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Posted: 3/20/2014 9:46:38 PM EDT
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in reality, the V10s were the absolutely most remarkable engines built in F1. nearly 1000hp from an N/A 3.0L. simply amazing. that engine with todays aero would be insanity and far too dangerous. F1 is not an innovative series. it just isnt. innovation requires more than a regulating body saying "youre going to do this and like it." the biggest reason is simply that the rule book is a messy conglomeration of statutes over 50 years of political wrangling. it basically needs to be thrown out and a SIMPLE set of rules put in its place. 1) driver drives the car, not the computer. (things like semi-active suspension or 'computer controlled reactive suspension' would be allowed in my F1) 2) a fuel limit per race of 125 kg will be put into place. your team will be rewarded in some way not in points for each liter saved. or.. refueling returns with a mandated fuel tank size. the team with teh least amount of refueling stops will get 2 points towards the manufacturer's championship. if you go slower than the previous years race pace, no 2 points for you. no diesel, no ethanol. you get high octane 'pump' gas no more than 116 octane 3) heres a box that the car has to be with in and here are the safety rules. have fun. DRS will be staying. however.. it is up to you to figure out what works best for your car. semi-active aero is allowed as well. no steer by wire. 4) ERS will be full season dev as will the engines provided cylinder deactivation is included. and 5) you get a 33% spending cap per year. 33% refers to the amount of net revenue the F1 series makes the previous season. so make it exciting.  I like some of your rule ideas, except DRS. I agree with Lauda, the FIA shouldn't decide when a driver makes a pass. |
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Posted: 3/20/2014 9:47:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/20/2014 10:04:55 PM EDT
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Just for giggles. Nick Heidfeld in the MP4-13 at the 1999 Goodwood Festival of Speed, a record setting 41.6 second run (Formula One cars are no longer allowed to do official timed runs).  http://youtu.be/5l_RsIr1nbEI miss a proper powerplant so much. 
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Posted: 3/21/2014 8:29:03 AM EDT
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Happy Birthday Senna, RIP. |
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Posted: 3/21/2014 9:34:15 AM EDT
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https://scontent-a-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/1969330_595995153810909_2007657099_n.jpg Happy Birthday Senna, RIP. I was there for all of that. It did happen, and more... |
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Posted: 3/21/2014 12:47:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/21/2014 12:50:20 PM EDT
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https://scontent-a-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/1969330_595995153810909_2007657099_n.jpg Happy Birthday Senna, RIP. I was there for all of that. It did happen, and more... Elaborate man---tell us more. |
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Posted: 3/21/2014 3:30:26 PM EDT
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Full film "Senna."
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Posted: 3/21/2014 10:15:22 PM EDT
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https://scontent-a-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/1969330_595995153810909_2007657099_n.jpg Happy Birthday Senna, RIP. I was there for all of that. It did happen, and more... Elaborate man---tell us more. One of them threw the other ones briefcase out of the helicopter on the way to the track. Ayrton filled Gerhards hotel room with frogs. Aryton was at the shop before traveling to Paris for the FIA awards, Ron stole his briefcase and had the fabricators weld a cage around it and gave it back to him. He threatened everyone that they would be fired if they helped him get it out. Ron sometimes took the mechanics out to dinner on Thursday night at the track, he made sure the drinks flowed. On one particular occasion he paid one of the waitresses to cut John Hogans, (VP of Marketing for Marlboro), pony tail off. ... |
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Posted: 3/21/2014 10:32:24 PM EDT
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One of them threw the other ones briefcase out of the helicopter on the way to the track. Ayrton filled Gerhards hotel room with frogs. Aryton was at the shop before traveling to Paris for the FIA awards, Ron stole his briefcase and had the fabricators weld a cage around it and gave it back to him. He threatened everyone that they would be fired if they helped him get it out. Ron sometimes took the mechanics out to dinner on Thursday night at the track, he made sure the drinks flowed. On one particular occasion he paid one of the waitresses to cut John Hogans, (VP of Marketing for Marlboro), pony tail off. ... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://scontent-a-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/1969330_595995153810909_2007657099_n.jpg Happy Birthday Senna, RIP. I was there for all of that. It did happen, and more... Elaborate man---tell us more. One of them threw the other ones briefcase out of the helicopter on the way to the track. Ayrton filled Gerhards hotel room with frogs. Aryton was at the shop before traveling to Paris for the FIA awards, Ron stole his briefcase and had the fabricators weld a cage around it and gave it back to him. He threatened everyone that they would be fired if they helped him get it out. Ron sometimes took the mechanics out to dinner on Thursday night at the track, he made sure the drinks flowed. On one particular occasion he paid one of the waitresses to cut John Hogans, (VP of Marketing for Marlboro), pony tail off. ... Please tell me there is a fund I can donate to, to support you writing a book. You have knowledge and memories of arguably everyones most respected and or favorite f1 pilot. Your book would be riveting to many |
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Posted: 3/21/2014 11:39:55 PM EDT
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I'm a little late to the party, always been a minor fan of F1 but really following this year. Look forward to matching predictions with y'all in the fantasy league!
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Posted: 3/21/2014 11:45:24 PM EDT
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One of them threw the other ones briefcase out of the helicopter on the way to the track. Ayrton filled Gerhards hotel room with frogs. Aryton was at the shop before traveling to Paris for the FIA awards, Ron stole his briefcase and had the fabricators weld a cage around it and gave it back to him. He threatened everyone that they would be fired if they helped him get it out. Ron sometimes took the mechanics out to dinner on Thursday night at the track, he made sure the drinks flowed. On one particular occasion he paid one of the waitresses to cut John Hogans, (VP of Marketing for Marlboro), pony tail off. ... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://scontent-a-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/1969330_595995153810909_2007657099_n.jpg Happy Birthday Senna, RIP. I was there for all of that. It did happen, and more... Elaborate man---tell us more. One of them threw the other ones briefcase out of the helicopter on the way to the track. Ayrton filled Gerhards hotel room with frogs. Aryton was at the shop before traveling to Paris for the FIA awards, Ron stole his briefcase and had the fabricators weld a cage around it and gave it back to him. He threatened everyone that they would be fired if they helped him get it out. Ron sometimes took the mechanics out to dinner on Thursday night at the track, he made sure the drinks flowed. On one particular occasion he paid one of the waitresses to cut John Hogans, (VP of Marketing for Marlboro), pony tail off. ... 
Thank you for sharing your stories. It's cool to have such insight back then. |
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Posted: 3/22/2014 12:29:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you for sharing your stories. It's cool to have such insight back then. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: https://scontent-a-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/1969330_595995153810909_2007657099_n.jpg Happy Birthday Senna, RIP. I was there for all of that. It did happen, and more... Elaborate man---tell us more. One of them threw the other ones briefcase out of the helicopter on the way to the track. Ayrton filled Gerhards hotel room with frogs. Aryton was at the shop before traveling to Paris for the FIA awards, Ron stole his briefcase and had the fabricators weld a cage around it and gave it back to him. He threatened everyone that they would be fired if they helped him get it out. Ron sometimes took the mechanics out to dinner on Thursday night at the track, he made sure the drinks flowed. On one particular occasion he paid one of the waitresses to cut John Hogans, (VP of Marketing for Marlboro), pony tail off. ... Thank you for sharing your stories. It's cool to have such insight back then. |
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Posted: 3/22/2014 12:46:05 PM EDT
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My compromise would have been to run both engine formulas for a season or two with the NA V8s adopting the current high-mount exhaust position. Use fuel capacity to introduce a strategy aspect to the game.
Something along the lines of what they did with the old Cosworth DFV V8s back in the original turbo era. |
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Posted: 3/22/2014 4:27:33 PM EDT
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Just for giggles. Nick Heidfeld in the MP4-13 at the 1999 Goodwood Festival of Speed, a record setting 41.6 second run (Formula One cars are no longer allowed to do official timed runs). http://youtu.be/5l_RsIr1nbENext race, I'm going to turn the sound off and set this video to loop in the background. 
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Posted: 3/22/2014 5:44:07 PM EDT
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What a boring weekend. Ugh.
I'll get a small fix from NASCAR tomorrow, but I really need some F1. |
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Posted: 3/23/2014 4:19:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/23/2014 4:58:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/23/2014 6:19:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryYep, fart cans are on the way! |
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Posted: 3/24/2014 12:55:03 AM EDT
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Not about Formula One... but it was awesome to see Valentino Rossi and Mark Marquez mixing it up in MotoGP in Quatar today. I was really hoping that Rossi could make one of his passes stick and win. So close. Was great to see the "old man" taking it to the young gun at any rate...
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Posted: 3/24/2014 1:21:45 AM EDT
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Not about Formula One... but it was awesome to see Valentino Rossi and Mark Marquez mixing it up in MotoGP in Quatar today. I was really hoping that Rossi could make one of his passes stick and win. So close. Was great to see the "old man" taking it to the young gun at any rate... Anything is better than page after page of whining about the engine's power unit's lack of noise. (I missed the race, but I'm glad to hear about Rossi being able to mix it up with the younger riders. I haven't watched much MotoGP in recent years, but thoroughly enjoyed it 10 years ago.) In F1 news, "flowgate" is still simmering behind the scenes and Red Bull's appeal will be heard on April 14th. While rival teams have come out in favor of the FIA (naturally  ), there is a consensus that a problem with the flow meters exists. (Porsche also agrees....http://www.racecar-engineering.com/news/porsche-critical-of-f1-fuel-flow-meter/)
In the end, this will all get shutdown and muzzled for political and expedient reasons. For the coming conversation on the topic, here are a few articles and resources. A flash animation on how the sensors work (Provided by Gill Sensors) http://gillsensors.com/content/flash/Gasflow_new.swf http://www.racecar-engineering.com/technology-explained/how-formula-1-fuel-flow-meters-work/
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Posted: 3/24/2014 8:45:25 AM EDT
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Not about Formula One... but it was awesome to see Valentino Rossi and Mark Marquez mixing it up in MotoGP in Quatar today. I was really hoping that Rossi could make one of his passes stick and win. So close. Was great to see the "old man" taking it to the young gun at any rate... I remember a teenage Rossi on the buck-twenty-fives wowing everybody! Tempus Fugit... The Ol' Crew Chief |
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Posted: 3/24/2014 10:42:50 AM EDT
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Glad the lower noses are so much safer.
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Posted: 3/24/2014 6:53:01 PM EDT
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Anything is better than page after page of whining about the engine's power unit's lack of noise. Amen! 
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Posted: 3/24/2014 7:02:46 PM EDT
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Mateschitz has said before that Red Bull is prepared to leave formula one if the sport no longer gives the company the sort of economic value it is seeking. Now, he clarified: "The question is not so much about whether it makes economic sense, but more to do with the sporting value, political influence and the like. We have had it all but on these things from our perspective there is a clear limit to what we can accept," Mateschitz added.
He also expressed frustration about F1's all-new era of smaller, greener, quieter and more efficient 'power units'. "Formula one should be again what it always has been: the ultimate discipline," said the 69-year-old Austrian. "It is not there to set new records in fuel consumption, or so you can talk at a whisper during a race and the greatest thrill is the squealing of the tyres. I consider it equally absurd that we are going a second slower than last year and that the junior series GP2 is almost as fast as formula one with a fraction of the budget," he added. Full article |
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Posted: 3/24/2014 7:06:18 PM EDT
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Mateschitz has said before that Red Bull is prepared to leave formula one if the sport no longer gives the company the sort of economic value it is seeking. Now, he clarified: "The question is not so much about whether it makes economic sense, but more to do with the sporting value, political influence and the like. We have had it all but on these things from our perspective there is a clear limit to what we can accept," Mateschitz added.
He also expressed frustration about F1's all-new era of smaller, greener, quieter and more efficient 'power units'. "Formula one should be again what it always has been: the ultimate discipline," said the 69-year-old Austrian. "It is not there to set new records in fuel consumption, or so you can talk at a whisper during a race and the greatest thrill is the squealing of the tyres. I consider it equally absurd that we are going a second slower than last year and that the junior series GP2 is almost as fast as formula one with a fraction of the budget," he added. Full article Sounds like sabre rattling before their hearing over the fuel-flow sensor. |
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Posted: 3/24/2014 7:07:47 PM EDT
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Anything is better than page after page of whining about the engine's power unit's lack of noise. Amen! https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t1.0-9/10012990_679454752112813_1908677224_n.jpg I had a really good pic (can't seem to find it now) that showed just how gnarly that moment actually was for Magnussen. We saw more opposite lock in Melbourne than the last 5 seasons combined. |
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Posted: 3/24/2014 7:23:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had a really good pic (can't seem to find it now) that showed just how gnarly that moment actually was for Magnussen. We saw more opposite lock in Melbourne than the last 5 seasons combined. Quote HistoryQuoted: I had a really good pic (can't seem to find it now) that showed just how gnarly that moment actually was for Magnussen. We saw more opposite lock in Melbourne than the last 5 seasons combined. Laid down the rubber from the greenlight  |
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Posted: 3/24/2014 7:28:51 PM EDT
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The Magnussen's are bad asses. I've been a fan of Jan for a while. I talked to him for a second at the Rolex 24 and told him I'll be rooting for Kevin. He said thanks and seemed really proud. I've always been a corvette fan but It helped that my gf was Danish too
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Posted: 3/24/2014 7:38:25 PM EDT
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Pretty much sums up the core issue with the flow meter policing in F1 and the concerns of Mateschitz.
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Posted: 3/24/2014 7:55:24 PM EDT
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Where was mateszitsch when other stupid rules (like very limited private testings and doing it all on computer and wind tunnels) favored his team and genius aero engeneer ?
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Posted: 3/24/2014 8:05:27 PM EDT
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Where was mateszitsch when other stupid rules (like very limited private testings and doing it all on computer and wind tunnels) favored his team and genius aero engeneer ? Apples to oranges, but if you want to go down that road... 2008: Ferrari Threatens to Leave F1 2010: Ferrari Threatens to Leave F1 |
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Posted: 3/24/2014 8:30:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Apples to oranges, but if you want to go down that road... 2008: Ferrari Threatens to Leave F1 2010: Ferrari Threatens to Leave F1 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Where was mateszitsch when other stupid rules (like very limited private testings and doing it all on computer and wind tunnels) favored his team and genius aero engeneer ? Apples to oranges, but if you want to go down that road... 2008: Ferrari Threatens to Leave F1 2010: Ferrari Threatens to Leave F1 +1 was going to post this. Though I bet the veiled threats from Ferrari are taken much more seriously. F1 sans Ferrari is a very scary prospect to all of the venues and promoters. It will be interesting to see what becomes of Red Bull when Horner takes over Bernie's job and Newey moves onto sailboat racing. |
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Posted: 3/24/2014 9:12:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I like some of your rule ideas, except DRS. I agree with Lauda, the FIA shouldn't decide when a driver makes a pass. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: in reality, the V10s were the absolutely most remarkable engines built in F1. nearly 1000hp from an N/A 3.0L. simply amazing. that engine with todays aero would be insanity and far too dangerous. F1 is not an innovative series. it just isnt. innovation requires more than a regulating body saying "youre going to do this and like it." the biggest reason is simply that the rule book is a messy conglomeration of statutes over 50 years of political wrangling. it basically needs to be thrown out and a SIMPLE set of rules put in its place. 1) driver drives the car, not the computer. (things like semi-active suspension or 'computer controlled reactive suspension' would be allowed in my F1) 2) a fuel limit per race of 125 kg will be put into place. your team will be rewarded in some way not in points for each liter saved. or.. refueling returns with a mandated fuel tank size. the team with teh least amount of refueling stops will get 2 points towards the manufacturer's championship. if you go slower than the previous years race pace, no 2 points for you. no diesel, no ethanol. you get high octane 'pump' gas no more than 116 octane 3) heres a box that the car has to be with in and here are the safety rules. have fun. DRS will be staying. however.. it is up to you to figure out what works best for your car. semi-active aero is allowed as well. no steer by wire. 4) ERS will be full season dev as will the engines provided cylinder deactivation is included. and 5) you get a 33% spending cap per year. 33% refers to the amount of net revenue the F1 series makes the previous season. so make it exciting. I like some of your rule ideas, except DRS. I agree with Lauda, the FIA shouldn't decide when a driver makes a pass.  |
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Posted: 3/24/2014 9:27:31 PM EDT
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Sounds like sabre rattling before their hearing over the fuel-flow sensor. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mateschitz has said before that Red Bull is prepared to leave formula one if the sport no longer gives the company the sort of economic value it is seeking. Now, he clarified: "The question is not so much about whether it makes economic sense, but more to do with the sporting value, political influence and the like. We have had it all but on these things from our perspective there is a clear limit to what we can accept," Mateschitz added.
He also expressed frustration about F1's all-new era of smaller, greener, quieter and more efficient 'power units'. "Formula one should be again what it always has been: the ultimate discipline," said the 69-year-old Austrian. "It is not there to set new records in fuel consumption, or so you can talk at a whisper during a race and the greatest thrill is the squealing of the tyres. I consider it equally absurd that we are going a second slower than last year and that the junior series GP2 is almost as fast as formula one with a fraction of the budget," he added. Full article Sounds like sabre rattling before their hearing over the fuel-flow sensor. It could also be disappointment over the changes. I don't blame them for stating the obvious: our products don't require a race. |
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Posted: 3/24/2014 10:09:45 PM EDT
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http://www.racer.com/index.php/f1/item/102121-american-f1-team-could-get-fia-green-light-this-week
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Posted: 3/24/2014 10:18:15 PM EDT
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http://www.racer.com/index.php/f1/item/102121-american-f1-team-could-get-fia-green-light-this-week please please please please. And let Stewart be one of the drivers
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Posted: 3/24/2014 11:16:19 PM EDT
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http://www.racer.com/index.php/f1/item/102121-american-f1-team-could-get-fia-green-light-this-week please please please please. And let Stewart be one of the drivers More than likely Kurt out of his current stable of drivers. Doubt Tony would take the break from NASCAR, Harveck is a no go and Danica would be laughed off the boat. 
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Posted: 3/24/2014 11:51:25 PM EDT
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http://www.racer.com/index.php/f1/item/102121-american-f1-team-could-get-fia-green-light-this-week please please please please. They were supposed to decide a few weeks back, but it got postponed for some reason. I think the dream of starting a new team (based in the U.S.) will probably get shot down due to the situations of some current teams. Lotus is going down the tubes (don't forget they laid off 100 people not to long ago) and Fernandes is making noises like he wants to get rid of Caterham. I would really like to see it happen, but when I hear them talking about using another company to supply aero or a complete chassis..........I'm probably cringing right along with FOM. If it does go down, it should give Rossi (at least) a few years of F1 experience. |
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Posted: 3/25/2014 12:35:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They were supposed to decide a few weeks back, but it got postponed for some reason. I think the dream of starting a new team (based in the U.S.) will probably get shot down due to the situations of some current teams. Lotus is going down the tubes (don't forget they laid off 100 people not to long ago) and Fernandes is making noises like he wants to get rid of Caterham. I would really like to see it happen, but when I hear them talking about using another company to supply aero or complete chassis..........I'm probably cringing right along with FOM. If it does go down, it should give Rossi (at least) a few years of F1 experience. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: http://www.racer.com/index.php/f1/item/102121-american-f1-team-could-get-fia-green-light-this-week please please please please. They were supposed to decide a few weeks back, but it got postponed for some reason. I think the dream of starting a new team (based in the U.S.) will probably get shot down due to the situations of some current teams. Lotus is going down the tubes (don't forget they laid off 100 people not to long ago) and Fernandes is making noises like he wants to get rid of Caterham. I would really like to see it happen, but when I hear them talking about using another company to supply aero or complete chassis..........I'm probably cringing right along with FOM. If it does go down, it should give Rossi (at least) a few years of F1 experience. |
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Posted: 3/25/2014 12:59:35 AM EDT
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apparently, Haas has been bugging FIA for a couple years now to start a team. i think it was postponed so he could get ok'd. he has the logistics network as well. i also think he may be starting off with a 'bought' chassis and such and could be setting himself up to use more inhouse stuff as time goes on. that is.. if he does get in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://www.racer.com/index.php/f1/item/102121-american-f1-team-could-get-fia-green-light-this-week please please please please. They were supposed to decide a few weeks back, but it got postponed for some reason. I think the dream of starting a new team (based in the U.S.) will probably get shot down due to the situations of some current teams. Lotus is going down the tubes (don't forget they laid off 100 people not to long ago) and Fernandes is making noises like he wants to get rid of Caterham. I would really like to see it happen, but when I hear them talking about using another company to supply aero or complete chassis..........I'm probably cringing right along with FOM. If it does go down, it should give Rossi (at least) a few years of F1 experience. If anybody can make it happen, Gene Haas is a great candidate. That said, starting out from scratch outside of Britain's Motorsports Valley (Now almost 3,500 companies associated with motorsport, employing around 40,000 people. Representing around 80% of the world's high-performance engineers) has huge implications that will further hinder an already notoriously slow process. In the end, this really all revolves around the use of Haas' Concord, NC Windshear facilities.
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Posted: 3/25/2014 2:58:29 AM EDT
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Where was mateszitsch when other stupid rules (like very limited private testings and doing it all on computer and wind tunnels) favored his team and genius aero engeneer ? Apples to oranges, but if you want to go down that road... 2008: Ferrari Threatens to Leave F1 2010: Ferrari Threatens to Leave F1 Funny how you evade the question... Apples to oranges my ass... If you don't see why Ferrari, a company dedicated to creating, building and selling sports cars, can't accept the idea to race with a "standardized" engine, then I can't do anything else to explain it to you... Plus those Ferrari "threats" were made on unnacceptable proposed future regulations... Not on accepted regulations that brought them bad results, afterward... The other difference being that Ferrari has made F1 history for 50 years and stayed in even after a 20years period without winning a championship.. Maybe, just maybe, they have a say that RBR doesn't have yet.. Mateszichtz is just seing that winning could be harder this year, and he is already complaining/threathening... What about sucking it up and trying to improve ? Just for 1 year at least ? He just won 4 titles in part because of rules that have been notoriously handicapping Ferrari for the last few seasons... (Which had a crappy wind tunnel and couldnt rely on their traditional track testing sessions anymore..) Doesn't he know ? |
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Posted: 3/25/2014 2:58:42 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/25/2014 5:05:21 AM EDT
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Funny how you evade the question... Apples to oranges my ass... If you don't see why Ferrari, a company dedicated to creating, building and selling sports cars, can't accept the idea to race with a "standardized" engine, then I can't do anything else to explain it to you... Plus those Ferrari "threats" were made on unnacceptable proposed future regulations... Not on accepted regulations that brought them bad results, afterward... The other difference being that Ferrari has made F1 history for 50 years and stayed in even after a 20years period without winning a championship.. Maybe, just maybe, they have a say that RBR doesn't have yet.. Mateszichtz is just seing that winning could be harder this year, and he is already complaining/threathening... What about sucking it up and trying to improve ? Just for 1 year at least ? He just won 4 titles in part because of rules that have been notoriously handicapping Ferrari for the last few seasons... (Which had a crappy wind tunnel and couldnt rely on their traditional track testing sessions anymore..) Doesn't he know ? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Where was mateszitsch when other stupid rules (like very limited private testings and doing it all on computer and wind tunnels) favored his team and genius aero engeneer ? Apples to oranges, but if you want to go down that road... 2008: Ferrari Threatens to Leave F1 2010: Ferrari Threatens to Leave F1 Funny how you evade the question... Apples to oranges my ass... If you don't see why Ferrari, a company dedicated to creating, building and selling sports cars, can't accept the idea to race with a "standardized" engine, then I can't do anything else to explain it to you... Plus those Ferrari "threats" were made on unnacceptable proposed future regulations... Not on accepted regulations that brought them bad results, afterward... The other difference being that Ferrari has made F1 history for 50 years and stayed in even after a 20years period without winning a championship.. Maybe, just maybe, they have a say that RBR doesn't have yet.. Mateszichtz is just seing that winning could be harder this year, and he is already complaining/threathening... What about sucking it up and trying to improve ? Just for 1 year at least ? He just won 4 titles in part because of rules that have been notoriously handicapping Ferrari for the last few seasons... (Which had a crappy wind tunnel and couldnt rely on their traditional track testing sessions anymore..) Doesn't he know ? Apples to Oranges: In the case that you mentioned (limited private testing and the use of CFD and wind tunnels) all of the teams were faced with an issue that exhibited known parameters. These new rules were clearly understood/written and (more importantly) provided a problem that could be definitively surmounted by a combination of engineering and money. There were no uncontrollable variables. The process, design and implementation was left up to the teams (be they CFD, windtunnels, etc.). In the case of the flow meter, teams are faced with an issue that provides an uncontrolled and unknown random variable. In a sport where it's not uncommon to spend millions chasing tenths of a second, the idea of an uncontrolled/random variable (which cannot be subjected to a re-engineering) negating those millions is bad for business. (As a caveat, I will mention that tires are a similar uncontrolled/random variable (some sets are better than others)...but in the case of tires, they differ by (1) a consumable, degrading nature and (2) the ability of the teams to change them multiple times during a race). The limited private testing,etc. example was a new process in order to form a brilliantly engineered (500 million dollar) chain. The flow meter example is a brilliantly engineered (500 million dollar) chain with a FIA mandated (10,000 dollar) link of unknown/variable strength. That is an objective assessment that affects all teams (including LMP1). I respect the hell out of the capabilities of Red Bull, but I don't want to see them dominate again any time soon (I'm rooting for Williams and McLaren this year). That said, what I really don't want to see is (1) any team's possible race success thwarted by a default FIA equation that reduces power and (2) a season tainted by a fan base continually wondering about the quality and nature of the flow meters in winning team's cars. I've seen similar situations (with governing body supplied restrictor plates) spin out of control when a perceived significant variation is noted by teams. |
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Posted: 3/25/2014 9:45:51 AM EDT
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In the end, this really all revolves around the use of Haas' Concord, NC Windshear facilities. I don't see the point in spending a year or more to down convert this to a scale tunnel when it is fine the way it is. Not only do they lose the use of it for that time but the revenue it generates now and after it is finished. Seems to me that if you want a dedicated tunnel then it would make sense to build a new one with the latest features. We use this tunnel all the time because it is full size. |
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Posted: 3/25/2014 4:16:44 PM EDT
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full time straight away DRS?
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in reality, the V10s were the absolutely most remarkable engines built in F1. nearly 1000hp from an N/A 3.0L. simply amazing. that engine with todays aero would be insanity and far too dangerous. F1 is not an innovative series. it just isnt. innovation requires more than a regulating body saying "youre going to do this and like it." the biggest reason is simply that the rule book is a messy conglomeration of statutes over 50 years of political wrangling. it basically needs to be thrown out and a SIMPLE set of rules put in its place. 1) driver drives the car, not the computer. (things like semi-active suspension or 'computer controlled reactive suspension' would be allowed in my F1) 2) a fuel limit per race of 125 kg will be put into place. your team will be rewarded in some way not in points for each liter saved. or.. refueling returns with a mandated fuel tank size. the team with teh least amount of refueling stops will get 2 points towards the manufacturer's championship. if you go slower than the previous years race pace, no 2 points for you. no diesel, no ethanol. you get high octane 'pump' gas no more than 116 octane 3) heres a box that the car has to be with in and here are the safety rules. have fun. DRS will be staying. however.. it is up to you to figure out what works best for your car. semi-active aero is allowed as well. no steer by wire. 4) ERS will be full season dev as will the engines provided cylinder deactivation is included. and 5) you get a 33% spending cap per year. 33% refers to the amount of net revenue the F1 series makes the previous season. so make it exciting. I like some of your rule ideas, except DRS. I agree with Lauda, the FIA shouldn't decide when a driver makes a pass.
Not really. Drivers shouldn't have an easy button to pass like they do now. Instead of trying to set up a pass they just wait for the DRS zone (hence the FIA deciding when they make a pass). A lot of people were complaining that there wasn't enough passing in F1, so the FIA starts this DRS bullshit. Now we have a lot of passing, but it's all bogus. You don't get to see those ballsy pass attempts like Hakkinen using Zonta to pass Schumacher at Spa. You still see some great passes, but most drivers just wait till the DRS zone to make it easy. With the new regulations the FIA has a great opportunity to give the drivers some of the tools for passing they had in the 80's. Namely turning up the fuel a bit to pass someone, but doing that too many times means they have to worry about running out of fuel. They drivers would be able to decide when to pass. |
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Posted: 3/25/2014 4:23:45 PM EDT
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Apples to Oranges: In the case that you mentioned (limited private testing and the use of CFD and wind tunnels) all of the teams were faced with an issue that exhibited known parameters. These new rules were clearly understood/written and (more importantly) provided a problem that could be definitively surmounted by a combination of engineering and money. There were no uncontrollable variables. The process, design and implementation was left up to the teams (be they CFD, windtunnels, etc.). In the case of the flow meter, teams are faced with an issue that provides an uncontrolled and unknown random variable. In a sport where it's not uncommon to spend millions chasing tenths of a second, the idea of an uncontrolled/random variable (which cannot be subjected to a re-engineering) negating those millions is bad for business. (As a caveat, I will mention that tires are a similar uncontrolled/random variable (some sets are better than others)...but in the case of tires, they differ by (1) a consumable, degrading nature and (2) the ability of the teams to change them multiple times during a race). The limited private testing,etc. example was a new process in order to form a brilliantly engineered (500 million dollar) chain. The flow meter example is a brilliantly engineered (500 million dollar) chain with a FIA mandated (10,000 dollar) link of unknown/variable strength. That is an objective assessment that affects all teams (including LMP1). I respect the hell out of the capabilities of Red Bull, but I don't want to see them dominate again any time soon (I'm rooting for Williams and McLaren this year). That said, what I really don't want to see is (1) any team's possible race success thwarted by a default FIA equation that reduces power and (2) a season tainted by a fan base continually wondering about the quality and nature of the flow meters in winning team's cars. I've seen similar situations (with governing body supplied restrictor plates) spin out of control when a perceived significant variation is noted by teams. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Where was mateszitsch when other stupid rules (like very limited private testings and doing it all on computer and wind tunnels) favored his team and genius aero engeneer ? Apples to oranges, but if you want to go down that road... 2008: Ferrari Threatens to Leave F1 2010: Ferrari Threatens to Leave F1 Funny how you evade the question... Apples to oranges my ass... If you don't see why Ferrari, a company dedicated to creating, building and selling sports cars, can't accept the idea to race with a "standardized" engine, then I can't do anything else to explain it to you... Plus those Ferrari "threats" were made on unnacceptable proposed future regulations... Not on accepted regulations that brought them bad results, afterward... The other difference being that Ferrari has made F1 history for 50 years and stayed in even after a 20years period without winning a championship.. Maybe, just maybe, they have a say that RBR doesn't have yet.. Mateszichtz is just seing that winning could be harder this year, and he is already complaining/threathening... What about sucking it up and trying to improve ? Just for 1 year at least ? He just won 4 titles in part because of rules that have been notoriously handicapping Ferrari for the last few seasons... (Which had a crappy wind tunnel and couldnt rely on their traditional track testing sessions anymore..) Doesn't he know ? Apples to Oranges: In the case that you mentioned (limited private testing and the use of CFD and wind tunnels) all of the teams were faced with an issue that exhibited known parameters. These new rules were clearly understood/written and (more importantly) provided a problem that could be definitively surmounted by a combination of engineering and money. There were no uncontrollable variables. The process, design and implementation was left up to the teams (be they CFD, windtunnels, etc.). In the case of the flow meter, teams are faced with an issue that provides an uncontrolled and unknown random variable. In a sport where it's not uncommon to spend millions chasing tenths of a second, the idea of an uncontrolled/random variable (which cannot be subjected to a re-engineering) negating those millions is bad for business. (As a caveat, I will mention that tires are a similar uncontrolled/random variable (some sets are better than others)...but in the case of tires, they differ by (1) a consumable, degrading nature and (2) the ability of the teams to change them multiple times during a race). The limited private testing,etc. example was a new process in order to form a brilliantly engineered (500 million dollar) chain. The flow meter example is a brilliantly engineered (500 million dollar) chain with a FIA mandated (10,000 dollar) link of unknown/variable strength. That is an objective assessment that affects all teams (including LMP1). I respect the hell out of the capabilities of Red Bull, but I don't want to see them dominate again any time soon (I'm rooting for Williams and McLaren this year). That said, what I really don't want to see is (1) any team's possible race success thwarted by a default FIA equation that reduces power and (2) a season tainted by a fan base continually wondering about the quality and nature of the flow meters in winning team's cars. I've seen similar situations (with governing body supplied restrictor plates) spin out of control when a perceived significant variation is noted by teams. Very well said. It really is dumb for the FIA to use a governing system with know faults. I know the FIA said part of the reason for the fuel flow sensor was to stop the teams from running extreme engine maps in qualifying. But wouldn't limiting boost pressure give the same result? And it's much easier to limit boost pressure. The biggest reason has to be the FIA doesn't want to give the teams the ability to negate the DRS farce. |
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Posted: 3/25/2014 4:32:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not really. Drivers shouldn't have an easy button to pass like they do now. Instead of trying to set up a pass they just wait for the DRS zone (hence the FIA deciding when they make a pass). A lot of people were complaining that there wasn't enough passing in F1, so the FIA starts this DRS bullshit. Now we have a lot of passing, but it's all bogus. You don't get to see those ballsy pass attempts like Hakkinen using Zonta to pass Schumacher at Spa. You still see some great passes, but most drivers just wait till the DRS zone to make it easy. With the new regulations the FIA has a great opportunity to give the drivers some of the tools for passing they had in the 80's. Namely turning up the fuel a bit to pass someone, but doing that too many times means they have to worry about running out of fuel. They drivers would be able to decide when to pass. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: in reality, the V10s were the absolutely most remarkable engines built in F1. nearly 1000hp from an N/A 3.0L. simply amazing. that engine with todays aero would be insanity and far too dangerous. F1 is not an innovative series. it just isnt. innovation requires more than a regulating body saying "youre going to do this and like it." the biggest reason is simply that the rule book is a messy conglomeration of statutes over 50 years of political wrangling. it basically needs to be thrown out and a SIMPLE set of rules put in its place. 1) driver drives the car, not the computer. (things like semi-active suspension or 'computer controlled reactive suspension' would be allowed in my F1) 2) a fuel limit per race of 125 kg will be put into place. your team will be rewarded in some way not in points for each liter saved. or.. refueling returns with a mandated fuel tank size. the team with teh least amount of refueling stops will get 2 points towards the manufacturer's championship. if you go slower than the previous years race pace, no 2 points for you. no diesel, no ethanol. you get high octane 'pump' gas no more than 116 octane 3) heres a box that the car has to be with in and here are the safety rules. have fun. DRS will be staying. however.. it is up to you to figure out what works best for your car. semi-active aero is allowed as well. no steer by wire. 4) ERS will be full season dev as will the engines provided cylinder deactivation is included. and 5) you get a 33% spending cap per year. 33% refers to the amount of net revenue the F1 series makes the previous season. so make it exciting. I like some of your rule ideas, except DRS. I agree with Lauda, the FIA shouldn't decide when a driver makes a pass. Not really. Drivers shouldn't have an easy button to pass like they do now. Instead of trying to set up a pass they just wait for the DRS zone (hence the FIA deciding when they make a pass). A lot of people were complaining that there wasn't enough passing in F1, so the FIA starts this DRS bullshit. Now we have a lot of passing, but it's all bogus. You don't get to see those ballsy pass attempts like Hakkinen using Zonta to pass Schumacher at Spa. You still see some great passes, but most drivers just wait till the DRS zone to make it easy. With the new regulations the FIA has a great opportunity to give the drivers some of the tools for passing they had in the 80's. Namely turning up the fuel a bit to pass someone, but doing that too many times means they have to worry about running out of fuel. They drivers would be able to decide when to pass. |
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Posted: 3/25/2014 4:50:09 PM EDT
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in the age of aero being king, DRS is almost needed. I was just coming here to post this. I would rather see DRS than aero-limited racing where fasters cars cannot pass slower cars without dangerous maneuvers. |
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Posted: 3/25/2014 4:58:27 PM EDT
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Could be a interesting weekend...
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