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Quoted: wtf... https://scontent-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/1554536_603748706368887_7970100671925857274_n.jpg View Quote lol Seeing that during the race and I had to crack a smile, even though I'm a FA fan. Instead of "bitch stole my fish" caption, needs a "bitch torpedoed my race team" |
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"Hinwil, we have a problem." http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--Bkd77deM--/c_fit,fl_progressive,w_636/na00f0gu7ebwcmo0y5id.jpg We will need to have a look again at what happened as Esteban seemed to be off his line coming into turn one – maybe he missed his braking point, I don’t know – and by then I was in the corner with nowhere to go.
For sure it’s difficult to understand and I was coming out from the pits and with cold tyres. I think he was very unlucky and it’s good he jumped straight out of the car. https://i.imgflip.com/265k.jpg Yeah, I'm not buying that. Maldonado fucked that one up |
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That one needs to be seen again. I missed that while I was watching it. I did hear the bit about Montezemolo turning away in disgust but damn. If looks could kill! The gif is the best. http://i.imgur.com/5eu0Qr4.gif Ouch. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That one needs to be seen again. I missed that while I was watching it. I did hear the bit about Montezemolo turning away in disgust but damn. If looks could kill! The gif is the best. http://i.imgur.com/5eu0Qr4.gif Ouch. |
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That one needs to be seen again. I missed that while I was watching it. I did hear the bit about Montezemolo turning away in disgust but damn. If looks could kill! The gif is the best. http://i.imgur.com/5eu0Qr4.gif Ouch. We can only hope. |
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Marko made a snide comment about finally having a driver that can get a decent start to race alongside Vettel. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What was the comment about Mark Webber? Only caught a second or two of the comment. Marko made a snide comment about finally having a driver that can get a decent start to race alongside Vettel. As an RBR fan... that was a pretty lame, low-class thing to say. Why not let Riccardo let his racing do the talking. No need to talk smack against your own former driver, who seems to be a class act. |
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As an RBR fan... that was a pretty lame, low-class thing to say. Why not let Riccardo let his racing do the talking. No need to talk smack against your own former driver, who seems to be a class act. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What was the comment about Mark Webber? Only caught a second or two of the comment. Marko made a snide comment about finally having a driver that can get a decent start to race alongside Vettel. As an RBR fan... that was a pretty lame, low-class thing to say. Why not let Riccardo let his racing do the talking. No need to talk smack against your own former driver, who seems to be a class act. Can't agree more with you |
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As for you telling his was one of the best race you've ever seen... Well, this says a lot... It only got interesting/fun because of the safety car in the end.. Which mixed car with fresh tires behind car with old tires.. For 10 laps.. And because Rosberg (and Ham) weren't too cautious about each others. You're that close from ending on my ignore list.. Seems like a speciality of yours with many many people on this board too... Your personal attacks are really getting old.... View Quote There were aspects of the race that were very exciting and I thoroughly enjoyed it... despite the fact that my favorite driver/team weren't in the mix and were never a threat. My bias is currently NOT showing (much)... There were PLENTY of actions by drivers in the race more grievous than any perceived ones by Vettel. In regards to my "personal attacks", you started this little ribbing-merry-go-round many months ago. I can handle spirited debate and enjoy reading and responding to your posts (including the ever-present Tifosi-butt-hurt ones). Edited slightly for "nicer play". |
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What was the comment about Mark Webber? Only caught a second or two of the comment. Marko made a snide comment about finally having a driver that can get a decent start to race alongside Vettel. As an RBR fan... that was a pretty lame, low-class thing to say. Why not let Riccardo let his racing do the talking. No need to talk smack against your own former driver, who seems to be a class act. Can't agree more with you You see... we DO agree on something!!! And as you can see... I don't support every thing that RBR and/or Vettel do on/off track. |
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Let me just add this... IF Mercedes continues to dominate throughout the rest of the season the way they have been so far this year... I do hope to see some whining and moaning from many of those who were beside themselves at RBR's dominance last year.
I'm not ready to whine yet though. I actually enjoy seeing teams like Williams and Force India giving RBR and Ferrari a run for their money (and BEATING them like they did last weekend). I do hope that ALL of these teams bring the fight to Mercedes though. |
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I don't think I ever attacked YOU, but anyway..
I think it is important to understand that the only reason teams like Williams, McLaren, and FI are currently dominating RB, Ferrari, and Lotus, is because their Mercedes Power Unit is soooooo superior, that the rest of the car (aero especially, but even settings etc) doesn't really matters much.. We see it matters when we compare their lap times to the same PU with a good aero package (Mercedes) and there the gap is somewhere in between 1.5 and 2sec... Which is HUGE.... Because we all can be pretty sure that Mercedes isn't pushing their package to the edge, like other teams do. The problem is that neither Renault or Ferrari can improve their PU much now, because of the regs.. I do hope though, that they will try some "aggressive" or dangerous evolutions, even if it has a cost in reliability... Because we really need to see something happen, at least at every race level, because in the long term.. the only suspense lies in who from Ham to Rosberg will be world champion, and which Mercedes powered team will be best... |
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I don't think I ever attacked YOU, but anyway.. I think it is important to understand that the only reason teams like Williams, McLaren, and FI are currently dominating RB, Ferrari, and Lotus, is because their Mercedes Power Unit is soooooo superior, that the rest of the car (aero especially, but even settings etc) doesn't really matters much.. We see it matters when we compare their lap times to the same PU with a good aero package (Mercedes) and there the gap is somewhere in between 1.5 and 2sec... Which is HUGE.... Because we all can be pretty sure that Mercedes isn't pushing their package to the edge, like other teams do. The problem is that neither Renault or Ferrari can improve their PU much now, because of the regs.. I do hope though, that they will try some "aggressive" or dangerous evolutions, even if it has a cost in reliability... Because we really need to see something happen, at least at every race level, because in the long term.. the only suspense lies in who from Ham to Rosberg will be world champion, and which Mercedes powered team will be best... View Quote See... more agreement here? Mercedes power plant is definitely dominating. Which I find ironic/funny because the head commie at Renault was pushing for V6s so hard. Good! Hope he eats crow. It was an inevitable evolution, but I like karma (even against the team I root for). Also, I just want to see Red Bull and even Ferrari let it all hang-out. I don't want to see guys die like Senna did... but the entire allure for me when I came to F1 was the whole edge-of-the-blade nearly out-of-control feel to the races. As things get "safer"... they get more boring to watch. The engine tone change from V8 was V6 went from being "holy crap... those things sound like they could blow-up at any second", to "yawn... is there something going-on out there". Same damn thing happened with 2-wheel racing in MX/SX and road racing. Gettin tired of all of this metrosexual "comfy" stuff. Racers used to be gladiators out there! And again... I don't want to see people get seriously injured or die out there... but I do want them to make me feel like that's a serious risk! That's what makes racing and many other sports so alluring for a lot of people. And why many of the same people (me) are bored to tears with sports like soccer/baseball and prefer the violence of the NFL and NHL. I don't pretend that's an "enlightened" way of thinking... but we are all at our cores animalistic and it feels good to exercise those demons once in a while (and primarily why I watch action sports competitions). |
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As an RBR fan... that was a pretty lame, low-class thing to say. Why not let Riccardo let his racing do the talking. No need to talk smack against your own former driver, who seems to be a class act. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What was the comment about Mark Webber? Only caught a second or two of the comment. Marko made a snide comment about finally having a driver that can get a decent start to race alongside Vettel. As an RBR fan... that was a pretty lame, low-class thing to say. Why not let Riccardo let his racing do the talking. No need to talk smack against your own former driver, who seems to be a class act. I'm neutral on RBR, but that was extremely unprofessional of him, and reflects badly on the team. It's OK to be an a-hole, just don't advertise it. |
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I'm neutral on RBR, but that was extremely unprofessional of him, and reflects badly on the team. It's OK to be an a-hole, just don't advertise it. View Quote Totally agree. I heard it during the race and was like, WTF??? I was thinking the same thing about him verbalizing it... he should've kept his mouth shut. Like so many here, I was pretty disgusted at RBR's treatment of Mark last year (and apparently this year). But unlike many... I wasn't blaming Seb for all of that (though I did say his pass on Mark at Sepang was a dick move). I blamed the team. And I didn't/don't necessarily think that RBR was deliberately doing things to facilitate Weber's "back luck". Though one must wonder about that with this latest comment. |
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I'm neutral on RBR, but that was extremely unprofessional of him, and reflects badly on the team. It's OK to be an a-hole, just don't advertise it. View Quote Absolutely. And you damn sure shouldn't talk shit about your guy after he left F1 altogether. RBR needs to get it shit together... not just from a car standpoint, but from an attitude standpoint. Everyone on the team (except for Ricciardo) hasn't seemed to stop bitching this year. Seb bitching about the sound, Horner and Newey bitching about the rules, Marko bitching about last year's driver... Unseemly shit. |
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Absolutely. And you damn sure shouldn't talk shit about your guy after he left F1 altogether. RBR needs to get it shit together... not just from a car standpoint, but from an attitude standpoint. Everyone on the team (except for Ricciardo) hasn't seemed to stop bitching this year. Seb bitching about the sound, Horner and Newey bitching about the rules, Marko bitching about last year's driver... Unseemly shit. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'm neutral on RBR, but that was extremely unprofessional of him, and reflects badly on the team. It's OK to be an a-hole, just don't advertise it. Absolutely. And you damn sure shouldn't talk shit about your guy after he left F1 altogether. RBR needs to get it shit together... not just from a car standpoint, but from an attitude standpoint. Everyone on the team (except for Ricciardo) hasn't seemed to stop bitching this year. Seb bitching about the sound, Horner and Newey bitching about the rules, Marko bitching about last year's driver... Unseemly shit. Let's be real here... everybody NOT on a Mercedes power-plant is doing plenty of bitching. Why friggin single-out RBR? That's the stuff that grinds my gears in these threads. Ferrari and other team owners aren't bitching? And I've seen several interviews with Seb where he's taken the high-road. It's usually after the racing is done and he's no longer in the heat of the fire. That's pretty typical of ALL competitors in ANY sport. Damn hard not to let your frustrations out while doing battle. I've got NO problem with the teams and drivers bitching about new rules and such. Every team that wasn't Red Bull affiliated was doing it last year. I just don't like low-class garbage like back-stabbing Weber a year after the fact. That's just lame and COMPLETELY uncalled for and completely pointless. |
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Let's be real here though... everybody NOT on a Mercedes power-plant is doing plenty of bitching. Why friggin single-out RBR? That's the stuff that grinds my gears in these threads. Ferrari and other team owners aren't bitching? And I've seen several interviews with Seb where he's taken the high-road. It's usually after the racing is done and he's no longer in the heat of the fire. That's pretty typical of ALL competitors in ANY sport. Damn hard not to let your frustrations out while doing battle. I've got NO problem with the teams and drivers bitching about new rules and such. Every team that wasn't Red Bull affiliated was doing it last year. I just don't like low-class garbage like back-stabbing Weber a year after the fact. That's just lame and COMPLETELY uncalled for and completely pointless. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'm neutral on RBR, but that was extremely unprofessional of him, and reflects badly on the team. It's OK to be an a-hole, just don't advertise it. Absolutely. And you damn sure shouldn't talk shit about your guy after he left F1 altogether. RBR needs to get it shit together... not just from a car standpoint, but from an attitude standpoint. Everyone on the team (except for Ricciardo) hasn't seemed to stop bitching this year. Seb bitching about the sound, Horner and Newey bitching about the rules, Marko bitching about last year's driver... Unseemly shit. Let's be real here though... everybody NOT on a Mercedes power-plant is doing plenty of bitching. Why friggin single-out RBR? That's the stuff that grinds my gears in these threads. Ferrari and other team owners aren't bitching? And I've seen several interviews with Seb where he's taken the high-road. It's usually after the racing is done and he's no longer in the heat of the fire. That's pretty typical of ALL competitors in ANY sport. Damn hard not to let your frustrations out while doing battle. I've got NO problem with the teams and drivers bitching about new rules and such. Every team that wasn't Red Bull affiliated was doing it last year. I just don't like low-class garbage like back-stabbing Weber a year after the fact. That's just lame and COMPLETELY uncalled for and completely pointless. Please leave Ferrari out of the RB dirty laundry, will ya They have their own mess to deal with |
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i have just decided to stop cheering for ferrari this year as the last 5 years have been huge let downs, and focus my cheering to merc and FI.
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Let's be real here... everybody NOT on a Mercedes power-plant is doing plenty of bitching. Why friggin single-out RBR? View Quote That's just part of the price of a lot of success, man. You win a bunch of championships, the press is going to print more about what you say, and if it sucks, you're gonna get called out more on it than the other teams. And as for talking shit about Ferrari.... damn, why bother? Nothing anyone says is going to make things worse for them. They're in full-on implosion mode.... shit-tons of money, two of the best drivers on the grid, and they can't build a car that can even get them close to competing. I can't imagine how much that must suck. |
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That's just part of the price of a lot of success, man. You win a bunch of championships, the press is going to print more about what you say, and if it sucks, you're gonna get called out more on it than the other teams. And as for talking shit about Ferrari.... damn, why bother? Nothing anyone says is going to make things worse for them. They're in full-on implosion mode.... shit-tons of money, two of the best drivers on the grid, and they can't build a car that can even get them close to competing. I can't imagine how much that must suck. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Let's be real here... everybody NOT on a Mercedes power-plant is doing plenty of bitching. Why friggin single-out RBR? That's just part of the price of a lot of success, man. You win a bunch of championships, the press is going to print more about what you say, and if it sucks, you're gonna get called out more on it than the other teams. And as for talking shit about Ferrari.... damn, why bother? Nothing anyone says is going to make things worse for them. They're in full-on implosion mode.... shit-tons of money, two of the best drivers on the grid, and they can't build a car that can even get them close to competing. I can't imagine how much that must suck. That's the part that I kind of enjoy. I don't "hate" Ferrari the car company. In fact, I have a 2014 calendar of their road cars hanging above my desk as I type this. I've just never cared for the snobbery of the long-time monied elite... in all walks and pursuits of life. I've got nothing personal against Alonzo or Kimi either. In fact, I used to root for Alonzo and I still root for Kimi. But there's something about the hierarchy of the Ferrari F1 racing team and company and bugs the hell out of me. I think it's that expectation that they're always the best and will always outclass the competition no matter what -- that haughty, arrogant attitude. My dream car is a Ferrari (458 Spider in terms of current production). I'd probably choose Ferrari ownership over Lotus, McClaren, Lamborgini, etc. I've been fascinated with the red pony cars for many years. But I think it's good for EVERY entity (even RBR) to be humbled and broken-down once in a while. Of course, there's NO doubt in my mind that a few more humbling years at Ferrari racing won't even begin to touch that arrogance. It's institutional and has been for generations now. |
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Lets not forget, in '07 about this time everyone was talking about how no one could catch the McLarens and the only conversation was if Alonso would win his 3rd WDC or Hamilton would win his first. Regulation changes may have killed comebacks like '07 but we do have the races for a reason.
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i have just decided to stop cheering for ferrari this year as the last 5 years have been huge let downs, and focus my cheering to merc and FI. Alonso & Kimi are my normal favs, I'm spreading my cheering around this year with Massa, Magnussen & the Hulk. Mostly Magnussen because I've been a long time fan of his dad. |
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Let me just add this... IF Mercedes continues to dominate throughout the rest of the season the way they have been so far this year... I do hope to see some whining and moaning from many of those who were beside themselves at RBR's dominance last year. I'm not ready to whine yet though. I actually enjoy seeing teams like Williams and Force India giving RBR and Ferrari a run for their money (and BEATING them like they did last weekend). I do hope that ALL of these teams bring the fight to Mercedes though. View Quote Oh I will be upset. It's boring watching "the same 20 cars racing for 3rd place" |
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Also, I just want to see Red Bull and even Ferrari let it all hang-out. I don't want to see guys die like Senna did... but the entire allure for me when I came to F1 was the whole edge-of-the-blade nearly out-of-control feel to the races. As things get "safer"... they get more boring to watch View Quote That's the exact reason why people went to see Rush. They won't make a movie about Alonso and Vettel in 2012. |
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Totally agree. I heard it during the race and was like, WTF??? I was thinking the same thing about him verbalizing it... he should've kept his mouth shut. Like so many here, I was pretty disgusted at RBR's treatment of Mark last year (and apparently this year). But unlike many... I wasn't blaming Seb for all of that (though I did say his pass on Mark at Sepang was a dick move). I blamed the team. And I didn't/don't necessarily think that RBR was deliberately doing things to facilitate Weber's "back luck". Though one must wonder about that with this latest comment. View Quote And I see Sepang as a symptom of the problem. Managenent and Vettel fostered that environment. Even when Weber had a chance, the pit wall or Vettel would fuck him over. I have no respect for RBR after that comment. Makes me even feel less bad about laughing at Vettel's "DO SOMETHING" |
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Perhaps a new slate wouldn't be so bad, the FIA has a way to politicize everything it touches.
In the end, it probably all comes down to the old 'Ecclestone versus the FIA' battle for control of formula one. Ecclestone insists the rumours he wants full control of F1 in his own hands are "nonsense". Perhaps the real plan is 'GP1'.
Told that support series GP2 is not only a vastly cheaper category, but also now with cars almost as fast as the 'green' F1, and certainly louder, Ecclestone fully agreed. "Maybe we should turn GP2 into formula one," said Ecclestone, who already controls the GP1 trademarks. "It would certainly cost a lot less. We'd certainly have a lot more teams. So maybe what we're talking about is a 'super GP2'," he added. (GMM) View Quote http://www.f1today.net/en/news/maybe-we-should-turn-gp2-into-formula-1--ecclestone |
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I'd really like to see it go back to the good old days. Refueling, slicks, engine displacement up to 3.5L NA V-12, or a 1.7L turbo/supercharging engine. Drop the hybrid system, drop the dick nose, keep the front wing the same width that it is now, but allow the rear wing to widen to 2013 specs. Keep the central exhaust, with no aero advantage from the exhaust. Make off season testing open, but keep teams limited to their declared "home" track, and allow teams to do mid season testing on a car, but limit it to 2 test days, and subject to FIA approval to test out a significant change in the car.
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I'd really like to see it go back to the good old days. Refueling, slicks, engine displacement up to 3.5L NA V-12, or a 1.7L turbo/supercharging engine. Drop the hybrid system, drop the dick nose, keep the front wing the same width that it is now, but allow the rear wing to widen to 2013 specs. Keep the central exhaust, with no aero advantage from the exhaust. Make off season testing open, but keep teams limited to their declared "home" track, and allow teams to do mid season testing on a car, but limit it to 2 test days, and subject to FIA approval to test out a significant change in the car. May record times fall. View Quote I agree with most all of that. The only thing I think the regs should really stay strict on is aero, not only reducing down force on the car but also ensuring clean air behind the car so passing isn't impossible. Really really want to see refueling back, pit stops now are completely artificial and controlled by purposely inferior tires. I don't like artificial racing. With 2005 tire regs the cars could run the whole race and never pit. |
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I'd really like to see it go back to the good old days. Refueling, slicks, engine displacement up to 3.5L NA V-12, or a 1.7L turbo/supercharging engine. Drop the hybrid system, drop the dick nose, keep the front wing the same width that it is now, but allow the rear wing to widen to 2013 specs. Keep the central exhaust, with no aero advantage from the exhaust. Make off season testing open, but keep teams limited to their declared "home" track, and allow teams to do mid season testing on a car, but limit it to 2 test days, and subject to FIA approval to test out a significant change in the car. May record times fall. View Quote I'd like NASCAR stops. Limit number of guys out in pit lane. It would also help the whole "safety" thing FIA beats off about. |
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I really like ricciardo but cant stand rbr at all. Im torn.
I like how even though ricciardo got fucked hard for no fault of his own, he is still positive. He doesn't bitch and is just like "lol shit happens". He's just happy to be there.
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I was happy to see the Williams and Force India cars performance, as well as the tight racing from third place on back.
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Damn... I'm pretty sure someone on the Scuderia pissed off a Gypsy or something....
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Damn... I'm pretty sure someone on the Scuderia pissed off a Gypsy or something.... The hits just keep coming.... "It's a shitbox! It's amazing - all these facilities, and you make a piece of crap like this. "---Nikki Lauda I don't always like what Nikki has to say... but dayum, it's hard not to love the guy for saying what he thinks and just laying it out there. That's the thing I noticed in "Rush"... I kinda wanted to hate the guy, but just couldn't. That kind of honesty and non-PC talk is near and dear to my heart. |
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I can only imagine what he is syaing now as his Silver Arrows are dominating everything else on the track.
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What I wonder is with Ferrari and Renault having such a massive struggle with the new motor regs, is Honda champing at the bit or scared to death?
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