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Posted: 5/19/2016 10:29:48 PM EDT
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A heavy Carhartt is a very dense sumbitch, though not that dense. Of course a shot that passes through the hood hanging down and then into the back or through a loose sleeve before a torso hit might need to pass through three full layers of shell and insulation, and that is a whole lot of fabric. 4 of 9 shots going the long way through without touching skin is pretty unlikely though. It's actually 4 of 8. One hit a bystander and I doubt that bounced off the perp. |
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Posted: 5/19/2016 10:31:28 PM EDT
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This my friends is why god gave man the .40 cal.
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Posted: 5/19/2016 10:31:29 PM EDT
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Bullets were backwards the whole time
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Posted: 5/19/2016 10:32:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Carhartt makes some good shit right here in dearborn MI Buddy got nailed by a deer slug during gun season in Ohio. It went through his forearm (carrying at port arms) and nailed him right in the stomach. Carhartt overalls stopped it and saved his ass.
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Posted: 5/19/2016 10:33:21 PM EDT
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Buddy got nailed by a deer slug during gun season in Ohio. It went through his forearm (carrying at port arms) and nailed him right in the stomach. Carhartt overalls stopped it and saved his ass. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Carhartt makes some good shit right here in dearborn MI Buddy got nailed by a deer slug during gun season in Ohio. It went through his forearm (carrying at port arms) and nailed him right in the stomach. Carhartt overalls stopped it and saved his ass. Holy shit! Carhartt make camouflage? LOL |
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Posted: 5/19/2016 10:35:51 PM EDT
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Extorris didnt get in on page 1???
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Posted: 5/19/2016 10:37:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Extorris didnt get in on page 1???  |
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Posted: 5/19/2016 10:37:27 PM EDT
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Extorris didnt get in on page 1??? http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1869355_NYPD_gun_down_knife_wielding_man_who_attacked_woman_in_Midtown |
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Posted: 5/19/2016 10:39:36 PM EDT
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This is silly shit. Service handgun calibers all pretty perform the same when using quality ammo. It. Was. A. Heavy. Coat.
I've been shot with a .45ACP and I carry 9mm. |
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Posted: 5/19/2016 10:40:32 PM EDT
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So my Carhartt jackets are 44.4% bulletproof? If I wear 2, 88.8%!!!!! Wear 3 and you will be unstoppable! 
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Posted: 5/19/2016 10:40:36 PM EDT
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So my Carhartt jackets are 44.4% bulletproof? If I wear 2, 88.8%!!!!! Wear 3 then! 133.2% bulletproof! 
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Posted: 5/19/2016 10:42:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy shit! Carhartt make camouflage? LOL Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Carhartt makes some good shit right here in dearborn MI Buddy got nailed by a deer slug during gun season in Ohio. It went through his forearm (carrying at port arms) and nailed him right in the stomach. Carhartt overalls stopped it and saved his ass. Holy shit! Carhartt make camouflage? LOL I know right. He still looked like he got kicked in the stomach by a horse. But he lived to tell the tale. And I've always thought the same about cammy' Carhartt's.
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Posted: 5/19/2016 10:49:09 PM EDT
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I had to read that stupid fucking article twice because I could not believe what I was reading.
First reaction is to check the guns to see if they are defective? Are you fucking serious? Check the guns but it MIGHT be the ammo? Unbelievable. Most likely they were pass through bullets lodged on the other side or NY marksmanship ricochets that were stopped after expending energy and trying to come in sideways. Stupid article is stupid. |
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Posted: 5/19/2016 10:51:24 PM EDT
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So my Carhartt jackets are 44.4% bulletproof? If I wear 2, 88.8%!!!!! Actually it might even be higher. The bullet velocity will be mucho lower after going through the first jacket. |
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Posted: 5/19/2016 10:55:54 PM EDT
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Wear 3 then! 133.2% bulletproof! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So my Carhartt jackets are 44.4% bulletproof? If I wear 2, 88.8%!!!!! Wear 3 then! 133.2% bulletproof! At that point, the bullets will ricochet back towards the shooter
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Posted: 5/19/2016 10:56:20 PM EDT
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They must have been using old 9mm rounds from the early 1990s before technology made them as affective as the .40!!!!! Lmao
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Posted: 5/19/2016 11:02:30 PM EDT
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One incident. I wouldn't change the kit of an entire police force as big as NYC over it.
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Posted: 5/19/2016 11:02:46 PM EDT
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.45 > 9mm It's physically larger, alright. Real world performance shows that there's approximately zero difference between the two when loaded with modern hollow points. |
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Posted: 5/19/2016 11:07:26 PM EDT
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One incident. I wouldn't change the kit of an entire police force as big as NYC over it. Well the FBI did just that way back when. Miami shootout. Now they changed their mind. They were right back then too. 10mm is the best mm
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Posted: 5/19/2016 11:08:05 PM EDT
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This is what I thought of too but I'm pretty sure they pulled the first generation. Would be curious if this was the current generation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wonder if they are using the Gold Dots G2. That failed quite a few expansion test before it was modified with deeper skives. This is what I thought of too but I'm pretty sure they pulled the first generation. Would be curious if this was the current generation. Lack of expansion would increase penetration, not decrease it. I would guess these bullets hit the ground or another object on their way to the target. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 5/19/2016 11:11:07 PM EDT
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Time to buy Carhart stock.
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Posted: 5/19/2016 11:11:59 PM EDT
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Carhartt makes some good coats.
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Posted: 5/19/2016 11:24:54 PM EDT
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It's physically larger, alright. Real world performance shows that there's approximately zero difference between the two when loaded with modern hollow points. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.45 > 9mm It's physically larger, alright. Real world performance shows that there's approximately zero difference between the two when loaded with modern hollow points. Real world performance like 4 of 9 bullets failing to penetrate a perp's jacket in the real world? Lol. |
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Posted: 5/19/2016 11:25:25 PM EDT
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Some Carhart cold weather gear is thick as fuck. Thicker that denim. I would like to see some ballistics tests on the Carhart "duck" material that they use on their thick coveralls and coats. Same testing criteria they do with the FBI denim tests and ballistics gel, just with Carhart.
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Posted: 5/19/2016 11:27:15 PM EDT
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From the article: “When we fire our weapons we want to make damn sure that our bullets hit our target – neutralizing our target.” LOL. NYPD hitting its target. That's funny. |
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Posted: 5/19/2016 11:29:02 PM EDT
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Holy shit! Carhartt make camouflage? LOL Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Carhartt makes some good shit right here in dearborn MI Buddy got nailed by a deer slug during gun season in Ohio. It went through his forearm (carrying at port arms) and nailed him right in the stomach. Carhartt overalls stopped it and saved his ass. Holy shit! Carhartt make camouflage? LOL 
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Posted: 5/19/2016 11:31:19 PM EDT
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Carhartt makes some good shit right here in dearborn MI halal carhartt yep, fuckem. they can keep their sharia clothing. |
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Posted: 5/19/2016 11:31:36 PM EDT
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This is what I thought of too but I'm pretty sure they pulled the first generation. Would be curious if this was the current generation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wonder if they are using the Gold Dots G2. That failed quite a few expansion test before it was modified with deeper skives. This is what I thought of too but I'm pretty sure they pulled the first generation. Would be curious if this was the current generation. If it failed to expand wouldn't it penetrate further acting like ball? Oh and ps 10mm is best mm |
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Posted: 5/19/2016 11:33:50 PM EDT
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They need Black Talons.
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Posted: 5/19/2016 11:34:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They need Black Talons. Federal HST |
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Posted: 5/19/2016 11:35:12 PM EDT
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I'm going with rounds skipped off the ground and into the bad guy for 600, Alex.
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Posted: 5/19/2016 11:38:36 PM EDT
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I wear Carhartt pants and a heavy Carhartt jacket on colder days, I had no idea I owned soft body armor.
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Posted: 5/19/2016 11:40:20 PM EDT
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So...Carhart jackets are now illegal in New York. This. And now the California state legislature will have rush to add banning them on their new ammo and assault weapon restrictions too, all in the name of preventing terrorism. |
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Posted: 5/19/2016 11:41:23 PM EDT
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Carhart Kevlar
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Posted: 5/19/2016 11:42:25 PM EDT
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Do the cops carry Glocks, because Glocks do that, you know!
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Posted: 5/19/2016 11:51:47 PM EDT
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They must have been using old 9mm rounds from the early 1990s before technology made them as affective as the .40!!!!! Lmao 
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Posted: 5/19/2016 11:55:17 PM EDT
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.45 > 9mm Ask me how I know you two don't have an understanding of what makes bullet a good penetrator? |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:03:32 AM EDT
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Holy shit! Carhartt make camouflage? LOL Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Carhartt makes some good shit right here in dearborn MI Buddy got nailed by a deer slug during gun season in Ohio. It went through his forearm (carrying at port arms) and nailed him right in the stomach. Carhartt overalls stopped it and saved his ass. Holy shit! Carhartt make camouflage? LOL I never understood why somebody would wear clothing that looks like a deer hide during deer season. I'm assuming it was the light brown version? Lots of idiots out there who don't take the time to identify a target. Oh, and 9MM for the win. Being NYPD I'm guessing all of their rounds hit the ground or a wall first and then hit the perp. We know damn well they weren't center mass hits. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:05:58 AM EDT
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Carhartt makes some good shit right here in dearborn MI Buddy got nailed by a deer slug during gun season in Ohio. It went through his forearm (carrying at port arms) and nailed him right in the stomach. Carhartt overalls stopped it and saved his ass. Holy shit! Carhartt make camouflage? LOL http://d2ydh70d4b5xgv.cloudfront.net/images/9/3/mens-carhartt-camouflage-insulated-jumpsuit-d0dbf114780c55add76bfcf6bd0337a7.jpg Well I'll be damned. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:15:54 AM EDT
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It's physically larger, alright. Real world performance shows that there's approximately zero difference between the two when loaded with modern hollow points. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.45 > 9mm It's physically larger, alright. Real world performance shows that there's approximately zero difference between the two when loaded with modern hollow points. Or ancient FMJ. 
People have been latching hard onto this "with modern hollowpoints" jazz way too literally. With FMJ they both suck. With HST they both suck a little less. I'll concede there was a brief time when the .45 had the edge; I don't think there was a 9mm load as reliable as the Speer 200gr .45 loading when it came out. Before that it was pretty much moot, and has been again for the last 25 years. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:16:25 AM EDT
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Silvertips?
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:18:49 AM EDT
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Needs more 5.7mm loaded with black talons.
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:25:38 AM EDT
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How are they checking this ammo? Shooting more jackets?
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:26:59 AM EDT
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From the article: Four of the shots that cops fired at a madman waving a knife in Midtown failed to penetrate his jacket — which was not bullet-proof — and the NYPD will now check the weapons for malfunction, law enforcement sources told The Post. “The bullets we have may be defective and that’s very disturbing,” one source said. “When we fire our weapons we want to make damn sure that our bullets hit our target – neutralizing our target.” A sergeant and an officer fired a total of nine rounds at 46-year-old Garry Conrad Wednesday, with one of the shots killing the depressed Broadway stagehand who refused to drop the blade at West 49th Street and Eighth Avenue. Four of the bullets got lodged in Conrad’s Carhartt jacket, sources said, adding that he was not wearing bulletproof vest. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:28:46 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:29:31 AM EDT
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Trudi: Do bullets go bad? Harris: No, it's not like milk. They don't have expiration date or anything. - L.A. Story |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:35:02 AM EDT
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my question...
if a load was so underpowered to have done this... would it have enough zip on the load to work the action of the pistol? |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:40:02 AM EDT
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They use Speer Gold Dot 124gr +p Awesome, maybe those will be easier to find now that everyone knows they can't penetrate a jacket .
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:48:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhat's the story behind that one? She is very very not guilty. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:52:03 AM EDT
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What's the story behind that one? She is very very not guilty. Quote HistoryQuoted:
What's the story behind that one? She is very very not guilty. Yeah, but she has a 9mm in her leg. Likely won't be able to put out or make a sammich for several hours. |
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