This gun show always seems to bring on confusion.   There is a gun show this weekend however, it is not the SAXET Show.  It's the one that was on the south side a few months ago.   I think it's called the Lone Star Show but not sure.   It is going to be held in the old Crockett Center which was in the old Sams store on North Lamar after moving from the old Best store on 290.   The location is now called the North Austin Event Center.  See y'all this weekend.

From the promoter's website:

VENDOR NOTICE-AUSTIN SHOW ONLY:
At the direction of the Austin Police Department and the
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms,
ONLY LICENSED FFL DEALERS
will be allowed to set up and sell firearms
at the N. Austin Show Location.

This means that if you want to take a firearm to the show to sell you can ONLY sell it to a FFL holder, not another customer. I have heard that this decision has caused a massive pull out of vendors, FFL holders included.

SR

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Then I got this one:



Since when did ATF have any kind of say in whether private party sales were allowed in the State of Texas?  Last I checked, they had fuck all to do with our State laws.

And for that matter, is APD just making shit up as it goes or is there some zoning issue I'm not aware of?  I can't believe that there would be a city ordinance that made it illegal to sell a firearm to some by private sale but who knows, these days?

OR, is this just the gun show promoter pulling shenanigans for whatever twisted reason?

OR is this all just bullshit?

IF this is true, I'm tempted to go and sell a lower to someone for exactly what it cost me, just to give the middle finger to both agencies.

ONLY LICENSED FFL DEALERS
will be allowed to set up and sell firearms

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Hmmmm...

Does that mean that a non-FFL can sell so long as they don't set up a table?

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emphasis added

The way I read that is that the selling firearms from tables at the show will be restricted to FFL holders.  ie No "private party" or "no paperwork" sales from the tables.  I don't think it will effect face-to-face walk around sales from non table holders.

I may be wrong.  Texas Gun Shows lists contact information on their website, why not ask them what that policy covers?

Joat

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This post reminds me, I was at market hall last weekend and one of the dealers had a sign on a an AR15 that said " per ATF, must be 21 to buy".
I thought the law was 18 for rifles and shotguns?
Im in my 40's so it doesn't affect me but still, don't seem right.

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Hmmmm...

Does that mean that a non-FFL can sell so long as they don't set up a table?

This to clear up some confussion from our email sent out earlier.
Guns can still come in, but all private transactions must go through a FFL dealer at the show.  This is so that the gun can be logged in and a backround check can be done on the buyer, be it another vendor or public. This applies only to guns.  Gun accessories and all other items can be sold at the show with no problem.  This is something new for us so we are trying very hard to iron out all the aspects of what is required. We will have a flyer to hand out to the public to explain the ATF requirements.  We have already received some great feed back from our vendors, so if you have any suggestions, please let us know.
Thanks,
Texas Gun Shows

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this email I received may answer your question:


this decision doesn't affect me as I don't do this show. well, I did it once but I'm certainly not a regular exhibitor.

and I guess even if I did regularly attend it doesn't affect me anyway.

I'm curious to see what happens this weekend. I'm sure someone here will post a report tomorrow.

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I expect it to be a ghost town.

And the part in red is bullshit.  That's NOT the law.  The ATF is just making shit up as it goes if they really are doing this.

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And the part in red is bullshit.  That's NOT the law.  The ATF is just making shit up as it goes if they really are doing this.[/div]

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This post reminds me, I was at market hall last weekend and one of the dealers had a sign on a an AR15 that said " per ATF, must be 21 to buy".
I thought the law was 18 for rifles and shotguns?
Im in my 40's so it doesn't affect me but still, don't seem right.

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The show is bending over backward for the Austin PD in the name and happiness of the ATF.  

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This has APD or BATFE written on it to me.  No promoter would intentionally make it hard to sell their product.

Austin folks need to call the APD or the local BATFE office and axe some questions.

As per the post above ^^^ the  "ATF" is requiring all sales go through an FFL .  

Not sure who gave the BATFE jurisdiction to control local ordinances but if there is not an Austin Ordinance prohibiting gun sales and as we all know its legal by federal laws then we must conclude they are pushing this promoter around.

Q: To whom may an unlicensed person transfer firearms under the GCA?
A person may sell a firearm to an unlicensed resident of his State, if he does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law. A person may loan or rent a firearm to a resident of any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes, if he does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law. A person may sell or transfer a firearm to a licensee in any State. However, a firearm other than a curio or relic may not be transferred interstate to a licensed collector.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(d), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30]


Q: From whom may an unlicensed person acquire a firearm under the GCA?
A person may only acquire a firearm within the person’s own State, except that he or she may purchase or otherwise acquire a rifle or shotgun, in person, at a licensee’s premises in any State, provided the sale complies with State laws applicable in the State of sale and the State where the purchaser resides. A person may borrow or rent a firearm in any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(b)(3), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30]

Q: What record-keeping procedures should be followed when two private individuals want to engage in a firearms transaction?
When a transaction takes place between private (unlicensed) persons who reside in the same State, the Gun Control Act (GCA) does not require any record keeping. A private person may sell a firearm to another private individual in his or her State of residence and, similarly, a private individual may buy a firearm from another private person who resides in the same State. It is not necessary under Federal law for a Federal firearms licensee (FFL) to assist in the sale or transfer when the buyer and seller are “same-State” residents. Of course, the transferor/seller may not knowingly transfer a firearm to someone who falls within any of the categories of prohibited persons contained in the GCA. See 18 U.S.C. §§ 922(g) and (n). However, as stated above, there are no GCA-required records to be completed by either party to the transfer.

There may be State or local laws or regulations that govern this type of transaction. Contact State Police units or the office of your State Attorney General for information on any such requirements.

Please note that if a private person wants to obtain a firearm from a private person who resides in another State, the firearm will have to be shipped to an FFL in the buyer’s State. The FFL will be responsible for record keeping. See also Question B3.

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Vote with your feet.

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Why only at the Austin show?
Sounds to me like a City of Austin thing.  If Austin banned privet sales at gun shows the BATF would go along with it

The promoter should spell out why APD has so ordered this.  And look for a new venue out side of the city limits.

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Sounds like the NRA, SAS, or GOA needs to get wind of this.  Anybody have connections to the folks at HQs?

Their "policy" is total BS, and I'd like to see them try to enforce it.  2nd Amendment rights are just as important as 1st Amendment rights.

No way this would happen in Houston or Pasadena, but Saxet doesn't show here.

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i believe some of the big dogs at the Texas State Rifle Association do read ARFCOM.  im sure someone has already alerted Dan Walker, he is the big cheese over there and a former DPS Trooper.  like i said, it will be interesting to see how that gun show is this weekend, and if it will continue to exist with these rules in effect.

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Why only at the Austin show?
Sounds to me like a City of Austin thing.  If Austin banned privet sales at gun shows the BATF would go along with it

The promoter should spell out why APD has so ordered this.  And look for a new venue out side of the city limits.