's around the top of the mag. The GG mag is just too wide for the AR magwell. There are magwell blocks that allow the use of Uzi mags, but then you run into the problem of finding Uzi magazines in .45. I feel your pain. I have an Oly upper and it just seems like there's no "perfect" way to get good reliable magazines with a reasonable capacity. Unless I'm mistaken, which is often the case, RMW was making GG magazines with a magblock welded onto the rear of the magazine. I would think that those would work since they looked like the ones that Dalphon was making years ago, but I have no proof. |
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ProMag is now making .45 ACP Uzi mags. From what I've read, the 10 round mags are generally okay but the 20 round mags are still in "Beta" phase.
I have no affiliation with ProMag. Not legal advice, MHO, YMMV, etc. |
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Originally Posted By crazytuco:
Originally Posted By IULaw:
Does anyone make a magblock conversion for a standard AR lower (non-Cavarms) which allows you to use unmodded uzi or GG mags with a stock Oly .45 upper? I've seen the magblock conversions earlier in this thread, but assuming that they only work for the DI uppers... Assuming that you're asking about unmodded GG mags, the answer is no. Take a GG mag and hold it next to your standard AR magwell and you'll see why it's necessary to remove the sheet metal wrap that's around the top of the mag. The GG mag is just too wide for the AR magwell. There are magwell blocks that allow the use of Uzi mags, but then you run into the problem of finding Uzi magazines in .45. I feel your pain. I have an Oly upper and it just seems like there's no "perfect" way to get good reliable magazines with a reasonable capacity. Unless I'm mistaken, which is often the case, RMW was making GG magazines with a magblock welded onto the rear of the magazine. I would think that those would work since they looked like the ones that Dalphon was making years ago, but I have no proof. Copy all - thanks. Any idea where one can get one of these magwell blocks you mention that allow the use of Uzi mags on a stock AR lower? I'm willing to give it a go with the Promag Uzi mags and see what happens....Promag Uzi 20 rd |
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Originally Posted By IULaw:
Originally Posted By crazytuco:
Originally Posted By IULaw:
Does anyone make a magblock conversion for a standard AR lower (non-Cavarms) which allows you to use unmodded uzi or GG mags with a stock Oly .45 upper? I've seen the magblock conversions earlier in this thread, but assuming that they only work for the DI uppers... Assuming that you're asking about unmodded GG mags, the answer is no. Take a GG mag and hold it next to your standard AR magwell and you'll see why it's necessary to remove the sheet metal wrap that's around the top of the mag. The GG mag is just too wide for the AR magwell. There are magwell blocks that allow the use of Uzi mags, but then you run into the problem of finding Uzi magazines in .45. I feel your pain. I have an Oly upper and it just seems like there's no "perfect" way to get good reliable magazines with a reasonable capacity. Unless I'm mistaken, which is often the case, RMW was making GG magazines with a magblock welded onto the rear of the magazine. I would think that those would work since they looked like the ones that Dalphon was making years ago, but I have no proof. Copy all - thanks. Any idea where one can get one of these magwell blocks you mention that allow the use of Uzi mags on a stock AR lower? I'm willing to give it a go with the Promag Uzi mags and see what happens....Promag Uzi 20 rd Are there differences between the 9mm and .45 Uzi magazines? I didn't even think of that. Anyway, here's one I came up with from just a quick search on Brownells. |
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Originally Posted By jasonusvi:
Anyone have a phone number? I used their contact form a long time ago and a week ago more recently... no one ever got back to me. I'm ready to place an order for a barrel (10.5"), bcg, mag block, and mag if they will sell them. Planning to get it converted and drop it in my LMT MRP upper. Anything proprietary about the complete uppers? Widened ejection port? |
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Originally Posted By SecondAmend:
ProMag is now making .45 ACP Uzi mags. From what I've read, the 10 round mags are generally okay but the 20 round mags are still in "Beta" phase. I have no affiliation with ProMag. Not legal advice, MHO, YMMV, etc. The 10rnd mags are finicky on OAL of the round. |
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Originally Posted By IULaw:
Isn't that an entirely new lower receiver? Was looking for a magblock conversion for a standard RRA lower that I've got....Thx May be best to go with my block & converted GG mags. I understand your issues with the block on the back but I have made them work. My concern is the tweeking you did. May have soften the metal some? Block on the back With my other set up it puts the mag in the middle with more room to spare. Midwell setup |
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Originally Posted By ronaldmwilliams:
Originally Posted By IULaw:
Isn't that an entirely new lower receiver? Was looking for a magblock conversion for a standard RRA lower that I've got....Thx May be best to go with my block & converted GG mags. I understand your issues with the block on the back but I have made them work. My concern is the tweeking you did. May have soften the metal some? Block on the back With my other set up it puts the mag in the middle with more room to spare. Midwell setup No alterations made yet to my lower. Any idea if any of the 9mm magblocks work for .45 UZI mags as well? |
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Originally Posted By jasonusvi:
Anyone have a phone number? I used their contact form a long time ago and a week ago more recently... no one ever got back to me. I'm ready to place an order for a barrel (10.5"), bcg, mag block, and mag if they will sell them. Planning to get it converted and drop it in my LMT MRP upper. Anything proprietary about the complete uppers? Widened ejection port? Would like to spend some money... any suggestions? Have not heard from them and have no phone number... |
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"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." Gandhi, An Autobiography, p. 446 (Beacon Press paperback edition)
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Originally Posted By jasonusvi:
Originally Posted By jasonusvi:
Anyone have a phone number? I used their contact form a long time ago and a week ago more recently... no one ever got back to me. I'm ready to place an order for a barrel (10.5"), bcg, mag block, and mag if they will sell them. Planning to get it converted and drop it in my LMT MRP upper. Anything proprietary about the complete uppers? Widened ejection port? Would like to spend some money... any suggestions? Have not heard from them and have no phone number... If I am correct in thinking the upper you intend to use is a piston........go ahead and forget that idea......45ACP uppers do have an opened ejection port.....and a VERY short gas system that isn't compatable with with a piston system. Pretty much have to forget any preconcieved ideas you have about AR's when you go to DI pistol caliber. If you want an effective system....you'll need an uper purpose built as a pistol caliber DI upper.....and has them in stock ready to ship. If you are looking for a dedicated lower for M3 mags.......then email Justin at CNC guns......makes a phenominal lower that uses unmodified magazines. |
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I have been mostly through this thread.
So I can buy a 45 upper, but not Olympics, Ron's and some others, and use Ron's modified mags in my AR15 lower? Correct? I too am looking to buy. |
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Originally Posted By YellowIH:
I have been mostly through this thread. So I can buy a 45 upper, but not Olympics, Ron's and some others, and use Ron's modified mags in my AR15 lower? Correct? I too am looking to buy. Absolutely. |
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Originally Posted By jasonusvi:
Originally Posted By Mad-Machinist:
Originally Posted By jasonusvi:
Originally Posted By jasonusvi:
Anyone have a phone number? I used their contact form a long time ago and a week ago more recently... no one ever got back to me. I'm ready to place an order for a barrel (10.5"), bcg, mag block, and mag if they will sell them. Planning to get it converted and drop it in my LMT MRP upper. Anything proprietary about the complete uppers? Widened ejection port? Would like to spend some money... any suggestions? Have not heard from them and have no phone number... If I am correct in thinking the upper you intend to use is a piston........go ahead and forget that idea......45ACP uppers do have an opened ejection port.....and a VERY short gas system that isn't compatable with with a piston system. Pretty much have to forget any preconcieved ideas you have about AR's when you go to DI pistol caliber. If you want an effective system....you'll need an uper purpose built as a pistol caliber DI upper.....and has them in stock ready to ship. If you are looking for a dedicated lower for M3 mags.......then email Justin at CNC guns......makes a phenominal lower that uses unmodified magazines. Thanks for the clarification... I may go dedicated as I'm not sure I want to open the ejection port on my upper. Otherwise however, the LMT MRP upper will run both piston and DI barrels... I have 1 piston, 1 DI switchblock, and 6 other plain DI barrels (in various calibers) at the moment. Still curious if it would be possible to get a barrel and convert it if I were willing to open the ejection port. Notice the DI 10.5" Noveske 300FB pistol gas through mid gas DI and piston below. Still need to know how to get a hold of Bazooka Bros if I decide to place an order. http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx166/jasonusvi/New6568.jpg http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx166/jasonusvi/mrp9barrels.jpg I agree that I would not want to open the port on yout LMT. |
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Bazooka Brothers phone number is 765-434-7709
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Ron,
If you chamber one of your DI uppers for 460 Rowland can you still shoot 45acp accurately? Can you manage the pressure difference with a carbine buffer for 45acp up to a 9mm buffer for 460? Thanks |
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"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." Gandhi, An Autobiography, p. 446 (Beacon Press paperback edition)
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.45 and .460 both headspace on the case shoulder.......not gonna happen......
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Originally Posted By Mad-Machinist:
.45 and .460 both headspace on the case shoulder.......not gonna happen...... Was reading about .460 pistol conversions and its the same OAL with a bit longer case so a 45acp pistol cant chamber a .460 Rowland. But, what I was reading said you can fire 45acp out of the .460 chamber but that will loose accuracy and likely wont cycle given stronger springs. I imagined the same would be true in this case with issue being gas / pressure management but perhaps same accuracy loss. Off to the range... |
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"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." Gandhi, An Autobiography, p. 446 (Beacon Press paperback edition)
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not something you should do.....the firing pin could push it deeper in the chamber not discharging the round or causing a hangfire......bottom line you should never shoot something in a weapon that it is not chambered for ........except in the instance of something like a .38/.357.......it headspaces on the case rim.......not a good idea with an auto loading round that headspaces on the shoulder.
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Originally Posted By Mad-Machinist:
not something you should do.....the firing pin could push it deeper in the chamber not discharging the round or causing a hangfire......bottom line you should never shoot something in a weapon that it is not chambered for ........except in the instance of something like a .38/.357.......it headspaces on the case rim.......not a good idea with an auto loading round that headspaces on the shoulder. Makes sense. Thanks |
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"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." Gandhi, An Autobiography, p. 446 (Beacon Press paperback edition)
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Bump to untack/toggle archive status.
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Waiting on my DI45 upper from Ron
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Originally Posted By YellowIH:
Waiting on my DI45 upper from Ron Arrived on Saturday. Looks good. I test fired a little with the YHM M2 Cobra, but I need to take it to the range. http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL766/13389586/24017305/401276611.jpg http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL766/13389586/24017305/401276614.jpg With a Wraith XL and QD http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL766/13389586/24017305/401288376.jpg http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL766/13389586/24017305/401288360.jpg |
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to those of you interested, there may be a limited run of magblocks that allow the use of 1911 mags in an ar, it is all located in the following thread.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_15/563492_magblock_for_1911_mags_in_an_AR.html please comment on the thread so he will know if there is enough interest to make it worthwhile! any assistance would be greatly appreciated! |
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Ron or Mad Machinist have either of you any experience making a .45 DI upper with an adjustible gas block for the purpose of a .45 SUPER that would also cycle with std acp? Is there a need for the adj block? I'm just tjinking of the SUPER for hunting and varmint use and the acp for practice/plinking with complete reliability.
Any thoughts either of you have would be apreciated! |
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Originally Posted By YellowIH:
Originally Posted By YellowIH:
Waiting on my DI45 upper from Ron Arrived on Saturday. Looks good. I test fired a little with the YHM M2 Cobra, but I need to take it to the range. http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL766/13389586/24017305/401276611.jpg http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL766/13389586/24017305/401276614.jpg With a Wraith XL and QD http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL766/13389586/24017305/401288376.jpg http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL766/13389586/24017305/401288360.jpg Nice. I am waiting for a 7.5" with the same mid length rail to get my pistol can under. Is that a 45cal mount / suppressor in your pics or 30 that you just tried out for photos? |
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Originally Posted By 1950Target:
Ron or Mad Machinist have either of you any experience making a .45 DI upper with an adjustible gas block for the purpose of a .45 SUPER that would also cycle with std acp? Is there a need for the adj block? I'm just tjinking of the SUPER for hunting and varmint use and the acp for practice/plinking with complete reliability. Any thoughts either of you have would be apreciated! I would have to turn my gas block into an adj but it could be done. Only issue I have is time. Cant take on any protyping work with my schedule right now. |
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Originally Posted By ronaldmwilliams:
I would have to turn my gas block into an adj but it could be done. Only issue I have is time. Cant take on any protyping work with my schedule right now. Way to go Ron. You already have so much on your plate it Boggles My Mind... Dave |
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Originally Posted By jasonusvi:
Originally Posted By YellowIH:
Originally Posted By YellowIH:
Waiting on my DI45 upper from Ron Arrived on Saturday. Looks good. I test fired a little with the YHM M2 Cobra, but I need to take it to the range. http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL766/13389586/24017305/401276611.jpg http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL766/13389586/24017305/401276614.jpg With a Wraith XL and QD http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL766/13389586/24017305/401288376.jpg http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL766/13389586/24017305/401288360.jpg Nice. I am waiting for a 7.5" with the same mid length rail to get my pistol can under. Is that a 45cal mount / suppressor in your pics or 30 that you just tried out for photos? Top can pic is with a YHM M2 Cobra pistol can Bottom pics I'm trying on a YHM WRAITH XL with QD. I ordered a WRAITH XL just for this.... |
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Originally Posted By ronaldmwilliams:
Originally Posted By 1950Target:
Ron or Mad Machinist have either of you any experience making a .45 DI upper with an adjustible gas block for the purpose of a .45 SUPER that would also cycle with std acp? Is there a need for the adj block? I'm just tjinking of the SUPER for hunting and varmint use and the acp for practice/plinking with complete reliability. Any thoughts either of you have would be apreciated! I would have to turn my gas block into an adj but it could be done. Only issue I have is time. Cant take on any protyping work with my schedule right now. Ron, Could you run .45 Super in a DI .45 upper with a heavy spring and buffer to compensate for being overgassed? |
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Originally Posted By only1asterisk:
Originally Posted By ronaldmwilliams:
Originally Posted By 1950Target:
Ron or Mad Machinist have either of you any experience making a .45 DI upper with an adjustible gas block for the purpose of a .45 SUPER that would also cycle with std acp? Is there a need for the adj block? I'm just tjinking of the SUPER for hunting and varmint use and the acp for practice/plinking with complete reliability. Any thoughts either of you have would be apreciated! I would have to turn my gas block into an adj but it could be done. Only issue I have is time. Cant take on any protyping work with my schedule right now. Ron, Could you run .45 Super in a DI .45 upper with a heavy spring and buffer to compensate for being overgassed? Its posible but I think it would still be opening much too early. If I remember corectly someone told me they tried it & the case were still traveling over 15feet upon ejection. Also would cause some serious recoil with all that mass. |
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I sent my Oly .45 A-2 upper to SSK Industries to have the carry handle cut and a rail put on the upper receiver so I can mount an Eotech.
I had some time today to take it out and sight in the Eotech- I forgot how much fun that gun is to shoot! I only had time to sight it in but it ran great with a WW-II greasegun mag and a mixture of ammo. It has a CNC lower with an ACE fixed stock. I have a Slash buffer ordered that I hope to try out when I get back next week. Everyone ought to have one! |
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I had the older A1 upper in 45 ACP . I purchased another upper receiver from OLY in flat top configuration. It already had the ejector pin/spring installed.
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Bump for the DI45 Ron built me. Very happy with it!
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ordered my DI45 from Ron too. Can't wait to get it and put huge holes in targets.
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Thanks for all the suport
I am up to my elbows with builds & some parts are getting hard to find but I will get everyone done in a timely manner. |
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What options exist as far as shooting 45acp through a stock unmodified lower (I have an M16A2 lower) i.e. magazines / magwell blocks ect, and also top ends, ie Ron's DI, Olympic Arms pattern, Colt pattern or?
also are the DI uppers more suitable for suppression, compared to blowback, as my 9mm colt system as considerable ejection port noise, no matter how heavy a buffer I use. |
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Originally Posted By limeytwo:
What options exist as far as shooting 45acp through a stock unmodified lower (I have an M16A2 lower) i.e. magazines / magwell blocks ect, and also top ends, ie Ron's DI, Olympic Arms pattern, Colt pattern or? also are the DI uppers more suitable for suppression, compared to blowback, as my 9mm colt system as considerable ejection port noise, no matter how heavy a buffer I use. I have mag blocks that use converted GG mags for std lowers. In full auto the DI45 is alot smoother than the BB version. In 45acp I did not see a big diference in supressing DI over BB. Supressed DI/BB 45acp |
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