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Posted: 8/8/2016 9:50:47 AM EDT
Hey guys,

I've got an Adams Arms AA15 rifle that I love, and recently my S/O purchased one that, for some reason, will absolutely not tolerate Wolf Gold.

Stuck cases out the wazoo.   so stuck they either need mortared out battery, or knocked out with a 3/16" steel rod from the muzzle.

It went back to the factory once for this, and it was determined that the "barrel was out of spec." so they replaced it.  Great.

It came back, and still will not eject/extract Wolf Gold.  The first time (and last) at the range after getting it back, the 3rd round of Wolf Gold was so stuck that the extractor ripped the rim of the case off.  That was the end of that range trip since we didn't have anything with us to knock it out with.
After getting home, hand cycling the rifle with several different lots/batches of Wolf Gold produced numerous stuck cases.   Tested the same ammunition with my AA rifle, and had no issues with feeding, chambering, extracting or ejecting.

In the rifles defense, it did digest 20 rounds of Independence 5.56 and about 10 rounds of PPU prior to the attempt with Wolf Gold.
But since we're sitting on a stack of Wolf Gold, it would be nice if her rifle ate it too.  Again, my AA rifle has been great, and I haven't read of any issues with Wolf Gold - unless I've missed something.  I even emailed Sam Gabbert at SGAmmo asking if he had ever heard of people getting stuck cases with Wolf Gold, and he told me that after selling 9k cases, he's never had complaints.

She's been in contact with AA customer service, and I'm sure they'll make it right, but has anyone else experienced any issues with Wolf Gold in their AA rifle?





Link Posted: 8/8/2016 10:06:15 PM EDT
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Very odd, both of mine have no issue with wolf gold or any other ammo we've purchased. Good luck.
Link Posted: 8/9/2016 3:51:55 PM EDT
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Very odd, both of mine have no issue with wolf gold or any other ammo we've purchased. Good luck.
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Yeah, for the life of me I can't figure out what the heck is going on.
Mine's eatien everything over the past 2 years, and both of our rifles have Voodoo 1/7" carbine barrels.

We'll see what happens, but right now I guess it's going back again with some ammo for evaluation.
Custom Service has been responsive thus far, so I'm sure they'll get it worked out, whatever the issue may be.
Link Posted: 8/9/2016 7:49:09 PM EDT
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FWIW, Adam Arms are known to be finicky and not always function well with brands like Wolf / Tula / Bear.

I know others will say, "Well mine shoots just fine with no FTFs - FTEs" but search this forum (or Google) and you'll see more than a few correlated hits with "Adams" "Wolf" "Problems"

My advice, if you get a AA that won't cycle Wolf reliably - don't use it. Send it to AA for re-inspection if you want, but even after its return, I still wouldn't feed my AA Wolf.
Link Posted: 8/9/2016 8:11:11 PM EDT
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FWIW, Adam Arms are known to be finicky and not always function well with brands like Wolf / Tula / Bear.

I know others will say, "Well mine shoots just fine with no FTFs - FTEs" but search this forum (or Google) and you'll see more than a few correlated hits with "Adams" "Wolf" "Problems"

My advice, if you get a AA that won't cycle Wolf reliably - don't use it. Send it to AA for re-inspection if you want, but even after its return, I still wouldn't feed my AA Wolf.
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Read the OP - WOLF GOLD
Link Posted: 8/9/2016 8:11:14 PM EDT
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FWIW, Adam Arms are known to be finicky and not always function well with brands like Wolf / Tula / Bear.

I know others will say, "Well mine shoots just fine with no FTFs - FTEs" but search this forum (or Google) and you'll see more than a few correlated hits with "Adams" "Wolf" "Problems"

My advice, if you get a AA that won't cycle Wolf reliably - don't use it. Send it to AA for re-inspection if you want, but even after its return, I still wouldn't feed my AA Wolf.
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Wolf Gold is either PPU, or made in Taiwan. It is not the steel cased ammo many people think of when the word Wolf comes to mind.
Link Posted: 8/10/2016 4:07:51 PM EDT
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Read the OP - WOLF GOLD
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FWIW, Adam Arms are known to be finicky and not always function well with brands like Wolf / Tula / Bear.

I know others will say, "Well mine shoots just fine with no FTFs - FTEs" but search this forum (or Google) and you'll see more than a few correlated hits with "Adams" "Wolf" "Problems"

My advice, if you get a AA that won't cycle Wolf reliably - don't use it. Send it to AA for re-inspection if you want, but even after its return, I still wouldn't feed my AA Wolf.


Read the OP - WOLF GOLD


^^^^^^^^^^^
This, right here.
And for what it's worth, in researching this problem, I did actually do my best digging to try to find a post, anything, having to do with Wolf Gold problems.
Using google, and yahoo, as well as "site:ar15.com" on Google to try to find something in regards to Wolf Gold.
Yes, I did find posts in regard to issues with Wolf STEEL-cased.   But none with Wolf Gold.
Link Posted: 8/11/2016 3:54:09 AM EDT
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Yes, I did find posts in regard to issues with Wolf STEEL-cased.   But none with Wolf Gold.
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Yes, I did find posts in regard to issues with Wolf STEEL-cased.   But none with Wolf Gold.


My oversight. I didn't notice it was Wolf Gold, and not Wolf.
Link Posted: 8/11/2016 10:30:39 PM EDT
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I have never shot any wolf gold but I have shot a lot of that PPU stuff which is similar. What I would do is try running a few 100 rounds of M193 ( independent, federal ,etc) and then try the gold. I had a AR barrel that need a little of the good stuff before I could shoot PPU or wolf (the steel cased stuff). It was a cheaper barrel and left strange marks all over the brass, until about 50-60 rounds. After that they disappeared.

Have shot your wolf gold in other ARs without problems?From the things you are describing it might be another barrel spec issue if that's the case.
Link Posted: 8/20/2016 12:41:20 PM EDT
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I have an AA-15 as well and only buy Wolf Gold for range plinking.

My AA eats up the Wolf Gold with no issue usually. The only FTE I've ever had with my AA was with Wolf Gold though and the casing got stuck in battery like yours. Luckily I had a cleaning rod to ram it out with and then kept shooting. Been back several times with only Wolf Gold and no further issues. And I've bought the ammo in different batches of 500 to 1000 at a time.

Your rifle should definitely eat this ammo.
Link Posted: 10/12/2016 8:20:51 AM EDT
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Most likely a chamber issue.
Link Posted: 10/12/2016 9:41:24 AM EDT
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Sounds like it's going to have to go back to AA again.  If the extractor ripped the rim off, then it's just the case getting stuck in the chamber.  Maybe they had a bad run of barrels.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 1:00:51 PM EDT
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First off, I'd love to say that I use Wolf gold strictly for a while now. I have been using it for close to 4k or 5k rounds so far. I've had zero malfunctions, zero FTF, zero FTE, and the brass looks dirty, but undamaged upon inspecting the cases after firing [I use the cases to reload afterwards]. The wolf gold do chrono pretty fast, at about 3,250fps from a 20" barrel with 1x8 twist. I remember when I use to run steel cased ammo in a separate build that I had the same problems with extracting and stuck cases. I found out that I needed to squirt some lube into the chamber and run a clean swab down the barrel and I never had the issue again. I used frog lube and my rifle was already heated from firing when I got the multiple stuck cases, but the lube resolved the issue for me.
Link Posted: 10/31/2016 12:54:26 PM EDT
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I have two AA rifles. Once is a 11.5" SBR and the other is a 16". I run a lot of WOLF GOLD 223 in both rifles. I have thousands of rounds through them combined and I have NEVER had a hiccup of ANY kind. Both have been 100% flawless suppressed and unsuppressed. Including about 1000 rounds of Wolf Gold. Which is NOT typical Wolf Steel cased crap. It is made in Taiwan, is loaded almost to 5.56 levels, and is VERY accurate for inexpensive plinking ammo. It might be the BEST plinking ammo period!

Also


Adams Arms Basic Carbine I got for under $600 from BUDS and did some work on (FDE Eotech not pictured, but on there now):





Adams Arms 11.5" Complete Upper I built into an SBR (Black Eotech not pictured, but on there now):

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