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Posted: 11/23/2015 6:48:19 PM EDT
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Anyone know if the gas block will fit inside on either of these kits? I'm building a 10.3" or 10.5" (.750) SBR. I am still deciding whether I want the REV in either 9" or 10" or the REV II in 9" (only option). The Rev will fit the AA XLP block according to this thread I don't know about the Rev II. But that thread also convinced me to never by a AA product when I was looking to build a piston gun and spent hours trying to find out if their "will fit under most rails" claim was true and it was not. I would take the jump with the Syrac kit if you can find it, it is smaller than the XLP block and should fit as it does not have anything going on under the rest of the rail. the dimensions are on their site if you have/can find the fortis rail dimensions. |
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Posted: 11/23/2015 11:17:06 PM EDT
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The Rev will fit the AA XLP block according to this thread I don't know about the Rev II. But that thread also convinced me to never by a AA product when I was looking to build a piston gun and spent hours trying to find out if their "will fit under most rails" claim was true and it was not. I would take the jump with the Syrac kit if you can find it, it is smaller than the XLP block and should fit as it does not have anything going on under the rest of the rail. the dimensions are on their site if you have/can find the fortis rail dimensions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone know if the gas block will fit inside on either of these kits? I'm building a 10.3" or 10.5" (.750) SBR. I am still deciding whether I want the REV in either 9" or 10" or the REV II in 9" (only option). The Rev will fit the AA XLP block according to this thread I don't know about the Rev II. But that thread also convinced me to never by a AA product when I was looking to build a piston gun and spent hours trying to find out if their "will fit under most rails" claim was true and it was not. I would take the jump with the Syrac kit if you can find it, it is smaller than the XLP block and should fit as it does not have anything going on under the rest of the rail. the dimensions are on their site if you have/can find the fortis rail dimensions. Are they that hard to find? The website doesn't say out of stock, or in stock for that matter. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 12:04:24 AM EDT
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The fortis does NOT fit over the AA XLP block. I just sold my rev due to this issue. I've purchased 3-4 hand guards total that said they fit but they don't. Just get the Samson evolution if you get the AA XLP kit. Save yourself the hassle. The hand guards technically fit but they make contact with the block and defeats the purpose of a free float hand guard. My rev once slightly tightened on was canted upwards and I didn't want to crank it down all the way. It's only off by a tiny bit but it's not worth it. Even my gunsmith said to get a different rail if I was gonna use the AA kit.
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Posted: 11/24/2015 12:40:20 AM EDT
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Are they that hard to find? The website doesn't say out of stock, or in stock for that matter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone know if the gas block will fit inside on either of these kits? I'm building a 10.3" or 10.5" (.750) SBR. I am still deciding whether I want the REV in either 9" or 10" or the REV II in 9" (only option). The Rev will fit the AA XLP block according to this thread I don't know about the Rev II. But that thread also convinced me to never by a AA product when I was looking to build a piston gun and spent hours trying to find out if their "will fit under most rails" claim was true and it was not. I would take the jump with the Syrac kit if you can find it, it is smaller than the XLP block and should fit as it does not have anything going on under the rest of the rail. the dimensions are on their site if you have/can find the fortis rail dimensions. Are they that hard to find? The website doesn't say out of stock, or in stock for that matter. Huh I thought i had just seen they were out of stock like they are everywhere else. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 1:22:14 AM EDT
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The fortis does NOT fit over the AA XLP block. I just sold my rev due to this issue. I've purchased 3-4 hand guards total that said they fit but they don't. Just get the Samson evolution if you get the AA XLP kit. Save yourself the hassle. The hand guards technically fit but they make contact with the block and defeats the purpose of a free float hand guard. My rev once slightly tightened on was canted upwards and I didn't want to crank it down all the way. It's only off by a tiny bit but it's not worth it. Even my gunsmith said to get a different rail if I was gonna use the AA kit. Wow it really bothers me how they are misleading they are. Of the 2 people I know who bought AA kits to go under the handguard both had to be dremeled. The 1st the gen 1 block with the Sampson rail with the top cut out(explicitly approved by AA at that time) and could not be mounted without the dremel. The second was the xlp with a phase 5(I believe) that wouldn't fit and was dremeled when they were saying the xlp fits under most handguards. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 2:09:38 AM EDT
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The fortis does NOT fit over the AA XLP block. I just sold my rev due to this issue. I've purchased 3-4 hand guards total that said they fit but they don't. Just get the Samson evolution if you get the AA XLP kit. Save yourself the hassle. The hand guards technically fit but they make contact with the block and defeats the purpose of a free float hand guard. My rev once slightly tightened on was canted upwards and I didn't want to crank it down all the way. It's only off by a tiny bit but it's not worth it. Even my gunsmith said to get a different rail if I was gonna use the AA kit. Why are you spreading misinformation about the Fortis and adams arms products and other products? I have a rev 2, which is the same as rev i with a removed lower rail and it fits under my XLP. While it fits snuggly, it fits nonetheless without needed to make modifications. Just because it foghts toghtly doesnt mean that accuracy will be in jeopardy. Your comments lead me to believe youre paid by another company, or work for one. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:19:32 AM EDT
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Yup you got me. I obviously work for a competing company because I want my free float hand guard to actually free float and not touch the gas block as advertised. I love the AA system and I even liked the fortis rail. Just not together. I emailed Rainer arms when I first tried to install both and they said they will accept a return even though it says on AA website that the REV won't fit with the XLP block. I couldn't find where it said that but I took their word for it. I decided to keep if anyway for a later build because I didn't want to pay return shipping. Not everyone is trying to screw someone over I'm just letting him know my experience with the two items in question.
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Posted: 11/24/2015 11:20:54 PM EDT
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Why are you spreading misinformation about the Fortis and adams arms products and other products? I have a rev 2, which is the same as rev i with a removed lower rail and it fits under my XLP. While it fits snuggly, it fits nonetheless without needed to make modifications. Just because it foghts toghtly doesnt mean that accuracy will be in jeopardy. Your comments lead me to believe youre paid by another company, or work for one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The fortis does NOT fit over the AA XLP block. I just sold my rev due to this issue. I've purchased 3-4 hand guards total that said they fit but they don't. Just get the Samson evolution if you get the AA XLP kit. Save yourself the hassle. The hand guards technically fit but they make contact with the block and defeats the purpose of a free float hand guard. My rev once slightly tightened on was canted upwards and I didn't want to crank it down all the way. It's only off by a tiny bit but it's not worth it. Even my gunsmith said to get a different rail if I was gonna use the AA kit. Why are you spreading misinformation about the Fortis and adams arms products and other products? I have a rev 2, which is the same as rev i with a removed lower rail and it fits under my XLP. While it fits snuggly, it fits nonetheless without needed to make modifications. Just because it foghts toghtly doesnt mean that accuracy will be in jeopardy. Your comments lead me to believe youre paid by another company, or work for one. If the rail contacts the gas block accuracy is jeopardized. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 10:15:33 PM EDT
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You will not have a problem with the rev II with a syrac piston. I used it on my last 300 blackout build. I have never used an Adam arms xlp so I could not tell you on that one
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Posted: 11/28/2015 1:43:35 AM EDT
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You will not have a problem with the rev II with a syrac piston. I used it on my last 300 blackout build. I have never used an Adam arms xlp so I could not tell you on that one Evidently the problem is finding a Syrac kit. It weighs quite a bit less which is why I want it over the AA. I do have an old school AA kit on my 16" right now and it has been flawless. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 3:02:32 AM EDT
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Evidently the problem is finding a Syrac kit. It weighs quite a bit less which is why I want it over the AA. I do have an old school AA kit on my 16" right now and it has been flawless. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You will not have a problem with the rev II with a syrac piston. I used it on my last 300 blackout build. I have never used an Adam arms xlp so I could not tell you on that one Evidently the problem is finding a Syrac kit. It weighs quite a bit less which is why I want it over the AA. I do have an old school AA kit on my 16" right now and it has been flawless. Did you try Syrac themselves? I just ordered from them, hopefully they aren't doing the whole pretend it is in stock ship whenever deal. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 3:54:22 AM EDT
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Did you try Syrac themselves? I just ordered from them, hopefully they aren't doing the whole pretend it is in stock ship whenever deal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You will not have a problem with the rev II with a syrac piston. I used it on my last 300 blackout build. I have never used an Adam arms xlp so I could not tell you on that one Evidently the problem is finding a Syrac kit. It weighs quite a bit less which is why I want it over the AA. I do have an old school AA kit on my 16" right now and it has been flawless. Did you try Syrac themselves? I just ordered from them, hopefully they aren't doing the whole pretend it is in stock ship whenever deal. Emailed them over a week ago and no answer. Plus I found a local dealer and they said that they "might" be shipping in February. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 6:27:27 PM EDT
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Evidently the problem is finding a Syrac kit. It weighs quite a bit less which is why I want it over the AA. I do have an old school AA kit on my 16" right now and it has been flawless. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You will not have a problem with the rev II with a syrac piston. I used it on my last 300 blackout build. I have never used an Adam arms xlp so I could not tell you on that one Evidently the problem is finding a Syrac kit. It weighs quite a bit less which is why I want it over the AA. I do have an old school AA kit on my 16" right now and it has been flawless. It took them about a month to get my piston out to me. That was a direct order from their website. The website said in stock but everything was backordered. When they have it ready to ship they call you to confirm payment. Email is useless to get in contact with them unless you already have their product in hand. Before I bought I had to call several times before they were there to answer . It a quality product and once you have it in hand their CS via email and phone is great. All I can tell you is order direct and you'll have it in a month or so. I love mine just don't use a MVB industries stock with it. I could never get my 300 blkout to cycle with it and the syrac piston. It works great on my normal buffer tube stock. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 7:00:38 PM EDT
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It took them about a month to get my piston out to me. That was a direct order from their website. The website said in stock but everything was backordered. When they have it ready to ship they call you to confirm payment. Email is useless to get in contact with them unless you already have their product in hand. Before I bought I had to call several times before they were there to answer . It a quality product and once you have it in hand their CS via email and phone is great. All I can tell you is order direct and you'll have it in a month or so. I love mine just don't use a MVB industries stock with it. I could never get my 300 blkout to cycle with it and the syrac piston. It works great on my normal buffer tube stock. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You will not have a problem with the rev II with a syrac piston. I used it on my last 300 blackout build. I have never used an Adam arms xlp so I could not tell you on that one Evidently the problem is finding a Syrac kit. It weighs quite a bit less which is why I want it over the AA. I do have an old school AA kit on my 16" right now and it has been flawless. It took them about a month to get my piston out to me. That was a direct order from their website. The website said in stock but everything was backordered. When they have it ready to ship they call you to confirm payment. Email is useless to get in contact with them unless you already have their product in hand. Before I bought I had to call several times before they were there to answer . It a quality product and once you have it in hand their CS via email and phone is great. All I can tell you is order direct and you'll have it in a month or so. I love mine just don't use a MVB industries stock with it. I could never get my 300 blkout to cycle with it and the syrac piston. It works great on my normal buffer tube stock. When did you order it? |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 1:00:18 PM EDT
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You will not have a problem with the rev II with a syrac piston. I used it on my last 300 blackout build. I have never used an Adam arms xlp so I could not tell you on that one Evidently the problem is finding a Syrac kit. It weighs quite a bit less which is why I want it over the AA. I do have an old school AA kit on my 16" right now and it has been flawless. It took them about a month to get my piston out to me. That was a direct order from their website. The website said in stock but everything was backordered. When they have it ready to ship they call you to confirm payment. Email is useless to get in contact with them unless you already have their product in hand. Before I bought I had to call several times before they were there to answer . It a quality product and once you have it in hand their CS via email and phone is great. All I can tell you is order direct and you'll have it in a month or so. I love mine just don't use a MVB industries stock with it. I could never get my 300 blkout to cycle with it and the syrac piston. It works great on my normal buffer tube stock. When did you order it? It was back at the beginning of the year. |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 3:44:39 PM EDT
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You will not have a problem with the rev II with a syrac piston. I used it on my last 300 blackout build. I have never used an Adam arms xlp so I could not tell you on that one Evidently the problem is finding a Syrac kit. It weighs quite a bit less which is why I want it over the AA. I do have an old school AA kit on my 16" right now and it has been flawless. It took them about a month to get my piston out to me. That was a direct order from their website. The website said in stock but everything was backordered. When they have it ready to ship they call you to confirm payment. Email is useless to get in contact with them unless you already have their product in hand. Before I bought I had to call several times before they were there to answer . It a quality product and once you have it in hand their CS via email and phone is great. All I can tell you is order direct and you'll have it in a month or so. I love mine just don't use a MVB industries stock with it. I could never get my 300 blkout to cycle with it and the syrac piston. It works great on my normal buffer tube stock. When did you order it? FYI I ordered on the 24th Nov and they sent me tracking today for a mid-length kit. I think he has more kits now as he seems to have put a hold on selling them to retailers. Midway says no back order and Brownells says discontinued. |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 8:55:33 PM EDT
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FYI I ordered on the 24th Nov and they sent me tracking today for a mid-length kit. I think he has more kits now as he seems to have put a hold on selling them to retailers. Midway says no back order and Brownells says discontinued. No shit? Crap, I just spent all my black Friday monies on other stuff. I need a carbine kit though, wonder if that makes a difference. Good to know they are showing life though. I really like the looks of the REV II and I know this will fit without contact. I'm also gonna use it on an 11.5" suppressed SBR so I want to be able to adjust the gas plus keep it out of my face. |
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Posted: 12/2/2015 12:53:49 PM EDT
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Well I ordered the Carbine kit at 9:39am and got a tracking number at 11:51am.
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Posted: 12/2/2015 10:48:40 PM EDT
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Well I ordered the Carbine kit at 9:39am and got a tracking number at 11:51am. awesome! I'm glad you did not have to wait. |
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Posted: 12/2/2015 11:18:47 PM EDT
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Well I ordered the Carbine kit at 9:39am and got a tracking number at 11:51am. awesome! I'm glad you did not have to wait. Well it hasn't "shipped" yet. So we shall see. It seemed to get a lot of great reviews plus I can now consider the BCM KMR rail. ETA: It shipped. ETA according to USPS is Monday. |
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Posted: 12/5/2015 7:43:00 PM EDT
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Received it today. Seems very well made. The only thing I would be concerned about is the adjustment screw. It seems that where the screw threads in and the chamber where the gas bleeds off, are connected. This would lead me to believe that carbon could very easily seize that screw. I guess I'll throw some anti-seize on it and hope for the best. I may be overthinking it.
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Posted: 12/5/2015 9:29:48 PM EDT
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Received it today. Seems very well made. The only thing I would be concerned about is the adjustment screw. It seems that where the screw threads in and the chamber where the gas bleeds off, are connected. This would lead me to believe that carbon could very easily seize that screw. I guess I'll throw some anti-seize on it and hope for the best. I may be overthinking it. The screw that holds the piston in does get dirty but I have yet to have it cause me problems during removal. I glad to hear they are shipping so fast |
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Posted: 12/5/2015 10:08:50 PM EDT
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Received it today. Seems very well made. The only thing I would be concerned about is the adjustment screw. It seems that where the screw threads in and the chamber where the gas bleeds off, are connected. This would lead me to believe that carbon could very easily seize that screw. I guess I'll throw some anti-seize on it and hope for the best. I may be overthinking it. The screw that holds the piston in does get dirty but I have yet to have it cause me problems during removal. I glad to hear they are shipping so fast Not the screw that holds the piston in, but the gas adjustment screw. |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 8:15:36 PM EDT
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Received it today. Seems very well made. The only thing I would be concerned about is the adjustment screw. It seems that where the screw threads in and the chamber where the gas bleeds off, are connected. This would lead me to believe that carbon could very easily seize that screw. I guess I'll throw some anti-seize on it and hope for the best. I may be overthinking it. The screw that holds the piston in does get dirty but I have yet to have it cause me problems during removal. I glad to hear they are shipping so fast Not the screw that holds the piston in, but the gas adjustment screw. sorry I misunderstood you. I never have had any issues with the adjustment screw. |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 8:19:44 PM EDT
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Received it today. Seems very well made. The only thing I would be concerned about is the adjustment screw. It seems that where the screw threads in and the chamber where the gas bleeds off, are connected. This would lead me to believe that carbon could very easily seize that screw. I guess I'll throw some anti-seize on it and hope for the best. I may be overthinking it. The screw that holds the piston in does get dirty but I have yet to have it cause me problems during removal. I glad to hear they are shipping so fast Not the screw that holds the piston in, but the gas adjustment screw. sorry I misunderstood you. I never have had any issues with the adjustment screw. Just curious of how many rounds have you put through it? |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 3:11:29 AM EDT
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Received it today. Seems very well made. The only thing I would be concerned about is the adjustment screw. It seems that where the screw threads in and the chamber where the gas bleeds off, are connected. This would lead me to believe that carbon could very easily seize that screw. I guess I'll throw some anti-seize on it and hope for the best. I may be overthinking it. The screw that holds the piston in does get dirty but I have yet to have it cause me problems during removal. I glad to hear they are shipping so fast Not the screw that holds the piston in, but the gas adjustment screw. sorry I misunderstood you. I never have had any issues with the adjustment screw. Just curious of how many rounds have you put through it? So far the yhm model 57 billet sbr build has around 1500+ rounds through it. |
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Posted: 12/9/2015 3:08:35 PM EDT
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Anyone know if the gas block will fit inside on either of these kits? I'm building a 10.3" or 10.5" (.750) SBR. I am still deciding whether I want the REV in either 9" or 10" or the REV II in 9" (only option). For what it's worth... Just finished my new upper build last night: Spike upper 18" SS Barrel AA piston Kit (picatinny gaz block, mid length) http://www.adamsarms.net/mid-length-piston-kit Fortis Rev Rail (http://fortismfg.com/ar15-fortis-REV-free-float-rail-system-mid-cutout) No issues what so ever installing the AA kit under the rail and no contact between the gas block and the rail either. |
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