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Who's doing the rollmarks? View Quote criio, I'm working on the rollmark and other engraving. I didn't have time to finish it and had to pull it off the mill to run another job, so I'll have to finish it later. I need to come up with a serial number that falls into the 900,000 range (I think that's where e2's fell)........that is a date of some significance in my life. My 607 is my son's birthday, and my M4A1 is my birthday, but I'm having trouble coming up with something for this one. This one also needs the Colt's Patent Firearms Mfg Co and the SAFE SEMI AUTO engraved, along with my trust info. Edit: my process of programming for engraving is extremely slow compared to what Braceman and other must use. I guess it is true........you can't teach an old dog new tricks, lol.......so I still do it the slooooooooooow way. Manual data input. I don't know how to use CAM software. This rollmark is a blend of 2 different programs I have. The 177E2 uses some of the old rollmark, along with some of the new......it uses the newer pony/globe, but the old Colts Patent Firearms Mfg Co wording, which meant I had to write a whole new program. Probably a half hour or less work for someone that knows what they're doing, but quite a few hours for me. |
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Looking good. I had Braceman engrave a couple of lowers for me. One is a Nodak 80% engraved M16A1, and another 80% A2 lower engraved as M16A2. Very nice work, and your engraving is coming along nicely as well.
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Looking good. I had Braceman engrave a couple of lowers for me. One is a Nodak 80% engraved M16A1, and another 80% A2 lower engraved as M16A2. Very nice work, and your engraving is coming along nicely as well. Edit: What do you plan on for a coating? View Quote Type III anodizing. I figure there is too much time/money involved for a stamped lower to not have it hard coated. I want it to be as resistant to dents/dings as I can make it. |
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Type III anodizing. I figure there is too much time/money involved for a stamped lower to not have it hard coated. I want it to be as resistant to dents/dings as I can make it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Looking good. I had Braceman engrave a couple of lowers for me. One is a Nodak 80% engraved M16A1, and another 80% A2 lower engraved as M16A2. Very nice work, and your engraving is coming along nicely as well. Edit: What do you plan on for a coating? Type III anodizing. I figure there is too much time/money involved for a stamped lower to not have it hard coated. I want it to be as resistant to dents/dings as I can make it. Very true. I am considering sending my Nodak to US Anodize after I am done with it. I still need to machine it, and the weather is a bit cold for me to go out in my little piddly ass shop, lol. Takes a while for the heaters to warm it up. I |
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I've got another repro manual that I can send your way that will compliment this and the manual you've already got. Just need to have it spiral bound for authenticity.
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That is SOOOO funny! I took a crappy cell phone pic of my mocked up XM177E2-1/2 today but the picture sucked so I didn't post it. Might as well now. <a href="http://s39.photobucket.com/user/Cal30M1/media/20150125_173952.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/Cal30M1/20150125_173952.jpg</a> You can get the gist of it. Unfinished 80% lower and a bubba'd aluminum stock I stripped and sanded the major grinder marks out of. Yours looks better Stoner! View Quote It looks like a good start, but I want your alum butt stock. |
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It looks like a good start, but I want your alum butt stock. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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That is SOOOO funny! I took a crappy cell phone pic of my mocked up XM177E2-1/2 today but the picture sucked so I didn't post it. Might as well now. <a href="http://s39.photobucket.com/user/Cal30M1/media/20150125_173952.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/Cal30M1/20150125_173952.jpg</a> You can get the gist of it. Unfinished 80% lower and a bubba'd aluminum stock I stripped and sanded the major grinder marks out of. Yours looks better Stoner! It looks like a good start, but I want your alum butt stock. You wouldn't if you could see it better! It's a little chewed on. It'll be alright after some more sand paper and a few coats of Rustoleum gloss black! The inside is rough as a cob. Someone trying to hog it out I guess. Fits OK on my colt tube but it's already rubbing the anodizing off. |
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Correct me if I'm wrong but both original XM177E2 uppers I have owned had round forge uppers. Were the earliest ones square forge? <a href="http://s576.photobucket.com/user/BigRix/media/null_zpsebb2595f.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss208/BigRix/null_zpsebb2595f.jpg</a> <a href="http://s576.photobucket.com/user/BigRix/media/Colt%20XM177E2/889DCF77-3861-4641-AA42-C9EFB90603A0_zpskhbquwnj.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss208/BigRix/Colt%20XM177E2/889DCF77-3861-4641-AA42-C9EFB90603A0_zpskhbquwnj.jpg</a> I guess you could call my first one square ish. Black lugs with recess. Later one is more round with gray lugs with no recess. View Quote BigRix......I don't know. I should do some more research. I'd be better off if I did not have to use the sq forge.......I've got a half dozen round forge FA uppers I could pick from.......some just barely rounded and some more pronounced. I could save the sq one for an earlier project. |
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Looks great I could only hope mine would turn out that nice
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That looks about like mine.
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That looks about like mine. Does it have a counter bored front lug? View Quote It does. My crappy photography doesn't show it, but the lugs are black too. That upper was recoated with some kind of finish that was damned near impossible to remove. I spent a lot of time and stripper to remove whatever it was. It had some kind of metallic specs in it, not sure what. What you see is the original finish that's in pretty good shape. The black lugs aren't as black as others I've seen, but there's enough there to tell that it's original. edit: you also can't see in that photo that the proof marks are there. The "C" in a square is a good stamp, the Vp was struck at an angle, so only one "corner" of it is visible. |
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well hail............all of a sudden I can't upload to Photobucket. About the drainhole........hmmmmm.........seems I have seen pics of an E2 that was a no drain hole. Hmmmmm. I have early onset of "can't remember chit", also known as CRS, but I think drain holes are believed to have started appearing in 67 and E2's first appeared in, I think, Nov of 66.......so maybe there were a few no drain hole E2's???? I have several of each type front sight, so either way I'm good on that. I'd assume that any round forged upper would probably have a drain hole in the sight.......so I;ll figure on going that route.
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That is SOOOO funny! I took a crappy cell phone pic of my mocked up XM177E2-1/2 today but the picture sucked so I didn't post it. Might as well now. <a href="http://s39.photobucket.com/user/Cal30M1/media/20150125_173952.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/Cal30M1/20150125_173952.jpg</a> You can get the gist of it. Unfinished 80% lower and a bubba'd aluminum stock I stripped and sanded the major grinder marks out of. Yours looks better Stoner! View Quote Looks great but get yourself a skinny set of handguards. |
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Looks great but get yourself a skinny set of handguards. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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That is SOOOO funny! I took a crappy cell phone pic of my mocked up XM177E2-1/2 today but the picture sucked so I didn't post it. Might as well now. <a href="http://s39.photobucket.com/user/Cal30M1/media/20150125_173952.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/Cal30M1/20150125_173952.jpg</a> You can get the gist of it. Unfinished 80% lower and a bubba'd aluminum stock I stripped and sanded the major grinder marks out of. Yours looks better Stoner! Looks great but get yourself a skinny set of handguards. Those are the skinniest mid length guards I could find! Know where any skinnier and shinier are? |
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Rumor is RRA has the thinnest round mid-length. Is that true?
http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=306 Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Need to write this down in case I'm tempted to do a retro 6.8. At the moment I'm planning an eventual M4ish 6.8. |
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Very true. I am considering sending my Nodak to US Anodize after I am done with it. I still need to machine it, and the weather is a bit cold for me to go out in my little piddly ass shop, lol. Takes a while for the heaters to warm it up. I View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Looking good. I had Braceman engrave a couple of lowers for me. One is a Nodak 80% engraved M16A1, and another 80% A2 lower engraved as M16A2. Very nice work, and your engraving is coming along nicely as well. Edit: What do you plan on for a coating? Type III anodizing. I figure there is too much time/money involved for a stamped lower to not have it hard coated. I want it to be as resistant to dents/dings as I can make it. Very true. I am considering sending my Nodak to US Anodize after I am done with it. I still need to machine it, and the weather is a bit cold for me to go out in my little piddly ass shop, lol. Takes a while for the heaters to warm it up. I I thought us anodizing quit doing finished 80s are they doing them again? |
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My engraving always looks skewed or something. The "S" in "SAFE" looks like it's messed up.......which it is.........but that's the way the roll mark was on the example that I "lifted". It would be easier, I suppose, to just type in the letters/numbers in AutoCAD, which would make them perfect but that isn't the way the originals look. The skews aren't so obvious after anodizing. Hopefully.
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Seeing that makes me wish I had followed my dads interests and his love of metal working instead of going the other route and working with wood.
Nice work and I love the 'flaws" Dad always said "leave one that they can find, and they won't seach for the ones you want to remain hidden" |
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BigRix......I don't know. I should do some more research. I'd be better off if I did not have to use the sq forge.......I've got a half dozen round forge FA uppers I could pick from.......some just barely rounded and some more pronounced. I could save the sq one for an earlier project. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Correct me if I'm wrong but both original XM177E2 uppers I have owned had round forge uppers. Were the earliest ones square forge? <a href="http://s576.photobucket.com/user/BigRix/media/null_zpsebb2595f.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss208/BigRix/null_zpsebb2595f.jpg</a> <a href="http://s576.photobucket.com/user/BigRix/media/Colt%20XM177E2/889DCF77-3861-4641-AA42-C9EFB90603A0_zpskhbquwnj.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss208/BigRix/Colt%20XM177E2/889DCF77-3861-4641-AA42-C9EFB90603A0_zpskhbquwnj.jpg</a> I guess you could call my first one square ish. Black lugs with recess. Later one is more round with gray lugs with no recess. BigRix......I don't know. I should do some more research. I'd be better off if I did not have to use the sq forge.......I've got a half dozen round forge FA uppers I could pick from.......some just barely rounded and some more pronounced. I could save the sq one for an earlier project. Lou, go with the red ^^^^. My original MP marked XM177E2 barrel does not have a drain hole in the FSB. |
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Very nice work. So you are not engraving a fake sear pin hole?
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Lou, go with the red ^^^^. My original MP marked XM177E2 barrel does not have a drain hole in the FSB. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Correct me if I'm wrong but both original XM177E2 uppers I have owned had round forge uppers. Were the earliest ones square forge? <a href="http://s576.photobucket.com/user/BigRix/media/null_zpsebb2595f.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss208/BigRix/null_zpsebb2595f.jpg</a> <a href="http://s576.photobucket.com/user/BigRix/media/Colt%20XM177E2/889DCF77-3861-4641-AA42-C9EFB90603A0_zpskhbquwnj.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss208/BigRix/Colt%20XM177E2/889DCF77-3861-4641-AA42-C9EFB90603A0_zpskhbquwnj.jpg</a> I guess you could call my first one square ish. Black lugs with recess. Later one is more round with gray lugs with no recess. BigRix......I don't know. I should do some more research. I'd be better off if I did not have to use the sq forge.......I've got a half dozen round forge FA uppers I could pick from.......some just barely rounded and some more pronounced. I could save the sq one for an earlier project. Lou, go with the red ^^^^. My original MP marked XM177E2 barrel does not have a drain hole in the FSB. .Thanks Rob. I have one original no-hole front sight, and several that I've made by welding up the hole and reprofiling/reparking. I'll put the original to use on this build. |
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Mike, what I'll do is put two blind holes, about .040 or so deep.......one each side of the receiver, slightly off location of where a sear pin hole would be. After anodizing I'll insert pin nubs that are about .045-.050 long into the holes. They look more like a real pin than the engraved circles. Here's a pic of how they look on my Mk18. http://i840.photobucket.com/albums/zz327/T00lmanii/P1206528_zps5f8ade8f.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Very nice work. So you are not engraving a fake sear pin hole? Mike, what I'll do is put two blind holes, about .040 or so deep.......one each side of the receiver, slightly off location of where a sear pin hole would be. After anodizing I'll insert pin nubs that are about .045-.050 long into the holes. They look more like a real pin than the engraved circles. Here's a pic of how they look on my Mk18. http://i840.photobucket.com/albums/zz327/T00lmanii/P1206528_zps5f8ade8f.jpg Awesome job on the XM lower thus far. Your M4A1 lower looks just like the real deal |
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Mike, what I'll do is put two blind holes, about .040 or so deep.......one each side of the receiver, slightly off location of where a sear pin hole would be. After anodizing I'll insert pin nubs that are about .045-.050 long into the holes. They look more like a real pin than the engraved circles. Here's a pic of how they look on my Mk18. http://i840.photobucket.com/albums/zz327/T00lmanii/P1206528_zps5f8ade8f.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Very nice work. So you are not engraving a fake sear pin hole? Mike, what I'll do is put two blind holes, about .040 or so deep.......one each side of the receiver, slightly off location of where a sear pin hole would be. After anodizing I'll insert pin nubs that are about .045-.050 long into the holes. They look more like a real pin than the engraved circles. Here's a pic of how they look on my Mk18. http://i840.photobucket.com/albums/zz327/T00lmanii/P1206528_zps5f8ade8f.jpg OK - got it. I have seen that before and it will look great based on your picture! |
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That looks nice stoner . Has anyone been harassed for the faux sear pin holes?
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That looks nice stoner . Has anyone been harassed for the faux sear pin holes? View Quote Ricky. The "pin" that I have in mine is actually 2 pin "nubs". They are about .040 long, which to the unprecise, is less than a 1/16". They are not located in the correct position, so could not be used to locate a "happy pin". In essence, they are no different from a dent or ding that you might find on any receiver. A blind hole .030-.035 deep with a pin nub in it isn't any different from an engraved circle that many use to simulate a pin. That's just my opinion though. On another note.........I made a huge blunder when milling out the fire control pocket. The result of running several machines at the same time. DAMN. It doesn't affect the operation of the lower, but it's cosmetically "junk". I don't know if I'll send it off to be anodized or not. Probably relegate this lower to a "beater". The machine spindle tangled with the receiver tang? (the threaded hoop where the buffer tube screws into. You know how the flat on top of that tang has an angled surface on the rear of it?.......well this one now has a bevel/angle on the front side of it too. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr. I wouldn't mind so much if it were a 45 dollar lower, but this one started life as a NoDak A1 80%er. Did I say damn yet? damn. |
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Ricky. The "pin" that I have in mine is actually 2 pin "nubs". They are about .040 long, which to the unprecise, is less than a 1/16". They are not located in the correct position, so could not be used to locate a "happy pin". In essence, they are no different from a dent or ding that you might find on any receiver. A blind hole .030-.035 deep with a pin nub in it isn't any different from an engraved circle that many use to simulate a pin. That's just my opinion though. On another note.........I made a huge blunder when milling out the fire control pocket. The result of running several machines at the same time. DAMN. It doesn't affect the operation of the lower, but it's cosmetically "junk". I don't know if I'll send it off to be anodized or not. Probably relegate this lower to a "beater". The machine spindle tangled with the receiver tang? (the threaded hoop where the buffer tube screws into. You know how the flat on top of that tang has an angled surface on the rear of it?.......well this one now has a bevel/angle on the front side of it too. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr. I wouldn't mind so much if it were a 45 dollar lower, but this one started life as a NoDak A1 80%er. Did I say damn yet? damn. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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That looks nice stoner . Has anyone been harassed for the faux sear pin holes? Ricky. The "pin" that I have in mine is actually 2 pin "nubs". They are about .040 long, which to the unprecise, is less than a 1/16". They are not located in the correct position, so could not be used to locate a "happy pin". In essence, they are no different from a dent or ding that you might find on any receiver. A blind hole .030-.035 deep with a pin nub in it isn't any different from an engraved circle that many use to simulate a pin. That's just my opinion though. On another note.........I made a huge blunder when milling out the fire control pocket. The result of running several machines at the same time. DAMN. It doesn't affect the operation of the lower, but it's cosmetically "junk". I don't know if I'll send it off to be anodized or not. Probably relegate this lower to a "beater". The machine spindle tangled with the receiver tang? (the threaded hoop where the buffer tube screws into. You know how the flat on top of that tang has an angled surface on the rear of it?.......well this one now has a bevel/angle on the front side of it too. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr. I wouldn't mind so much if it were a 45 dollar lower, but this one started life as a NoDak A1 80%er. Did I say damn yet? damn. I'll trade ya two fresh 80%'ers for it! OR just pick it out of your garbage can! My drill press hog job is so friggin hideous it can't be shown on ARFcom because it would be considered obscene! Works just fine and as long as you don't break it down you can't see it! |
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well.........here it is. What do you guys think.......go ahead and anodize it and use it? Just paint it and use it as a beater? Should I see if it is true that you can't Tig 7075........got a guy at work (welder) that can work magic on stainless and aluminum. He really is the best Tig'er I've ever known. I thought about taking another 80%'er and let him "test" on the area that gets milled out for the fire control pocket. http://i840.photobucket.com/albums/zz327/T00lmanii/P2100041_zpspgef3zkm.jpg http://i840.photobucket.com/albums/zz327/T00lmanii/P2100039_zpsrn0xbqg9.jpg View Quote Heck, I think it still looks great! If you find you can't live with it, I'd gladly buy it off you for the beater carbine I'm building. |
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Not even noticeable with charging handle in place. I would go ahead with it if it is perfect otherwise
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I'd vote to anodize & use. Can you mill a small dovetail & press-fit a piece in there to fill the chamfer? I'll bet it's barely noticeable as-is, especially after finishing.
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OMG! I just threw up in my mouth!
Anodize the dayum thing ya anal retentive OCD zealot! Ya can't even see it with the CH on it! JEEZ! Or just throw it away. |
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