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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/12/2012 9:57:30 AM EDT
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After all that has happened with the dies, I apoligize for helping to generate interest in this cartridge. This is not the way things were suppose to work out. Those that were able to get the original dies have had no problems, but it is obvious that those made after that point are defective. The 25/223 has been around for awhile and C-H had existing dies when Brent and I had the first two barrels fabricated. We did not changed anything and it should had been a simple task for them to produce more sets for those that came afterwards. The only way to phrase it is , "they blew it!"
I can understand the delay for having die sets produced. Companies have their manufacturing schedules, and we can't expect them to jump on small runs just because we want them. However, once they made the manufacturing error, C-H should be doing everything possible to correct the issue as fast as possible. There is no excuse for this matter not to corrected within a couple of weeks at the longest. The standard practice of claiming delays for heat-treating won't cut it. If a company such as C-H is farming out their heat-treating, they should explain the problem to them to speed things up on this run, or search for a new heat-treater. This is not the way to treat your customers. Mistakes are excusable, this type of customer service is not. For those having problems, hang in there. The 25/223 has proven to be a fantastic variant that is easy to work with and a sizable increase in power over the standard .223. Results have proven it to be a rather accurate combination. Hopefully C-H will step up and correct the issue, while at the same time, another die manufacturer will produce a supply for us. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/12/2012 10:53:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Blammer]
[#2]
thanks greycard for showing that you really are concerned.
I'm going to call CH4D tomorrow and see if they won't sub out my sizer die (that don't work) with one of their neck sizer bushing sizers dies. It may be a simpler fix for them, I dunno. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/12/2012 11:21:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Blammer]
[#3]
Hopefully with the right size bushing, my problems will be solved.
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Posted: 2/12/2012 1:32:35 PM EDT
[#4]
How about we organize some type of Hornady group buy?
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/12/2012 5:52:35 PM EDT
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Even though I have a set of C-H dies that work, I would be in on a set from Hornady.
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 2/12/2012 8:18:59 PM EDT
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I would be in for a FL die from hornady
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Posted: 2/14/2012 10:39:00 PM EDT
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Lets do something then... is there a procedure to group buying? Shall we just pool our money together and make an order? Brent, you want to take the lead on this since you have the actual drawings, or is that not necessary?
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 2/14/2012 11:09:36 PM EDT
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Technically hornady has whats needed, if I get a chance I will call them tomorrow and speak to them. Ill also check on my Lee order.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/15/2012 8:21:28 AM EDT
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scatterbrains,
You are a leader among men. Let us know what Hornady has to say. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/15/2012 5:26:21 PM EDT
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well no joy here, I've tried several other options to get a die that will FL resize 25/223, nothing is avialable right now, or it's a custom order.
If Hornady does the 'bulk buy' deal, can we get it with an adjustable neck bushing feature? IMO that would be the cats meow. |
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Posted: 2/17/2012 11:52:36 AM EDT
[#11]
Originally Posted By LtBlue425:
Cost was $150 plus shipping. I don't know if it gets cheaper once a die set has been designed/produced. Mine was the first he'd done so the "R&D" is out of the way. LT, was your barrel from 320Pf? I need to know if it was cut with the same reamer? Thanks |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 2/18/2012 6:25:37 PM EDT
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A little update, First i have not called hornady i will def do so on tues. Second i still havent called Lee but did get Email response that they are backed up and my order is still waiting. Not a huge deal to me.
Best news is i finally got the AR to cycle and goddamn this sumbitch shoots! Had to drill out to #46 .0810" flawless runs on a fully stock buffer setup I have a new favorite mag also for the 25AR, Lancer 10rd fantastic and can accept a little longer OAL. Also got to chrono my loads ran 20 over it a avg of 2550fps. Only played at 50 due to zeroing my .22 and messing with the chrono. Kept all rounds in a 1" square. Very happy now  Now i will start working up some serious ladder tests from 25-27gr see where the sweet spot is. I will def have some updates as i also joined a range so i will prob be shooting every Sunday now. 
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Posted: 2/20/2012 9:44:02 PM EDT
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I emailed Hornady and if LT's barrel was made with 320PF's reamer, they can replicate the dies. No word on pricing yet. So.... LT, please let us know.
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Posted: 2/21/2012 3:21:45 AM EDT
[#14]
Originally Posted By chewbacca:
Originally Posted By LtBlue425:
Cost was $150 plus shipping. I don't know if it gets cheaper once a die set has been designed/produced. Mine was the first he'd done so the "R&D" is out of the way. LT, was your barrel from 320Pf? I need to know if it was cut with the same reamer? Thanks Sorry...been off-line for a few days. Yep, my barrel came from 320pf. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 2/22/2012 2:13:12 AM EDT
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I must have been lucky with my CH dies - I've repeatedly necked several pieces of brass up to 7mm and then put them through the FL sizer to test them and the ID of the neck comes back to .253" consistently.
I've not shot them yet, but so far so good... |
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Posted: 2/23/2012 8:50:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: VeritatisUnus]
[#16]
Originally Posted By ocelott:
I must have been lucky with my CH dies - I've repeatedly necked several pieces of brass up to 7mm and then put them through the FL sizer to test them and the ID of the neck comes back to .253" consistently. I've not shot them yet, but so far so good... My problems arose after I shot. Its never new brass, but once fired. ETA: 150 bucks a set from Hornady using LT's part/order number. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/24/2012 1:47:47 PM EDT
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Speed vs. Accuracy
I trotted (slow ATV ride) down to my range today to do some final testing between 2200 & H335. After shooting (5) five-shot groups with each powder there was a clear difference between the two. The 2200 climbed up to an avg. 2617 fps without givnig pressure signs but the groups averaged 1 1/2 MOA. The H335 averaged 2505 fps but all groups were under MOA. Being an accuracy nut, I'll give up a little velocity. However, those wanting more energy might want to try the 2200. I had similar results with comparing the H322 to H335. H322 gave the best groups but H335 the best velocity. That time, the difference in accuracy wasn't enough to worry about. |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 2/24/2012 4:05:11 PM EDT
[#18]
Originally Posted By Graycard:
Speed vs. Accuracy I trotted (slow ATV ride) down to my range today to do some final testing between 2200 & H335. After shooting (5) five-shot groups with each powder there was a clear difference between the two. The 2200 climbed up to an avg. 2617 fps without givnig pressure signs but the groups averaged 1 1/2 MOA. The H335 averaged 2505 fps but all groups were under MOA. Being an accuracy nut, I'll give up a little velocity. However, those wanting more energy might want to try the 2200. I had similar results with comparing the H322 to H335. H322 gave the best groups but H335 the best velocity. That time, the difference in accuracy wasn't enough to worry about. 100gr bullets? |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/24/2012 6:51:03 PM EDT
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That's a little detail I should have mentioned. Yes, 100 grainers.
I'm one of those that favors the heavier bullets for this cartridge. After all, I'm trying to get the best gain possible over the 62-77 grain .223. |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 2/25/2012 12:37:59 AM EDT
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I figured it was a 100gr considering your background with it
Ive been working with the 85gr for Groundhog control
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/25/2012 7:25:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Graycard]
[#21]
Originally Posted By scatterbrains:
I figured it was a 100gr considering your background with it
Ive been working with the 85gr for Groundhog control So far we have only seen one groundhog on the property and my wife has named it Archie. I'll load mine for coyotes and deer. For what it is worth, after trying the different loads at 100 yards I moved over to my 500 yard range. A 12x12 metal plate was an easy victim. Granted, I was lobbing them in at that distance, but it was fun. I've tried 67 load combinations with this cartridge and have basically settled on 25.3 gr. H335 with a 100 gr. Sierra and Rem. 7 1/2 primer. The Speer 100 grain bulllet had a tad better accuracy and I may try them a little more but the Sierras were available locally. Now I can start to work up a stockpile. Overall, I've worked with the 25/223 and the 7.62x40WT with great success with both of them. Now I don't mind going back and changing a few parts to improve the rifle. I really like the Wilson fore-end I have on the 7.62x40WT (ditto for the Wilson trigger unit) and will add these to the 25/223. I've also noticed an accuracy edge when I switched out a DPMS bolt and carrier over another unit. If nothing else, the AR platform is the "tinker toy" of the rifle world. It has opended up the wildcat world to the average shooter. What makes these two cartridges really nice is you only have to change a barrel. (Here I go again, preaching to the choir.) |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 2/26/2012 10:50:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: scatterbrains]
[#22]
Got out today and did more ladder testing. Still using H335 went from 25.2-26gr in a .2gr increments. My intent was 2 rounds over the chrono then a 3 round group. well found out chronos dont work so well in the shade at late day
Anyhow shot great no psi signs so im goin to do another ladder from 26-28gr. Shot well finally can bench it to 100yd. oddly i shoot better prone with the bipod. I really like this rifle and cartridge combination. Here is my last 7 shots of the day at 100yd 
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/27/2012 10:51:06 AM EDT
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I take it you are still working with the 85 grainers.
With the 100 gr. bullets, pressure signs were showing up at 25.5 grains of H335 and I backed off to 25.3 for my everyday load. 100 grain soft points at 2500 fps should take care of anything on the homestead. |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 11:06:34 AM EDT
[#24]
Originally Posted By Graycard:
I take it you are still working with the 85 grainers. With the 100 gr. bullets, pressure signs were showing up at 25.5 grains of H335 and I backed off to 25.3 for my everyday load. 100 grain soft points at 2500 fps should take care of anything on the homestead. What's your barrel length with that load? |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 11:23:32 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By QuicksilverJPR:
Originally Posted By Graycard:
I take it you are still working with the 85 grainers. With the 100 gr. bullets, pressure signs were showing up at 25.5 grains of H335 and I backed off to 25.3 for my everyday load. 100 grain soft points at 2500 fps should take care of anything on the homestead. What's your barrel length with that load? 16". I get similar velocity with my 16" using H4198 but with less powder. I get 2500fps from 22.0gr and 2550 from 22.5 but I have ejector swipes with 22.5gr. |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:05:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Altair:
Originally Posted By QuicksilverJPR:
Originally Posted By Graycard:
I take it you are still working with the 85 grainers. With the 100 gr. bullets, pressure signs were showing up at 25.5 grains of H335 and I backed off to 25.3 for my everyday load. 100 grain soft points at 2500 fps should take care of anything on the homestead. What's your barrel length with that load? 16". I get similar velocity with my 16" using H4198 but with less powder. I get 2500fps from 22.0gr and 2550 from 22.5 but I have ejector swipes with 22.5gr. Nice! I was thinking about a lightweight profile 20" to get a bit more velocity out of it.... |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:12:38 PM EDT
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Sorry yes using 85gr nosler BT with R&P/win brass CCI 41 primers.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:24:30 PM EDT
[#28]
Originally Posted By QuicksilverJPR:
Originally Posted By Altair:
Originally Posted By QuicksilverJPR:
Originally Posted By Graycard:
I take it you are still working with the 85 grainers. With the 100 gr. bullets, pressure signs were showing up at 25.5 grains of H335 and I backed off to 25.3 for my everyday load. 100 grain soft points at 2500 fps should take care of anything on the homestead. What's your barrel length with that load? 16". I get similar velocity with my 16" using H4198 but with less powder. I get 2500fps from 22.0gr and 2550 from 22.5 but I have ejector swipes with 22.5gr. Nice! I was thinking about a lightweight profile 20" to get a bit more velocity out of it.... In case I didn't mention it, 16 inch barrel. All of this started for me when I was looking for a good "walk-around" rifle. At the same time, with the stock fully extended, it still stays tucked in nicely on the rack of my ATV without sticking out past the fenders. However, at times I wonder if I might go back and try a longer barrel for the velocity gain. |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:47:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Graycard:
Originally Posted By QuicksilverJPR:
Originally Posted By Altair:
Originally Posted By QuicksilverJPR:
Originally Posted By Graycard:
I take it you are still working with the 85 grainers. With the 100 gr. bullets, pressure signs were showing up at 25.5 grains of H335 and I backed off to 25.3 for my everyday load. 100 grain soft points at 2500 fps should take care of anything on the homestead. What's your barrel length with that load? 16". I get similar velocity with my 16" using H4198 but with less powder. I get 2500fps from 22.0gr and 2550 from 22.5 but I have ejector swipes with 22.5gr. Nice! I was thinking about a lightweight profile 20" to get a bit more velocity out of it.... In case I didn't mention it, 16 inch barrel. All of this started for me when I was looking for a good "walk-around" rifle. At the same time, with the stock fully extended, it still stays tucked in nicely on the rack of my ATV without sticking out past the fenders. However, at times I wonder if I might go back and try a longer barrel for the velocity gain. You can probably squeeze another 70-100fps out of it going up 4 more inches.... |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 3:14:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Altair]
[#30]
Originally Posted By QuicksilverJPR:
Originally Posted By Graycard:
Originally Posted By QuicksilverJPR:
Originally Posted By Altair:
Originally Posted By QuicksilverJPR:
Originally Posted By Graycard:
I take it you are still working with the 85 grainers. With the 100 gr. bullets, pressure signs were showing up at 25.5 grains of H335 and I backed off to 25.3 for my everyday load. 100 grain soft points at 2500 fps should take care of anything on the homestead. What's your barrel length with that load? 16". I get similar velocity with my 16" using H4198 but with less powder. I get 2500fps from 22.0gr and 2550 from 22.5 but I have ejector swipes with 22.5gr. Nice! I was thinking about a lightweight profile 20" to get a bit more velocity out of it.... In case I didn't mention it, 16 inch barrel. All of this started for me when I was looking for a good "walk-around" rifle. At the same time, with the stock fully extended, it still stays tucked in nicely on the rack of my ATV without sticking out past the fenders. However, at times I wonder if I might go back and try a longer barrel for the velocity gain. You can probably squeeze another 70-100fps out of it going up 4 more inches.... I believe it was 320pf that got to 2600fps with H335. Looking back at the load data he supplied me it shows 26.1gr of H335 yielded 2604fps with a 100gr Speer SPBT in a 16" barrel. I think 100fps is a reasonable expectation to gain with 4" of barrel so you could potentially be knocking on the door of 2700fps pretty quickly with a 20". This caliber won't gain as much as .223 will from the extra barrel but it will gain more than 7.62x40, which gets about 100fps extra going from 16" to 20" using A1680. I think at least a 100fps gain using H335 in the .25-223, but I don't have any 20" data to confirm that. ETA: Taking a bit closer look at what Brent sent me, it looks like the 26.1gr of H335 were a bit over his max load, which is 25.7gr. 25.7gr of H335 in a 16" gave 2560fps. I think you might get a tick more than 100fps gain in the 20" so I still think 2700fps is plausible. Regardless, I like my 16" guns so I won't be trying it myself. |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 2/27/2012 3:30:11 PM EDT
[#31]
with AA2200 you would probably see a bit more from a 20" barrel.
Also keep in mind every barrel may be a little diff. Im @2600fps with the 85gr at 25gr of 335. Im hoping illl get out this weekend with the next ladder and break 3K 
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Posted: 2/27/2012 5:33:43 PM EDT
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Anybody shooting a SBR?
How would a 12" or 12.5" compare to a 6.8 with the same length barrel? |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 2/27/2012 5:38:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By krpind:
Anybody shooting a SBR? How would a 12" or 12.5" compare to a 6.8 with the same length barrel? Dont think anyone is unless they cut their barrel, nothing shorter than 16" has been made to my knowledge. I guess it would work pretty good inside 250yds for a pig or deer gun. Suppressed it may shine with a SBR actually better than most would think. Pretty sure being suppressed would take the pussy cat recoil into the 22RF zone. Although i cant say for sure. Do it give us updates 
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/27/2012 6:06:53 PM EDT
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It's been about two years since Brent and I had barrels chambered. I hate to admit it, but I have blown my share of primers during the load testing.
A good chronograph and having my own range has really given me an advantage over some with my load developemnt, but please start slow and work your way up with any loads I list. I ordered both Brent's barrel and my own at the same time (both made from Shilen blanks), we had them chambered at the same time, by the same person (thankfully, Brent already had the reamer) and there is still a slight difference between them. Add in the difference from one chrono to the next and even the difference in location between us and I have been surprised our data matches up as much as it does. However, at times I have to go back and see what my orignal aim (no pun intended) was for this rifle and re-set my expectations back to what they were two years ago. 100 grain bullet @ 2500 fps in a good carry rife for everyday use around my property. Well, I think I have it. The accuracy level has been an added bonus. That is also with a load that has been safe IN MY RIFLE. In fact, with the 2200 I've gotten between 2600-2650 fps without worry but chose to go back down in favor of accuracy. But what the heck, I still have some more bullets to try! |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 2/27/2012 6:09:56 PM EDT
[#35]
Originally Posted By Graycard:
It's been about two years since Brent and I had barrels chambered. I hate to admit it, but I have blown my share of primers during the load testing. A good chronograph and having my own range has really given me an advantage over some with my load developemnt, but please start slow and work your way up with any loads I list. I ordered both Brent's barrel and my own at the same time (both made from Shilen blanks), we had them chambered at the same time, by the same person (thankfully, Brent already had the reamer) and there is still a slight difference between them. Add in the difference from one chrono to the next and even the difference in location between us and I have been surprised our data matches up as much as it does. However, at times I have to go back and see what my orignal aim (no pun intended) was for this rifle and re-set my expectations back to what they were two years ago. 100 grain bullet @ 2500 fps in a good carry rife for everyday use around my property. Well, I think I have it. The accuracy level has been an added bonus. That is also with a load that has been safe IN MY RIFLE. In fact, with the 2200 I've gotten between 2600-2650 fps without worry but chose to go back down in favor of accuracy. But what the heck, I still have some more bullets to try! yup lots of bullets out there
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/27/2012 6:22:40 PM EDT
[#36]
Anybody shooting a SBR?
How would a 12" or 12.5" compare to a 6.8 with the same length barrel? To date I don't know of anyone who has tried something shorter than 16". Brent will know for sure since he has supplied all of the barrels that I know of. I have no idea of how the two would compare. To be honest, since I have never had a review to do on a 6.8, I've never really studied it that much. It may be the greatest thing to come about in the past 100 years for the shooting public, but the price of brass kept me from playing with it. Maybe I'm paranoid but I like having 1,000 plus rounds for all of my rifles. This puts the 6.8 out of my price range. Now the 6.8 has a true advantage in that you can buy factory ammo. However, I have been a reloader since the mid 70's and if the 25/223 was available I still would only buy a box or two for load comparison. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 2/27/2012 10:41:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 320pf]
[#37]
I have not made any barrels shorter than 16". The ballistic modeling software has been pretty good at predicting the velocities for 18 and 20 inch barrels. Here is the summary of what I would expect for a 100 gr Speer or Sierra BT bullet
20-inch= 2675-2700 I believe that this is corroborated by chewbacca 18-inch=2600-2650 16-inch=2550-2600 this is corroborated 14.5=2500-2550 12.5=2460=2500 |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 11:15:43 PM EDT
[#38]
Originally Posted By 320pf:
I have not made any barrels shorter than 16". The ballistic modeling software has been pretty good at predicting the velocities for 18 and 20 inch barrels. Here is the summary of what I would expect for a 100 gr Speer or Sierra BT bullet 20-inch= 2675-2700 I believe that this is corroborated by chewbacca 18-inch=2600-2650 16-inch=2550-2600 this is corroborated 14.5=2500-2550 12.5=2460=2500 Damn. That is awesome. How much is a 12.5 in bbl? |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 2/28/2012 12:08:03 AM EDT
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If they got a 26" blank they could maybe run two barrels out of one blank...
Hmm...
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Posted: 2/28/2012 9:46:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Army03CRNA]
[#40]
Originally Posted By Army03CRNA:
Originally Posted By garred8787:
I don't have your chamber spec's in front of me but is it an exact necked up .223? or are some other dimensions changed slightly? reason I ask if it's just necked up what about buying a redding S bushing die for .223 and buy appropriate sized bushings for 25 cal? I've shelved this cartridge for a while because of this issue (resizing the fired case necks). I thought a 25wssm die would resize the necks––not even close. I missed the die group buys––glad I did after reading these recent posts. My only success is that my gunsmith opened the neck area of a Redding 223 body die and I can resize fired case bodies, but resizing the necks consistently still eludes me. Garred8787, I went back and forth on this very thought. What I bought was 30BR rem neck bushing die from Redding. My bushing is .275, that bushing size is great for FINALLY getting neck tension resized brass. It still isn't perfect for some reason, as 1-2 pieces of brass will come out with the neck crooked (sp?) I need to call redding and see what the deal is. My fear for not buying the 223 neck bushing die was that I was unsure if they left any shoulder taper in the neck sizing die and if so, how big that diameter would be. (Not sure if that makes sense) In other words, you might not be able to insert a 25 cal neck in a 223 bushing die even with the proper size bushing. This is why I had to have the neck area of the 223 body die opened up. Also, the 30BR die is short enough that I can neck 300blk cases should I so choose––or should I need to. My final action is to have my gunsmith use my 223 chambering reamer and cut me a die (he has blanks) that will accept the .275 bushing. This should guide the (body) sized case in smoothly enough that it goes in to the (neck) sizing bushing without canting the necks. An update on this. I called Redding and spoke with Chris in the technical dept. He said Redding dies are good for One caliber larger or smaller when using a neck bushing die. In other words, to use his example, you wouldn't be able to use a 270 bushing die to neck size 30-06 necks––even with the premise you are using the proper .30 cal bushing. So, the 223 neck bushing die won't work without some machining to resize .25 cal necks. On a positive note, 25 x 223 is a custom Redding die. They do not have any full length sizers in stock, but they do have some neck sizing dies available. It's a little pricy at $117 for the neck die, but I've wasted more time and money than that already. Unfortunately, it's about 16 weeks if you want anything made that they don't have in stock. You get Redding quality and support though. I've switched almost entirely to Redding dies. Note: I've NO interest––financial or otherwise––in anything Redding makes, or sells Edit: spelling |
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Posted: 2/28/2012 9:58:27 AM EDT
[#41]
Originally Posted By scatterbrains:
with AA2200 you would probably see a bit more from a 20" barrel. Also keep in mind every barrel may be a little diff. Im @2600fps with the 85gr at 25gr of 335. Im hoping illl get out this weekend with the next ladder and break 3K
IIRC the bullet you speak of is the 85gr Nosler BT right? If so, you can expect similar velocity from it that you will get with some of the 100gr bullets that are being discussed. The huge plastic tip on the Nosler pushes the bullet back and eats up case capacity. The 85gr Nosler is 1.017" long where as the 100gr SGK is 0.984". There is no getting around that concern with such a small case. I was able to get the 85gr Nosler up to 2624fps with 22.5gr of H4198 in my 16". Anything more than that showed signs of pressure. That is only 74fps faster than the 100gr Sierra Game King (2550fps) with the same powder charge from the same barrel. In contrast, I got 2725fps with the 87gr HotCor (0.936")with 23.5gr of H4198. It is a little heavier, but much shorter, than the Nosler. Now the Nosler will obviously have an advantage with BC (.300 vs .329) but if you are looking for velocity the Noslers are not the way to go in this caliber. I only got the 100gr Noslers up to 2300fps before I started to see pressure signs with H4198. They are very long (1.115") and I don't think will be suitable for use with the .25-223. |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 2/28/2012 10:36:33 AM EDT
[#42]
Im using h335 and already at 2550 with no psi signs. I am at 26gr already and now goin to ladder to 27gr.
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 2/28/2012 10:12:47 PM EDT
[#43]
Ok guys big update on the die situation..
I got a redding S bushing 223 FL sizer and a .276 ti ni bushing. Works mint, chambers smooth perfect neck tension. I only made dummy ammo but ill be loading some up for this weekend. Pn#77111. I did not neck up 223 because I didnt get the .257 expander ball since I only needed to size my necks. Due to the dies I already have. Good luck hit up brent for barrels
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NY, USA
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Posted: 2/28/2012 11:13:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 320pf]
[#44]
I ordered the following from MidWay to try out as well. I used a pin gauge on my existing die and went with the 0.275" bushing for the best match up with the existing die that I have..
Item ID____Description________________________Price 889635____Redding Tapered Size Button #192____$14.49 137496____Redding Type S Bushing Full Leng____$62.99 888275____Redding Neck Sizer Die Bushing 2____$23.99 The die should arrive by Monday so there will be a second test/confirmation on this set-up Originally Posted By scatterbrains:
Ok guys big update on the die situation.. I got a redding S bushing 223 FL sizer and a .276 ti ni bushing. Works mint, chambers smooth perfect neck tension. I only made dummy ammo but ill be loading some up for this weekend. Pn#77111. I did not neck up 223 because I didnt get the .257 expander ball since I only needed to size my necks. Due to the dies I already have. Good luck hit up brent for barrels
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/29/2012 5:15:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Blammer]
[#45]
scatter brains, great deal! I called redding and they said that the setup you have would not work! So I didn't get it!
guess I'll be getting one now. I think I'll wait till 320's "test set arrives" and then if that works, I'm sending my CH4D stuff back for a refund and getting this. |
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Posted: 3/1/2012 12:49:50 AM EDT
[#46]
Originally Posted By 320pf:
I ordered the following from MidWay to try out as well. I used a pin gauge on my existing die and went with the 0.275" bushing for the best match up with the existing die that I have.. Item ID____Description________________________Price 889635____Redding Tapered Size Button #192____$14.49 137496____Redding Type S Bushing Full Leng____$62.99 888275____Redding Neck Sizer Die Bushing 2____$23.99 The die should arrive by Monday so there will be a second test/confirmation on this set-up 320, so this arrangement will actually resize a 223 case to the 25AR dimensions, or is it just to increase neck tension? Sorry for the ignorance, I have never used anything other than a traditional die arrangement. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 3/1/2012 6:33:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 320pf]
[#47]
This set up should work just like a regular resizing die. I will report how it works out as soon as I get the parts.
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 3/1/2012 7:43:04 PM EDT
[#48]
I also found a carbide ball in257" I will be ordering also
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/4/2012 2:34:01 PM EDT
[#49]
What about a seating die?
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/4/2012 2:57:48 PM EDT
[#50]
I may be missing something here so help me out.
Why would a 25 TCU die set not work? |
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