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FL, USA
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Posted: 10/22/2012 9:45:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: tammons]
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I originally read about this a long time ago somewhere on the web now lost.
Yes the longer load is not held in place by the front of the mag. With that metal gone you have more room and can run it out close to the face of the mag well. I have milled one other, a plastic mag years ago. Yeah you dont want to make it too wide or too tall. YOu want to leave as much material as possible. Could probably make this one for this bullet 3/8" +- wide . Dont know how long it will last before I have issues but we will see. Seems to be holding up so far, but I dont keep it loaded. Overall I really dont think its worth the effort for most bullets as it just marginally increases the room for powder, but so far this 25-223 seems very sensitive to COL, bearing surface, small changes etc especially with me pushing it. One issue with this setup is if you lose the mag then you cant shoot these loads until you make another. Only reason I did it is I wanted to shoot this particular bullet and even this normal mag that can take 2.3 COL was a tad too short for this bullet. Its a long pointy bullet. Going to hunt with it this year. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 10/22/2012 11:50:55 PM EDT
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My question here was poorly stated, but I do appreciate the response as this was the fist time I have ever seen anything like this. I have a feeling some of my old mags may be undergoing surgery soon.
My question was intended to be: is there any way to run the 115 Berger (or any other similar high bc bullet) in a standard or even semi standard (ie pri) mag? I really get interested when I have an ar short action bringing 500+ fps at 700, but my interest begins to wane when that requires non standard components (bolt, mags etc). Hence the reason ive never bought into the 6.5 or 6.8 (although the arp 6/6.8 variant is pretty spiffy over 800). |
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Posted: 10/23/2012 12:08:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: LRRPF52]
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The biggest problem you run into with the AR15 frame when trying to load VLD type projectiles in longer cases is that there isn't enough room, and this stems from the fact that the gun was never re-designed around the 5.56x45mm.
The AR15 was originally chambered in .222 Remington, which has a shorter COAL, shorter base-to-shoulder, and a 50,000 psi SAAMI max pressure limit. When the CONARC Board changed the steel helmet perforation requirement from 300 yards, to 400 yards, then 500 yards, the .222 Remington finally met its limit. That's when Gene Stoner asked Remington if they could cut the chamber so that there was more case capacity for a new cartridge based on the .222 Rem, only longer. The result was the .222 Remington Special, or later known as the .223 Remington, which was then militarized in the 5.56x45 with stronger brass to handle the higher pressures, which pushed from 54,000-58,000 psi. They figured the small enlargements to the bolt, receivers, and mags weren't necessary, since they were marginal, and called it good. That's why we have MPI/HPT bolts, boat-tailed FMJ's, and hot loads in the 5.56 NATO. Some guys that shoot long range with the AR have chambered in .222 Rem so they can load the 75gr AMAX to mag-feed, as it won't do so in the 5.56 chambered AR. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 10/23/2012 12:30:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: tammons]
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The 110 Accubond has a decent BC and will run in a regular magazine AFAIK.
That said I have not tried them. Difference in Jump, COL etc is significant though. The load I settled on for the 115 gr berger at 2.375 is 25.5 gr of H335. That is the same max load I use for the for the 100 prohunter at 2.26. They are both hot loads. The cutting edge tactical 100 gr bullet has a BC of .420. Cost over $1 each though. |
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Posted: 10/23/2012 1:33:26 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By tammons:
The cutting edge tactical 100 gr bullet has a BC of .420. Cost over $1 each though. What bullet would that be? |
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Posted: 10/23/2012 6:59:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 762x40mm]
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Originally Posted By ronnl001:
....My question was intended to be: is there any way to run the 115 Berger (or any other similar high bc bullet) in a standard or even semi standard (ie pri) mag? ............my interest begins to wane when that requires non standard components (bolt, mags etc). Hence the reason ive never bought into the 6.5 or 6.8 (although the arp 6/6.8 variant is pretty spiffy over 800). Yes there is, but doubt you will hear a whisper of its thunder stealing capabilities......... .25x40mm 115gr Berger loaded to 2.250", no need for special mags or mods....original bolt and mags are retained.... 
Even runs out of Beta mags.... 
The 115gr Berger load clocks ~2,500fps out of a 10.5" barrel, that's greater than 800yd supersonic capabilities from a SBR.... 
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FL, USA
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Posted: 10/23/2012 10:16:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: tammons]
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Originally Posted By tammons:
The 110 Accubond has a decent BC and will run in a regular magazine AFAIK. That said I have not tried them. Difference in Jump, COL etc is significant though. The load I settled on for the 115 gr berger at 2.375 is 25.5 gr of H335. That is the same max load I use for the for the 100 prohunter at 2.26. They are both hot loads. The cutting edge tactical 100 gr bullet has a BC of .420. Cost over $1 each though. Its going to be a long bullet so probably about like a Barnes 100 gr bullet for loading. Link....... http://www.midwayusa.com/product/811277/cutting-edge-bullets-match-tactical-hunting-bullets-25-caliber-257-diameter-100-grain-low-drag-hollow-point-boat-tail-box-of-50 
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FL, USA
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Posted: 10/23/2012 10:20:22 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 762x40mm:
The 115gr Berger load clocks ~2,500fps out of a 10.5" barrel, that's greater than 800yd supersonic capabilities from a SBR.... What powder are you using ?? |
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Posted: 10/23/2012 10:27:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Altair]
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Originally Posted By tammons:
Its going to be a long bullet so probably about like a Barnes 100 gr bullet for loading. Link....... http://www.midwayusa.com/product/811277/cutting-edge-bullets-match-tactical-hunting-bullets-25-caliber-257-diameter-100-grain-low-drag-hollow-point-boat-tail-box-of-50 http://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/440x330/primary/811/811277.jpg When you said "Cutting Edge" I didn't realize that was a brand name. The bullet is interesting but I am skeptical of anything that claims to do everything like a "Match Tactical Hunting Bullet". It didn't mention anything about how it performs on target other than to say it has "outstanding terminal performance". Are these expanding bullets like a Barnes? Has anyone tried the Swift Scirocco 2 100gr Bonded Bullet? |
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Posted: 10/23/2012 10:37:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 762x40mm]
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Originally Posted By Altair:
Originally Posted By tammons:
Its going to be a long bullet so probably about like a Barnes 100 gr bullet for loading. Link....... http://www.midwayusa.com/product/811277/cutting-edge-bullets-match-tactical-hunting-bullets-25-caliber-257-diameter-100-grain-low-drag-hollow-point-boat-tail-box-of-50 http://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/440x330/primary/811/811277.jpg When you said "Cutting Edge" I didn't realize that was a brand name. The bullet is interesting but I am skeptical of anything that claims to do everything like a "Match Tactical Hunting Bullet". It didn't mention anything about how it performs on target other than to say it has "outstanding terminal performance". Are these expanding bullets like a Barnes? Similar concept as with the Bergers.....they have the same weight and profile in both a target and hunting bullet, construction differences.....some people consider the Berger hunting bullets, match hunting bullets...if that makes any sense, sounds counter intuitive to me....they perform well on game, as do the cutting edge bullets....they will come apart as do the gamekings if collision velocity is too great for the range..... |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 10/23/2012 10:39:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: tammons]
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Originally Posted By ronnl001:
My question here was poorly stated, but I do appreciate the response as this was the fist time I have ever seen anything like this. I have a feeling some of my old mags may be undergoing surgery soon. My question was intended to be: is there any way to run the 115 Berger (or any other similar high bc bullet) in a standard or even semi standard (ie pri) mag? I really get interested when I have an ar short action bringing 500+ fps at 700, but my interest begins to wane when that requires non standard components (bolt, mags etc). Hence the reason ive never bought into the 6.5 or 6.8 (although the arp 6/6.8 variant is pretty spiffy over 800). You can load the 115 berger at 2.3" COL to run out of a CP defense mag. Its not optimal but it will work. The ogive is slightly inside the neck. If you want a photo let me know. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 10/23/2012 10:49:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: tammons]
[#12]
Originally Posted By Altair:
Originally Posted By tammons:
Its going to be a long bullet so probably about like a Barnes 100 gr bullet for loading. Link....... http://www.midwayusa.com/product/811277/cutting-edge-bullets-match-tactical-hunting-bullets-25-caliber-257-diameter-100-grain-low-drag-hollow-point-boat-tail-box-of-50 http://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/440x330/primary/811/811277.jpg When you said "Cutting Edge" I didn't realize that was a brand name. The bullet is interesting but I am skeptical of anything that claims to do everything like a "Match Tactical Hunting Bullet". It didn't mention anything about how it performs on target other than to say it has "outstanding terminal performance". Are these expanding bullets like a Barnes? Has anyone tried the Swift Scirocco 2 100gr Bonded Bullet? These particular CE bullets are solid copper bullets so I would expect the expansion to be about like the older TSX. They are lathe turned so I would expect great accuracy. HTR has been testing the 82 gr ER Raptor bullets (brass) by the same company and says they are very accurate. I have some of those coming in 6.8. I think somebody has tried the Scirroco. Cant remember who though. Link if you are interested. http://site.cuttingedgebullets.com/ Looks like they expand fine. See photos in the link. http://site.cuttingedgebullets.com/pages/bullet_design |
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Posted: 10/23/2012 2:43:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By tammons:
Originally Posted By Altair:
Originally Posted By tammons:
Its going to be a long bullet so probably about like a Barnes 100 gr bullet for loading. Link....... http://www.midwayusa.com/product/811277/cutting-edge-bullets-match-tactical-hunting-bullets-25-caliber-257-diameter-100-grain-low-drag-hollow-point-boat-tail-box-of-50 http://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/440x330/primary/811/811277.jpg When you said "Cutting Edge" I didn't realize that was a brand name. The bullet is interesting but I am skeptical of anything that claims to do everything like a "Match Tactical Hunting Bullet". It didn't mention anything about how it performs on target other than to say it has "outstanding terminal performance". Are these expanding bullets like a Barnes? Has anyone tried the Swift Scirocco 2 100gr Bonded Bullet? These particular CE bullets are solid copper bullets so I would expect the expansion to be about like the older TSX. They are lathe turned so I would expect great accuracy. HTR has been testing the 82 gr ER Raptor bullets (brass) by the same company and says they are very accurate. I have some of those coming in 6.8. I think somebody has tried the Scirroco. Cant remember who though. Link if you are interested. http://site.cuttingedgebullets.com/ Looks like they expand fine. See photos in the link. http://site.cuttingedgebullets.com/pages/bullet_design So they fragment rather than expand. It worries me that they use the term "hydrostatic shock" on their website, but I'll watch with interest to see how this bullet performs in testing. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 10/23/2012 4:13:42 PM EDT
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I would not worry about it.
The ESP and ER Raptor bullets are brass and they are designed to shed the petals. HTR has shot 2 hogs and a deer with them so far in 6.8 and the hogs just keeled over dead. Basically 6 petals come off are sharp and continue through the animal along with the bullet base and shred everything on the way through. Supposedly a DRT bullet, but the BC is not so hot. The 100 gr high BC bullet above is copper and designed to expand, but just like barnes bullets they could lose a petal. I am sticking with the berger for now and we will see how it does. Solid copper is overkill for anything I will shoot except a big hog. Then again the huge ones are rare and I hunt hogs in the woods with a 338-06 so I have some hog stopping power. Originally Posted By Altair:
Originally Posted By tammons:
Originally Posted By Altair:
Originally Posted By tammons:
Its going to be a long bullet so probably about like a Barnes 100 gr bullet for loading. Link....... http://www.midwayusa.com/product/811277/cutting-edge-bullets-match-tactical-hunting-bullets-25-caliber-257-diameter-100-grain-low-drag-hollow-point-boat-tail-box-of-50 http://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/440x330/primary/811/811277.jpg When you said "Cutting Edge" I didn't realize that was a brand name. The bullet is interesting but I am skeptical of anything that claims to do everything like a "Match Tactical Hunting Bullet". It didn't mention anything about how it performs on target other than to say it has "outstanding terminal performance". Are these expanding bullets like a Barnes? Has anyone tried the Swift Scirocco 2 100gr Bonded Bullet? These particular CE bullets are solid copper bullets so I would expect the expansion to be about like the older TSX. They are lathe turned so I would expect great accuracy. HTR has been testing the 82 gr ER Raptor bullets (brass) by the same company and says they are very accurate. I have some of those coming in 6.8. I think somebody has tried the Scirroco. Cant remember who though. Link if you are interested. http://site.cuttingedgebullets.com/ Looks like they expand fine. See photos in the link. http://site.cuttingedgebullets.com/pages/bullet_design So they fragment rather than expand. It worries me that they use the term "hydrostatic shock" on their website, but I'll watch with interest to see how this bullet performs in testing. |
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Posted: 11/7/2012 12:12:52 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By scatterbrains:
blammer have you tried a nosler partition or accubond in 100gr? I think those 2 bullets would be absolutely fantastic on med sized game out of the AR. Where you shooting from a bench or a "hasty" rest with those targets? Scatterbrains, I posted my results back many pages ago with the 100 PT. I had moa results using 24.2 of AA2200 IIRC. It was chronied at 2750 out of my 20". |
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Posted: 11/7/2012 12:17:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: VeritatisUnus]
[#16]
Originally Posted By tammons:
Milled out mag. Milled out area is 7/16" wide, about 7/8 tall with rounded corners. This is a CP defense mag so the rounds under these 6 can be loaded to 2.3" COL Shown are 6 115 gr berger loads all 2.375" COL 2.38 is about as long as can be loaded in my Cav II lower. http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z300/tammons3/MISC/smallmilledmagIMGP1052.jpg Nice. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/7/2012 6:07:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: tammons]
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Ran a few more 115 berger chrono loads. All 25.5 gr H335, 2.375 COL and coated.
First two touching, one 1/2" one flier about 1.5", its good enough. Very hot load. All right around 2550 in a 20" bbl, 80dF 2559,2559,2539,2549 Missed my chance at a hog with it again. Left the 25-223 AR at the house, had the 6.8 and a 45. Hog ran across the road in front of the truck and I bailed out and grabbed my XD-45 loaded with 45 super. Found the bastards but they saw me at about 45 yards. Took a shot anyway but it fell short. Next time. Pops shot an 80# doe with the Raptor bullet in 6.8. Ran about 10 yards and DRT. 91YO and still knocking em down. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 11/7/2012 10:44:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By tammons:
Ran a few more 115 berger chrono loads. All 25.5 gr H335, 2.375 COL and coated. First two touching, one 1/2" one flier about 1.5", its good enough. Very hot load. All right around 2550 in a 25" bbl, 80dF 2559,2559,2539,2549 Was the flier the last shot on top of an empty mag? This is what often happens to me. I will be shooting a nice group and the last shot off of an empty mag will be a flier. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/8/2012 8:29:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: tammons]
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Shot only the top 4 bullets.
That was just a photo as I dont keep that mag loaded all the time so I just dropped in 6 115 bergers for the photo. In real life I have 4 pro hunter loads under the Berger loads. Well I would not really call it a serious flier, IE it could have been the nut behind the trigger too. It is a decent group for hunting and if I back off my charge to the next lower node the groups would probably pull in. I have not shot this bullet enough to really know ultimately how tight it will really shoot. |
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Posted: 11/11/2012 9:38:34 PM EDT
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The .25-223 had a busy week here.
First, we shot another pig Wednesday night. Range was approximately 100 yards. My brother and I walked up on a large group of them alongside a wooded creek, and this one was shot before they really saw us. This pig was facing me and the bullet entered in front of the left shoulder (visible in the picture below) and exited behind the right shoulder. This was my go-to hunting load - 24.0 grains R7 and 80-grain Barnes TTSX. Pig dropped like the light had been turned off. Upon field dressing it was clear that the TTSX had rapidly and violently expanded before exiting. My brother shot the little one. I need to clear some space in my freezer because we still haven't eaten all of this year's deer sausage yet. Good stuff. 
Then today the .25-223 went to our local shotgun-carbine match. The wind was blowing like crazy but we had no trouble hitting targets out to 280 yards. I was shooting the 75-grain V-max over 24.0 grains of R7, mostly because it shoots to the same zero as the hunting load. 
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Posted: 11/11/2012 11:06:00 PM EDT
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Fantastic kill wombat, good t
 o see your still enjoyin it
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/16/2012 4:02:23 PM EDT
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Guess what I just got in the mail unexpectedly!
A new 25-223 FL sizing die from CH4D. I guess they finally got around to making the replacements for the ones that had the neck too big, How long ago was that? |
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Posted: 11/16/2012 9:23:55 PM EDT
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Holy shit really? WOW LOL
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/17/2012 9:43:43 AM EDT
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I've decided I like this cartridge. :)
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Posted: 11/24/2012 3:02:15 PM EDT
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Went out yesterday with a couple new loads. 24.0 of aa2200 behind a 100gr Horn Interlock provided consistent sub-moa groups and clocked basically 2700 fps.
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Posted: 11/28/2012 2:09:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Blammer:
Guess what I just got in the mail unexpectedly! A new 25-223 FL sizing die from CH4D. I guess they finally got around to making the replacements for the ones that had the neck too big, How long ago was that? Have you tried that die to see if it functions correctly? |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/28/2012 5:04:45 PM EDT
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I have, it works just like it's suppose to.
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Posted: 11/28/2012 9:13:03 PM EDT
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Thanks!
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Posted: 12/11/2012 4:02:07 PM EDT
[#29]
So need a favor i have no idea where i put my data but need to know max case length cant find it damn anywhere
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NY, USA
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Posted: 12/11/2012 7:23:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By scatterbrains:
So need a favor i have no idea where i put my data but need to know max case length cant find it damn anywhere Hi Scatterbrains, Did you get one of the case gauges that I had made? I think that the max length is 1.70 but I can check it later tonight when I get home. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 12/11/2012 8:25:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: tammons]
[#31]
My case gage measures 1.716"
I think the max length is 1.71" if I remember right. I use a lee setup and have been trimming to 1.70" No problems so far. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 12/11/2012 10:29:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 320pf]
[#32]
Originally Posted By 320pf:
Originally Posted By scatterbrains:
So need a favor i have no idea where i put my data but need to know max case length cant find it damn anywhere Hi Scatterbrains, Did you get one of the case gauges that I had made? I think that the max length is 1.70 but I can check it later tonight when I get home. Hi Scatterbrains, I checked the reamer drawing and measured my 25-223AR case gauge against some un-trimed 5.56 brass. The chamber is spec for a 1.700" case length, leaving about 0.015-0.020" room for case stretch during the firing process. So the maximum case length is about 1.705. The trim to length is 1.695. Tammons suggestion (1.700") is good to go with and will put you right in the middle of the tolerances. |
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Posted: 12/11/2012 10:59:07 PM EDT
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Awesome thats what I have on my chamber drawing. No I havent gotten one of your gages I prob should lol
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Posted: 12/11/2012 11:17:32 PM EDT
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The case length for .25-223 is the same as for .222 Remington. I use the .222 gauge on my Lyman universal case gauge and occasionally a Lee .222 trimmer as well (when I don't feel the need to pull out the drill to use my Possum Hollow trimmer).
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Posted: 12/12/2012 12:00:46 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By wombat25:
The case length for .25-223 is the same as for .222 Remington. I use the .222 gauge on my Lyman universal case gauge and occasionally a Lee .222 trimmer as well (when I don't feel the need to pull out the drill to use my Possum Hollow trimmer). what possum hollow did you get wombat? And will it take a 5.56 to 25-223 with out problems? |
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Posted: 12/12/2012 12:56:02 PM EDT
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A Possum Hollow .223/5.56 trimmer can be modified to trim the .25-223 by simply boring the main cylinder with a 5/16" bit in a drill press (remove the cutting head first). The drill removes hardly any metal and the trimmer works perfectly after that small modification. I've trimmed hundreds with mine.
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Posted: 12/12/2012 2:46:02 PM EDT
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Awesome fantastic wombat! that will really help when chucked into a drill press
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FL, USA
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Posted: 12/15/2012 12:45:22 PM EDT
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Shameless plug. Figure people might actually see it here.
Selling my 25-223 20" bbl, bolt and accessories. Check it out in classifieds. Shoots great, I just like bolt actions better. |
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Posted: 12/15/2012 9:42:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By tammons:
Shameless plug. Figure people might actually see it here. Selling my 25-223 20" bbl, bolt and accessories. Check it out in classifieds. Shoots great, I just like bolt actions better. You kiss your mother with that mouth?!?! 
I certainly don't need another .25-223, but it might be nice to have a 20" to play with.... |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 12/15/2012 10:37:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: tammons]
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LOL-Yep
I am getting 2550+ with 115 bergers with a 20" bbl. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/16/2012 10:48:02 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By tammons:
Shameless plug. Figure people might actually see it here. Selling my 25-223 20" bbl, bolt and accessories. Check it out in classifieds. Shoots great, I just like bolt actions better. I would be interested, but couldn't find it in the EE, is that where the ad is? What date or ad title? thx 951 |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 12/16/2012 11:13:41 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 951:
Originally Posted By tammons:
Shameless plug. Figure people might actually see it here. Selling my 25-223 20" bbl, bolt and accessories. Check it out in classifieds. Shoots great, I just like bolt actions better. I would be interested, but couldn't find it in the EE, is that where the ad is? What date or ad title? thx 951 Equipment Exchange » AR15 Parts - Used - Upper Receiver 4th page http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_159/1073197_WTS__Stainless_25_223_AR15_20_barrel.html |
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Posted: 12/19/2012 11:30:58 PM EDT
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Got my rig put together. Working out the gas port issue, but think I am about there. 24.3 gr. AA 2200 behind 100 gr. PH is now ejecting the hull, but failing to lock back on an empty mag. Want to run a few more rounds before I upsize the port. 18" barrel, rifle length with a .1015 port.
Should be able to start workup this weekend if weather allows. |
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Posted: 12/20/2012 1:36:45 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Worriedman:
Got my rig put together. Working out the gas port issue, but think I am about there. 24.3 gr. AA 2200 behind 100 gr. PH is now ejecting the hull, but failing to lock back on an empty mag. Want to run a few more rounds before I upsize the port. 18" barrel, rifle length with a .1015 port. Should be able to start workup this weekend if weather allows. There lies your problem, a 18" bbl. w/ a rifle length gas system...not enough dwell time...you may have to open-up your gas port even further and put a adjustable gas block... I had a customer Insist on having a 18" bbl. AR wildcat w/ a rifle gas system, I told him I would not recommend it due to dwell time Issues and having the gas pressure dissipate before the bolt fully cycles etc..Long story short, he had all kinks of Issues getting it to fully cycle etc...He eventually had to plug the gasport and go mid-length gas system, which I recommended in the first place... Anyway, good luck with your build...you will just have to play with the right combination of powders, buffer weights and buffer springs and gas port sizes till you get it to 100% reliability. |
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Posted: 12/20/2012 6:42:52 AM EDT
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Have the adjustable gas block in the build. I plan on using a can on it, which will change the metric there. The comp I have coming that allows for can attachment may just solve the issues.
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Posted: 12/22/2012 11:14:23 AM EDT
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Ran another 50 rounds this cold morning, and system is starting to function as it should. New upper receiver, new bolt carrier and bolt, now with a couple of hundred rounds down the tube, it was a little tight I guess.
Locked back on empty mag 5 out of five times at the end. Now to set up sights and get it dialed in. |
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Posted: 12/23/2012 7:07:24 PM EDT
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So i got out today and ran about 120rnds through the 25. I had mixed results mostly just me i think though.
To start i had worked up some loads with the 90gr blitzkings finally WOW shot fantastic, when i did my part. that was a problem today.
Ran 10 loads from 25-26gr of h335 the 25gr shot the best, def under an inch with 5 shots. i will def be working with this load some more. My major problem today though was with my go to nosler load, shot like crap!! one group would be sub moa, then it would be 2". I really dont think its the loads because i just seemed constantly wrong behind the rifle, it was so aggravating. It was completely stupid. Not that they shot horrible they just didnt shoot right, ya guys know how that is LOL. I will say i have groundhog and Pdog targets and everyone of them was dead after the day.
Was strange everyone of the pdog targets were popped in the 1" square while every 1" dot i missed WTF! I never really had an issue running the gun in the field but i had a hell of a time running it properly today was def a little disappointed in myself. But the gun ran fantastic! |
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Posted: 12/24/2012 8:17:21 PM EDT
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just curious if any of 25-223 shooters have tried this bullet
http://www.hornady.com/store/25-Cal-.257-117-gr-RN/ seems that the shortend length would help with OAL and magazine restrictions , hit like a whale and would possibly be the heaviest for caliber boolit to sling out there. |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 3:24:45 AM EDT
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Pretty sure at least 2 guys have used that bullet
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Posted: 12/25/2012 12:58:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 320pf]
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Originally Posted By captainkoontz:
just curious if any of 25-223 shooters have tried this bullet http://www.hornady.com/store/25-Cal-.257-117-gr-RN/ seems that the shortend length would help with OAL and magazine restrictions , hit like a whale and would possibly be the heaviest for caliber boolit to sling out there. I have worked up loads for this bullet and they are posted on this thread. It is not very difficult to get 2400 fps with a 16 in carbine. The Hornady 117 gn RN also run well through an AR. This is found on page 22 of this thread. Originally Posted By 320pf:
I had a chance to pick up some Horn. 117 Round Nose bullets. I had mentioned this before and there was some concern that the round nose bullets might not feed in the AR. Well I tried them in 5 round mag and a 30 round p-mag. They all fed fine with not jams. Here are the results that I have so far. IMR 8208 (16-inch 1:10 barrel) Load____Vel (fps) 23.5gr___2200 24.0gr___2259 24.5gr___2310 25.0gr___2331 Hodgdon BenchMark (16-inch 1:10 barrel) Load____Vel (fps) 23.5gr___2214 24.0gr___2222 24.5gr___2339 This matches the ballistics of the old 25-35 with a 20-inch barrel. Put this load in a 20-inch barrel you should get 2400fps. This looks like a good eastern woods or hog load. 320pf |
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