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Posted: 7/20/2014 4:22:31 PM EDT
Hey everyone. I plan on buying a pre ban ar15. I live on ct. unfortunately so pre bans are the only legal ones. Im looking at a colt a2 sporter 2. They have one at my local gun store for 1800 thats in immaculate shape and comes with a letter from colt saying its a preban Or i can buy the same one online for 1200 thats still in good shape but not as good as the one at the store. What should i do?  I never bought a rifle online before.
Link Posted: 7/20/2014 4:59:28 PM EDT
[#1]
Most of us here have bought many firearms online and generally have had few problems, but you need to know who you're dealing with.
If the seller is a legitimate dealer or an online seller with lots of public feedback, you may be pretty safe, but if it's a private seller, I make sure I know who it is, where he lives, how to contact him, etc.  I make sure his name and street address and phone number all reconcile, and I'll google his name to try and find any background I can.  Speaking to him on the phone often helps ease my mind.

Most online sellers want paid by USPS money orders or credit card, both of which can help protect you.  If you pay by CC and don't get the item, call the credit card company and stop the payment.  They will help.  If you pay by MO and don't get the item, you can get proof that the seller cashed the MO (but it may cost a few bucks and take a while to get the proof).  You can also ask the post office for your options to get satisfaction.  Because fraud involving the post office is a federal offense, most sellers will probably try to avoid any legal entanglements.

Once you strike a deal with an online seller and pay (or arrange payment), you'll need to find a licensed gun dealer near you to transfer the rifle (you can NOT have the rifle shipped to you...it MUST be shipped to a licensed dealer in your state).  If you're buying from a private seller, ask your dealer if he's ok with transferring from a private seller.  Some dealers are hesitant to do so.
Once you select a dealer, you have to ask him to send the seller a copy of his FFL.  Once the seller has that, he will ship the rifle to the dealer.  When the rifle arrives at the dealer, he'll call you to come get it.  You show up, fill out the form 4473, pass the background check, pay the dealer his fee (figure anywhere from $25-40 in most areas)...and obey whatever other state laws you live under.

To start with, however, make sure you know what you're buying.  Ask for plenty of photos.  Ask specific questions about condition.  Find out what's included (mags? sling? case?).  

Make sure you're comfortable with what you're getting.  
Make sure you're comfortable with what you're paying.
Make sure you're comfortable with who you're buying from.
Oh, and make sure you know your state laws.

Nothing to it!
Link Posted: 7/20/2014 5:49:00 PM EDT
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Most of us here have bought many firearms online and generally have had few problems, but you need to know who you're dealing with.
If the seller is a legitimate dealer or an online seller with lots of public feedback, you may be pretty safe, but if it's a private seller, I make sure I know who it is, where he lives, how to contact him, etc.  I make sure his name and street address and phone number all reconcile, and I'll google his name to try and find any background I can.  Speaking to him on the phone often helps ease my mind.

Most online sellers want paid by USPS money orders or credit card, both of which can help protect you.  If you pay by CC and don't get the item, call the credit card company and stop the payment.  They will help.  If you pay by MO and don't get the item, you can get proof that the seller cashed the MO (but it may cost a few bucks and take a while to get the proof).  You can also ask the post office for your options to get satisfaction.  Because fraud involving the post office is a federal offense, most sellers will probably try to avoid any legal entanglements.

Once you strike a deal with an online seller and pay (or arrange payment), you'll need to find a licensed gun dealer near you to transfer the rifle (you can NOT have the rifle shipped to you...it MUST be shipped to a licensed dealer in your state).  If you're buying from a private seller, ask your dealer if he's ok with transferring from a private seller.  Some dealers are hesitant to do so.
Once you select a dealer, you have to ask him to send the seller a copy of his FFL.  Once the seller has that, he will ship the rifle to the dealer.  When the rifle arrives at the dealer, he'll call you to come get it.  You show up, fill out the form 4473, pass the background check, pay the dealer his fee (figure anywhere from $25-40 in most areas)...and obey whatever other state laws you live under.

To start with, however, make sure you know what you're buying.  Ask for plenty of photos.  Ask specific questions about condition.  Find out what's included (mags? sling? case?).  

Make sure you're comfortable with what you're getting.  
Make sure you're comfortable with what you're paying.
Make sure you're comfortable with who you're buying from.
Oh, and make sure you know your state laws.

Nothing to it!
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He's ^^^^^ got you covered! Can't add to it.
Link Posted: 7/21/2014 2:18:18 AM EDT
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Thats awesome. Thanks you!  What should i do though?  I mean i know im going to be paying more at the store than online, but im i can know what im buying there. What i mean to ask is the guy at the store crazy for being firm on 1800 for a pre ban ar in a state where you can buy post banned and newer ar's?
Link Posted: 7/21/2014 4:16:49 AM EDT
[#4]
WOW!  OLGunner's post is almost worth a sticky.......great!
Link Posted: 7/21/2014 4:20:50 AM EDT
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WOW!  OLGunner's post is almost worth a sticky.......great!
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Link Posted: 7/21/2014 8:42:57 AM EDT
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Maybe post done pics here. The expert can tell you
If what you think you are getting is actually what you are getting
Link Posted: 7/21/2014 8:58:16 AM EDT
[#7]
only thing to add to olgunner's primer is

shipping a long gun within residents of the same state is not prohibited by federal law but check your local laws.  it does not require a ffl do the transfer and is treated the same as a face to face according to the atf

https://www.atf.gov/content/firearms-frequently-asked-questions-unlicensed-persons
Q: May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?

A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another State. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.

   [18 U.S.C. 1715, 922(a)(3), 922(a)(5) and 922 (a)(2)(A)]
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and the thing w/ the usps money order offering additional protection is mostly false.  there have been plenty of members who have been defrauded using a USPS MO and the postmaster at most will point you to file a fraud report.  there are so many cases of fraud that unless it is for a lot of money, no one will look into it.  it's buyer beware.  

i was nearly ripped off on a pistol purchase years ago when they received my funds and stopped communicating.  being a small town that he resided in, a call to the local pd got an officer to stop by and got him to ship it.  i doubt larger cities would do that.
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