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Posted: 10/7/2011 7:28:31 AM EDT
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Navy 604's:
I've heard all of the 603 production was slated for issue to Army and USMC units. Since they were in combat they wouldn't accept a diversion of production to "non-combat" troops. The Air Force was willing to have a portion of their 604 (M16) production be diverted since guys in North Dakota could guard the planes just fine with M1 Carbines. The SEALs, being combat and requiring very small numbers could draw from USMC stock with little effect on issue to line units. |
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Posted: 10/17/2011 9:04:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Z09SS: Navy 604's: I've heard all of the 603 production was slated for issue to Army and USMC units. Since they were in combat they wouldn't accept a diversion of production to "non-combat" troops. The Air Force was willing to have a portion of their 604 (M16) production be diverted since guys in North Dakota could guard the planes just fine with M1 Carbines. The SEALs, being combat and requiring very small numbers could draw from USMC stock with little effect on issue to line units. Very interesting, thanks for posting. As a 604 (replica) owner, I've wondered why so many Brown Water Navy sailors had them, even though the 604 was supposed to be an Air Force-only model. Another 604 in Navy hands pic that I came across recently:  |
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Posted: 11/5/2011 9:52:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TexasRifleman]
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The following pictures are from Jason Hardy's excellent books, SOG Team History and Insignia of a Clandestine Army, part 1 and 2.
Roger Smith, 1-0 RT Hawaii, October 1971 
Roger Smith, 1-0 RT Hawaii, October 1971 
Spider Trantanella, 1-2 RT Idaho, January 1971 
Spider Trantanella, 1-2 RT Idaho, January 1971 
William Gabbard, 1-1 RT Rattler, September 1968 - May 1969 
Richard Hoffman, 1-2 RT Hawaii, pre-October 1969 
John St Martin, 1-1 RT New York, March 1969 - August 14, 1969 
John St Martin, 1-1 RT New York, March 1969 - August 14, 1969 
John St Martin, 1-1 RT New York, March 1969 - August 14, 1969 
John St Martin, unknown date 
Bobby Pruett, 1-0 RT New York, December 1971 - March 1972 
Bobby Pruett, 1-0 RT New York, December 1971 - March 1972 (What is called a "Colt Scope" here is actually a Normark Single Point sight.) 
Bobby Pruett, 1-0 RT New York, December 1971 - March 1972 
Bobby Pruett, 1-0 RT New York, December 1971 - March 1972 
Bobby Pruett, 1-0 RT New York, December 1971 - March 1972 
see picture 
Sammy McDaniel, 1-1 RT Maryland, January 1971 - April 1971 
Sammy McDaniel, 1-1 RT Maryland, January 1971 - April 1971 
Clarence McCormick, 1-2 ST New York, 1966 |
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Posted: 11/5/2011 9:55:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TexasRifleman]
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The following pictures are from John Plaster's excellent book, SOG: A Photo History Of The Secret Wars.
John Plaster 
Note Oxford Lightning Illuminated Gunsight. This was an actual red dot sight powered by a pair of AA batteries, not an occluded sight. 
From The American Rifleman, January 1969 |
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Posted: 11/5/2011 11:41:05 PM EDT
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Also, note the trigger guard on Ben Thompson's CAR-15; the pin has been pushed out and he folded it back and taped it up, giving him that much faster of a drop on the NVA. Not the first modded trigger guard I've run across in my SOG research; crazy bastards, those recon guys were. I love 'em.
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Posted: 11/7/2011 1:21:18 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TexasRifleman: The following pictures are from John Plaster's excellent book, SOG: A Photo History Of The Secret Wars. http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff517/TexasRetro556/IMG_2888.jpg http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff517/TexasRetro556/IMG_2890.jpg Wow, WW2 canvas leggings in 1971.  |
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Posted: 11/8/2011 12:06:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TexasRifleman]
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AN/PVS-2 on XM16E1. Note dimpled safety on early 603. The rest of these pics are some I found on the hard drive and just uploaded. I don't know if they're reposts, but if they are, I'll take 'em down. 
and gun trucks! 
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Posted: 11/9/2011 1:41:11 AM EDT
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Here is a picture of my uncle holding his rifle with full fence lower receiver and 3 prong flash hider in Chu-Lai 1967. I asked him about it and if he knew what the white mark on the mag well was but he doesn't know. (DOD acceptance stamp?) He says he didn't really like it compared to the M14, he liked the longer rifle with wood stock. He arrived in Vietnam in May of 1967 so we get an idea of when this rifle was made, it doesn't look beat-up so this might be how it was manufactured. I pointed out the 3 prong and he said he didn't have it changed / put on. |
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Posted: 11/10/2011 11:17:12 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By somebob:
http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l626/somebob/XM16E1/08-1967_scaled.jpg http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l626/somebob/XM16E1/08-1967_scaled_detail.jpg Here is a picture of my uncle holding his rifle with full fence lower receiver and 3 prong flash hider in Chu-Lai 1967. I asked him about it and if he knew what the white mark on the mag well was but he doesn't know. (DOD acceptance stamp?) He says he didn't really like it compared to the M14, he liked the longer rifle with wood stock. He arrived in Vietnam in May of 1967 so we get an idea of when this rifle was made, it doesn't look beat-up so this might be how it was manufactured. I pointed out the 3 prong and he said he didn't have it changed / put on. Looks like a new XM16E1 to me. |
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Posted: 11/12/2011 2:43:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/15/2011 6:06:55 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DM1975:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By DM1975:
What about that flash supressor? Does it not look a bit odd? Looks like an A1 hider to me. Maybe if it were a stubby, stunted growth A1 flash hider. That sucker is shorter than a regular A1 unless it is just an effect of the lense on the camera. Looks like a very short one in this pic posted many pages back as well: 
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Posted: 11/15/2011 6:17:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/15/2011 6:30:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TexasRifleman:
M113 chassis mounted in the bed of a truck... That's freakin cool! |
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Posted: 11/15/2011 7:01:58 PM EDT
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Oddities:
Christian Phalangist Militiaman in a Beirut street battle, 1978 
Other than it's a Life magazine photo, I know nothing about it: 
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CA, USA
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Posted: 11/15/2011 8:47:36 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lumpy196: Other than it's a Life magazine photo, I know nothing about it: http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c55/ChrisV196/ARF%20junk/k247310_hotgirl602.jpg Wow, that's sexy.  Duckbill flash hider looks like a 601. Even has a waffle mag. |
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Posted: 11/15/2011 9:28:29 PM EDT
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skidman where did you get this pic from? check out the two M715s in the back ground
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Posted: 11/16/2011 6:38:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By warwick:
skidman where did you get this pic from? check out the two M715s in the back ground
That picture was taken in Korea in 1970. I drove one of the M715's in the back ground. |
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Posted: 11/17/2011 3:59:25 PM EDT
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Awesome! Most original XM177 shots I have ever seen. I wonder, are there any images of the SOG troops carrying MAC-10s in that book. I am also surprised by the frequency that they made those field mod forward grips, didnt think it was so common.
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Posted: 11/17/2011 5:37:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By xm177e2687: Awesome! Most original XM177 shots I have ever seen. I wonder, are there any images of the SOG troops carrying MAC-10s in that book. I am also surprised by the frequency that they made those field mod forward grips, didnt think it was so common. I've not seen any MAC-10s in the hands of SOG guys but that doesn't mean they didn't use them to some capacity. I do remember hearing a story about one of the first HALO jumps that a recon team made into Laos and I think a few guys opted to use the MAC-10 because it was so small and they had so much gear but once they got on the ground, they quickly wished they'd packed their CAR-15s.  |
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Posted: 11/18/2011 6:17:54 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By skidman:
Originally Posted By warwick:
skidman where did you get this pic from? check out the two M715s in the back ground
That picture was taken in Korea in 1970. I drove one of the M715's in the back ground. skidman thank you for your service. I would like to here what you and the other GIs thought about the M715s. Do you have any more pictures of M715s in service? |
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Posted: 11/18/2011 10:02:26 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By xm177e2687:
Awesome! Most original XM177 shots I have ever seen. I wonder, are there any images of the SOG troops carrying MAC-10s in that book. I am also surprised by the frequency that they made those field mod forward grips, didnt think it was so common. I've not seen any MAC-10s in the hands of SOG guys but that doesn't mean they didn't use them to some capacity. I do remember hearing a story about one of the first HALO jumps that a recon team made into Laos and I think a few guys opted to use the MAC-10 because it was so small and they had so much gear but once they got on the ground, they quickly wished they'd packed their CAR-15s.
They often used Uzis during HALO jumps, according to Plaster's book. I've seen no mention of SOG using MACs. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 11/18/2011 3:36:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By warwick:
Originally Posted By skidman:
Originally Posted By warwick:
skidman where did you get this pic from? check out the two M715s in the back ground
That picture was taken in Korea in 1970. I drove one of the M715's in the back ground. skidman thank you for your service. I would like to here what you and the other GIs thought about the M715s. Do you have any more pictures of M715s in service? Your welcome. I didn't think that it was a bad vehicle. But we got awful wet during the Korean monsoon, due to the armistice agreement, when operating above the 38th parallel, the vehicle had to be open and the floors had to be sand bagged. These are all of the pictures that I have of the M715. 
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Posted: 11/19/2011 6:02:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By skidman:
Originally Posted By warwick:
Originally Posted By skidman:
Originally Posted By warwick:
skidman where did you get this pic from? check out the two M715s in the back ground
That picture was taken in Korea in 1970. I drove one of the M715's in the back ground. skidman thank you for your service. I would like to here what you and the other GIs thought about the M715s. Do you have any more pictures of M715s in service? Your welcome. I didn't think that it was a bad vehicle. But we got awful wet during the Korean monsoon, due to the armistice agreement, when operating above the 38th parallel, the vehicle had to be open and the floors had to be sand bagged. These are all of the pictures that I have of the M715. http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/skidman/42.jpg http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/skidman/46.jpg http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/skidman/48.jpg thanks for the posting the pics, with your permission I would like to post them on a M715 website. here is a link M715Zone here is a pic of my '68 M715 
sorry for the hijack  now back to retro M16s
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Posted: 11/19/2011 6:26:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TexasRifleman: Originally Posted By RTUtah: Originally Posted By xm177e2687: Awesome! Most original XM177 shots I have ever seen. I wonder, are there any images of the SOG troops carrying MAC-10s in that book. I am also surprised by the frequency that they made those field mod forward grips, didnt think it was so common. I've not seen any MAC-10s in the hands of SOG guys but that doesn't mean they didn't use them to some capacity. I do remember hearing a story about one of the first HALO jumps that a recon team made into Laos and I think a few guys opted to use the MAC-10 because it was so small and they had so much gear but once they got on the ground, they quickly wished they'd packed their CAR-15s. They often used Uzis during HALO jumps, according to Plaster's book. I've seen no mention of SOG using MACs. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I believe you're right; I think they HALO'd with the Uzi. |
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Posted: 11/19/2011 6:29:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: skidman]
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Originally Posted By warwick:
Originally Posted By skidman:
Originally Posted By warwick:
Originally Posted By skidman:
Originally Posted By warwick:
skidman where did you get this pic from? check out the two M715s in the back ground
That picture was taken in Korea in 1970. I drove one of the M715's in the back ground. skidman thank you for your service. I would like to here what you and the other GIs thought about the M715s. Do you have any more pictures of M715s in service? Your welcome. I didn't think that it was a bad vehicle. But we got awful wet during the Korean monsoon, due to the armistice agreement, when operating above the 38th parallel, the vehicle had to be open and the floors had to be sand bagged. These are all of the pictures that I have of the M715. http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/skidman/42.jpg http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/skidman/46.jpg http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/skidman/48.jpg thanks for the posting the pics, with your permission I would like to post them on a M715 website. here is a link M715Zone here is a pic of my '68 M715 http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff471/warwick715/oldphotoavator.jpg sorry for the hijack now back to retro M16s
Nice looking vehicle that you have, I'd like to have one to restore to it's original military condition. You have my permission. Just don't tell anyone that it's me behind the wheel in the last picture, because it gives away my age! OLD. Now back to the retro forum. 
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Posted: 11/21/2011 12:19:48 AM EDT
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Found this one, if you go to the page it comes from you can click to view a very large version of it.
Page with link: http://people.desktopnexus.com/wallpaper/71522/ ETA: When you click the link to view the larger image the site auto detects your screen resolution and creates / crops the image for you. (dumb) There is a options menu on the page that lets you download different sizes / original image. ETA: Getting the full size image can be difficult, here is a direct link that might work: http://static.desktopnexus.com/owallpaper/71522-1600x1104-Image0188.jpg?st=Vc1AL4UticlEFHn0ENRN7Q&e=1345998222 |
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Posted: 11/21/2011 8:38:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Morg308:
Originally Posted By somebob:
http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l626/somebob/XM16E1/08-1967_scaled.jpg http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l626/somebob/XM16E1/08-1967_scaled_detail.jpg Here is a picture of my uncle holding his rifle with full fence lower receiver and 3 prong flash hider in Chu-Lai 1967. I asked him about it and if he knew what the white mark on the mag well was but he doesn't know. (DOD acceptance stamp?) He says he didn't really like it compared to the M14, he liked the longer rifle with wood stock. He arrived in Vietnam in May of 1967 so we get an idea of when this rifle was made, it doesn't look beat-up so this might be how it was manufactured. I pointed out the 3 prong and he said he didn't have it changed / put on. Looks like a new XM16E1 to me. They made XM16E1s with full-fence lower receivers? |
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Posted: 11/27/2011 8:51:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Morg308]
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Originally Posted By MaximRecoil:
Originally Posted By Morg308:
Originally Posted By somebob:
http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l626/somebob/XM16E1/08-1967_scaled.jpg http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l626/somebob/XM16E1/08-1967_scaled_detail.jpg Here is a picture of my uncle holding his rifle with full fence lower receiver and 3 prong flash hider in Chu-Lai 1967. I asked him about it and if he knew what the white mark on the mag well was but he doesn't know. (DOD acceptance stamp?) He says he didn't really like it compared to the M14, he liked the longer rifle with wood stock. He arrived in Vietnam in May of 1967 so we get an idea of when this rifle was made, it doesn't look beat-up so this might be how it was manufactured. I pointed out the 3 prong and he said he didn't have it changed / put on. Looks like a new XM16E1 to me. They made XM16E1s with full-fence lower receivers? Yes, in fact, they did. The transitional weapons had features of both. Alternatively, the USMC replaced the bird cages with improved 3-prongs - I wonder if his uncle was in the Corp? Maybe someone can tell from the pic, or he could chime in. Either way, 1967 was a transitional year. Even an M16A1 would have had a 'D' stock at that time for instance, with a C MP C barrel. Come to think of it, wasn't Chu-Lai Marine Corps territory? |
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Posted: 11/27/2011 9:44:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: somebob]
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Originally Posted By Morg308:
Originally Posted By MaximRecoil:
Originally Posted By Morg308:
Originally Posted By somebob:
http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l626/somebob/XM16E1/08-1967_scaled.jpg http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l626/somebob/XM16E1/08-1967_scaled_detail.jpg Here is a picture of my uncle holding his rifle with full fence lower receiver and 3 prong flash hider in Chu-Lai 1967. I asked him about it and if he knew what the white mark on the mag well was but he doesn't know. (DOD acceptance stamp?) He says he didn't really like it compared to the M14, he liked the longer rifle with wood stock. He arrived in Vietnam in May of 1967 so we get an idea of when this rifle was made, it doesn't look beat-up so this might be how it was manufactured. I pointed out the 3 prong and he said he didn't have it changed / put on. Looks like a new XM16E1 to me. They made XM16E1s with full-fence lower receivers? Yes, in fact, they did. The transitional weapons had features of both. Alternatively, the USMC replaced the bird cages with improved 3-prongs - I wonder if his uncle was in the Corp? Maybe someone can tell from the pic, or he could chime in. Either way, 1967 was a transitional year. Even an M16A1 would have had a 'D' stock at that time for instance, with a C MP C barrel. Come to think of it, wasn't Chu-Lai Marine Corps territory? My uncle was in the Army, he worked with fuel / logistics so he worked with people in the Navy, Marines, and I think the Air Force too. The rifle was his, he didn't really like it compared to the M14 and can't remember any details about it. I asked if he had the flash hider changed and he said he didn't have a bird cage flash hider changed to a 3 prong. I emailed him about my post and that he was holding an unusual transitional rifle and it was useful information because the way he dated the photos. (They are Polaroids so he probably dated them as they came out of the camera) I pieced together a 603 that I thought would be similar to my uncle's without knowing this photograph existed and as it turns out I was accidentally more correct than I thought. I have since changed the bird cage flash hider to a 3 prong to match my uncle's photo. (my post) Real full fence XM16E1 for sale, Thread about it ETA: Looking at the pictures of the real full fence XM16E1 again I just noticed the bolt catch roll pin boss is round, not square. |
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Posted: 12/6/2011 5:04:44 PM EDT
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Here is a picture of a group of Special Forces members in duck hunter camo along with a group of South Vietnamese. I didn't notice it until very recently but, to the right of center of the photo you can see a 601 being held by one of the Americans. See the barrel and OD handguard?
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/carbinekid/1964specialforces2.jpg |
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Posted: 12/7/2011 11:40:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Morg308]
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Why we didn't issue that camo I'll never understand. ERDL was better than Woodland as well. I think it was Congress making decisions for the military based on 600,000 OD uniforms in a warehouse somewhere. The Germans really understood camo - We STILL don't have camo as good as they had in WWII. WTF over.
ETA: BTW, it looks like the guy just to his left, just to the right rear of the speaker, has one also. Damn I love 601s and 602s. Oh, and duckhunter camo too! ETA2: Notice the guy just over the left shoulder of the speaker at the rear of the pic wearing FFL Lizard camo. |
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Posted: 12/10/2011 8:56:50 PM EDT
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Holy shit; the soldier on the right looks like it is my uncle Mike (Mom's brother.) I am copying and sending over to him!!!!! Thank you for finding this relic!
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Posted: 12/11/2011 12:15:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: b_rogers]
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Originally Posted By Morg308:
Why we didn't issue that camo I'll never understand. ERDL was better than Woodland as well. I think it was Congress making decisions for the military based on 600,000 OD uniforms in a warehouse somewhere. The Germans really understood camo - We STILL don't have camo as good as they had in WWII. WTF over. ETA: BTW, it looks like the guy just to his left, just to the right rear of the speaker, has one also. Damn I love 601s and 602s. Oh, and duckhunter camo too! ETA2: Notice the guy just over the left shoulder of the speaker at the rear of the pic wearing FFL Lizard camo. The adviser speaking is seen with a 602 in some photos from that same issue, ill see if i can find em. |
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Posted: 12/11/2011 7:42:50 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Rojodiablo: Holy shit; the soldier on the right looks like it is my uncle Mike (Mom's brother.) I am copying and sending over to him!!!!! Thank you for finding this relic!The guy on the right is Charles Borg; he was a member of CCN's Hatchet Force. The guy far left is John "Tilt" Meyer and at center is John "Bubba" Shore. |
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Posted: 12/27/2011 1:47:23 AM EDT
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This is my uncle in Nam in 67 cant see the M16s really but I thought id post anyway
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Posted: 1/3/2012 4:57:50 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By GI-45:
Some images that I've pulled from the films in my Vietnam War documentaries thread: 25th Infantry Division troopers, circa 1968. Note the 30-round magazine: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/rhurst1945/Vietnam%20War/30_round_1968.jpg 25th Infantry Division soldier firing an XM177E1, circa 1968: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/rhurst1945/Vietnam%20War/xm177e2_25th.jpg US Army advisor with Colt 601, circa 1963-64. Note the waffle mag: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/rhurst1945/Vietnam%20War/601.jpg I think the guy in the Stetson is TC, from Magnum P.I. |
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Posted: 1/25/2012 12:24:34 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/28/2012 12:25:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 243winxb]
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deleted, wrong area.
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Posted: 1/30/2012 9:25:04 AM EDT
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From the archived Rhodesian Army thread:
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Posted: 1/30/2012 11:22:24 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RTUtah:
From the archived Rhodesian Army thread: http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j252/25chuck/Military/RHodesianM16.jpg 
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Posted: 1/30/2012 1:41:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RTUtah:
From the archived Rhodesian Army thread: 16" or 17" barrel AR15, looks like a slick side upper, with the moderator and ring Augee pointed out. Is that a carbine stock, as well? He also has a Gerber knife. Guy behind him has a cut down M14? What does the third guy have? |
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Posted: 1/30/2012 8:44:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TexasRifleman: Originally Posted By RTUtah: From the archived Rhodesian Army thread: http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j252/25chuck/Military/RHodesianM16.jpg 16" or 17" barrel AR15, looks like a slick side upper, with the moderator and ring Augee pointed out. Is that a carbine stock, as well? He also has a Gerber knife. Guy behind him has a cut down M14? What does the third guy have? Think I see the shadow of the FA pawl on his wrist. Guessing the dude in the back has an FAL. Augee, would the moderator provide any sort of sound suppression on a rifle gas system? Probably just a rifle cobbled together out of spare parts. |
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Posted: 2/1/2012 4:21:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Krautling]
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Think I see the shadow of the FA pawl on his wrist. Guessing the dude in the back has an FAL.
Augee, would the moderator provide any sort of sound suppression on a rifle gas system? Probably just a rifle cobbled together out of spare parts. It could even be the guys privately owned gun, they had an Arms Embargo back then and used EVERYTHING. Their Standard Rifle was an FN FAL but they used everything they could get their hands on. No kidding, they even used Lee Enfield bolt action rifles.... The gun of the third guy looks like a sten, but it´s hard to tell. Second guys one looks like an FAL. As for the moderator: Why would it work any worse then on a CAR 15?!?! Ever heard of a suppressor/muzzle brake/flashhider that suddenly wouldn´t work anymore once you put it on a 20" barrel? 
If Al Gore would´ve invented the internet some time earlier and AR15.com would´ve been around back then, the guy who built it would have signed up here... It´s not cobbled together, it´s a CUSTOM Build
Maybe he shortened the barrel and ran it with a normal FH usually, but put the Moderator on as an afterthought because it gave him an advantage on an actual battlefield, if only cutting down/redirecting the muzzle blast so it´s a tad easier to use in low light conditions... |
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Posted: 2/5/2012 8:19:54 AM EDT
[#44]
Originally Posted By TexasRifleman:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
From the archived Rhodesian Army thread: http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j252/25chuck/Military/RHodesianM16.jpg 16" or 17" barrel AR15, looks like a slick side upper, with the moderator and ring Augee pointed out. Is that a carbine stock, as well? He also has a Gerber knife. Guy behind him has a cut down M14? What does the third guy have? Guy #2 has an M1 Garand, I think. You can see that the handguard is two-piece with the lower band that pins to the barrel between the upper and lower handguards is cupped in the open palm of his left hand. |
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Posted: 2/5/2012 1:25:18 PM EDT
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Interesting way to carry canteens.
 I'm wondering if the last weapon might be a Swedish K. Could the second guy have a BM59, or do you guys think it's a Garand? Now you know why they call them 'irregulars' LOL.
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Posted: 2/5/2012 7:48:02 PM EDT
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Those aren't Rhodesian regulars, they are private security types of some sort. There was a whole article about them in an old SOF magazine.
There is some info here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_123/509520_.html Notice he also has a commercial Colt 1911 in his shoulder holster. |
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Posted: 2/10/2012 7:45:22 PM EDT
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I said 'irregular' as in irregular forces. I agree w/you Steve - exactly what I thought.
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Posted: 2/11/2012 2:12:16 PM EDT
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I am just getting into the RETRO clone thing I have been doing more modern clones. M4 Sopmod Block II, MK12 Mod 0 and 1 and MK18 Mod 0. I am wanting to do a M16A2 with 40mm with 37mm tube I was wondering if someone could email me some correct build info and photos [email protected]
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Posted: 2/13/2012 10:15:32 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By MarioMarietta:
I am just getting into the RETRO clone thing I have been doing more modern clones. M4 Sopmod Block II, MK12 Mod 0 and 1 and MK18 Mod 0. I am wanting to do a M16A2 with 40mm with 37mm tube I was wondering if someone could email me some correct build info and photos [email protected] Start a thread in the A2 forum, just below this one. ~Augee |
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Posted: 2/14/2012 6:12:04 PM EDT
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