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Link Posted: 4/29/2012 11:08:11 PM EDT
[#1]
Originally Posted By TitleII:
This is a work in progress. I need everyone to review what I post and recommend changes.

First, This is my first time doing something like this and with everyones help we can come up with a valid list.

I don't know what state laws are, so one someone says GTG if registered, I don't know what that means.  are all handguns registered or just AR15 variant pistols?

When people say things like...as far a I know they are good to go.  I think they are OK.  then I didn't give the state a NKR or what we will not change to GTG  I was hoping to get 2 GTGs for each state before I declared a state GTG.

So, help me do this.  Don't use I THINK and don't tell me they need to be registered without explaining.

I will listen to any input as to how to do this better.

Just Sayin!



Hello Nice work here...
I'd like to see some clarity about registration

I'm an IL resident frequently I travel out of state, I have a FOID card and I have a Utah CC permit (maybe someday I'll be able to CC in my own State)
I'm always looking at the guns laws where I travel as I don't want to break any Laws

In a few weeks I'm going to UP of MI, one of my buddies  Hunting Camp and I'm planing on bringing a few weapons with me including a couple Handguns and my new AR 15 9MM pistol 7.5"  
Target practice and test out some new toys
So far it looks like I"m GTG From what I've read, I have a couple of LEO friends up there I'll be trying to contact this week.
Residents have to register but it looks like I'm  legal  due to my FOID and Utah permit as long as I don't CC and transport properly, Looks Like I could Open Carry, but I wouldn't I don't like to advertise nor do I want any extra attention
Link Posted: 5/23/2012 9:40:51 PM EDT
[#2]
Rhode Island is GTG

They are treated as any other pistol.
Link Posted: 5/25/2012 10:36:25 PM EDT
[#3]
Added Rhode Island

Originally Posted By compuvette:

Alabama..............................GTG, no restrictions, but bbl less than 12" is considered a "pistol" and regulated as such for CC purposes (Ala. Code 13A-11-70(1)).
Alaska
American Samoa
Arizona.................................GTG
Arkansas................................GTG x 1 90%
California..............................GTG with bullet button - California Penal Code § 12276.1(a)(4) , California Code of Regulations § 5469(a)

Colorado..................GTG, no restriction, but bbl 12" or less regulated by handgun statute (C.R.S. 18-12-101(1)(e.5)). Denver 20 rd max, may not apply to pistol (D.C. 38-130)
Connecticut.......................NO, complete ban. Defined here: Conn. Gen. Stat. 53-202(a). Prohibited here: Conn. Gen. Stat. 53-202(c).
Delaware
District of Columbia...............NO, assault weapons defined as:  DC Official Code § 7-2501.01(3A)
Florida.................................GTG
Georgia.................................GTG x1
Guam
Hawaii..................................NO, but maybe with bullet button - Hawaii Revised Statutes § 134-1

Idaho
Illinois................................GTG except complete ban in Cook county (CCC 54-212(a)).
Indiana...............................GTG, IC 35-47-1-6 not a restriction on OAL.
Iowa....................................GTG
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana...............................GTG x1 at 99%
Maine
Maryland................................OK to build but not sell
Massachusetts...........................NO, but "maybe" if owned before 1994 and you have some special paperwork

Michigan................................GTG with registration? less than 30 inches
Minnesota...............................GTG x1
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana.................................GTG x1
Nebraska
Nevada..................................GTG -
Nevada Revised Statutes 202.253-369
New Hampshire
New Jersey.....................................NG
New Mexico
New York ...................................Restricted - see expired Federal Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 (pre-ban is GTG––all must be licensed)
North Carolina..........................GTG x1
North Dakota
Northern Marianas Islands
Ohio....................................GTG
Oklahoma................................GTG, but no concealed carry - Oklahoma Statutes, Title 21 § 1290.2.2.a

Oregon
Pennsylvania....................GTG. http://nraila.org/gun-laws/articles/2010/compendium-of-state-firearms-laws.aspx
Puerto Rico
Rhode Island.........................GTG, treated as any other firearm. If OAL under 26" firearm is considered a pistol. R.I. Gen. Laws 11-47-2(8).
South Carolina.......................GTG, no restrictions at all. http://nraila.org/gun-laws/articles/2010/compendium-of-state-firearms-laws.aspx
South Dakota
Tennessee...............................GTG
Texas............................................GTG 100% confirmed - treated as any other handgun
Utah
Vermont.................................GTG x1
Virginia...................................GTG X2
Virgin Islands
Washington..............................GTG x1
West Virginia...........................GTG - http://www.wvago.gov/pdf/BookletWVFirearmLaws.pdf
Wisconsin...............................GTG x1 at 99%
Wyoming


Link Posted: 5/31/2012 2:34:36 PM EDT
[#4]
Missouri is GTG.  In fact, you can use an AR pistol chambered larger than .223/5.56 to hunt with during both Regular and Black Powder seasons here.

We have some bummer/odd laws here, but in general the firearms ones are not.
Link Posted: 7/13/2012 4:17:14 PM EDT
[#5]
There are two variants legal in NY that aren't preban:  Bushmaster Type 97s (Carbon 15) and the swiss cheesed Olympic Arms one.

Other than that, no post ban AR pistol is legal unless you built an ultralight yourself on a poly stripped lower that had never been registered as a rifle.
Link Posted: 7/16/2012 7:39:06 PM EDT
[#6]
Oregon, No restrictions on AR pistols. GTG, .223 is legal for black bear,cougar,pronghorn, black tail/mule deer with pistols. .24 cal or larger for elk, bighorn, or rocky mt. goats, and western grey squirrels and pigs are at your discretion.
xacex
Link Posted: 7/26/2012 10:48:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JAD] [#7]
Originally Posted By Pain:
Connecticut they are banned by features, unless made as a pistol and was legally manufactured prior to September 13, 1994.



Here is part of the CT ASSAULT WEAPON LAW. These pistols banned by features. Read below.

(B) A semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:

(i) An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;

(ii) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip or silencer;

(iii) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;

(iv) A manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded


Let's clarify just a tinch. In Connecticut, MOST, but not all,  AR pistols are not legal because of their features. However, it is possible for a Connecticut resident to lawfully possess an AR-type pistol under numerous circumstances.

1. If the pistol were a banned make/ model, it could be owned a certificate of possession. Unless there is a Colt AR-15 marked AR pistol out there, I don't believe that there are any AR-15 pistols grandfathered on certificates of possession out there. Transfer of named assault weapons is tightly regulated by state law.  

2. Preban. There are some preban AR-15 pistols out there, or firearms that qualify as pistols which were built on preban receivers. These AR pistols may be transfered like any other pistol  and would command a hefty premium.

3. Feature compliant post-ban. This speaks for itself. If the pistol was made after 13 SEP 1994, it may not have more than 1 of the features listed in Pain's post. There is actually an additional  clause, as well, which considers being a semi-auto version of a fully automatic firearm to be a criteria. Based on communications that I have had with CSP/ DPS SLFU, this subsection comes into play when the company building the pistol makes fully-auto version as well.

4.  Manually operated: Manually operatedd firearms are not covered by the assault weapons ban.  There is a CT poster in the NEHTF who does own a manually operated (bolt action) AR pistol. I believe his  is in a funky big bore round that is typically used for metallic sillouette shooting and hunting. The one thing to keep in mind, is that  with a drop in conversion kit, the firearm could be converted into a semi-automatic .22.  Connecticut's assault weapons ban does have a constructive possession clause.

5. Non-pistol firearms. Connecticut has a very specific state definition of what a "pistol" is. A "Pistol" is any firearm with a barrel over 12" long. What a member or two on the NEHTF have is buld pistol-style   firearms with longer barrels, which are not encumbered by the feature count.
Link Posted: 8/11/2012 6:50:55 AM EDT
[#8]
Wisconsin follows Federal Law regarding handguns and handgun transfer so long as you are 18.   Anyone over 18 may possess.   AR handguns are not treated differently.  You may even hunt with an AR handgun with a drum mag.
Link Posted: 9/30/2012 1:15:15 AM EDT
[#9]
I gotta find out about Maine, i would love to build one if its allowed.
 
Link Posted: 10/23/2012 11:18:03 PM EDT
[#10]
I talked to Pennsylvania State Police firearms unit today about ar15 pistols just to be 100% about my upcoming build.  Essentially if you are purchasing a complete pistol then you must fill out the state handgun form along with your batfe 4473 form at your ffl.  However, if you purchase a stripped lower receiver you may construct a pistol and no pennsylvania handgun form is needed to be filled out after it is constructed.  Your pistol must meet batfe definitions of a pistol  The PSP trooper I talked sounded like he has answered this question a number of times.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 5:31:17 PM EDT
[#11]
I give Washington State a GTG x2 (already 1 GTG). Building one right now for a friend of mine that is a local city police officer. He's removing his 16" and carrying the pistol in a nice little Pelican case. He's also with S.W.A.T., and wants to carry his .308 in the cruiser, instead of the trunk. He said there is legislation to try and "re-classify" AR pistols in WA. But he also said they try it every year, and nothing changes. As long as it don't sit in the shoulder, your golden.
Link Posted: 11/28/2012 9:37:26 PM EDT
[#12]
After Jan 1, 2013
Michigan is 26" or less
___________________________

Unless your grandfathered in   at the previous 30" or less

some info on New law http://miafr.com/2012/10/23/summary-of-michigans-new-pistol-definition-law/
Link Posted: 11/30/2012 11:13:30 AM EDT
[#13]
Link Posted: 12/9/2012 1:14:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: OhShoot] [#14]
Originally Posted By iNeXile556:
No worries in the great state of Tennessee.


Well, though I've not heard of a case, TN statute does have a "12 or less barrel" in its definition of "handgun".

Just a minor something to consider if you were toting something around with your handgun carry permit with longer than 12" barrel.

Course, now, if it's also 26" or more overall, and if you put a vertical forward grip on it, it becomes a "firearm" instead of "handgun" to the BATF, but dunno if any given TN court would agree.

- OS
Link Posted: 12/15/2012 2:01:22 AM EDT
[#15]
Another here, backing the fact that California is good to go!!!

I just had one built for me locally (central California) by precision tactical, has the lame bullet button, registered as a single shot pistol, and had to leave his shop with a blocked magazine, only allowing a single round. By the book, he carried it out to my car, we popped his single shot mag out and I put my 10 round clip in... Good to go and fully compliant for California.

Jason
Link Posted: 12/17/2012 12:44:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Morg308] [#16]
Originally Posted By mamwny:
There are two variants legal in NY that aren't preban:  Bushmaster Type 97s (Carbon 15) and the swiss cheesed Olympic Arms one.

Other than that, no post ban AR pistol is legal unless you built an ultralight yourself on a poly stripped lower that had never been registered as a rifle.


So, since the Franklin Firearms XO-26 is technically not a pistol, it's legal in NY with 10 round or 'pre ban' mags right? Just kidding here - I wouldn't try it. Too many evil features as well. God I hope we don't go back to that BS soon.

Link Posted: 12/31/2012 6:03:16 AM EDT
[#17]
GTG in WVa.
Link Posted: 1/25/2013 8:54:16 AM EDT
[#18]
Michigan as of the 1st now has a 26 inch or less restriction.
Link Posted: 1/25/2013 8:06:09 PM EDT
[#19]
Connecticut is GTG........ONLY IF using a VIRGIN PREBAN lower receiver.
Link Posted: 1/30/2013 12:24:41 PM EDT
[#20]
NH you are GTG, it is considered a Pistol and is covered under you carry permit if you wish to carry it in your car according to every one I have talked to.
Link Posted: 1/30/2013 6:56:45 PM EDT
[#21]
I just want to double check to make sure Iowa is still GTG and that no laws have changed for whatever reason.
Link Posted: 2/7/2013 11:50:48 AM EDT
[#22]
I will second the motion on Washington State. I have built several AR pistols. I always start a build as a pistol because I can go on to rifle, but I have the option to return to pistol mode. Build one as a rifle, you are stuck with a rifle forever.


Alabama..............................GTG, no restrictions, but bbl less than 12" is considered a "pistol" and regulated as such for CC purposes (Ala. Code 13A-11-70(1)).
Alaska
American Samoa
Arizona.................................GTG
Arkansas................................GTG x 1 90%
California..............................GTG with bullet button - California Penal Code § 12276.1(a)(4) , California Code of Regulations § 5469(a)

Colorado..................GTG, no restriction, but bbl 12" or less regulated by handgun statute (C.R.S. 18-12-101(1)(e.5)). Denver 20 rd max, may not apply to pistol (D.C. 38-130)
Connecticut.......................NO, complete ban. Defined here: Conn. Gen. Stat. 53-202(a). Prohibited here: Conn. Gen. Stat. 53-202(c).
Delaware
District of Columbia...............NO, assault weapons defined as: DC Official Code § 7-2501.01(3A)
Florida.................................GTG
Georgia.................................GTG x1
Guam
Hawaii..................................NO, but maybe with bullet button - Hawaii Revised Statutes § 134-1

Idaho
Illinois................................GTG except complete ban in Cook county (CCC 54-212(a)).
Indiana...............................GTG, IC 35-47-1-6 not a restriction on OAL.
Iowa....................................GTG
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana...............................GTG x1 at 99%
Maine
Maryland................................OK to build but not sell
Massachusetts...........................NO, but "maybe" if owned before 1994 and you have some special paperwork

Michigan................................GTG with registration? less than 30 inches
Minnesota...............................GTG x1
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana.................................GTG x1
Nebraska
Nevada..................................GTG -
Nevada Revised Statutes 202.253-369
New Hampshire
New Jersey.....................................NG
New Mexico
New York ...................................Restricted - see expired Federal Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 (pre-ban is GTG––all must be licensed)
North Carolina..........................GTG x1
North Dakota
Northern Marianas Islands
Ohio....................................GTG
Oklahoma................................GTG, but no concealed carry - Oklahoma Statutes, Title 21 § 1290.2.2.a

Oregon
Pennsylvania....................GTG. http://nraila.org/gun-laws/articles/2010/compendium-of-state-firearms-laws.aspx
Puerto Rico
Rhode Island.........................GTG, treated as any other firearm. If OAL under 26" firearm is considered a pistol. R.I. Gen. Laws 11-47-2(8).
South Carolina.......................GTG, no restrictions at all. http://nraila.org/gun-laws/articles/2010/compendium-of-state-firearms-laws.aspx
South Dakota
Tennessee...............................GTG
Texas............................................GTG 100% confirmed - treated as any other handgun
Utah
Vermont.................................GTG x1
Virginia...................................GTG X2
Virgin Islands
Washington..............................GTG x2  http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3385&d=1280151535
West Virginia...........................GTG - http://www.wvago.gov/pdf/BookletWVFirearmLaws.pdf
Wisconsin...............................GTG x1 at 99%
Wyoming
Link Posted: 2/7/2013 7:22:37 PM EDT
[#23]
Does this mean the pistol must be less than 26"?  I'm curious because I visit Michigan on a regular basis.
Link Posted: 2/16/2013 2:25:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Plague5050] [#24]
UTAH is gtg - in fact there is legislation to allow the following here in UT. we are hoping and fighting that these get passed.

HB76 will allow any adult over 21 to conceal carry a weapon without a government permission slip (permit).

HB268 will make sure that police cannot charge a person with "disorderly conduct" for merely open carrying a weapon.

HB114 will uphold the Second Amendment as well as Article I Section 6 of the Utah Constitution, both of which declare that the individual right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. This bill states that no federal gun control law which restricts this right will be valid in Utah.

edit for spelling
Link Posted: 2/17/2013 3:35:42 AM EDT
[#25]
Alaska is more than GTG, also can be carried however you wish; open or concealed. No CC permit required in State of Alaska if over 21 with clean record(no felons,etc.)
Link Posted: 3/29/2013 6:53:53 PM EDT
[#26]
Utah is 100% good to go. I am wanting to start a pistol build soon
Link Posted: 4/18/2013 11:00:58 AM EDT
[#27]
When I lived in Virginia I was told that you cannot carry more than 20 rounds in a pistol so if we chose to carry an AR 15 pistol we could not use a 30 round magazine
Link Posted: 4/24/2013 6:05:58 PM EDT
[#28]
As for Masschusetts: you can register a virgin lower as an AOW to get away with having a post ban AR pistol. Below is taken from northeastshooters.com from the "MA-centric NFA FAQ:

"Pistols with a forward vertical grip: This is your ticket to a "post-post ban" pistol. The ONLY prevision of the AWB that can be bypassed by NFA registering a receiver is the "assault pistol" part. For example, if you take a virgin AR-15 receiver, and register it as an AOW, you can build it into essentially a legal "post-post-ban" pistol. You would need to make sure there is no easy way to put a stock on it, and it would need a forward vertical grip. Once it's an AOW, it doesn't meet the definition of a pistol anymore. This was done during the Federal ban by a few FFL/SOTs, mostly using Olympic OA-93 uppers, as they don't require a buffer tube of any kind. The receiver would have to start as a virgin, never assembled into anything before, Title I receiver."
Link Posted: 4/29/2013 4:44:58 PM EDT
[#29]
Originally Posted By DOMS:
Michigan as of the 1st now has a 26 inch or less restriction.


Well, this thread as I understand it is primarily concerned with the legality of ownership/possession of an AR pistol. The new Michigan law as I read it, refers primarily to the regulating of carrying the firearm (where for example, in the past where my folding stock AK between 26 and 30 inches was a rifle by Federal standards but a pistol by Michigan Standards, and therefore legal to carry concealed with my CPL, someone with the same weapon who did not register it as a pistol- as they were required to do- would now not be able to carry it as a pistol, as it ceases to be a pistol under Michigan law.

By the same token, an AR pistol (as defined a pistol under Federal law) would not be treated as a pistol under Michigan law if it were over 26 inches in length. That's the way I read it, though I wonder if there is now some contradiction with SBR? (Wouldn't that be ironic, it's illegal because the barrel is too long? Can't really see that one.
Link Posted: 4/29/2013 4:57:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TBoneDetroit] [#30]
Originally Posted By RSM:
Does this mean the pistol must be less than 26"?  I'm curious because I visit Michigan on a regular basis.


The way I read it, it means it won't qualify as a pistol (for the purposes of carrying with a CPL/CCW) if it is over 26 inches. I don't see it as an attempt to outlaw ownership of them, just to prohibit carry (I have a 12 gauge w/pistol grip and a folding stock AK47 that are both registered as pistols because they are between 26 and 30 inches, and technically I am legal to carry them- though I don't.

Actually, I was just thinking of building an AR pistol (the reason I'm reading all these stickies) and using it as a car gun. I'll now have to make sure it's under 26 inches (was thinking of a 7 inch barrel anyway, I just did some measuring, and I think I can do it. Will need to double check the length of a Carbine buffer tube, and I may need to forgo the Noveske FH I'd planned to use...
Link Posted: 6/4/2013 2:30:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SR712] [#31]
Originally Posted By chapperjoe:
When I lived in Virginia I was told that you cannot carry more than 20 rounds in a pistol so if we chose to carry an AR 15 pistol we could not use a 30 round magazine


The full text of VIRGINIA Code section is below:

§ 18.2-287.4. Carrying loaded firearms in public areas prohibited; penalty.

It shall be unlawful for any person to carry a loaded (a) semi-automatic center-fire rifle or pistol that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material and is equipped at the time of the offense with a magazine that will hold more than 20 rounds of ammunition or designed by the manufacturer to accommodate a silencer or equipped with a folding stock or (b) shotgun with a magazine that will hold more than seven rounds of the longest ammunition for which it is chambered on or about his person on any public street, road, alley, sidewalk, public right-of-way, or in any public park or any other place of whatever nature that is open to the public in the Cities of Alexandria, Chesapeake, Fairfax, Falls Church, Newport News, Norfolk, Richmond, or Virginia Beach or in the Counties of Arlington, Fairfax, Henrico, Loudoun, or Prince William.

The provisions of this section shall not apply to law-enforcement officers, licensed security guards, military personnel in the performance of their lawful duties, or any person having a valid concealed handgun permit or to any person actually engaged in lawful hunting or lawful recreational shooting activities at an established shooting range or shooting contest. Any person violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

The exemptions set forth in § 18.2-308 shall apply, mutatis mutandis, to the provisions of this section.




This is only applicable for carrying loaded , so not just carrying unloaded and also not possession. Also, not applicable if you are "...any person having a valid concealed handgun permit..."
Link Posted: 6/8/2013 11:05:04 AM EDT
[#32]
Here in TN, if you want to build a pistol . The lower receiver has to have been registered as "Other", or "Receiver". If the lower was EVER registered as a "Rifle", you cannot use it for a pistol build. So, YES there are restrictions in TN.

I don't know if this is a commonality between states or not, and I don't know if it's been mentioned here or not. But according to the "Chart" presented here, TN is GTG with no restrictions.
Link Posted: 6/10/2013 1:56:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TBoneDetroit] [#33]
Originally Posted By xtreme762:
Here in TN, if you want to build a pistol . The lower receiver has to have been registered as "Other", or "Receiver". If the lower was EVER registered as a "Rifle", you cannot use it for a pistol build. So, YES there are restrictions in TN.

I don't know if this is a commonality between states or not, and I don't know if it's been mentioned here or not. But according to the "Chart" presented here, TN is GTG with no restrictions.


Terminology is everything with the law. Do they really "register" rifles in TN? Or are you referring to to it being identified as a rifle on the form 4473 from the FFL?

WRT it having been a rifle in the past, that is a Federal law, if the receiver was ever* built as a rifle, it cannot be converted to a pistol (though if legal in your jurisdiction, it could be converted to a Short Barreled Rifle or SBR with the proper paperwork and $200 tax stamp).

Here in Michigan, SBRs are illegal (so much stranger now that machine guns and suppressors are legal!). But I want my current build as a pistol anyway, so it is legal for me to carry with my CPL (reminds me, I need to take my Michigan Pistol Sales Record in to the local police today for registration).

*ETA: I'm reminded by a post by "Oh Shoot" below that it is not whether it has ever been constructed as a rifle, but what it was constructed as first that counts with Federal law. If the receiver was first built as a pistol, it can be converted to a rifle, and then even back to a pistol if you wish. If on the other hand it was first constructed as a rifle, if you then make it a pistol, you've just made an SBR (and committed a Felony if not properly authorized by law, tax stamps, etc. etc.).
Link Posted: 6/10/2013 9:21:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: m411b30] [#34]
Originally Posted By TBoneDetroit:
Originally Posted By xtreme762:
Here in TN, if you want to build a pistol . The lower receiver has to have been registered as "Other", or "Receiver". If the lower was EVER registered as a "Rifle", you cannot use it for a pistol build. So, YES there are restrictions in TN.

I don't know if this is a commonality between states or not, and I don't know if it's been mentioned here or not. But according to the "Chart" presented here, TN is GTG with no restrictions.


Terminology is everything with the law. Do they really "register" rifles in TN? Or are you referring to to it being identified as a rifle on the form 4473 from the FFL?

WRT it having been a rifle in the past, that is a Federal law, if the receiver was ever built as a rifle, it cannot be converted to a pistol (though if legal in your jurisdiction, it could be converted to a Short Barreled Rifle or SBR with the proper paperwork and $200 tax stamp).

Here in Michigan, SBRs are illegal (so much stranger now that machine guns and suppressors are legal!). But I want my current build as a pistol anyway, so it is legal for me to carry with my CPL (reminds me, I need to take my Michigan Pistol Sales Record in to the local police today for registration).


Yeah, I'm talking about it being identified as a rifle, other, or receiver on the 4473. I wasn't sure if that was a federal law or something TN decided to use. But other than that, as far as I can tell, there are no other restrictions.

What I mean by "register" is the transfer of the firearm to a consumer from an FFL. Letting the state know the firearm is out of the FFL's control, and, for lack of a better phrase, "out on the streets". I don't mean registered to a named individual.

ETA: June 12 2013 -- I found out today that FFL's here in TN do not "Register" serial numbers with the state. They merely do a TICS/Background check on the person buying the firearm, and provide the serial number with the paperwork. But after 24hrs. the NICS/TICS system is flushed, and all the info is deleted.

The only information they keep is where the firearm was sold. The FFL is the only entity that has any information on the buyer, as well as the make/model/serial of the firearms.

Link Posted: 6/19/2013 12:23:25 AM EDT
[#35]
SBR (Short Barrel Rifle) Paperwork FAQ

For those who wish to shorten their rifle barrels to less than 16 inches, there are certain BATF regulations that must be followed to lawfully fulfill your goal.

SBR Paperwork Required:

- Complete 2 copies of ATF Form 1 (5320.1, Application to Make and Register a Firearm). Forms are available at no charge from the ATF Forms Distribution Center or Attached File  atf-f-5320-1.pdf   766.39KB   2161 downloads

- Attach a passport style (2"x2") photo to each form (2 photos)

- Complete 1 copy of ATF Form 5330.20 (Certificate of Compliance) Attached File  atf-f-5330-20.pdf   102.63KB   1556 downloads

- Be fingerprinted (2 copies) on FBI FD-258LE cards (available from the ATF website). Your local Police Department of Sheriff's Office can usually do this for you at no or minimal cost.

- Most importantly, you must obtain the signature of the Chief Law Enforcement Officer in your area of residence. The 'CLEO' may be the Chief of Police of your town, the Sheriff of your county or a District Attorney, among others. Depending on where you live and your political connections, the signature may be the most difficult part of the process. You just never know.

- Pack up all forms, cards, etc, along with a check payable to the Department of Justice in the amount of $200, and send them to the address on the form (Georgia address).

- In 2-8 weeks, ATF will return 1 approved original copy of your Form 1, with attached NFA tax stamp. At that time (and at no time prior), you may "make" or assemble your SBR/SBS/DD/Suppressor.

SBR Receiver Markings Required:

- As the 'maker' of the NFA firearm, you must mark the newly made NFA firearm with the Serial Number, Model Name or Number (if it has one), *your* Name, City, State and the caliber or gauge. If you used the serial number, model and caliber of the original Title I firearm to make your NFA firearm, then you're already half-way there as far as markings go.

- Accepted abbreviations may be used for your name (i.e., your initials), city & state. Ex: John Q. Public, Houston, Texas can be marked as JQ Public, HOU TX.

- The S/N must be marked on the receiver or frame, and must be no less than 1/16" in height and no less than 0.003" deep.

- The remaining information (name, city, state, model and caliber) may be placed EITHER on the receiver OR the barrel, and must be no less than 0.003" deep. There are no minimum height requirements for these markings.

- All required markings must be in Roman letters (English) and Arabic numerals (1,2,3 ...), and be "wholly unobstructed from plain view". In other words, they may not be placed under hand guards, grips, inside mag wells, etc."
Link Posted: 6/19/2013 12:31:17 AM EDT
[#36]
SBR (Short Barrel Rifle) Paperwork FAQ

For those who wish to shorten their rifle barrels to less than 16 inches, there are certain BATF regulations that must be followed to lawfully fulfill your goal.

SBR Paperwork Required:

- Complete 2 copies of ATF Form 1 (5320.1, Application to Make and Register a Firearm). Forms are available at no charge from the ATF Forms Distribution Center or Attached File  atf-f-5320-1.pdf   766.39KB   2161 downloads

- Attach a passport style (2"x2") photo to each form (2 photos)

- Complete 1 copy of ATF Form 5330.20 (Certificate of Compliance) Attached File  atf-f-5330-20.pdf   102.63KB   1556 downloads

- Be fingerprinted (2 copies) on FBI FD-258LE cards (available from the ATF website). Your local Police Department of Sheriff's Office can usually do this for you at no or minimal cost.

- Most importantly, you must obtain the signature of the Chief Law Enforcement Officer in your area of residence. The 'CLEO' may be the Chief of Police of your town, the Sheriff of your county or a District Attorney, among others. Depending on where you live and your political connections, the signature may be the most difficult part of the process. You just never know.

- Pack up all forms, cards, etc, along with a check payable to the Department of Justice in the amount of $200, and send them to the address on the form (Georgia address).

- In 2-8 weeks, ATF will return 1 approved original copy of your Form 1, with attached NFA tax stamp. At that time (and at no time prior), you may "make" or assemble your SBR/SBS/DD/Suppressor.

SBR Receiver Markings Required:

- As the 'maker' of the NFA firearm, you must mark the newly made NFA firearm with the Serial Number, Model Name or Number (if it has one), *your* Name, City, State and the caliber or gauge. If you used the serial number, model and caliber of the original Title I firearm to make your NFA firearm, then you're already half-way there as far as markings go.

- Accepted abbreviations may be used for your name (i.e., your initials), city & state. Ex: John Q. Public, Houston, Texas can be marked as JQ Public, HOU TX.

- The S/N must be marked on the receiver or frame, and must be no less than 1/16" in height and no less than 0.003" deep.

- The remaining information (name, city, state, model and caliber) may be placed EITHER on the receiver OR the barrel, and must be no less than 0.003" deep. There are no minimum height requirements for these markings.

- All required markings must be in Roman letters (English) and Arabic numerals (1,2,3 ...), and be "wholly unobstructed from plain view". In other words, they may not be placed under hand guards, grips, inside mag wells, etc."
Link Posted: 6/19/2013 2:57:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TBoneDetroit] [#37]
Originally Posted By JlMcKinney:
SBR (Short Barrel Rifle) Paperwork FAQ

For those who wish to shorten their rifle barrels to less than 16 inches, there are certain BATF regulations that must be followed to lawfully fulfill your goal.

SBR Paperwork Required:

- Complete 2 copies of ATF Form 1 (5320.1, Application to Make and Register a Firearm). Forms are available at no charge from the ATF Forms Distribution Center or Attached File  atf-f-5320-1.pdf   766.39KB   2161 downloads

- Attach a passport style (2"x2") photo to each form (2 photos)

- Complete 1 copy of ATF Form 5330.20 (Certificate of Compliance) Attached File  atf-f-5330-20.pdf   102.63KB   1556 downloads

- Be fingerprinted (2 copies) on FBI FD-258LE cards (available from the ATF website). Your local Police Department of Sheriff's Office can usually do this for you at no or minimal cost.

- Most importantly, you must obtain the signature of the Chief Law Enforcement Officer in your area of residence. The 'CLEO' may be the Chief of Police of your town, the Sheriff of your county or a District Attorney, among others. Depending on where you live and your political connections, the signature may be the most difficult part of the process. You just never know.

- Pack up all forms, cards, etc, along with a check payable to the Department of Justice in the amount of $200, and send them to the address on the form (Georgia address).

- In 2-8 weeks, ATF will return 1 approved original copy of your Form 1, with attached NFA tax stamp. At that time (and at no time prior), you may "make" or assemble your SBR/SBS/DD/Suppressor.

SBR Receiver Markings Required:

- As the 'maker' of the NFA firearm, you must mark the newly made NFA firearm with the Serial Number, Model Name or Number (if it has one), *your* Name, City, State and the caliber or gauge. If you used the serial number, model and caliber of the original Title I firearm to make your NFA firearm, then you're already half-way there as far as markings go.

- Accepted abbreviations may be used for your name (i.e., your initials), city & state. Ex: John Q. Public, Houston, Texas can be marked as JQ Public, HOU TX.

- The S/N must be marked on the receiver or frame, and must be no less than 1/16" in height and no less than 0.003" deep.

- The remaining information (name, city, state, model and caliber) may be placed EITHER on the receiver OR the barrel, and must be no less than 0.003" deep. There are no minimum height requirements for these markings.

- All required markings must be in Roman letters (English) and Arabic numerals (1,2,3 ...), and be "wholly unobstructed from plain view". In other words, they may not be placed under hand guards, grips, inside mag wells, etc."


Thanks Jim, but your post(s) is(are) both out of place and off topic. These are not SBRs we are talking about in this Forum, they are AR15 pistols, and not subject to NFA if in compliance (no shoulder stocks with barrels under 16", no vertical fore grips on weapons under 26", etc.). Perhaps a bit more reading on the topic will help you understand. This particular thread is for informing the Members about State, not Federal restrictions/regulations on AR type pistols. Some States have them, some do not.
Link Posted: 6/19/2013 8:04:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: OhShoot] [#38]
Originally Posted By xtreme762:
Here in TN, if you want to build a pistol . The lower receiver has to have been registered as "Other", or "Receiver". If the lower was EVER registered as a "Rifle", you cannot use it for a pistol build. So, YES there are restrictions in TN.

I don't know if this is a commonality between states or not, and I don't know if it's been mentioned here or not. ...


All that has nothing to do with TN law and is not mentioned at all in Tennessee Code -- it's purely federal law.

(And also, a lower could be transferred as a rifle at some point, but would still be legal to also be a pistol if it had started life as a pistol. A resold lower transferred as "other firearm/receiver" could also be illegal to make a pistol from if it had started life as a rifle).

But again, none of this in in TN law -- the only technicality in Tennessee Code that relates here is that a handgun is defined as having a barrel of  less than 12", so if  you had a 12" or greater AR pistol, it's a potential problem regarding carrying it with a handgun carry permit should push ever come to shove, and I suppose could even be construed as being a short barreled rifle, although that would probably have to be determined by state case law if you were actually charged.

- OS
Link Posted: 6/24/2013 10:15:32 PM EDT
[#39]
No restrictions I am aware of in Alaska.
Link Posted: 7/20/2013 3:00:39 PM EDT
[#40]
In Illinois what with the new CCW law and State Preemption on handguns, does that mean a resident of Chicago can now (with a CCL) own and carry an AR pistol?
Link Posted: 7/20/2013 10:05:16 PM EDT
[#41]
This is a GTG for Oregon x4 other three were on page 4 and 5. I don't know how to add this to the list and to make sure I don't screw it up I'll just ask nice if someone can add Oregon's GTG.
The only issues you might have in Oregon are with municipalities who like to make laws that contradict Oregon's Constitution. These are illegal laws and don't stand up in court. So again. Oregon GTG
Link Posted: 7/29/2013 1:04:00 PM EDT
[#42]
Kentucky is GTG.
Link Posted: 8/3/2013 10:28:59 PM EDT
[#43]
Wtf op?  Where is the list in the op??

Where are the links to law.

Mods, can I start one to replace this one withh all the info in yhe OP?  I could gradually go through the,HT forums to get links to state code websites...
Link Posted: 8/3/2013 10:30:36 PM EDT
[#44]
I am interested on laws effecting travel, not so much if you move therw.  If you are moving to a state you can take your time figuring all that oit.
Link Posted: 9/2/2013 12:06:20 AM EDT
[#45]
North Dakota is gtg as per ND Century Code http://www.legis.nd.gov/cencode/t62-1.html
Link Posted: 9/4/2013 11:00:20 PM EDT
[#46]
Some restrictions in MA. If you have a Class A LTC, an AR pistol is legal in MA if it was manufactured on or before 09/13/1994.

If it was made after the beginning of the now expired Federal AWB it is illegal because:

The definition of “assault weapon” is the same as the federal law that went into effect on September 13, 1994. Specific guns are banned by name, and guns with certain combinations of features are banned:

a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of--

(i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
(ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip,
or silencer;
(iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits
the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;
(iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and
(v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm
Link Posted: 9/8/2013 3:06:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: srvctek] [#47]
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Link Posted: 9/8/2013 3:08:48 PM EDT
[#48]
I disagree...federal law says that no state may force you to register a firearm.
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Originally Posted By EdHaney1:

Yes Pistols Purchased in Pa. must be registered with the Pennsylvania State Police unless passed to blood relative or is old enough to not have a serial number. There may be other pistol registration rules that I am currently not aware of. I will find out if they exist.
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Originally Posted By EdHaney1:

Originally Posted By TitleII:
Keep the reports coming!

No Known Restrictions (NKR) times the number of members reporting with a subjective degree of validity


Pennsylvania................................GTG with registration?
Yes Pistols Purchased in Pa. must be registered with the Pennsylvania State Police unless passed to blood relative or is old enough to not have a serial number. There may be other pistol registration rules that I am currently not aware of. I will find out if they exist.

Link Posted: 9/8/2013 11:19:13 PM EDT
[#49]
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Originally Posted By srvctek:
I disagree...federal law says that no state may force you to register a firearm.
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Originally Posted By srvctek:
I disagree...federal law says that no state may force you to register a firearm.
Originally Posted By EdHaney1:

Originally Posted By TitleII:
Keep the reports coming!

No Known Restrictions (NKR) times the number of members reporting with a subjective degree of validity


Pennsylvania................................GTG with registration?
Yes Pistols Purchased in Pa. must be registered with the Pennsylvania State Police unless passed to blood relative or is old enough to not have a serial number. There may be other pistol registration rules that I am currently not aware of. I will find out if they exist.



Please show me where it's against Federal law for a state to require firearm registration.
Link Posted: 9/21/2013 7:47:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TBoneDetroit] [#50]
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Originally Posted By srvctek:
I disagree...federal law says that no state may force you to register a firearm.
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Originally Posted By srvctek:
I disagree...federal law says that no state may force you to register a firearm.
Originally Posted By EdHaney1:

Originally Posted By TitleII:
Keep the reports coming!

No Known Restrictions (NKR) times the number of members reporting with a subjective degree of validity


Pennsylvania................................GTG with registration?
Yes Pistols Purchased in Pa. must be registered with the Pennsylvania State Police unless passed to blood relative or is old enough to not have a serial number. There may be other pistol registration rules that I am currently not aware of. I will find out if they exist.


Calling BS on this one. I am certain (with Michigan's long required pistol registration) I'd have heard of this little gem before now (if it existed).
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