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MN, USA
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Posted: 3/20/2014 7:01:44 PM EDT
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What loads are you guys using for long distance shooting and what are you finding is the longest distance for this round?
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NY, USA
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Posted: 3/21/2014 11:25:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mnwhiskeyman:
What loads are you guys using for long distance shooting and what are you finding is the longest distance for this round? thanks The 25-223Ar can run with the best of them out at distance. Here is a link to several ground squirrel kill out a 721 yrds. You will find several posts on this around page 50 of this thread. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_121/4...3.html&page=50 |
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Posted: 3/21/2014 4:07:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Altair]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 320pf:
The 25-223Ar can run with the best of them out at distance. Here is a link to several ground squirrel kill out a 721 yrds. You will find several posts on this around page 50 of this thread. Page 50 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 320pf:
Originally Posted By Mnwhiskeyman:
What loads are you guys using for long distance shooting and what are you finding is the longest distance for this round? thanks The 25-223Ar can run with the best of them out at distance. Here is a link to several ground squirrel kill out a 721 yrds. You will find several posts on this around page 50 of this thread. Page 50 Fixed the URL, and made it hot. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 3/22/2014 9:01:44 AM EDT
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Thanks, Altair,
The hazards of posting/editing at an airport on an iphone while waiting for a flight. |
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Posted: 3/22/2014 9:16:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 320pf:
Thanks, Altair, The hazards of posting/editing at an airport on an iphone while waiting for a flight. I figured. It looks like your phone abbreviated the URL. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2014 10:27:06 AM EDT
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I don't need any yet, but Midway just sent me an alert that they have AA2200 8lb in stock
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IL, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2014 10:28:02 AM EDT
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Sorry, Midway just went out of stock again
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SC, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2014 11:39:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: SCPossum1]
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Just grabbed 5 lbs. Thanks for the heads up. Would have loved the 8lbs canister, but at least it was cheaper than what I can buy it for locally. They still have the 1lb cans left. Now I feel good about continuing to "test". That's my excuse for burning some powder. :)
I just added an SLR DA7 to my 25 and put an SA7 on the 300BLK. I'll have to run them in a few weeks to see what it changes. Here is the link. These guys treated me really well - outstanding customer service. http://slrrifleworks.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=57_73&product_id=87 |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2014 7:51:43 PM EDT
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I have a Syrac Ordnance on mine.
It works awesome. I was able to drill out my gas port, and dial in with the adjustable gas block. Let me know how this one works. I am itching for another build. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2014 10:22:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chewbacca:
Would any of you guys be interested in having a throat reamer made that would increase the length of the throat? The longer throat would allow bullets to be seated deeper (as in 2.30 without hitting the lands) which would allow more powder to be used. Even at the 2.26 length, the longer throat would drop pressures allowing for a higher margin of safety for max loads. It would also increase the variety of bullet types that can be used. The reamer would be a hand tool that anybody could use provided you have a vice, so you would not need to send your barrel to a machinist. Any interest? Let me know when you find out. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2014 3:01:30 AM EDT
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Looking at a wildcat for my next build specifically for deer hunting. I'm thinking that probably a 100-110 gr bullet is minimum, but i could be wrong on that. Has anyone killed a deer with one of these? I have blacktail in my area. I usually hunt deer with a 30-06 and killed one last year with a 150gr at about 110 yards, but i also hunt elk with the same rifle and i'm tired of re zeroing for different bullet weights between seasons as elk is a 180gr. I'm really torn between 25-223, the 6.5 PCC and the .277 wolverine. I probably don't need much more than 300 yards out of it.
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SC, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2014 6:18:37 AM EDT
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You need to read pages 69-71 for my reviews. There are many more scattered
Through the 73 pages of data and pictures. The only deer we did not get this year is one I misjudged the distance and shot just under at 325 yds. I set this gun up to deer hunt with my 9 year old son and it pretty much smoked everything we shot. It accounted for a nice hog as well. I highly recommend it as it is easy to reload for as well. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2014 7:25:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SCPossum1:
You need to read pages 69-71 for my reviews. There are many more scattered Through the 73 pages of data and pictures. The only deer we did not get this year is one I misjudged the distance and shot just under at 325 yds. I set this gun up to deer hunt with my 9 year old son and it pretty much smoked everything we shot. It accounted for a nice hog as well. I highly recommend it as it is easy to reload for as well. That is awesome. Thank you for pointing me to those! You take a lot of deer. We get one per year per person unless we get drawn for a second, but some of our deer are pretty big as well. Looks like those 100gr's do some damage. Just what i'm looking for. Thanks! |
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USA
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Posted: 3/27/2014 9:11:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Dr69er]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SCPossum1:
You need to read pages 69-71 for my reviews. There are many more scattered Through the 73 pages of data and pictures. The only deer we did not get this year is one I misjudged the distance and shot just under at 325 yds. I set this gun up to deer hunt with my 9 year old son and it pretty much smoked everything we shot. It accounted for a nice hog as well. I highly recommend it as it is easy to reload for as well. 6.5mm PCC @ 405 Yards Running Shots with the Nosler 125gr. Partitions at One Whitetail Doe and One Whitetail Buck in the Alabama woods a few years ago, 18" Bbl. length...Good Luck.  </a>" />
110 Yards with a 120 gr. Speer HotCor SSP quartering shot (lousy shot placement, but only ran about 35/40 yards, massive blood loss, 70 caliber exit wound) young heavy bodied Whitetail Buck, shot at private hunting land in NW Delaware Valley NY. 20" Bbl. length.  </a>" />
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SC, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2014 11:41:10 AM EDT
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Nice shooting.
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Posted: 3/27/2014 11:48:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Altair]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By powder007:
Looking at a wildcat for my next build specifically for deer hunting. I'm thinking that probably a 100-110 gr bullet is minimum, but i could be wrong on that. Has anyone killed a deer with one of these? I have blacktail in my area. I usually hunt deer with a 30-06 and killed one last year with a 150gr at about 110 yards, but i also hunt elk with the same rifle and i'm tired of re zeroing for different bullet weights between seasons as elk is a 180gr. I'm really torn between 25-223, the 6.5 PCC and the .277 wolverine. I probably don't need much more than 300 yards out of it. I don't know anything about the .277 Wolverine but the .25-223 and 6.5 PCC are both easily usable for deer sized game. Bullets in the 100gr range for the .25-223 and the 120gr range for the 6.5 PCC are most likely where you'll want to look but you can go a bit lighter, particularly with bullets like the Barnes TSX/TTSX. I have no doubt the 80gr TTSX would be a great deer bullet from the .25-223 for example. The 6.5 PCC has a bit more bullet weight and energy, as well as better BC, over the .25-223 but the .25-223 is a bit easier to reload and works fine in unmodified AR mags. You won't go wrong with either. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/27/2014 1:02:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Altair:
I don't know anything about the .277 Wolverine but the .25-223 and 6.5 PCC are both easily usable for deer sized game. Bullets in the 100gr range for the .25-223 and the 120gr range for the 6.5 PCC are most likely where you'll want to look but you can go a bit lighter, particularly with bullets like the Barnes TSX/TTSX. I have no doubt the 80gr TTSX would be a great deer bullet from the .25-223 for example. The 6.5 PCC has a bit more bullet weight and energy, as well as better BC, over the .25-223 but the .25-223 is a bit easier to reload and works fine in unmodified AR mags. You won't go wrong with either. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Altair:
Originally Posted By powder007:
Looking at a wildcat for my next build specifically for deer hunting. I'm thinking that probably a 100-110 gr bullet is minimum, but i could be wrong on that. Has anyone killed a deer with one of these? I have blacktail in my area. I usually hunt deer with a 30-06 and killed one last year with a 150gr at about 110 yards, but i also hunt elk with the same rifle and i'm tired of re zeroing for different bullet weights between seasons as elk is a 180gr. I'm really torn between 25-223, the 6.5 PCC and the .277 wolverine. I probably don't need much more than 300 yards out of it. I don't know anything about the .277 Wolverine but the .25-223 and 6.5 PCC are both easily usable for deer sized game. Bullets in the 100gr range for the .25-223 and the 120gr range for the 6.5 PCC are most likely where you'll want to look but you can go a bit lighter, particularly with bullets like the Barnes TSX/TTSX. I have no doubt the 80gr TTSX would be a great deer bullet from the .25-223 for example. The 6.5 PCC has a bit more bullet weight and energy, as well as better BC, over the .25-223 but the .25-223 is a bit easier to reload and works fine in unmodified AR mags. You won't go wrong with either. Thanks Altair, Some 6.5mm PCC end users are having very good success with the 6.5mm Barnes 100 TSX style pills, with accuracy and velocity...Good Luck. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2014 3:41:19 PM EDT
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Great info guys, thank you!
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USA
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Posted: 3/27/2014 8:11:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By powder007:
Great info guys, thank you! There are a lot of good things going for these calibers like the .25-223AR, 6.5mm PCC/6.8mm PCC, .277 Wolverine, and 7.62x40mm WT (It all depends which calibers you favor and the task at had you wish to use them for) all of which have a advantage of being easy to reload for, accurate, need minimal work to convert to (just a barrel swap), plenty of available and economical .223 brass, and components, and low recoil, etc. There are plenty of good knowledgeable guys here on the variants section of this forum...we can always learn something new . |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2014 3:11:34 AM EDT
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My original plan was to build a 6.5 Grendel. Obviously new bolt, barrel and mags, but what really tripped me up is i can't find the ammo. I don't even own one and i've been trying to buy it. This seems way more economical to me. My state has a .24 min caliber for big game, but i can use .22 for cats. All 3 of these wildcats basically fit exactly what i want, because you guys are obviously shooting at pretty good range and using them for hunting applications, dropping animals in their tracks too with properly placed shots. Now i just have to figure out which one fits my needs the most, so i have some reading to do on all the threads. My gut feeling right now is the 25-223 but they are all appealing to me. Might have to build one for me and a different one for the wife!
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NY, USA
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Posted: 4/1/2014 12:34:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 320pf]
[#21]
Hi All,
The throat reamer has been ordered. If you are interested in extending the freebore in your barrel let me know. One other is there any interest in putting together another group buy/order for barresl? 320pf Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chewbacca:
Would any of you guys be interested in having a throat reamer made that would increase the length of the throat? The longer throat would allow bullets to be seated deeper (as in 2.30 without hitting the lands) which would allow more powder to be used. Even at the 2.26 length, the longer throat would drop pressures allowing for a higher margin of safety for max loads. It would also increase the variety of bullet types that can be used. The reamer would be a hand tool that anybody could use provided you have a vice, so you would not need to send your barrel to a machinist. Any interest? |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/1/2014 4:02:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 320pf:
Hi All, The throat reamer has been ordered. If you are interested in extending the freebore in their barrel let me know. One other is there any interest in putting together another group buy/order for barresl? 320pf Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 320pf:
Hi All, The throat reamer has been ordered. If you are interested in extending the freebore in their barrel let me know. One other is there any interest in putting together another group buy/order for barresl? 320pf Originally Posted By chewbacca:
Would any of you guys be interested in having a throat reamer made that would increase the length of the throat? The longer throat would allow bullets to be seated deeper (as in 2.30 without hitting the lands) which would allow more powder to be used. Even at the 2.26 length, the longer throat would drop pressures allowing for a higher margin of safety for max loads. It would also increase the variety of bullet types that can be used. The reamer would be a hand tool that anybody could use provided you have a vice, so you would not need to send your barrel to a machinist. Any interest? I'm interested. What is the price? I've spent so much money lately on reloading stuff, and my rifle i just built, that i'm kind of on a budget. May even have to convert the rifle i built to shoot this before deer season if i can get powder for loading the ammo. |
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Posted: 4/1/2014 9:06:05 AM EDT
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One other is there any interest in putting together another group buy/order for barresl?
320pf Me and a couple buddies have a interest in barrels , more info please |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 4/1/2014 10:42:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 320pf:
Hi All, The throat reamer has been ordered. If you are interested in extending the freebore in their barrel let me know. One other is there any interest in putting together another group buy/order for barresl? 320pf Interested in both. I have a close friend who needs the barrel buy info. |
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Posted: 4/1/2014 7:00:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 320pf:
Hi All, The throat reamer has been ordered. If you are interested in extending the freebore in your barrel let me know. One other is there any interest in putting together another group buy/order for barresl? 320pf Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 320pf:
Hi All, The throat reamer has been ordered. If you are interested in extending the freebore in your barrel let me know. One other is there any interest in putting together another group buy/order for barresl? 320pf Originally Posted By chewbacca:
Would any of you guys be interested in having a throat reamer made that would increase the length of the throat? The longer throat would allow bullets to be seated deeper (as in 2.30 without hitting the lands) which would allow more powder to be used. Even at the 2.26 length, the longer throat would drop pressures allowing for a higher margin of safety for max loads. It would also increase the variety of bullet types that can be used. The reamer would be a hand tool that anybody could use provided you have a vice, so you would not need to send your barrel to a machinist. Any interest? Awesome. Let me know how much I owe you. This is going to be great. |
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Posted: 4/1/2014 7:03:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 320pf:
Hi All, The throat reamer has been ordered. If you are interested in extending the freebore in your barrel let me know. One other is there any interest in putting together another group buy/order for barresl? 320pf Are you going to send the reamer out or need the barrels sent to you? If you're sending the reamer out I'm interested but I probably won't send both of my barrels back and pay for shipping two ways. I may be interested in barrels, PM inbound on those. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 4/1/2014 9:20:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 320pf]
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Altair:
Are you going to send the reamer out or need the barrels sent to you? If you're sending the reamer out I'm interested but I probably won't send both of my barrels back and pay for shipping two ways. I may be interested in barrels, PM inbound on those. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Altair:
Originally Posted By 320pf:
Hi All, The throat reamer has been ordered. If you are interested in extending the freebore in your barrel let me know. One other is there any interest in putting together another group buy/order for barresl? 320pf Are you going to send the reamer out or need the barrels sent to you? If you're sending the reamer out I'm interested but I probably won't send both of my barrels back and pay for shipping two ways. I may be interested in barrels, PM inbound on those. PM reply. I think that it will depend on weather the individual is comfortable with doing the job themselves and think that they want to take the shot or have it done. I would like folks to generate some before and after results to see how much velocity gain you get be extending the freebore. It could be interesting. |
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Posted: 4/1/2014 10:16:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 320pf:
PM reply. I think that it will depend on weather the individual is comfortable with doing the job themselves and think that they want to take the shot or have it done. I would like generate some before and after results to see how much velocity gain you get be extending the freebore. It could be interesting. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 320pf:
Originally Posted By Altair:
Originally Posted By 320pf:
Hi All, The throat reamer has been ordered. If you are interested in extending the freebore in your barrel let me know. One other is there any interest in putting together another group buy/order for barresl? 320pf Are you going to send the reamer out or need the barrels sent to you? If you're sending the reamer out I'm interested but I probably won't send both of my barrels back and pay for shipping two ways. I may be interested in barrels, PM inbound on those. PM reply. I think that it will depend on weather the individual is comfortable with doing the job themselves and think that they want to take the shot or have it done. I would like generate some before and after results to see how much velocity gain you get be extending the freebore. It could be interesting. I look forward to seeing how this affects velocity and accuracy. I still have all my data from loading various bullets and powders so it won't be hard to compare velocities before and after. I'll need to do some bench testing before I ream anything in order to do a fair comparison of accuracy. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:14:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: powder007]
[#29]
Anyone done any loads with H322? Edit: nevermind, should have searched first.
I just scored 6 lbs of H322. Hopefully i didn't get in on the backorder end. We shall see. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/7/2014 9:09:15 AM EDT
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Any word on the barrel buy yet?
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/13/2014 11:32:32 PM EDT
[#31]
I meant to post this here but I accidents started a new thread.
There are some Redding 25-223 dies for sale on another forum. I don't know if the rules permit me to name the site or post a link, someone can advise. And if so I will post. If you are intrested PM me. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 4/14/2014 8:56:12 AM EDT
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Midway has some
Winchester Bullets 257 Caliber (257 Diameter) 117 Grain Power-Point Box of 100 (Bulk Packaged). Any thoughts? |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 9:50:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By arrow422:
Midway has some Winchester Bullets 257 Caliber (257 Diameter) 117 Grain Power-Point Box of 100 (Bulk Packaged). Any thoughts? I'm assuming you mean these: Winchester 117gr Power Point .257" Bullets (100 Pack) My first through is that they may not feed well from an AR magazine. Second, 117gr is pushing the useful weight range in this caliber as velocity will suffer. I'm not saying they can't be used, but they wouldn't be my first choice. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2014 4:55:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: powder007]
[#34]
I'm not trying to be impatient but any updates on the barrels? Also what are the sources for dies and are you getting a buy going on those too? I'm just really hoping to have a dedicated deer rifle this year!
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IL, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:25:02 PM EDT
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I was able to get my dies from Midway USA. Please check the thread. The item #'s are on the blog.
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NY, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2014 9:51:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 320pf]
[#36]
I have been in contact with my two sources for barrels. My usual source is still backordered and give a 6 to 8 week delivery time before I get them. My original source for Shilen barrel has barrels in stock but the price is significantly higher. I will be contacting the individuals who indicated that they were interested in the group buy.
Most people are using Redding 223 bushing dies fro sizing their brass. Midway USA is a good source. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2014 9:03:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SCPossum1]
[#37]
This is what I used this year to shoot our deer with. They have one box left and I don't know anyone that has any more.
Production is "temporarily" suspended. Btw, Midway still has some 2200 1 pounders left with a 6-8 week wait. http://ammo-reloading.com/257-Hornady-100gr-JSP-2540-H2540.htm |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 9:10:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SCPossum1:
This is what I used this year to shoot our deer with. They have one box left and I don't know anyone that has any more. Production is "temporarily" suspended. Btw, Midway still has some 2200 1 pounders left with a 6-8 week wait. http://ammo-reloading.com/257-Hornady-100gr-JSP-2540-H2540.htm I was never able to get the same velocity from the 100gr Hornady FB that I could get from the 100gr Sierra Game Kings. I don't know if it was due to bearing surface or some other factor. I have lots of the Hornady bullets as I got them on a blem sale several years ago. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2014 10:07:42 PM EDT
[#39]
You are correct. They run a little slower than the Sierras. But, in my gun seems like they generate less pressure on hot days. They do perform very well on game.
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Posted: 4/20/2014 10:32:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SCPossum1:
You are correct. They run a little slower than the Sierras. But, in my gun seems like they generate less pressure on hot days. They do perform very well on game.
Good to know. Like I said, I have lots of them. I was running around 2400-2450fps from my 16" with them and they shot pretty well, just couldn't push them much harder. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2014 3:26:58 AM EDT
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Ok i found the Redding die set on Midway. Planning to order here in the next couple weeks. What crimp die would work, or does it matter?
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2014 4:10:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: powder007]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 320pf:
I have been in contact with my two sources for barrels. My usual source is still backordered and give a 6 to 8 week delivery time before I get them. My original source for Shilen barrel has barrels in stock but the price is significantly higher. I will be contacting the individuals who indicated that they were interested in the group buy. Most people are using Redding 223 bushing dies fro sizing their brass. Midway USA is a good source. I will be in for a lightweight 18-20" if that's going to be an option. 6 to 8 weeks sounds perfectly reasonable. I take it they are threaded? |
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Posted: 5/1/2014 11:56:11 PM EDT
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Any updates on the reamer?
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NY, USA
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Posted: 5/2/2014 6:57:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 320pf]
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Hi chewbacca,
The throat reamer is in. I hope to post some some before and after pictures of throat reamed chamber this weekend. |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 5/3/2014 9:43:30 PM EDT
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excellent
I have just finished my reloading area at the new house and hopefully be getting to more load work in the 25ar. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2014 5:51:53 AM EDT
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I talked to a rep from BHW at a gun show in WA a couple weekends ago and they said they have a 6 week turnaround on a 1:9 25x45. Maybe i missed it but we can use the 25x45 chambering for 25-223 correct? What's different?
Any updates on the barrel buy? |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2014 7:01:54 AM EDT
[#47]
Hi All,
Eight barrels shipped on Friday. Anybody wanting a barrel PM me. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2014 7:28:45 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 320pf:
Hi All, Eight barrels shipped on Friday. Anybody wanting a barrel PM me. Says your inbox is full sir. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2014 10:05:16 AM EDT
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Try it now
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WA, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2014 11:20:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 320pf:
Try it now I tried to call the number in the email you sent me and couldn't get through. It said i'd reached a non working number. I sent you an email with my number. |
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