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Posted: 10/16/2016 2:17:27 PM EDT
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Nothing good on tv. I'll give it a view
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Posted: 10/16/2016 10:31:48 PM EDT
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I watched it not long ago, not a bad video.
I assumed someone in this group made it? |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 10:37:16 PM EDT
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It was interesting. I'm somewhat new to the retro forum.
But it was a good refresher course. And comfermed a lot of what already new. |
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Posted: 10/17/2016 4:18:52 PM EDT
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You guys have totally ruined me. I found a few "BLOOPERS" in this video. His 601carrier wasnt actually a 601 (no full round key). His upper on his 601 didnt have the wedge shape where the charging handle slides in. The front sight wasnt the flat type (forged?). I dont belive the buttstock was an "A" model. No horizontal line pattern on the magazine release. No "no number with only an arrow) on the sight wheel. See what you guys have done to me? (I AM NOW TOTALLY ANAL). He did admit that the lower, and the flash hider wasnt correct though. Dont get me wrong,,,,I thought it was an awesome video! I did learn plenty! What a great video to refer to for some of the diagnostic problems that we run into (timing / dwell / corroded chamber / etc) I wish he had more videos, covering some of the carbines. Thanks for sharing, Ive never seen this one.
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Posted: 10/17/2016 4:28:28 PM EDT
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I watched it not long ago, not a bad video. I assumed someone in this group made it? It wouldn't surprise me if he were a member, but he's the guy that wrote TBR2 |
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Posted: 10/17/2016 11:07:53 PM EDT
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You guys have totally ruined me. I found a few "BLOOPERS" in this video. His 601carrier wasnt actually a 601 (no full round key). His upper on his 601 didnt have the wedge shape where the charging handle slides in. The front sight wasnt the flat type (forged?). I dont belive the buttstock was an "A" model. No horizontal line pattern on the magazine release. No "no number with only an arrow) on the sight wheel. See what you guys have done to me? (I AM NOW TOTALLY ANAL). He did admit that the lower, and the flash hider wasnt correct though. Dont get me wrong,,,,I thought it was an awesome video! I did learn plenty! What a great video to refer to for some of the diagnostic problems that we run into (timing / dwell / corroded chamber / etc) I wish he had more videos, covering some of the carbines. Thanks for sharing, Ive never seen this one. Yep.......wrong stock, didn't look like a cast FSB, probably was missing the carbon steel gas tube and the handguards probably had drain holes. 
Oh yeah. .....wonder if it has an Edgewater inside. |
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Posted: 10/17/2016 11:46:05 PM EDT
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I still have not had the chance to watch it all but I am looking forward to it.
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Posted: 10/18/2016 12:11:38 AM EDT
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I still have not had the chance to watch it all but I am looking forward to it. Spoiler !!!! They all live happily ever after 
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:32:31 AM EDT
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It wouldn't surprise me if he were a member, but he's the guy that wrote TBR2 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I watched it not long ago, not a bad video. I assumed someone in this group made it? It wouldn't surprise me if he were a member, but he's the guy that wrote TBR2 Really,, wow that's cool. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:34:35 AM EDT
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You guys have totally ruined me. I found a few "BLOOPERS" in this video. His 601carrier wasnt actually a 601 (no full round key). His upper on his 601 didnt have the wedge shape where the charging handle slides in. The front sight wasnt the flat type (forged?). I dont belive the buttstock was an "A" model. No horizontal line pattern on the magazine release. No "no number with only an arrow) on the sight wheel. See what you guys have done to me? (I AM NOW TOTALLY ANAL). He did admit that the lower, and the flash hider wasnt correct though. Dont get me wrong,,,,I thought it was an awesome video! I did learn plenty! What a great video to refer to for some of the diagnostic problems that we run into (timing / dwell / corroded chamber / etc) I wish he had more videos, covering some of the carbines. Thanks for sharing, Ive never seen this one. Funny I notice that stuff too, not just with him... People post up their retros On the Facebook... And I'm thinking ... That's not right, that part isn't correct.... Etc.. Everybody else will think it's great. Lol |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 10:03:32 AM EDT
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We all see the tiny details but for the storyline the tiny details are irrelevant. The main things like the bare steel bore, Edgewater spring guide, powder change, no training, no cleaning kits, no testing in non-combat settings, etc are the story.
That being said, that lower didn't come with that bolt catch :) . That got changed somewhere between serial numbers 600 and 1100. It would be interesting to tie that change down more preciscely. |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 5:10:11 PM EDT
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We all see the tiny details but for the storyline the tiny details are irrelevant. The main things like the bare steel bore, Edgewater spring guide, powder change, no training, no cleaning kits, no testing in non-combat settings, etc are the . |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 5:38:46 PM EDT
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It's easy to forget about just how wet that some parts of VN are. Then you add in the monsoon season and maintaining the ammo and the rifle to the level needed to compensate for the bare chamber would be difficult. There were battles where they were in contact or in pursuit almost continuously for several days at a time.
The way the issuing of the rifle was handled was the result of a lack of leadership by the brass. Way too many ticket punchers at high levels. Read "Going Downtown" by Jack Broughton for an example of the ticket punchers screwing the fighting men. It's about F105 pilots not M16s but it's a microcosm of what was wrong with the military leadership during VN. |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 5:53:32 PM EDT
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I'm just curios. I am a soon to be retiring SR NCO. I have been deployed to combat zones and did a few patrols outside the wire in Ramadi Iraq. I know it was a completely different environment but as a NCO you are responsible for your Soldiers and inspecting their equipment. I know I inspected my troops weapons and equipment before and after every patrol etc. I wonder if the NCO corps was putting a foot in the ass of the Soldiers to make sure the weapons were maintained properly. Or was it a lack of knowledge of proper maintenance procedures? Maybe some of our veterans during the war could give us some insight into the issues.
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Posted: 10/19/2016 6:43:09 PM EDT
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I'm just curios. I am a soon to be retiring SR NCO. I have been deployed to combat zones and did a few patrols outside the wire in Ramadi Iraq. I know it was a completely different environment but as a NCO you are responsible for your Soldiers and inspecting their equipment. I know I inspected my troops weapons and equipment before and after every patrol etc. I wonder if the NCO corps was putting a foot in the ass of the Soldiers to make sure the weapons were maintained properly. Or was it a lack of knowledge of proper maintenance procedures? Maybe some of our veterans during the war could give us some insight into the issues. Well read 4Fer here not a vet. When the XM16E1 was issued there were no cleaning gear in the entire system that would fit the 22 caliber bore. Soldiers were writing home having their families send them commercial cleaning kits. The rifles were jamming so bad that soldiers would tape the assembled cleaning rod to the side of the rifle so it would be there when they had a failure to extract and the empty case was stuck in the chamber. And again, it's basically impossible to imagine how much it could rain during the monsoon season. Their clothes would rot off them in one extended mission. Their skin was constantly giving them fits. When they got into base camp they would wear flip flops so their feet would dry out. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 12:01:57 PM EDT
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I watched the entire video. This corrects the myths of the early days of the M-16 rifle. The author really knows his subject matter. Highly recommended if you have an interest in the AR rifle.
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Posted: 10/20/2016 12:08:34 PM EDT
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I'm just curios. I am a soon to be retiring SR NCO. I have been deployed to combat zones and did a few patrols outside the wire in Ramadi Iraq. I know it was a completely different environment but as a NCO you are responsible for your Soldiers and inspecting their equipment. I know I inspected my troops weapons and equipment before and after every patrol etc. I wonder if the NCO corps was putting a foot in the ass of the Soldiers to make sure the weapons were maintained properly. Or was it a lack of knowledge of proper maintenance procedures? Maybe some of our veterans during the war could give us some insight into the issues. As an infantryman in Vietnam in 68-69, 9th Inf. Div.; I can tell you we were on our own. We were given little maintenance training in AIT and none in Vietnam. We were lucky if we were given a chance to sight-in our in-country issued rifle. There was no oversight to determine if we were maintaining our M-16. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 12:16:17 PM EDT
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As an infantryman in Vietnam in 68-69, 9th Inf. Div.; I can tell you we were on our own. We were given little maintenance training in AIT and none in Vietnam. We were lucky if we were given a chance to sight-in our in-country issued rifle. There was no oversight to determine if we were maintaining our M-16. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm just curios. I am a soon to be retiring SR NCO. I have been deployed to combat zones and did a few patrols outside the wire in Ramadi Iraq. I know it was a completely different environment but as a NCO you are responsible for your Soldiers and inspecting their equipment. I know I inspected my troops weapons and equipment before and after every patrol etc. I wonder if the NCO corps was putting a foot in the ass of the Soldiers to make sure the weapons were maintained properly. Or was it a lack of knowledge of proper maintenance procedures? Maybe some of our veterans during the war could give us some insight into the issues. As an infantryman in Vietnam in 68-69, 9th Inf. Div.; I can tell you we were on our own. We were given little maintenance training in AIT and none in Vietnam. We were lucky if we were given a chance to sight-in our in-country issued rifle. There was no oversight to determine if we were maintaining our M-16. Seems kind of criminal that leaders were not involved in the welfare of the Soldiers under them. Hell I would have raised a living hell to get my troops the cleaning equipment they need. NCOs are resourceful and can find a way to make it happen. It's about doing what's best for your Soldiers even when they don't want to do it. I can tell you I pissed a lot of troops off by making them wear their Kevlar helmets and body armor in 120 heat. Heard a lot of bitching too. But none of them got killed when the SHTF. Hats off to you guys. That had to be a miserable wet hot place to fight a war. I can only speak from my perspective. I bet the bugs, snakes, and critters were no so kind to our troops. |
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