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Posted: 5/22/2016 12:48:22 PM EDT
Thios is the one they were still using when I was in basic training in 1974.  I remember it very well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b5w7Aypamg

Maybe someone else can figure out how to embed it!
Link Posted: 5/22/2016 1:02:11 PM EDT
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Here is the USAF version.  Note the 601 and 602ss being used, as well as wffle mags...

Part 1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QhP_xgWZJQ

Part 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0RDhH7BRHs

Link Posted: 5/22/2016 1:04:25 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/22/2016 1:04:53 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/22/2016 1:05:13 PM EDT
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Here you go.

Link Posted: 5/22/2016 1:06:11 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/22/2016 1:09:17 PM EDT
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NOTE: at 5:22 in the second USAF video, they show an odd way to fire full automatic.  When I went through Security Police Tactics School (Air Base Ground Defense) at Camp Bullis, outside of Lackland AFB in 1980, they still taught that shooting position.  They would have us "ASSAULT ON LINE" moving forward in a line, using that position to fire as we advanced in a line!  Being ex-Army, I knew they were full of sh*t!  No one in their right mind would use Napoleonic War tactics in a real firefight! OMG.
Link Posted: 5/22/2016 1:24:27 PM EDT
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Here is another training film from 1971.  It deals only with M16A1 marksmanship.  It is a wartime Army's attempt at humor, I guess

Funny? marksmanship video
Link Posted: 5/22/2016 1:25:20 PM EDT
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Double tap
Link Posted: 5/22/2016 1:35:54 PM EDT
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Dudes booger hook is all over that trigger....   At what point did they start training to keep the finger outside?
Link Posted: 5/22/2016 1:48:58 PM EDT
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I did not see the change in Law Enforcement until the late 90s when Glocks became popular.  Even with 1911A1s, we trained with finger in the trigger guard until the late 90s.When I ran the academy 1998 to 2000, we still had some that kept fingers in the trigger guard.
Link Posted: 5/22/2016 2:03:31 PM EDT
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I did not see the change in Law Enforcement until the late 90s when Glocks became popular.  Even with 1911A1s, we trained with finger in the trigger guard until the late 90s.When I ran the academy 1998 to 2000, we still had some that kept fingers in the trigger guard.
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I did not see the change in Law Enforcement until the late 90s when Glocks became popular.  Even with 1911A1s, we trained with finger in the trigger guard until the late 90s.When I ran the academy 1998 to 2000, we still had some that kept fingers in the trigger guard.


Interesting.  My father in-law taught me how to shoot a rifle properly in the mid-1980's.  He always told me to keep my trigger finger off the trigger until i was ready to shoot.  He convinced me that it prevented accidents - which really made sense to me, if we would be walking through the woods un-slung.  So it's what I've always done.  He was a Navy Vet.  But he said that his Dad taught him to shoot.  

He was also a stickler for never leaning a loaded rifle on a tree or fence post.
Link Posted: 5/22/2016 2:14:52 PM EDT
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There was a different dynamic/standard between teaching civilians and teaching law enforcement and military.  When I took hunter safety as a youngster in the early 70s, we were taught to keep finger off of trigger. In the Army and USAF, and later as LEO we were taught to keep it on the trigger.
Link Posted: 5/22/2016 2:35:23 PM EDT
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I went thru Army basic in 1991, and we were instructed then to keep it off the trigger until ready to fire.
Link Posted: 5/22/2016 3:32:20 PM EDT
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Army 1974 to 1979 (active and reserve) and USAF Reserve 1979 to 1981 it was finger on the trigger. LEO 1977 through about 1998, it was finger in the trigger until about 1995 or so, when it started to change, depending on department.  At the Academy 1998-2000, we told them to do whatever there department policy was.  Most had the finger out of the trigger guard by then.
Link Posted: 5/22/2016 5:58:22 PM EDT
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That was the inspiration for my XM16E1 clone.
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