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Posted: 11/27/2014 11:12:52 AM EDT
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His argument is probably based on retractable vs. protruding. Either way, NY politicians will hammer him because it makes it easy to "handle the rifle". BTW, I don't have time warner so I couldn't view or open the video.
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Think of it this way: in simplistic terms, "no grip" makes it legal, then installing one makes it illegal....right?
Well from what I'm seeing that's the case here; "no grip" with it retracted, and has one when ready for use...Just how dumb do you think the Jurors at the Trial will be? Besides, that MSR shown is already illegal under un-SAFE (unless it was registered before the deadline, and legal before then) |
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Step #1 in being taken seriously: Remove any 19th century styled facial hair.
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Can't watch the video... does it auto-retract with a spring or something?
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Can't watch the video... does it auto-retract with a spring or something? View Quote No, I don't think so. It looks like shit and does, indeed, "protrude conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon" unless it is collapsed. I can't see how anyone could interperet it as NY safe-act legal unless you are a total dumbass. And yeah, as someone above pointed out, the dudes weird beard is creepy as fuck. |
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Quoted: Step #1 in being taken seriously: Remove any 19th century styled facial hair. View Quote Regardless, I would run from this invention as fast as I could. I agree with another poster here that no jury is going to acquit on what is obviously a protruding grip when extended. |
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Ahem... I would like to point out that a "pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously" but NOT BELOW the action is legal.
Like when the pistol grip is below the barrel, not the action. As in a bull pup like the AUG or Tavor. The FS 2000 has a thumbhole stock. Anyone selling a Tavor without a flash hider? |
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didn't watch the video, but the still pic that it shows as a place holder looks ugly, and the 30 round mag is illegal too unless internally blocked.
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Quoted: Ahem... I would like to point out that a "pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously" but NOT BELOW the action is legal. Like when the pistol grip is below the barrel, not the action. As in a bull pup like the AUG or Tavor. The FS 2000 has a thumbhole stock. Anyone selling a Tavor without a flash hider? View Quote I'd had the same thought after playing around with a buddy's Tavor in Ohio last month.
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Quoted: No, I don't think so. It looks like shit and does, indeed, "protrude conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon" unless it is collapsed. I can't see how anyone could interperet it as NY safe-act legal unless you are a total dumbass. And yeah, as someone above pointed out, the dudes weird beard is creepy as fuck. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Can't watch the video... does it auto-retract with a spring or something? No, I don't think so. It looks like shit and does, indeed, "protrude conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon" unless it is collapsed. I can't see how anyone could interperet it as NY safe-act legal unless you are a total dumbass. And yeah, as someone above pointed out, the dudes weird beard is creepy as fuck. This. And even if it did auto-retract, I think that it'd still be illegal. If it ever protrudes, it's a problem.
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Ahem... I would like to point out that a "pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously" but NOT BELOW the action is legal. Like when the pistol grip is below the barrel, not the action. As in a bull pup like the AUG or Tavor. The FS 2000 has a thumbhole stock. Anyone selling a Tavor without a flash hider? Vector has a pistol grip above the action... http://i.imgur.com/reQghRe.png BUT the "spirit of the law" says it's evil. |
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View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Ahem... I would like to point out that a "pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously" but NOT BELOW the action is legal. Like when the pistol grip is below the barrel, not the action. As in a bull pup like the AUG or Tavor. The FS 2000 has a thumbhole stock. Anyone selling a Tavor without a flash hider? Vector has a pistol grip above the action... http://i.imgur.com/reQghRe.png I'm intrigued. |
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Ahem... I would like to point out that a "pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously" but NOT BELOW the action is legal. Like when the pistol grip is below the barrel, not the action. As in a bull pup like the AUG or Tavor. The FS 2000 has a thumbhole stock. Anyone selling a Tavor without a flash hider? Vector has a pistol grip above the action... http://i.imgur.com/reQghRe.png I'm intrigued. Isn't the fore-grip a no-no, though? |
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I like your direction but I don't see that one working. Action and receiver are synonymous to a jury.
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Quoted: I like your direction but I don't see that one working. Action and receiver are synonymous to a jury. View Quote The Vector? The PG is not conspicuous. I shot a full auto one in Montana in July and it was sweet. That recoil reduction system really does eliminate muzzle rise. On the video of me shooting it, you can see the gun pushing back a little, but the muzzle stays level.
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I like your direction but I don't see that one working. Action and receiver are synonymous to a jury. View Quote I doubt they know what a receiver is, and, at any rate, words in law have meaning that cannot be discounted. The clever little legislative aids who wrote this shit for their socialist fuck masters said "bellow" the action, so they must have meant below, not behind or in front of, or above or under the barrel. Someone with a Tavor is innocent until proven guilty, and I don't think they would be. Prince Andy does not want more bad publicity. NRA , are ya listening? IMI? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ahem... I would like to point out that a "pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously" but NOT BELOW the action is legal. Like when the pistol grip is below the barrel, not the action. As in a bull pup like the AUG or Tavor. The FS 2000 has a thumbhole stock. Anyone selling a Tavor without a flash hider? Vector has a pistol grip above the action... http://i.imgur.com/reQghRe.png I'm intrigued. Isn't the fore-grip a no-no, though? Yes. Looks to be easily removed. |
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NRA , are ya listening? IMI? View Quote No, they aren't, but NYSRPA is and will add the tid-bit to the soup pot. The NRA has it's hands full with Washington, and as many have said "NY is a lost cause" but that in itself shouldn't stop us from continuing the fight....Sending your annual membership dues in, then kicking back to let others do it for you will not accomplish the mission. |
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Ahem... I would like to point out that a "pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously" but NOT BELOW the action is legal. Like when the pistol grip is below the barrel, not the action. As in a bull pup like the AUG or Tavor. The FS 2000 has a thumbhole stock. Anyone selling a Tavor without a flash hider? Vector has a pistol grip above the action... http://i.imgur.com/reQghRe.png I'm intrigued. Isn't the fore-grip a no-no, though? Yes. Looks to be easily removed. How's it shoot without the foregrip then? Can't figure you'd get a good hold on it up front without it. |
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You grab the front of the receiver. The one I shot had no fire grip.
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No, they aren't, but NYSRPA is and will add the tid-bit to the soup pot. The NRA has it's hands full with Washington, and as many have said "NY is a lost cause" but that in itself shouldn't stop us from continuing the fight....Sending your annual membership dues in, then kicking back to let others do it for you will not accomplish the mission. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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NRA , are ya listening? IMI? No, they aren't, but NYSRPA is and will add the tid-bit to the soup pot. The NRA has it's hands full with Washington, and as many have said "NY is a lost cause" but that in itself shouldn't stop us from continuing the fight....Sending your annual membership dues in, then kicking back to let others do it for you will not accomplish the mission. Thank heaven for NYSRPA. Time to send in another donation. |
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Frankly the AR style stock is better labelled "adjustable" rather than collapsible. Collapses has the implication its not useable when collapsed, when in reality an AR style stock is useable and really only traverses back and forth a few inches - say if you were wearing different layers of clothing in different seasons you would find in NY.
So is an adjustable stock for Ooverall length justifyable - seems logical, but logic goes out the window with the safe act. |
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Frankly the AR style stock is better labelled "adjustable" rather than collapsible. Collapses has the implication its not useable when collapsed, when in reality an AR style stock is useable and really only traverses back and forth a few inches - say if you were wearing different layers of clothing in different seasons you would find in NY. So is an adjustable stock for Ooverall length justifyable - seems logical, but logic goes out the window with the safe act. View Quote It's a law written by the uneducated (on the issue) for the willfully ignorant. We don't count, remember "there is no place in NY for them" |
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Looks like the magwell is designed to be used as a grip. See the little lip towards the bottom on the front. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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How's it shoot without the foregrip then? Can't figure you'd get a good hold on it up front without it. Looks like the magwell is designed to be used as a grip. See the little lip towards the bottom on the front. Yep, I see it now. Interesting. |
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Ahem... I would like to point out that a "pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously" but NOT BELOW the action is legal. Like when the pistol grip is below the barrel, not the action. As in a bull pup like the AUG or Tavor. The FS 2000 has a thumbhole stock. Anyone selling a Tavor without a flash hider? Vector has a pistol grip above the action... http://i.imgur.com/reQghRe.png I like it. I don't think that has a pistol grip at all; it's more of a 'spade grip'. Like this: The M2HB doesn't have pistol grips. Those are considered spade grips. Hopefully we just stumbled onto the UNSAFE Loophole. |
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Quoted: I like it. I don't think that has a pistol grip at all; it's more of a 'spade grip'. Like this: http://www.gunlistings.org/uploads/3_misc_m2hb_for_sale_semiauto_60687.jpg The M2HB doesn't have pistol grips. Those are considered spade grips. Hopefully we just stumbled onto the UNSAFE Loophole. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ahem... I would like to point out that a "pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously" but NOT BELOW the action is legal. Like when the pistol grip is below the barrel, not the action. As in a bull pup like the AUG or Tavor. The FS 2000 has a thumbhole stock. Anyone selling a Tavor without a flash hider? Vector has a pistol grip above the action... http://i.imgur.com/reQghRe.png I like it. I don't think that has a pistol grip at all; it's more of a 'spade grip'. Like this: http://www.gunlistings.org/uploads/3_misc_m2hb_for_sale_semiauto_60687.jpg The M2HB doesn't have pistol grips. Those are considered spade grips. Hopefully we just stumbled onto the UNSAFE Loophole. If that thing in your picture is a loophole, I'm in! |
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