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Posted: 2/10/2015 10:59:11 PM EDT
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Nothing is new in this entire thread.
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Posted: 2/10/2015 11:01:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing is new in this entire thread. Well the article publish date was today, that counts for new right??  ETA: Well damn, looks like the abstract on it dated 2/4/15 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0370269314009381 |
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Posted: 2/10/2015 11:02:34 PM EDT
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When the various religions state that we cannot know the face of God or reproduce images of Allah or Whoever, they are stating Man's inability to comprehend the truth about The Universe. We do not have any idea what "It" is so we invent fantasy stories (science included)
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Posted: 2/10/2015 11:03:58 PM EDT
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No Alpha No Omega , you mean?
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Posted: 2/10/2015 11:13:35 PM EDT
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Reminds me of a Marvel comic book story from the '60s.
Hardly a new concept, even then. |
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Posted: 2/10/2015 11:15:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Reminds me of a Marvel comic book story from the '60s. Hardly a new concept, even then. yeah, but complicated proofs and math and quantum equations and stuff!!! |
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Posted: 2/10/2015 11:16:05 PM EDT
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When the various religions state that we cannot know the face of God or reproduce images of Allah or Whoever, they are stating Man's inability to comprehend the truth about The Universe. We do not have any idea what "It" is so we invent fantasy stories (science included) Trying to put science and religion on equal footing isn't going to make them equal. |
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Posted: 2/10/2015 11:21:08 PM EDT
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Mobius approves
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Posted: 2/10/2015 11:23:23 PM EDT
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This is not the end
This is not the beginning of the end It is but the end of the beginning. |
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Posted: 2/10/2015 11:32:33 PM EDT
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Trying to put science and religion on equal footing isn't going to make them equal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When the various religions state that we cannot know the face of God or reproduce images of Allah or Whoever, they are stating Man's inability to comprehend the truth about The Universe. We do not have any idea what "It" is so we invent fantasy stories (science included) Trying to put science and religion on equal footing isn't going to make them equal. All invented by and believed in by man. We need to believe in something to justify our existence. It is our nature. |
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Posted: 2/10/2015 11:35:54 PM EDT
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This is not the end This is not the beginning of the end It is but the end of the beginning. A good quote for this. The gist of the story is that their model precludes a situation where all of the universe's particles came from one point, and that means that the Big Bang could not have happened. (as I understand it; it's a Daily Mail synopsis we're working from, after all) That is followed by explaining that by setting (abitrarily?) the mass of the graviton, they can explain other cosmological phenomena. Could be BS, could be a breakthrough, but at the moment it sounds a bit like Daily Mail click bait. |
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Posted: 2/10/2015 11:44:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/10/2015 11:46:54 PM EDT
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Never mind.
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Posted: 2/10/2015 11:50:45 PM EDT
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God has always been...nothing new here.
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Posted: 2/10/2015 11:52:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/10/2015 11:52:58 PM EDT
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This is not the end This is not the beginning of the end It is but the end of the beginning. Millennium? |
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Posted: 2/10/2015 11:54:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/10/2015 11:56:25 PM EDT
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When the various religions state that we cannot know the face of God or reproduce images of Allah or Whoever, they are stating Man's inability to comprehend the truth about The Universe. We do not have any idea what "It" is so we invent fantasy stories (science included) One scientist 'invented' the fantasy of F=ma and a few short centuries later that was all you needed to put a man on the moon. Some have been claiming "let there be light ..." for a couple of thousand years but had nothing more than the mastery of candlelight, until some scientists came along and 'invented' the fantasy of electromagnetism. Surely, some invented fantasies are more useful than others. |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 12:01:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Millennium? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is not the end This is not the beginning of the end It is but the end of the beginning. Millennium? |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 12:03:22 AM EDT
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Time only exists to the human race.
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Posted: 2/11/2015 12:08:36 AM EDT
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Time only exists to the human race. Well, we can discuss that once we agree on what exactly 'time' means. For now, I'm going with this: "TIme is God's way of keeping everything from happening all at once". I forget who it I'm paraphrasing but whatever. |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 12:10:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, we can discuss that once we agree on what exactly 'time' means. For now, I'm going with this: "TIme is God's way of keeping everything from happening all at once". I forget who it I'm paraphrasing but whatever. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Time only exists to the human race. Well, we can discuss that once we agree on what exactly 'time' means. For now, I'm going with this: "TIme is God's way of keeping everything from happening all at once". I forget who it I'm paraphrasing but whatever. ...but to God, or any other beings outside of time, everything does happen all at once. |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 12:29:32 AM EDT
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I don't see a paper listed...
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Posted: 2/11/2015 12:35:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Mobius approves 
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Posted: 2/11/2015 1:08:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
One scientist 'invented' the fantasy of F=ma and a few short centuries later that was all you needed to put a man on the moon. Some have been claiming "let there be light ..." for a couple of thousand years but had nothing more than the mastery of candlelight, until some scientists came along and 'invented' the fantasy of electromagnetism. Surely, some invented fantasies are more useful than others. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When the various religions state that we cannot know the face of God or reproduce images of Allah or Whoever, they are stating Man's inability to comprehend the truth about The Universe. We do not have any idea what "It" is so we invent fantasy stories (science included) One scientist 'invented' the fantasy of F=ma and a few short centuries later that was all you needed to put a man on the moon. Some have been claiming "let there be light ..." for a couple of thousand years but had nothing more than the mastery of candlelight, until some scientists came along and 'invented' the fantasy of electromagnetism. Surely, some invented fantasies are more useful than others. Just a nitpick over the statement, "fantasy of electromagnetism". Its really a philosophical argument, similar to the debate over mathematics being invented vs us discovering mathematics. Seeing as how humans do not have completet knowledge, we make mistakes and are, to borrow a religious term, "fallible"; my bias is towards the mathematics & science describes natural occurrences line of thought. |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 12:45:45 PM EDT
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Just a nitpick over the statement, "fantasy of electromagnetism". Its really a philosophical argument, similar to the debate over mathematics being invented vs us discovering mathematics. Seeing as how humans do not have completet knowledge, we make mistakes and are, to borrow a religious term, "fallible"; my bias is towards the mathematics & science describes natural occurrences line of thought. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When the various religions state that we cannot know the face of God or reproduce images of Allah or Whoever, they are stating Man's inability to comprehend the truth about The Universe. We do not have any idea what "It" is so we invent fantasy stories (science included) One scientist 'invented' the fantasy of F=ma and a few short centuries later that was all you needed to put a man on the moon. Some have been claiming "let there be light ..." for a couple of thousand years but had nothing more than the mastery of candlelight, until some scientists came along and 'invented' the fantasy of electromagnetism. Surely, some invented fantasies are more useful than others. Just a nitpick over the statement, "fantasy of electromagnetism". Its really a philosophical argument, similar to the debate over mathematics being invented vs us discovering mathematics. Seeing as how humans do not have completet knowledge, we make mistakes and are, to borrow a religious term, "fallible"; my bias is towards the mathematics & science describes natural occurrences line of thought. Correct. Man did not "invent" mass or electromagnetism. These are things we try to understand and in some cases (as Newton's 2nd Law) attempt to utilize them for our benefit. p.s. There are a lot of known constants and truths in our realm of understanding. I only question when someone postulates a theory and people accept it as fact. |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 12:48:21 PM EDT
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Correct. Man did not "invent" mass or electromagnetism. These are things we try to understand and in some cases (as Newton's 2nd Law) attempt to utilize them for our benefit. p.s. There are a lot of known constants and truths in our realm of understanding. I only question when someone postulates a theory and people accept it as fact. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When the various religions state that we cannot know the face of God or reproduce images of Allah or Whoever, they are stating Man's inability to comprehend the truth about The Universe. We do not have any idea what "It" is so we invent fantasy stories (science included) One scientist 'invented' the fantasy of F=ma and a few short centuries later that was all you needed to put a man on the moon. Some have been claiming "let there be light ..." for a couple of thousand years but had nothing more than the mastery of candlelight, until some scientists came along and 'invented' the fantasy of electromagnetism. Surely, some invented fantasies are more useful than others. Just a nitpick over the statement, "fantasy of electromagnetism". Its really a philosophical argument, similar to the debate over mathematics being invented vs us discovering mathematics. Seeing as how humans do not have completet knowledge, we make mistakes and are, to borrow a religious term, "fallible"; my bias is towards the mathematics & science describes natural occurrences line of thought. Correct. Man did not "invent" mass or electromagnetism. These are things we try to understand and in some cases (as Newton's 2nd Law) attempt to utilize them for our benefit. p.s. There are a lot of known constants and truths in our realm of understanding. I only question when someone postulates a theory and people accept it as fact. Electromagnetism is a theory. |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 12:57:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/11/2015 1:10:57 PM EDT
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Here's a thread from yesterday on the matter...
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1716525_No_Big_Bang__Quantum_equation_predicts_universe_has_no_beginning.html&page=6 And, that dailymail article, or at least the way the OP quoted it, seems to be a complete misrepresentation of the paper and its conclusions. |
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