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Posted: 6/15/2016 10:38:56 AM EDT

See these are starting to hit gunbroker. One is for $2100. Wow.

Is it just me, or does anyone else think these are ugly ! I hate the huge holes in the handgaurd. Almost looks as bad as Sigs Dmr. And I'm a big fan of Pws. They have told me they are discontinuing the mod 1 line. I think it's a big mistake, plus the cost rise.

Posted: 6/15/2016 2:31:48 PM EDT

[#1]

I like the look of the new upper receiver, but I'm not a fan of losing the forward assist. As for the picmod rail, I get the concept but I'm not a fan of the aesthetics either. I'm glad I picked up a Mk112 before they all disappear.

Posted: 6/16/2016 9:40:15 AM EDT

[#2]

Hmmm....I heard the Mod 1 was going still be available as a more budget friendly option, i.e., replace the Modern Musket DI line.

Posted: 6/16/2016 4:36:52 PM EDT

[#3]

No I emailed them, they are done making the Mod 1, except the mk216 stays the same for now.

Posted: 6/16/2016 8:35:15 PM EDT

[#4]

Being on my fourth PWS, and having used them on the job and in competition.... I have to say I'm disappointed with the Mod2.

Less gas adjustment settings and no FA is a big step backwards.

Posted: 6/16/2016 9:22:36 PM EDT

[#5]

I agree. I think they should have kept the mod 1. Add a Mlock or more handgaurd options and some different colors.

Posted: 6/17/2016 12:46:38 AM EDT

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Being on my fourth PWS, and having used them on the job and in competition.... I have to say I'm disappointed with the Mod2.

Less gas adjustment settings and no FA is a big step backwards.

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45-Seventy- So, I felt the same when the Mod 2 was first released. At the same time, PWS has always been on the front end of the curve...the best examples being their piston system, buffer tube, and muzzle devices. Every PWS rifle I own (Mk 110 sbr, 114, 216, 220 Creedmoor, 109 upper) has exceeded my expectations...with the Mk 220 Creedmoor having unicorn status. Moving forward, I am operating under the assumption that the Mod 2 is worthy of the PWS name. Has anyone on the forum handled one yet?

Posted: 6/17/2016 7:40:59 AM EDT

[#7]

Well, mk1 are going for $1500. The new mod2 will be going for $2000. Where exactly is the $500 improvement ???

Increasing prices right now is not smart. A local gun dealer told me he just sold 70 Dpms rifles at $550. He said the DD and Pws are sitting on the shelves. They are out pricing themselves

Posted: 6/17/2016 11:35:13 AM EDT

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45-Seventy- So, I felt the same when the Mod 2 was first released. At the same time, PWS has always been on the front end of the curve...the best examples being their piston system, buffer tube, and muzzle devices. Every PWS rifle I own (Mk 110 sbr, 114, 216, 220 Creedmoor, 109 upper) has exceeded my expectations...with the Mk 220 Creedmoor having unicorn status. Moving forward, I am operating under the assumption that the Mod 2 is worthy of the PWS name. Has anyone on the forum handled one yet?

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Being on my fourth PWS, and having used them on the job and in competition.... I have to say I'm disappointed with the Mod2.

Less gas adjustment settings and no FA is a big step backwards.

45-Seventy- So, I felt the same when the Mod 2 was first released. At the same time, PWS has always been on the front end of the curve...the best examples being their piston system, buffer tube, and muzzle devices. Every PWS rifle I own (Mk 110 sbr, 114, 216, 220 Creedmoor, 109 upper) has exceeded my expectations...with the Mk 220 Creedmoor having unicorn status. Moving forward, I am operating under the assumption that the Mod 2 is worthy of the PWS name. Has anyone on the forum handled one yet?

I'm not saying that it's going to be a *bad* firearm.... But I'm saying that I'd like to see more gas settings, not less, and based upon my experience I want to see a forward assist.

I have consistently been impressed with the accuracy, reliability, simplicity and overall quality of their firearms over the years.... I'm just not crazy about this change.

Posted: 6/17/2016 11:46:21 AM EDT

[#9]

How could they drop the forward assist? I mean every other semi-auto rifle has a forward assist so it makes no sense for any to not have one.

Oh wait, ugh, wait. ugh,

I have 400K close to 500K rounds out of ARs and not once have I ever successfully used the FA.

I am not saying it can never be used to help a round in I am just saying there is a reason pretty much no other firearm uses one

I may agree on gas settings but FA is a who cares certainly not me issue and glad it will be going

Personally I like the dual ambi QD on the Mod1 as centered on the Mod2 (and on other ARs I have) it does not fall right across my chest

I like lighter but weight seems to have become a competition not based on actual requirements.

Still, like any change products appeal to some not so much others and we have a nice selection. I would have liked the Mod1 to stay in the line but alas they don't care what I think

I will want a Mod2 but will wait for prices to tone down

Posted: 6/17/2016 2:31:04 PM EDT

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How could they drop the forward assist? I mean every other semi-auto rifle has a forward assist so it makes no sense for any to not have one.

Oh wait, ugh, wait. ugh,

I have 400K close to 500K rounds out of ARs and not once have I ever successfully used the FA.

I am not saying it can never be used to help a round in I am just saying there is a reason pretty much no other firearm uses one

I may agree on gas settings but FA is a who cares certainly not me issue and glad it will be going

Personally I like the dual ambi QD on the Mod1 as centered on the Mod2 (and on other ARs I have) it does not fall right across my chest

I like lighter but weight seems to have become a competition not based on actual requirements.

Still, like any change products appeal to some not so much others and we have a nice selection. I would have liked the Mod1 to stay in the line but alas they don't care what I think

I will want a Mod2 but will wait for prices to tone down

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I've had to use an FA to close the bolt in a situation where my life depended on being quiet as possible. Granted, it was a one in 10 million, but that may have changed my perspective. I'd rather have it there.

Posted: 6/17/2016 3:09:25 PM EDT

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I have played with using the FA as compared with ejecting the round and firing the next.

While not trying to prove any point just for my use I found that
1; most times using a FA does not cure the problem and in some cases makes it worse and
2 ejecting the round took about the same time and cured the problem in almost every case and the few it didn't still had me one step further to address a jam.

These happen so infrequently I actually put problem rounds in my mags so I have to address them and do so without knowing which mag(s) have them (I load my mags when I come home from the range not when I go so they are always ready)

If you feel better having a FA fine I have yet to find any reason for them and the time wasted trying to seat a bad round is better spent on ejecting and moving on but of course IMO.

Posted: 6/17/2016 11:26:08 PM EDT

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I have played with using the FA as compared with ejecting the round and firing the next.

While not trying to prove any point just for my use I found that
1; most times using a FA does not cure the problem and in some cases makes it worse and
2 ejecting the round took about the same time and cured the problem in almost every case and the few it didn't still had me one step further to address a jam.

These happen so infrequently I actually put problem rounds in my mags so I have to address them and do so without knowing which mag(s) have them (I load my mags when I come home from the range not when I go so they are always ready)

If you feel better having a FA fine I have yet to find any reason for them and the time wasted trying to seat a bad round is better spent on ejecting and moving on but of course IMO.

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There are times that using an FA has nothing to do with chambering a bad round.

Posted: 6/18/2016 10:47:03 AM EDT

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I'm in agreement. I've got 3 PWS rifles in my safe right now and I'm not remotely interested in the new Mod2 rifles. They look like something Sig would put out. Their motto says it all: "Mod2, because it's time." So, there's no real rationale behind it, they just decided they needed something new. Hey PWS, how about putting a side charger on the Mod1, putting the picmod cuts in the existing handguards, and incorporating the new ratcheting nut? Call it the Mod3. I'd be game.

Posted: 6/18/2016 1:39:45 PM EDT

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I'm in agreement. I've got 3 PWS rifles in my safe right now and I'm not remotely interested in the new Mod2 rifles. They look like something Sig would put out. Their motto says it all: "Mod2, because it's time." So, there's no real rationale behind it, they just decided they needed something new. Hey PWS, how about putting a side charger on the Mod1, putting the picmod cuts in the existing handguards, and incorporating the new ratcheting nut? Call it the Mod3. I'd be game.

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Oh man I'd be all over that.

Posted: 6/22/2016 7:06:27 AM EDT

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There are times that using an FA has nothing to do with chambering a bad round.

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I confess I am ignorant of what else a forward assist can be used for other than well, forward assisting of the round

Please explain cause all this time I felt these were a waste

Posted: 6/22/2016 9:18:21 AM EDT

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I confess I am ignorant of what else a forward assist can be used for other than well, forward assisting of the round

Please explain cause all this time I felt these were a waste

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There are times that using an FA has nothing to do with chambering a bad round.

I confess I am ignorant of what else a forward assist can be used for other than well, forward assisting of the round

Please explain cause all this time I felt these were a waste

What he means is it doesn't have to just be used to cram a stuck round into battery. A good example would be you have to chamber a round silently (ride the charging handle down slowly). You would then press the extractor over the case rim with the forward assis. This can be a situation in hunting and in home defense.

Posted: 6/22/2016 1:30:29 PM EDT

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What he means is it doesn't have to just be used to cram a stuck round into battery. A good example would be you have to chamber a round silently (ride the charging handle down slowly). You would then press the extractor over the case rim with the forward assis. This can be a situation in hunting and in home defense.

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There are times that using an FA has nothing to do with chambering a bad round.

I confess I am ignorant of what else a forward assist can be used for other than well, forward assisting of the round

Please explain cause all this time I felt these were a waste

What he means is it doesn't have to just be used to cram a stuck round into battery. A good example would be you have to chamber a round silently (ride the charging handle down slowly). You would then press the extractor over the case rim with the forward assis. This can be a situation in hunting and in home defense.

Exactly. Any time you have to cycle the action slowly by hand so that you're as silent as possible. In that case, you want to be able to push the FA to ensure that you're in battery.

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